Coaching change - really ??

Jackie Sherrill:

1991 Mississippi State 7-5 4-3 T4th L Liberty
1992 Mississippi State 7-5 4-4 3rd (West) L Peach 23
1993 Mississippi State 4-5-2 3-4-1 4th (West)
1994 Mississippi State 8-4 5-3 2nd (West) L Peach 25 24
1995 Mississippi State 3-8 1-7 4th (West)

first 5: 29-27-2 17-21-1

1996 Mississippi State 5-6 3-5 4th (West)
1997 Mississippi State 7-4 4-4 T?3rd (West)
1998 Mississippi State 8-5 6-2 1st (West) L Cotton
1999 Mississippi State 10-2 6-2 2nd (West) W Peach 12 13
2000 Mississippi State 8-4 4-4 T?3rd (West) W Independence 22 24
2001 Mississippi State 3-8 2-6 6th (West)
2002 Mississippi State 3-9 0-8 5th (West)
2003 Mississippi State 2-10 1-7 5th (West)
Mississippi State: 75-75-2 43-59-1

Sylvester Croom:

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs
Mississippi State Bulldogs (Southeastern Conference) (2004?2008)
2004 Mississippi State 3-8 2-6 6th (West)
2005 Mississippi State 3-8 1-7 T5th (West)
2006 Mississippi State 3-9 1-7 6th (West)
2007 Mississippi State 8-5 4-4 T3rd (West) W Liberty
2008 Mississippi State 4-8 2-6 T4th (West)
Mississippi State: 21-38 10-30
Total: 21-38

Dan Mullen:

2009 Mississippi State 5-7 3-5 T4th (West)
2010 Mississippi State 9-4 4-4 5th (West) W Gator 17 15
2011 Mississippi State 7-6 2-6 5th (West) W Music City
2012 Mississippi State 8-5 4-4 4th (West) L Gator
2013 Mississippi State 1-2 0-1
Mississippi State: 30-24 13-20
Total: 30-24

So Dan has done a better job in his first five years than our all time winningest coach, Jackie Sherrill, but people are ready to toss him? Have you lost your minds?? Sure there's things that need to be fixed, but I don't think we should even be hearing people talk about throwing Mullen to the curb.

As I posted on 24/7,

We have sucked forever. How about we try not sucking? I hear it's nice.

Two traditional NYD bowls in the last three years. Jackie did that once, but Jackie did get to Atlanta......in his 8th season.

Yeah I've calmed down a lot from Saturday night... but we need Mullen to get his fire back... I want that cocky coach from 2010 back

agree completely. it's insane.

we've had 4 winning seasons since 2001 under 3 different coaches and CDM has 3 of those. Bowl games every year except his first. Tied for most bowl wins in program history after only 4 years (that makes me want to cry).

2 wins in his last 9 games. At least we looked competitive against the second worst SEC team though*

[QUOTE=Political Hack;52237]agree completely. it's insane.

we've had 4 winning seasons since 2001 under 3 different coaches and CDM has 3 of those. Bowl games every year except his first. Tied for most bowl wins in program history after only 4 years (that makes me want to cry).[/QUOTE]

That hurt my stomach.

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Originally Posted by CJDAWG85

Yeah I've calmed down a lot from Saturday night... but we need Mullen to get his fire back... I want that cocky coach from 2010 back

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^^^ spot-on ^^^ .... I want to see the guy that invented football back on the sidelines

"So Dan has done a better job in his first five years than our all time winningest coach, Jackie Sherrill"

Not yet he hasn't. Not yet anyway. Imagine if Jackie had the benefit of having a 12th game against Alcorn or Jackson State? Give him an extra win every year, and his record is then 34-27-2. Also Jackie's SEC record of 17-21-1 is better than 13-20.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a "fire Mullen!" advocate. But it's a little early to say Dan is better than Jackie. If I had to rank them, they would be 1a and 1b at this point.

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Originally Posted by Hypnodawg

2 wins in his last 9 games. At least we looked competitive against the second worst SEC team though*

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I think this is a direct result of trying to force a spread run offense to use a pocket passer QB, and now trying to take a spread run QB run the offense set up for the pocket passer.

So it all boils down to these questions....

Do you let him tank before removing him?

How far does his 3 bowl streak take him with us?

Why do most agree that Tyler shouldn't be praised for breaking shitty MSU passing records, yet Mullen gets praised for breaking shitty MSU wins records? Against bad OOC schedules too.

Do we want to be proactive and build on what he's built? Or allow what he's built to fade away and have to start fresh by being REactive instead? (Like we typically do)

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Originally Posted by slickdawg

I think this is a direct result of trying to force a spread run offense to use a pocket passer QB, and now trying to take a spread run QB run the offense set up for the pocket passer.

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I agree, but who's fault is that? Hell, I saw it two years ago but it took a guy getting paid 2.6 million a year two additional years to figure it out? That's part of my problem with him. When you have fans being proven right and noticing major things before your head coach, there are problems. And his lack of give a shit and emotion these days is a major turn off as well.

Mullen is in year 5, and has never beaten a Top 20 team.

He hasn't beaten a Top 25 team since 2010, let that sink in, It's 2013...
2009 (win over #25 Ole Miss)
2010 (win over #22 UF)

We are supposed to be a program on the rise under Mullen and it appears that we are regressing in his 5th year.
Our best season under Mullen was 2010 (9-4) with his 2nd Top 25 win being over a #22 ranked UF.
What have we done since then?
Well we have lost 7 out of the last 9 games going back to last year...

Mullen is just not that good of an offensive coach, never makes adjustments and makes bad in-game decisions.

unless he's willing to get a real OL coach AND a real OC, and turn over the offense, then it's time to cut bait. His game management sucks too. He's peaked. Strike while the iron's hot. Otherwise, 3-5 years from now when we do decide to move in a new direction, we will have tanked and it's a complete rebuild all over again. Our job is semi-desirable right now.

Like Jackie's easy wins vs NE LA and Troy?

We cannot fire a coach off playing in 3 straight bowl games, unless he loses out.

Mullen gets this year and next to right the ship.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So it all boils down to these questions....

Do you let him tank before removing him?

How far does his 3 bowl streak take him with us?

Why do most agree that Tyler shouldn't be praised for breaking shitty MSU passing records, yet Mullen gets praised for breaking shitty MSU wins records? Against bad OOC schedules too.

Do we want to be proactive and build on what he's built? Or allow what he's built to fade away and have to start fresh by being REactive instead? (Like we typically do)

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How can we build on what he's built when the next coach has already been picked? Hud has already been crowned.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

We cannot fire a coach off playing in 3 straight bowl games, unless he loses out.

Mullen gets this year and next to right the ship.

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And you think we are back in a Bowl next year at 6-6. Is that righting the ship in your opinion?

heres the thing with mullen, most of his wins have been off of cupcakes. really other than florida he hasn't beaten anyone. sure we can schedule cupcakes to pad our wins but is that what you really want? or do you want to have a coach that's takes on the big boys head on and gives them all they can handle? I know which one I want.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

How can we build on what he's built when the next coach has already been picked? Hud has already been crowned.

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What?? Why can Hud not build on what Mullen has built?

Hud wants to be here, and he has heart even after a few seasons with ULL. Meanwhile, Mullen lost all heart and balls after the Bama game last year.