Potential OCs

Look it is very obvious that Lebby needs to cede play calling duties. Even the greatest offensive minds in today?s game have OCs. Lebby needs to focus on being the HC. Do I think he will cede play calling? Yes. I think if the right person was interested he would cede play calling duties.

1. Kendall Briles-This one is obvious. Things have started to grow a little stale in Ft Worth. His wife does not like Starkville, but I think Lebby being here and being around family might make things a little more attractive to them. He knows this offense forwards and backwards and he is a hell of a play caller. He also called plays for KJ Jefferson at Arkansas, so he knows how to call a game for a big physical QB.

2. Phillip Montgomery-was with Lebby, Briles, and co. at Baylor and was with Art before that at Houston. He also is an experienced HC that Lebby could bounce things off. He also could be considered for an analyst role even if we went with another OC.

3. Kevin Decker-currently the OC at Old Dominion so it would be an easy pull. Studied this offense with Heupel in 2020 after the FCS season was postponed, he was at Fordham. They average over 450 yds a game and he knows how to utilize the QB in the run game. He also could bring his QB with him in case Kamario?s game goes to hell.

4. GJ Kinne- The trend of HCs leaving to become OCs is a thing and if he lit the world on fire he could have a P4 job and be out of here in a year. Also a former HC so he could help Lebby from that standpoint. We would have to AT LEAST match 2 but hell Pete is making 2.5 at OM, I would have no problem throwing 2.5 at Kinne. He also has underperformed a bit this year so he may want a chance to reinvent his image. I would throw the offer and just see. He also has called played for a physical run first QB in TJ Finley and made him look incredible.

5. Joe Jon Finley- This is probably the easiest candidate to pull. He has called this offense with Lebby and knows it. Was also with Art and the crew at Baylor in 2015.

Offensive Analyst

1. Art Briles-Stop playing nice. 17 the media. Go win. Give the man a headset and hang 50 burgers on everyones ass.

Attracting a good OC to a coach that's 1 more losing season from being fired is gonna be tough

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Attracting a good OC to a coach that's 1 more losing season from being fired is gonna be tough

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I think Lebby buys himself 2 seasons by ceding play calling and hiring an OC. Call it a little more than a hunch.

I'd love Briles....Kendall OR Art. And I agree with the other poster...quit being sissies, and hire Art if that will make us better (not sure it will). Ole Miss hired Kiffin and Beard as HEAD coaches with their baggage....we can hire Art as an analyst or OC. What's it going to do, hurt our perception? We already have the worst in the country. F 'em all. Just win

Now do defense. We gave up 300 yards rushing to a RB for the second time in as many seasons under this goon of a DC.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'd love Briles....Kendall OR Art.

Now do defense. We gave up 300 yards rushing to a RB for the second time in as many seasons under this goon of a DC.

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If Baker is let go at LSU we need to get him or the DC with South Carolina. Either one of those is an upgrade over Hutz.

I would add Blake Anderson at USM. He has been a head coach before and I think he can add something to the offense that can make it even more diverse and better.

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I'd love Briles....Kendall OR Art. And I agree with the other poster...quit being sissies, and hire Art if that will make us better (not sure it will). Ole Miss hired Kiffin and Beard as HEAD coaches with their baggage....we can hire Art as an analyst or OC. What's it going to do, hurt our perception? We already have the worst in the country. F 'em all. Just win

Now do defense. We gave up 300 yards rushing to a RB for the second time in as many seasons under this goon of a DC.

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Hire Pete Golding.

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I'd love Briles....Kendall OR Art. And I agree with the other poster...quit being sissies, and hire Art if that will make us better (not sure it will). Ole Miss hired Kiffin and Beard as HEAD coaches with their baggage....we can hire Art as an analyst or OC. What's it going to do, hurt our perception? We already have the worst in the country. F 'em all. Just win

Now do defense. We gave up 300 yards rushing to a RB for the second time in as many seasons under this goon of a DC.

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That is me. I've said it since Lebby brought him to Starkville when he moved last year. Oh no, clutch our pearls, the media will write negative articles about Mississippi State. **** them all straight in the ass because when have they ever written a positive piece about State outside of Leach's death?

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That is me. I've said it since Lebby brought him to Starkville when he moved last year. Oh no, clutch our pearls, the media will write negative articles about Mississippi State. **** them all straight in the ass because when have they ever written a positive piece about State outside of Leach's death?

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Agree.

We always say you can't keep a coach just because he's a "good guy", it's about wins and losses not how good of a person they are. Well the same should be true for the opposite....can't NOT hire a guy just bc he may have baggage or a questionable past. If he can answer for it, own it, and show he's past it, and more importantly HELP US WIN....that is the job we are hiring someone to do

And I'm not saying Art can...but if it's the one bullet Lebby has left in his arsenal, he's getting canned after next year anyway most likely, so might as well fire it

The question is if it is obvious to Lebby he needs an OC?

Joe Judge - don't shoot me here, but does it help for our NIL with any boosters if he moves over to MSU in any capacity. I have no information but curious. At the very least I bet our special teams would improve.
That said, on your OP, sounds like that would give us some much needed boost.

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Joe Judge - don't shoot me here, but does it help for our NIL with any boosters if he moves over to MSU in any capacity. I have no information but curious.

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We know he could coach special teams at the very least. I want him to get a head coaching job somewhere to see what he can actually do and if he can recruit. Because if he can he becomes a legit future head coaching candidate. And if he can't well we don't get to find out first hand.

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The question is if it is obvious to Lebby he needs an OC?

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I think Selmon has to float the idea to him.

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Joe Judge - don't shoot me here, but does it help for our NIL with any boosters if he moves over to MSU in any capacity. I have no information but curious. At the very least I bet our special teams would improve.
That said, on your OP, sounds like that would give us some much needed boost.

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I have heard some stuff this morning that were Lane to leave, he would be a top candidate for that job.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

The question is if it is obvious to Lebby he needs an OC?

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I think last night taught him that. I think when he goes back and watches that film he will see that there was far too much going on in that game for him to be the HC and still be trying to call plays.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I have heard some stuff this morning that were Lane to leave, he would be a top candidate for that job.

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Assuming MSU and Joe are still good? Back when we tried to hire him we were told MSU was his dream job.

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I think last night taught him that. I think when he goes back and watches that film he will see that there was far too much going on in that game for him to be the HC and still be trying to call plays.

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I would hope the entire season taught him that. He really needs both an OC and a former experienced HC to guide him.
Pisses me off we are an SEC school, and having these discussions at the end of year 2. How does the 11th game of season 2 finally teach him anything.

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Assuming MSU and Joe are still good? Back when we tried to hire him we were told MSU was his dream job.

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I question the hire of a man with such minuscule dreams

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Agree.

We always say you can't keep a coach just because he's a "good guy", it's about wins and losses not how good of a person they are. Well the same should be true for the opposite....can't NOT hire a guy just bc he may have baggage or a questionable past. If he can answer for it, own it, and show he's past it, and more importantly HELP US WIN....that is the job we are hiring someone to do

And I'm not saying Art can...but if it's the one bullet Lebby has left in his arsenal, he's getting canned after next year anyway most likely, so might as well fire it

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Better be careful?you?ll make Robbie Faulk mad!

Art Briles is the primary reason that half our fanbase never really supported the Lebby hire in the first place and our attendance has been noticeably lower over the last couple years. Doubling down on that for Lebby's last season would be quite the choice.

If you're going the art way, make him HC, not OC

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Art Briles is the primary reason that half our fanbase never really supported the Lebby hire in the first place and our attendance has been noticeably lower over the last couple years. Doubling down on that for Lebby's last season would be quite the choice.

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So we get rid of the small minded, “Gotta Win With Class” portion of the fanbase as well? Sign me up.

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So we get rid of the small minded, ?Gotta Win With Class? portion of the fanbase as well? Sign me up.

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Meh, I think the "Gotta win with class" people are mostly fine with Briles. It's the "enabling rapists is never OK" crowd who isn't.

Think about this - EVERYONE gets a second chance. No matter how big of a scandal a coach has, no matter how many schools he's left in shambles or on probation, somebody hires him. Sexual misconduct scandal? Nobody cares. Literally leave bruises and bite marks all over your wife? Welcome to Oxford! Provide hookers to players and underage recruits? Get hired by Christian universities like Liberty, Iona, and St. John's!

Everyone gets a second chance ... except Art Briles. The man is radioactive in a way that no one else is. He couldn't get an assistant OC job in Canada. He couldn't get an assistant position at Grambling. There must some even darker secret about him that isn't widely known that prevents him from being able to work anywhere.

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Meh, I think the "Gotta win with class" people are mostly fine with Briles. It's the "enabling rapists is never OK" crowd who isn't.

Think about this - EVERYONE gets a second chance. No matter how big of a scandal a coach has, no matter how many schools he's left in shambles or on probation, somebody hires him. Sexual misconduct scandal? Nobody cares. Literally leave bruises and bite marks all over your wife? Welcome to Oxford!

Everyone gets a second chance ... except Art Briles. The man is radioactive in a way that no one else is. He couldn't get an assistant OC job in Canada. He couldn't get an assistant position at Grambling. There must some even darker secret about him that isn't widely known that prevents him from being able to work anywhere.

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I just want to win. That is the difference. I really do not care what you do off the field. Not my problem and not my issues to deal with. I am not paid to handle that. I want to see us win ON THE FIELD. What you do OFF THE FIELD does not concern me. Does that make me a bad person? Probably so. But I really do not care. It is not my job to care.

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I just want to win. That is the difference. I really do not care what you do off the field. Not my problem and not my issues to deal with. I am not paid to handle that. I want to see us win ON THE FIELD. What you do OFF THE FIELD does not concern me. Does that make me a bad person? Probably so. But I really do not care. It is not my job to care.

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I mean, I'm not going criticize you for it. I myself didn't have it in me to cancel my season tickets like a few people I know. I asked them if they would come back on board if Lebby won here, and they insisted that they would not. Of course, we'll never know at this rate. I just hope they and the rest of the people like them will come back for the next coach.

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I mean, I'm not going criticize you for it. I myself didn't have it in me to cancel my season tickets like a few people I know. I asked them if they would come back on board if Lebby won here, and they insisted that they would not. Of course, we'll never know at this rate. I just hope they and the rest of the people like them will come back for the next coach.

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And that is the difference between winning programs and us. Programs that are all in continue to support and know that the money people and the administration will make a change if one is needed. OM fans figured this out with Matt Luke. They kept giving, kept supporting, kept showing up, and the money guys made the move to cut bait. That made them an attractive job when the market opened. And they were able to point to that when interviewing Kiffin. We cannot point to that.

Our fans treat supporting the program like going to play golf. Conditions have to be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. Game time cannot be too early, Game time cannot be too late, their seats have to be in prime locations but they do not want to pay too much(or at all) for them, they will only give to NIL unless they get something in return, if the coach does not play the Mississippi kid they are not going to support, etc. Like our fans make up reasons daily why they are not supporting. Actual programs do not do that. Florida took 5K fans to Oxford and THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE A COACH. Hell they got beat 37-7 by freaking Kentucky last week. They still showed up ON THE ROAD.

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And that is the difference between winning programs and us. Programs that are all in continue to support and know that the money people and the administration will make a change if one is needed. OM fans figured this out with Matt Luke. They kept giving, kept supporting, kept showing up, and the money guys made the move to cut bait. That made them an attractive job when the market opened. And they were able to point to that when interviewing Kiffin. We cannot point to that.

Our fans treat supporting the program like going to play golf. Conditions have to be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. Game time cannot be too early, Game time cannot be too late, their seats have to be in prime locations but they do not want to pay too much(or at all) for them, they will only give to NIL unless they get something in return, if the coach does not play the Mississippi kid they are not going to support, etc. Like our fans make up reasons daily why they are not supporting. Actual programs do not do that. Florida took 5K fans to Oxford and THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE A COACH. Hell they got beat 37-7 by freaking Kentucky last week. They still showed up ON THE ROAD.

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I think it's more of a quantitative issue than a qualitative one. In addition to being the poorest fanbase in the SEC, we are one of the smallest, so any issues are magnified.

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Agree.

We always say you can't keep a coach just because he's a "good guy", it's about wins and losses not how good of a person they are. Well the same should be true for the opposite....can't NOT hire a guy just bc he may have baggage or a questionable past. If he can answer for it, own it, and show he's past it, and more importantly HELP US WIN....that is the job we are hiring someone to do

And I'm not saying Art can...but if it's the one bullet Lebby has left in his arsenal, he's getting canned after next year anyway most likely, so might as well fire it

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Yep, winning is what they're paid to do.

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I think it's more of a quantitative issue than a qualitative one. In addition to being the poorest fanbase in the SEC, we are one of the smallest, so any issues are magnified.

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The thing is we do not have to be that poor fanbase. I would imagine that out of the 40K State fans at the EB on Black Friday, 25K do not donate to NIL. If you could get those people giving $25/month, which is nothing honestly, that is an extra 7.5 mil a year. It is buy in. Not poor or small.

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So we get rid of the small minded, “Gotta Win With Class” portion of the fanbase as well? Sign me up.

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Hear, hear!

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The thing is we do not have to be that poor fanbase. I would imagine that out of the 40K State fans at the EB on Black Friday, 25K do not donate to NIL. If you could get those people giving $25/month, which is nothing honestly, that is an extra 7.5 mil a year. It is buy in. Not poor or small.

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Well said!

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And that is the difference between winning programs and us. Programs that are all in continue to support and know that the money people and the administration will make a change if one is needed. OM fans figured this out with Matt Luke. They kept giving, kept supporting, kept showing up, and the money guys made the move to cut bait. That made them an attractive job when the market opened. And they were able to point to that when interviewing Kiffin. We cannot point to that.

Our fans treat supporting the program like going to play golf. Conditions have to be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. Game time cannot be too early, Game time cannot be too late, their seats have to be in prime locations but they do not want to pay too much(or at all) for them, they will only give to NIL unless they get something in return, if the coach does not play the Mississippi kid they are not going to support, etc. Like our fans make up reasons daily why they are not supporting. Actual programs do not do that. Florida took 5K fans to Oxford and THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE A COACH. Hell they got beat 37-7 by freaking Kentucky last week. They still showed up ON THE ROAD.

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Well stated, but sadly our people will always find a reason to justify their lack of support.

I don't really see how people can simultaneously say you can't criticize Lebby unless you can personally fund his buyout, and then also criticize the entire fanbase for not supporting him enough.


Seems contradictory. "Want to see a change that I don't like? Fund it entirely yourself!" and "Why won't everyone else do a better job of funding the changes I do want??"

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And that is the difference between winning programs and us. Programs that are all in continue to support and know that the money people and the administration will make a change if one is needed. OM fans figured this out with Matt Luke. They kept giving, kept supporting, kept showing up, and the money guys made the move to cut bait. That made them an attractive job when the market opened. And they were able to point to that when interviewing Kiffin. We cannot point to that.

Our fans treat supporting the program like going to play golf. Conditions have to be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. Game time cannot be too early, Game time cannot be too late, their seats have to be in prime locations but they do not want to pay too much(or at all) for them, they will only give to NIL unless they get something in return, if the coach does not play the Mississippi kid they are not going to support, etc. Like our fans make up reasons daily why they are not supporting. Actual programs do not do that. Florida took 5K fans to Oxford and THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE A COACH. Hell they got beat 37-7 by freaking Kentucky last week. They still showed up ON THE ROAD.

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"our fans" - that is not the majority of our fans. Most want to win and win bad.

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I don't really see how people can simultaneously say you can't criticize Lebby unless you can personally fund his buyout, and then also criticize the entire fanbase for not supporting him enough.


Seems contradictory. "Want to see a change that I don't like? Fund it entirely yourself!" and "Why won't everyone else do a better job of funding the changes I do want??"

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I do not want any changes. I want our fans to continue to support even more than they currently are. Hell I actually upped my giving last night. We finally had a little buy in and the minute adversity hit, our fans were out once again.

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"our fans" - that is not the majority of our fans. Most want to win and win bad.

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Exactly. And that's why most of our fans want to change coaches.

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"our fans" - that is not the majority of our fans. Most want to win and win bad.

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The NIL numbers, season ticket sales, and BC membership suggests differently

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The NIL numbers, season ticket sales, and BC membership suggests differently

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you grouped a fan base as a gold crowd.
I don't think that represents the majority.

For NIL. season tickets, BC club, IMO is MSU rebuilding in several areas after Cohen and BS to fans too many times.
IF anything, the MSU fans are not a cult where they buy into crap like some other schools. It is changing for the good and going a good direction now.

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Well stated, but sadly our people will always find a reason to justify their lack of support.

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Florida has sidewalk fans from generations of winning.
It is circular, we need some wins as well to own this state again.

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you grouped a fan base as a gold crowd.
I don't think that represents the majority.

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The majority are not giving. I can look at the numbers and tell you that. That is not opinion it is fact based. We have over 150K living alumni and just a shade over 50K Bulldog Club members. Of that number, about 5-10K are not active members. So I can tell you that a majority are not giving an I am correct.