People will be pissed because he was not great at head coach. I?d argue he got put into an impossible spot.
Regardless - fantastic DC.
Great hire
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People will be pissed because he was not great at head coach. I?d argue he got put into an impossible spot.
Regardless - fantastic DC.
Great hire
Yep, I am not mad about the hire at all.
Buy him some dudes out of the portal and let him coach.
Yes sir
He may be, but bringing him back to work under the guy who replaced him and has arguably not performed than what it took for Arnett to get fired, seems like a recipe for disaster.
I'm with yall!! I was very surprised, but not the least bit disappointed. I'm separating the Arnette DC from the Arnette HC. Polar opposites.
Yep. Only our idiot fanbase would split on this hire and decide yet again not to pull the rope in the same direction. Ole Miss fans got the memo and rallied around a Pete Golding panic hire as head freaking coach, and we can't rally around a solid DC hire? Always our own worst enemy.
And we wonder why they are a media darling and PR machine
I really don't think there is a single P5 fanbase that would "rally around" bringing back a head coach they fired 2 years ago as a coordinator, no matter what his reputation as a coordinator was. It's just a bit uncomfortable all around.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Add in the booster wars over Arnett and his mental health questions, and it just screams a bad hire.
Yes this is a fantastic hire.
He?s great.
Forget about what happened.
He can coach defense. Not even a question.
Right now we have
1) great OC - Lebby
2) great DC - Arnett
Lebby now just needs a little assistance in game mgt and we are good, coaching wise. We still need players.
You don't think Arnett is self aware of the situation if he's literally taking the DC position?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Seems to me like he knows where he is most comfortable. Also if we do well he ain't going to be trying to leave at the first chance
We go from freaking Coleman "I've never called a defense at any level in my life" Hutzler who's defenses ranked 2024-126th and 2025-104th to Zach Arnett who's defenses ranked 2018-32nd, 2019-2nd, 2020-52nd, 2021-29th, and 2022-35th, yet our fanbase bitches about it.
This is fact. This is why Ole Miss is seen as a much bigger program nationally than State. It's all sunshine, unicorns, and rainbows coming out of that place. Everything they do is absolutely fantastic and better than what everyone else does. We suck at pulling together and putting out a unified message.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
HaQuote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
Yes
We can't have nice things.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
He?s also a great play caller on D.
Things a home run.
The man destroyed the program. How can you not be upset at this hire?
He didn?t destroy the program.
That is nonsense.
You?ll be thrilled when we are top half the SEC in defense.
You are welcome
No, whoever hired him destroyed the program. Arnett was damn good at his job, or he wouldn't have got the HC job. I forgive our DA decision makers though bc it was a totally unprecedented situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Deep down MSU fans don't like this and they're trying to get to a point where they're coping.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Let's see here we have:
1. We had no choice had to hire Arnett. (Sounds familiar doesn't it?)
2. The DC Arnett wasn't the lying POS that the head coach Arnett was.
3. When his defense failed it was Leach's fault.
4. When he couldn't recruit it was Emerick and Dudek's fault.
5. Hey! Haven't you made bad mistakes in your life like backstab your co-workers and lie to everyone about what you were going to do so that you could keep the team together? (I have not for full disclosure)
6. 2023's defense doesn't count.
7. Maybe it will work. (We all know how this turns out)
So Lebby isn't a dumbass now? Glad you got on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He only lost the complete respect of the team. On both sides of the ball. I'd definitely say he played a part.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
You weren't this angry about Hutzler. Think about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Dude, you really are wrong here and need to get out of your feelings. Majority of our fans actually like this hire. You're in the minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Not gonna lie, I read this, started laughing as I poured some vodka and tonic in combo with some limes and a splash of cran!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Agreed. The guy sucked as a HC but it's not his fault the administration asked him "Hey wanna be HC and make millions regardless if you win or lose?"Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No coach with any sense of pride says no to that. He was willing to take on an impossible situation and paid the price. But our higher ups made the decision and ruined the program.
With that being said, Arnett made decisions and did things that didn't help the situation. At the same time, you're suppose to have people in place to control those situations from a PR standpoint. I mean Ole Miss got Kiffin a damn dog and his own Twitter account to change public perception.
At least Hutzler is a respectable human being. I was always wait and see on Hutzler and had questions about his experience as a DC. And I'm not upset that he is gone. I'm upset at who MSU got to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Who was the worst DC and worst hire made by MSU football ever. Just a total embarrassment as a DC and hire. I almost got physically ill when Hutzler was announced. The dude's first time to call a freaking defense was in the SEC! Totally unacceptable for a major program. That hire was Troy, South Alabama, USM level.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
This hire is so bad that most fans haven't even noticed that Corey Bell is staying.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
He was pretty good, with talent, which we don't have right now. Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Did this guy beat your ass or something? This is absurd. The slandering of him as a human being is just weird manQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Pour one for me my friend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
That worries me way more than Arnett man. I really don't understand why he wasn't let go right after the Egg Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I enjoy winning football games and his actions greatly affected that. So I guess that falls into the category of "something".Quote:
Originally Posted by bigplayslay
Slander is when it isn't true by the way.
So you know Zach personally then? Enlighten meQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We need to pin this thread
And revisit when 2026 defense ratings are final.
I know I am right.
How so? We hired him. If he's the savior you think he is, then it doesn't matter what fans say.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Good question. I think our recruiting staff is now worse than the first time Arnett was here. McBath was a good recruiter. Brock was meh as a recruiter. Phelps was better than burned out David Turner. We'll see who replacesQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
Turner though.
We didn't improve in this area and that's another major concern.
Savior is a little extreme. I guess if the bar is our DC the last 2 seasons, maybe your rhetoric isn't extremeQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
The question is did we hire the best DC we could have and we didn't. That is regardless of the rankings next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
I don't remember many studs on defense under Arnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Forbes and Young come to mind. But we wasn't loaded with talent under him.
Which goes back to his lack of recruiting but also shows he can do it with less talent. If he has learned to recruit then that's even better. Actually don't even worry about recruiting... just pay them.