REGULARLY HOSTING.. The only measurable to consider

That is the meat and potatoes of college baseball success because doing so gives you the platform to win big.

There is PROCESS and there are RESULTS. Anyone with a minor understanding of correlation/causation should get this. Understanding the mathematical facts of randomness in all things.

The question isn?t about a half seasons results, as great as they are. Randomness and talent had us an at bat away from 2 and Q. Did the will of Gary Henderson win that game? Unlikely. We had a great run but how repeatable was it?

We?ve all seen Gary?s DECISIONS this year especially when it comes to pitching management. Decisions are in your control, results mostly are not. Baseball is a random game, that?s why it has the most games played in a season and also the smallest difference between the best and worst teams. In football you have undefeated teams and also winless teams. Not the nature of baseball. The fact of the matter is you could put most of us in Henderson?s role and win some games just by simply filling a lineup card out. We would have much less a shot on the football field as Joe Schmo fan.

You have a body of work over a decade saying Henderson cannot host regularly which is what is demanded. His body of work is a disqualifier, bottom line, for this program. Sorry to the average fan that tunes in once postseason begins, sorry to the women and their feels, sorry to the media, but it would be disastrous for where we want to be as a program.

Who you trying to convince? Forward this to jac374@msstate.edu

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Originally Posted by ChillOutDog

That is the meat and potatoes of college baseball success because doing so gives you the platform to win big.

There is PROCESS and there are RESULTS. Anyone with a minor understanding of correlation/causation should get this. Understanding the mathematical facts of randomness in all things.

The question isn?t about a half seasons results, as great as they are. Randomness and talent had us an at bat away from 2 and Q. Did the will of Gary Henderson win that game? Unlikely. We had a great run but how repeatable was it?

We?ve all seen Gary?s DECISIONS this year especially when it comes to pitching management. Decisions are in your control, results mostly are not. Baseball is a random game, that?s why it has the most games played in a season and also the smallest difference between the best and worst teams. In football you have undefeated teams and also winless teams. Not the nature of baseball. The fact of the matter is you could put most of us in Henderson?s role and win some games just by simply filling a lineup card out. We would have much less a shot on the football field as Joe Schmo fan.

You have a body of work over a decade saying Henderson cannot host regularly which is what is demanded. His body of work is a disqualifier, bottom line, for this program. Sorry to the average fan that tunes in once postseason begins, sorry to the women and their feels, sorry to the media, but it would be disastrous for where we want to be as a program.

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This is the only correct response. If we hire Henderson our program backtracks 10+ years instead of moving forward.

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Originally Posted by ChillOutDog

That is the meat and potatoes of college baseball success because doing so gives you the platform to win big.

There is PROCESS and there are RESULTS. Anyone with a minor understanding of correlation/causation should get this. Understanding the mathematical facts of randomness in all things.

The question isn?t about a half seasons results, as great as they are. Randomness and talent had us an at bat away from 2 and Q. Did the will of Gary Henderson win that game? Unlikely. We had a great run but how repeatable was it?

We?ve all seen Gary?s DECISIONS this year especially when it comes to pitching management. Decisions are in your control, results mostly are not. Baseball is a random game, that?s why it has the most games played in a season and also the smallest difference between the best and worst teams. In football you have undefeated teams and also winless teams. Not the nature of baseball. The fact of the matter is you could put most of us in Henderson?s role and win some games just by simply filling a lineup card out. We would have much less a shot on the football field as Joe Schmo fan.

You have a body of work over a decade saying Henderson cannot host regularly which is what is demanded. His body of work is a disqualifier, bottom line, for this program. Sorry to the average fan that tunes in once postseason begins, sorry to the women and their feels, sorry to the media, but it would be disastrous for where we want to be as a program.

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Number of times Kentucky has hosted in their entire program history? Well they've only been to a regional 7 times in the last 30 years. So less than 25% of the time. Saying that Gary sucks because he didn't take UK to regionals consistently would be like getting pissed at Mullen because we didn't make NY6 bowls consistently under him.

I don't think people realize the following two things:

1) Being good doesn't mean you compete for titles. You can be a really good coach and maintain reasonable success at a program that doesn't normally have success.

2) Cohen left Henderson with shit his first two years. Henderson took that program from the gutter and maintained that program in a time when SC, Vandy, and UF all won titles. He developed talent and has 5 guys on an MLB roster right now.

Henderson is getting shit on here and it's just ridiculous. I don't understand it. He didn't make regionals consistently at a school that doesn't make regionals consistently. Big shocker. Doesn't mean he's a bad coach. You can't run a mediocre program into the ground by continuing to be mediocre. We could do much worse than Henderson. We can do better but we could definitely do worse.

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Number of times Kentucky has hosted in their entire program history? Well they've only been to a regional 7 times in the last 30 years. So less than 25% of the time. Saying that Gary sucks because he didn't take UK to regionals consistently would be like getting pissed at Mullen because we didn't make NY6 bowls consistently under him.

I don't think people realize the following two things:

1) Being good doesn't mean you compete for titles. You can be a really good coach and maintain reasonable success at a program that doesn't normally have success.

2) Cohen left Henderson with shit his first two years. Henderson took that program from the gutter and maintained that program in a time when SC, Vandy, and UF all won titles. He developed talent and has 5 guys on an MLB roster right now.

Henderson is getting shit on here and it's just ridiculous. I don't understand it. He didn't make regionals consistently at a school that doesn't make regionals consistently. Big shocker. Doesn't mean he's a bad coach. You can't run a mediocre program into the ground by continuing to be mediocre. We could do much worse than Henderson. We can do better but we could definitely do worse.

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No, it's be like being pissed at Mullen for not getting us to a bowl game period. NY6 bowls are NOT the equivalent of regional appearances.

And the reason we want guys like schloss, McDonnell, Tadlock, and Corbin is because they've gone to programs with less history than Kentucky and managed to win big and win consistently, making hosting regionals routine expectations for non-powerhouses like Texas tech, Louisville, tcu, and vandy. We wouldn't want a coach from those programs that made 2 regionals in 8 years.

Regularly hosting and often as a National seed is the best way to put us in position to win a natty until we break thru. There is no reason we can't expect to host and compete for National seeds far more often than we have in the last 15 years. Our support and now our facilities are without peer and if we don't take advantage of our new stadium while its new to build something, then every fan should be furious.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

No, it's be like being pissed at Mullen for not getting us to a bowl game period. NY6 bowls are NOT the equivalent of regional appearances.

And the reason we want guys like schloss, McDonnell, Tadlock, and Corbin is because they've gone to programs with less history than Kentucky and managed to win big and win consistently, making hosting regionals routine expectations for non-powerhouses like Texas tech, Louisville, tcu, and vandy. We wouldn't want a coach from those programs that made 2 regionals in 8 years.

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More than 50% of college football teams make bowls. Less than 25% make it in baseball. And you can get in with a losing record in football. You have to have a winning record to even be in consideration for a regional.

I will also say those programs you mentioned made serious commitments to baseball. Kentucky has not. And two of the universities you mentioned can offer as many scholarships as they want. And one of those directly competes against where henderson was coaching.

You must not have played at a very competitive level if you assume you can "simply fill a lineup card out" and win as a HC. If that were the case I would assume you think this team would have gone to the CWS regardless of who was coaching or hell why even need a coach. If many of us had coached this team our season would have ended before the SEC tourney.

Y'all give Hendo very little credit. Yes he made some head scratching decisions with the pitching staff at times. Although throwing Gordon late in the season and early in the post season paid off dividends in the supers and CWS. Kid was lights out. Despite most on here calling him and idiot.

He competed in the toughest division of the toughest league in college baseball for a decade at a school with baseball history similar if not worse than ours in football. Would you say Dan Mullen was a complete failure for what he did here? Kentucky save a couple years has been absolutely atrocious at baseball.

They had an unbelievably talented team this year and still couldn't make a regional or host.

Would you say Nick Saban was a failure at Michigan State because he never made a BCS game and LSU should have never hired him?

The mistake you are making is comparing our baseball job to that of Kentucky and assuming his results would be similar here(they may be but we don't know that). Two different ball games. He will have advantages here he did not have nor would he ever have had at KY. Think about this, we win even in our down years. We make regionals- in our down years. Our program is and has always recruited itself save the last few years of Polk(where he just got lazy). When our coaches show up at tournaments kids recognize our logo and know who that is.

Just listen to our players talk about the responsibility they feel when putting the jersey on. He picked up the pieces of a broken team, put them together and got us to a CWS. If we can't go and land Schloss, Mcdonnell, Corbin or someone else on that level Hendo has to be the guy. No way around it. Otherwise you will be hiring a mid major coach that hasn't even been recruiting the same kids that we do in the SEC.

You go get a mid major success say Tenn Tech/Southeastern type hire and you are hiring a guy that has lived off Jucos filling holes and players that do one or two things well and piecing that together. Not saying the next Corbin isn't sitting at a mid major somewhere but damn is it worth trying the Cannizaro route again over Henderson? And for the record I think Matt Riser at Southeastern has done a great job(not knocking him at all and thought he may be a candidate originally-he reruited me and I really liked him).

Why not let Hendo coach a few more years let Gautreau get some more experience and have him take over if we can't go get a top 5 guy?

Mullen came in after a dumpster fire. Hendo took over after Cohen took them to the postseason 2 Of 3 years

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Originally Posted by BB30

You must not have played at a very competitive level if you assume you can "simply fill a lineup card out" and win as a HC. If that were the case I would assume you think this team would have gone to the CWS regardless of who was coaching or hell why even need a coach. If many of us had coached this team our season would have ended before the SEC tourney.

Y'all give Hendo very little credit. Yes he made some head scratching decisions with the pitching staff at times. Although throwing Gordon late in the season and early in the post season paid off dividends in the supers and CWS. Kid was lights out. Despite most on here calling him and idiot.

He competed in the toughest division of the toughest league in college baseball for a decade at a school with baseball history similar if not worse than ours in football. Would you say Dan Mullen was a complete failure for what he did here? Kentucky save a couple years has been absolutely atrocious at baseball.

They had an unbelievably talented team this year and still couldn't make a regional or host.

Would you say Nick Saban was a failure at Michigan State because he never made a BCS game and LSU should have never hired him?

The mistake you are making is comparing our baseball job to that of Kentucky and assuming his results would be similar here(they may be but we don't know that). Two different ball games. He will have advantages here he did not have nor would he ever have had at KY. Think about this, we win even in our down years. We make regionals- in our down years. Our program is and has always recruited itself save the last few years of Polk(where he just got lazy). When our coaches show up at tournaments kids recognize our logo and know who that is.

Just listen to our players talk about the responsibility they feel when putting the jersey on. He picked up the pieces of a broken team, put them together and got us to a CWS. If we can't go and land Schloss, Mcdonnell, Corbin or someone else on that level Hendo has to be the guy. No way around it. Otherwise you will be hiring a mid major coach that hasn't even been recruiting the same kids that we do in the SEC.

You go get a mid major success say Tenn Tech/Southeastern type hire and you are hiring a guy that has lived off Jucos filling holes and players that do one or two things well and piecing that together. Not saying the next Corbin isn't sitting at a mid major somewhere but damn is it worth trying the Cannizaro route again over Henderson? And for the record I think Matt Riser at Southeastern has done a great job(not knocking him at all and thought he may be a candidate originally-he reruited me and I really liked him).

Why not let Hendo coach a few more years let Gautreau get some more experience and have him take over if we can't go get a top 5 guy?

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Why not just hire Gautreau? Why do we have to do weird coach in waiting and let's hope Tulane or someone else doesn't hire him stuff?

If we think Gautreau is a star- hire him. If not hire another coach that we think is better. It's not like Gautreau is 22 or something like that. He has played pro baseball. What is Gary Henderson going to teach him at this point?

I think Henderson would be insulted by a termed offer where he knew Gautreau is getting the job in 2-3 years and likely would turn it down. Plus that's just messier than shit already is if the offense regresses next year or if Henderson were to win a natty off Gautreau's bats and want to stick around indefinitely while Tulane (or equivalent or better) comes calling for Gautreau, and then we watch the program seriously regress without Gautreau's coaching.