Reasons many of our fans are very hesitant on changing coaches

I know older fans point to Darrel Royal...which is apples vs oranges bc it was b4 integreation.

Point 1: I know many ppl who hated to see Rocky let go but quickly warmed to JWS, esp when he won right off the bat

Point 2: Jackie should have been nudged to the retirement door after 2002. We know the division on Gene's Page over that. Even after the disaster of 2003, many fans said we can't fire him, we owe too much

Point 3: Many fans said you can't fire Croom 1 year removed from an SEC COY...but it happened.

Point 4: Evidience is there, that JoMo is prolly the worst coach MSU has ever had, at least in the last 50 years....yet, the blue hairs and fraidy cats still want to keep him and keep making the same lame excuses.
So what have yall heard

Because they are weak and afraid of believing we deserve better as a program.

It does seem like they love the coach over winning football

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

I know older fans point to Darrel Royal...which is apples vs oranges bc it was b4 integreation.

Point 1: I know many ppl who hated to see Rocky let go but quickly warmed to JWS, esp when he won right off the bat

Point 2: Jackie should have been nudged to the retirement door after 2002. We know the division on Gene's Page over that. Even after the disaster of 2003, many fans said we can't fire him, we owe too much

Point 3: Many fans said you can't fire Croom 1 year removed from an SEC COY...but it happened.

Point 4: Evidience is there, that JoMo is prolly the worst coach MSU has ever had, at least in the last 50 years....yet, the blue hairs and fraidy cats still want to keep him and keep making the same lame excuses.
So what have yall heard

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Are you are secretary?

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

I know older fans point to Darrel Royal...which is apples vs oranges bc it was b4 integreation.

Point 1: I know many ppl who hated to see Rocky let go but quickly warmed to JWS, esp when he won right off the bat

Point 2: Jackie should have been nudged to the retirement door after 2002. We know the division on Gene's Page over that. Even after the disaster of 2003, many fans said we can't fire him, we owe too much

Point 3: Many fans said you can't fire Croom 1 year removed from an SEC COY...but it happened.

Point 4: Evidience is there, that JoMo is prolly the worst coach MSU has ever had, at least in the last 50 years....yet, the blue hairs and fraidy cats still want to keep him and keep making the same lame excuses.
So what have yall heard

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I am 64 years old with no hair of any color left on top and he should have already been fired! Hail State and Save MSU FB from SloMo!

Because they are dumbasses, bottom line.

The vibe I'm getting is most think that he is at least in over his head and I haven't heard really anybody outside of a couple of posters that are trolls that think that he should be back. I've heard some fans that feel sorry for him. That's not defending him at all though.

Could that change some if we go 6-6? Maybe.

At any rate I will say that I have never seen a MSU coach that is more unpopular with the fans. I'm not sure that going 6-6 will change that. In fact I don't think it will.

MSU has a very bad habit of hanging on to coaches too long. And it just digs the hole deeper and deeper. For some reason I have a feeling that this won't happen this time. I may be wrong but we'll see.

I don't think its that. I think some people believe Moorhead will eventually get it figured out and afraid we might miss out on a very likable person that seems to do better at recruiting. I honestly still hold out hope we get to 6 wins and he returns but if we do fire him we better be damn sure we have a legit plan in place.

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Originally Posted by Dannyripms

I don't think its that. I think some people believe Moorhead will eventually get it figured out and afraid we might miss out on a very likable person that seems to do better at recruiting. I honestly still hold out hope we get to 6 wins and he returns but if we do fire him we better be damn sure we have a legit plan in place.

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I keep hearing he is better at recruiting but our class this year and last year are about par for the course. We have (for the most part) recruited teams that landed in the 20's for the past decade.

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

It does seem like they love the coach over winning football

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Hadad mentioned on T&L the other day that there was a lady on twitter posting that if MSU fired Moorhead that she would stop being a fan of MSU. How strange of a life to live that would be....

You are creating "blue hair straw men". I'm older and me and ALL of my bud's would have NEVER extended him after last year. LOL the angle some of you young-dumbs don't get is us "blue hairs" have more money and less time than a lot of you squirts and literally don't want to waste a lot of it while our athletic department struggles to get their heads out of their asses and move this numb nuts out now. Now get off my lawn. LOL

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

I know older fans point to Darrel Royal...which is apples vs oranges bc it was b4 integreation.

Point 1: I know many ppl who hated to see Rocky let go but quickly warmed to JWS, esp when he won right off the bat

Point 2: Jackie should have been nudged to the retirement door after 2002. We know the division on Gene's Page over that. Even after the disaster of 2003, many fans said we can't fire him, we owe too much

Point 3: Many fans said you can't fire Croom 1 year removed from an SEC COY...but it happened.

Point 4: Evidience is there, that JoMo is prolly the worst coach MSU has ever had, at least in the last 50 years....yet, the blue hairs and fraidy cats still want to keep him and keep making the same lame excuses.
So what have yall heard

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Because its a knee jerk, emotional message board reaction and unsustainable at this university. In this conference, if we were to attempt to hold all future coaches to a standard of being fired after one below average season we would send a signal we are not only in denial of what it takes to win at MSU, but that we are unrealistic of the expectations of what level of success is sustainable. This will severely limit who we have to choose from to replace Moorhead and any successive coach.

Get over yourselves. Cohen isnt firing him due to the probability we will win more than 4 games and most likely will win 6. Joe may very well decide to leave on his own if he finds a better fit for him.

Everyone knew we had to let Rocky go. Tech and 10 settled that.
Everyone knew Jackie couldnt succeed during a 3 year investigation and he eventually realized that.
The many fans that said you couldnt fire Croom 1 year removed from SEC COY were a vocal minority.

Your comment about Joe being the 'worst coach MSU has ever had' or even the last 15 years, let alone 50, shows you are just willfully ignorant of our past.

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

I know older fans point to Darrel Royal...which is apples vs oranges bc it was b4 integreation.

Point 1: I know many ppl who hated to see Rocky let go but quickly warmed to JWS, esp when he won right off the bat

Point 2: Jackie should have been nudged to the retirement door after 2002. We know the division on Gene's Page over that. Even after the disaster of 2003, many fans said we can't fire him, we owe too much

Point 3: Many fans said you can't fire Croom 1 year removed from an SEC COY...but it happened.

Point 4: Evidience is there, that JoMo is prolly the worst coach MSU has ever had, at least in the last 50 years....yet, the blue hairs and fraidy cats still want to keep him and keep making the same lame excuses.
So what have yall heard

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I think it's as simple as they believe potential coaches will be scared off if we only give Moorhead two years. I think that fear is misplaced, but I understand it. You certainly can scare off potential coaches by having unreasonable expectations (cough, UT, cough). I think potential coaches will be able to see that Moorhead is not getting fired for losing, but for having his team completely unprepared to play. We have a fanbase perfectly willing to believe that Dan left us in a crunch talent wise (b/c it's true), but it's a lot harder to believe Dan left us a team that minimally competent coaching can't teach to get a play off to start the game or coming out of a timeout and that can't out talent ULL or KSU or last more than a minute and a half against Auburn on the road.

That said, if Joe were to get past Ark and UM, I would share their fear and would not want to make a move without a coach all but locked down. I don't feel much differently if we go 4-8, but if we go 4-8, we just need confirmation from multiple viable candidates that they are interested and want to go through the interview process. If we go 6-6 and make a move (which I don't believe we will but some disagree), we need to have an agreement in principle with a candidate and a sworn blood oath from his agent that there is no interest in hearing counterproposals from his current employer.

Name a worse coach. Certainly not anyone since the before Tyler. Joe has had both years underperforming, last year was loaded on defense with 3 1st round picks and was not competitive against LSU, Bama, UK and UGA, not even close. He's supposed to be an offensive guru, but the offense can't pour piss out of a boot. We should have handled KSU and UT this year instead UT destroyed us. TAMU would should have been competitive but the players realize that JoMo is not a leader and have quit on him. Ark Saturday is a battle of cripples and scum is going to destroy us to my heartache. We have a 4 game losing streak going, the longest in many years, it's not that we are losing hell we aren't even in the game at all.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Because its a knee jerk, emotional message board reaction and unsustainable at this university. In this conference, if we were to attempt to hold all future coaches to a standard of being fired after one below average season we would send a signal we are not only in denial of what it takes to win at MSU, but that we are unrealistic of the expectations of what level of success is sustainable. This will severely limit who we have to choose from to replace Moorhead and any successive coach.

Get over yourselves. Cohen isnt firing him due to the probability we will win more than 4 games and most likely will win 6. Joe may very well decide to leave on his own if he finds a better fit for him.

Everyone knew we had to let Rocky go. Tech and 10 settled that.
Everyone knew Jackie couldnt succeed during a 3 year investigation and he eventually realized that.
The many fans that said you couldnt fire Croom 1 year removed from SEC COY were a vocal minority.

Your comment about Joe being the 'worst coach MSU has ever had' or even the last 15 years, let alone 50, shows you are just willfully ignorant of our past.

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If YOU don't realize how bad of a coach Moorhead is then YOU are willfully ignorant. You say one season: last season was a trainwreck. I know...we won 8 games and po' ol' Mittitippi Tate should just be happy with that but that's a BS line of thinking. We were a mismanaged team last year and the results showed that. That hasn't improved this year...it's gotten worse. Do you think that somehow the same coach will magically fix it next year against a tougher schedule? It's obvious to literally 99% of fans AND the 17'n national media.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Because its a knee jerk, emotional message board reaction and unsustainable at this university. In this conference, if we were to attempt to hold all future coaches to a standard of being fired after one below average season we would send a signal we are not only in denial of what it takes to win at MSU, but that we are unrealistic of the expectations of what level of success is sustainable. This will severely limit who we have to choose from to replace Moorhead and any successive coach.

Get over yourselves. Cohen isnt firing him due to the probability we will win more than 4 games and most likely will win 6. Joe may very well decide to leave on his own if he finds a better fit for him.

Everyone knew we had to let Rocky go. Tech and 10 settled that.
Everyone knew Jackie couldnt succeed during a 3 year investigation and he eventually realized that.
The many fans that said you couldnt fire Croom 1 year removed from SEC COY were a vocal minority.

Your comment about Joe being the 'worst coach MSU has ever had' or even the last 15 years, let alone 50, shows you are just willfully ignorant of our past.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Because its a knee jerk, emotional message board reaction and unsustainable at this university. In this conference, if we were to attempt to hold all future coaches to a standard of being fired after one below average season we would send a signal we are not only in denial of what it takes to win at MSU, but that we are unrealistic of the expectations of what level of success is sustainable. This will severely limit who we have to choose from to replace Moorhead and any successive coach.

Get over yourselves. Cohen isnt firing him due to the probability we will win more than 4 games and most likely will win 6. Joe may very well decide to leave on his own if he finds a better fit for him.

Everyone knew we had to let Rocky go. Tech and 10 settled that.
Everyone knew Jackie couldnt succeed during a 3 year investigation and he eventually realized that.
The many fans that said you couldnt fire Croom 1 year removed from SEC COY were a vocal minority.

Your comment about Joe being the 'worst coach MSU has ever had' or even the last 15 years, let alone 50, shows you are just willfully ignorant of our past.

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YEP.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

If YOU don't realize how bad of a coach Moorhead is then YOU are willfully ignorant. You say one season: last season was a trainwreck. I know...we won 8 games and po' ol' Mittitippi Tate should just be happy with that but that's a BS line of thinking. We were a mismanaged team last year and the results showed that. That hasn't improved this year...it's gotten worse. Do you think that somehow the same coach will magically fix it next year against a tougher schedule? It's obvious to literally 99% of fans AND the 17'n national media.

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What a perfect example of why we will never rise above what we are. THIS is the old MSU attitude to a T. I've heard this for 50 years.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Because its a knee jerk, emotional message board reaction and unsustainable at this university. In this conference, if we were to attempt to hold all future coaches to a standard of being fired after one below average season we would send a signal we are not only in denial of what it takes to win at MSU, but that we are unrealistic of the expectations of what level of success is sustainable. This will severely limit who we have to choose from to replace Moorhead and any successive coach.

Get over yourselves. Cohen isnt firing him due to the probability we will win more than 4 games and most likely will win 6. Joe may very well decide to leave on his own if he finds a better fit for him.

Everyone knew we had to let Rocky go. Tech and 10 settled that.
Everyone knew Jackie couldnt succeed during a 3 year investigation and he eventually realized that.
The many fans that said you couldnt fire Croom 1 year removed from SEC COY were a vocal minority.

Your comment about Joe being the 'worst coach MSU has ever had' or even the last 15 years, let alone 50, shows you are just willfully ignorant of our past.

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Shhhh with the logical response...between here and shitpackspeak if you aren?t all aboard the fire JoMo mafia then you aren?t true maroon