There is a truth to discuss...'

Mississippi State will never compete on a national stage in football, ever. We simply can't afford to do it in today's climate. The best that MSU can do is to win our state, win 8 or 9 when we can and try not to have 4 and 5 win seasons. We as a University have to play the game and use what revenues we receive from our own generation and from our football and the SEC ( TV money) to prop up the sports where we do have chance to compete on a national level ( Baseball and Womens Basketball).

Back to football, the time that we had a chance to compete has passed us by, and truthfully I don't think we as an alumni base are capable of doing what is necessary to get the things done to generate the amount of funding necessary for football to play on the big stage. We as an alumni are to inbred and busy back biting each other over how to get over and 17 each other for the best seats at football and the best seats in the baseball stadium. We as a group will never get in lock step and march for the greater good, someone will 17 it up every time. It's been this way for s long as I can remember and it's not going to change.

I think Byrne did a better job of getting people together. I don't know that Cohen can. But I think it starts with the AD there.

And with our luck if we ever did go 13-0 it would be the same year that Notre Dame, Clemson, Oregon, and Texas all went undefeated also leaving us out of the playoff.**

Lot of butt hurt on this board today. Not aimed at just the OP, but about 90% of the board.

We sound like whiny ******s.

We have not had a 4 or 5 win season in a decade.
We won 10 games in 2014. And if Guidry and Mitchell catch wide open passes we win 10 this year.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Lot of butt hurt on this board today. Not aimed at just the OP, but about 90% of the board.

We sound like whiny ******s.

We won 10 games in 2014. And if Guidry and Mitchell catch wide open passes we win 10 this year.

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This isn't whining, this is reality. 10 games is not competing on the big stage either, it's just winning 10 games and going to an also ran bowl game with a better paycheck.

You just said the best we can do is 8-9 wins. That obviously is false.

Also, 10 wins guarantees you a NY6 bowl. If that is an also ran bowl game that you don't see as awesome, you really should quit following football.

We were #1 for 5 weeks in 2014.... Saban won’t be around forever...That being said, We don’t have the AD in place at this time to compete in anything more than Baseball and Women’s basketball...

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You just said the best we can do is 8-9 wins. That obviously is false.

Also, 10 wins guarantees you a NY6 bowl. If that is an also ran bowl game that you don't see as awesome, you really should quit following football.

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You are very typical Misipy Tate, first trying to argue 8,9 or 10 wins doesn't matter that's just semantics, your talking about going to a new yea six bowl game and thinking that's 17ing awesome, I'm talking about playing for the whole ball of wax. Typical small time thinking, the exact just of my post. We as an alumni aren't and never will be prepared to do what is necessary to play for the big trophy. And yes any bowl game these days that's not in the playoffs or the CFP national championship game are also ran games. You are playing for school pride and getting a check, that's it.

As an aside, why does everyone assume we’d have beaten Florida if we caught that TD? There was almost an entire half to go

Problem is that if we as fans aren't able to establish an extremely fundamentally sound financial base we won't be able to take advantage of when Saban leaves.

Revenue has to go up and donations have to go up. And they have to do so in a big way. We need to get revenue above $70 million at a minimum. We should all aim to increase our donations by 5-10%. If you give $50 a month, give $55 a month. And if 5,000 people do that you get an extra $300,00 just from donations. Season ticksets probably need to increase by at least $20 a ticket. Need MSU fans to buy from the athletic department whenever they can. Tickets, clothes, etc. Got to show up to games and pay money for concessions, gear, etc and make sure if you do sell your tickets you sell them to people who will buy MSU stuff.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You are very typical Misipy Tate, first trying to argue 8,9 or 10 wins doesn't matter that's just semantics, your talking about going to a new yea six bowl game and thinking that's 17ing awesome, I'm talking about playing for the whole ball of wax. Typical small time thinking, the exact just of my post. We as an alumni aren't and never will be prepared to do what is necessary to play for the big trophy. And yes any bowl game these days that's not in the playoffs or the CFP national championship game are also ran games. You are playing for school pride and getting a check, that's it.

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1. You're.
2. You should say what you mean. Don't make statements about our ceiling being 8-9 games, get called out on it, and then move the goalposts and talk about semantics.
3. Everybody wants a natty, but if our base doesn't think a NY6 bowl appearance is awesome, that's an us problem.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Mississippi State will never compete on a national stage in football, ever. We simply can't afford to do it in today's climate. The best that MSU can do is to win our state, win 8 or 9 when we can and try not to have 4 and 5 win seasons. We as a University have to play the game and use what revenues we receive from our own generation and from our football and the SEC ( TV money) to prop up the sports where we do have chance to compete on a national level ( Baseball and Womens Basketball).

Back to football, the time that we had a chance to compete has passed us by, and truthfully I don't think we as an alumni base are capable of doing what is necessary to get the things done to generate the amount of funding necessary for football to play on the big stage. We as an alumni are to inbred and busy back biting each other over how to get over and 17 each other for the best seats at football and the best seats in the baseball stadium. We as a group will never get in lock step and march for the greater good, someone will 17 it up every time. It's been this way for s long as I can remember and it's not going to change.

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I don't buy this...

A lot of fingerin' pointing at Saban & Bammer but they don't hurt the MSU cause as much as some of the other programs do, IMO... & Bammer is as much Steppin' Stone U as you cats, right now.

Also, there are 11 other games on the schedule that are equitably important... And 11-1 in the SECW will get you in the CFP a lot of the time and a Big Time Bowl, for certain...

AU, A&M and LSU are simultaneously beatable right now... Arkie and Ole Miss are as bad as I've seen them in a while and KY is, well, they're Kentucky...

Just some random Bammer thoughts...

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Originally Posted by confucius say

1. You're.
2. You should say what you mean. Don't make statements about our ceiling being 8-9 games, get called out on it, and then move the goalposts and talk about semantics.
3. Everybody wants a natty, but if our base doesn't think a NY6 bowl appearance is awesome, that's an us problem.

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You get bogged down in bullshat, that's doesn't matter 8 to 10 wins, who cares they may as well be equivalent. Winning that many games still doesn't get you in the CFP. It's not about what Im happy with, it's about a national championship in football that in and we can't afford to get there we don't have the resources. And thanks for the grammar I don't care.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I don't buy this...

A lot of fingerin' pointing at Saban & Bammer but they don't hurt the MSU cause as much as some of the other programs do, IMO... & Bammer is as much Steppin' Stone U as you cats, right now.

Also, there are 11 other games on the schedule that are equitably important... And 11-1 in the SECW will get you in the CFP a lot of the time and a Big Time Bowl, for certain...

AU, A&M and LSU are simultaneously beatable right now... Arkie and Ole Miss are as bad as I've seen them in a while and KY is, well, they're Kentucky...

Just some random Bammer thoughts...

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You should say typical Bammer response, do you even know who your programs largest benefactors are? This is about having the resources to get to the CFP from the SEC, there are 4 maybe 5 schools who have it. 2 of them we are sure of and there are 3 more that can't quite get their shat together, but if they got things going in the right direction could.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Lot of butt hurt on this board today. Not aimed at just the OP, but about 90% of the board.

We sound like whiny ******s.

We have not had a 4 or 5 win season in a decade.
We won 10 games in 2014. And if Guidry and Mitchell catch wide open passes we win 10 this year.

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We had a 5 win season in 2016.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You get bogged down in bullshat, that's doesn't matter 8 to 10 wins, who cares they may as well be equivalent. Winning that many games still doesn't get you in the CFP. It's not about what Im happy with, it's about a national championship in football that in and we can't afford to get there we don't have the resources. And thanks for the grammar I don't care.

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So you're real point is we are not capable of making the playoff?

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

As an aside, why does everyone assume we’d have beaten Florida if we caught that TD? There was almost an entire half to go

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May not have. Maybe it goes to OT tied at 13. Maybe momentum picks up defensively and UF doesn't get that other FG and MSU wins 13-10.

About as much chance to make cfp as Purdue, nc State, Boston college, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Colorado, Virginia, Illinois, northwestern, etc, etc, etc in the current climate

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We had a 5 win season in 2016.

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6. Don't we all count or not count bowl games dependent upon if it helps our argument?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We had a 5 win season in 2016.

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We won 6 games in 2016

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Originally Posted by confucius say

So you're real point is we are not capable of making the playoff?

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MSU is in no way capable of matching the funding necessary to reach the CFP. We don't live in that neighborhood, we're in the nice subdivision just down the street, the one that's not gated.