Sec west coaches win totals

Gus- 8.25 regular season wins a year at auburn

Sumlin- 8.2 regular season wins a year at A&M

Freeze- 7.2 regular season wins a year at Mississippi (pending NCAA reduction)

Mullen- 7 regular season wins a year at state

Bert- 5.75 regular season wins a year at ark

Conclusions:

Gus and sumlin underachieve greatly considering they are both top ten recruiters according to 247 composite (Gus average class is 8 and sumlin is 11: Mullen is 26 FYI).

Bears are not getting much bang for their recruiting buck and, as is being seen, their cheating to win model is not sustainable.

Mullen has had sustained success over 8 years at the second hardest place to win in the sec (sorry vandy).

No one is arguing that Mullen isn't doing more with less, but could you imagine how good we could be if they weren't lazy at a few spots on the recruiting trail. No one is expecting a Top 15 class every year, but we better not be losing prospects to Louisville and the like.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Gus- 8.25 regular season wins a year at auburn

Sumlin- 8.2 regular season wins a year at A&M

Freeze- 7.2 regular season wins a year at Mississippi (pending NCAA reduction)

Mullen- 7 regular season wins a year at state

Bert- 5.75 regular season wins a year at ark

Conclusions:

Gus and sumlin underachieve greatly considering they are both top ten recruiters according to 247 composite (Gus average class is 8 and sumlin is 11: Mullen is 26 FYI).

Bears are not getting much bang for their recruiting buck and, as is being seen, their cheating to win model is not sustainable.

Mullen has had sustained success over 8 years at the second hardest place to win in the sec (sorry vandy).

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Not gonna argue too much here but it might be a better snapshot of looking at just SEC W wins. Here's why, in AUs case they have played Lville and Clemson each of the last 2 years OOC + all intra-conference games are not created equal either.

Before anyone says it, I'm not on the Gus Bus quite as much as RP. I figure you can throw Gus, Dan, and Freeze in a bag, shake it up and what comes out will be about the same, with the exceptions that Dan develops QBs better than both and he's honest too. I'll definitely give Dan cudos for those 2 things. Dan might be slightly better coach (not entirely sure) than the other 2, but doesn't take to recruiting like they do (and they would even if they ain't cheatin).

All three seem to perform better when no one is paying too much attention to them. They all struggle some as favorites.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Gus- 8.25 regular season wins a year at auburn

Sumlin- 8.2 regular season wins a year at A&M

Freeze- 7.2 regular season wins a year at Mississippi (pending NCAA reduction)

Mullen- 7 regular season wins a year at state

Bert- 5.75 regular season wins a year at ark

Conclusions:

Gus and sumlin underachieve greatly considering they are both top ten recruiters according to 247 composite (Gus average class is 8 and sumlin is 11: Mullen is 26 FYI).

Bears are not getting much bang for their recruiting buck and, as is being seen, their cheating to win model is not sustainable.

Mullen has had sustained success over 8 years at the second hardest place to win in the sec (sorry vandy).

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Not all the coaches started the same. Mullen was a brand new coach taking over a Croom program. Freeze took over a bad Nutt program but had been a head coach for a few years at smaller schools. Gus had been a head coach for just 1 season at a smaller school but was taking over a loaded Auburn program (despite AU going 3-9 (0-8) in Chizik's last year). Bert was an established head coach at a big time program and likely still had good players from Petrino years. Sumlin had been a head coach for a few years before taking over an average A&M program, but has a prime recruiting territory, a huge alumni base, and an in-state rival who has been down for several years.

Mullen being a first-time head coach and taking over for Croom is the least advantageous of the group. Freeze would probably be next (and close), but we know how he succeeded.

After Gus' first 12-win season, he has won 8, 7, and 8 games and is likely on the hot seat.

Mullen is the only coach that doesn't play a P5 school OOC and loses when he does. So Mullen should get a free win every year

Gus played the team that played for a NC OOC in 2016- and also in 2015

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not gonna argue too much here but it might be a better snapshot of looking at just SEC W wins. Here's why, in AUs case they have played Lville and Clemson each of the last 2 years OOC + all intra-conference games are not created equal either.

Before anyone says it, I'm not on the Gus Bus quite as much as RP. I figure you can throw Gus, Dan, and Freeze in a bag, shake it up and what comes out will be about the same, with the exceptions that Dan develops QBs better than both and he's honest too. I'll definitely give Dan cudos for those 2 things. Dan might be slightly better coach (not entirely sure) than the other 2, but doesn't take to recruiting like they do (and they would even if they ain't cheatin).

All three seem to perform better when no one is paying too much attention to them. They all struggle some as favorites.

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Since 2013:

Auburn 13-11, MSU 11-13, UNM 10-14, A & M 9-15, Ark 7-17 in SEC West games only.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Since 2013:

Auburn 13-11, MSU 11-13, UNM 10-14, A & M 9-15, Ark 7-17 in SEC West games only.

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Now that right there is interesting. Good info Clark. So now we know that if Dan would only recruit an Oline he should dominate the SEC W with of course the exception of the big red elefant.

Mike Sherman left Sumlin a pretty well-stocked cupboard. Several future NFL O-linemen plus Manziel and Mike Evans.

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Mike Sherman left Sumlin a pretty well-stocked cupboard. Several future NFL O-linemen plus Manziel and Mike Evans.

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Sumlin is by far the most underachieving SEC coach IMO.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Since 2013:

Auburn 13-11, MSU 11-13, UNM 10-14, A & M 9-15, Ark 7-17 in SEC West games only.

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Whoops.

One of the differences that Gus & Freeze have on Dan is this too: when they show up to play Bama, they smack them in the mouth some even if they lose. Bama usually knows they were in a football game with them. With the exception of 2013 & 2014, Bama leaves a game after playing us and they ain't broke out in much more of a sweat than they do during their Thursday walk-thru practices in shorts & t-shirts.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

One of the differences that Gus & Freeze have on Dan is this too: when they show up to play Bama, they smack them in the mouth some even if they lose. Bama usually knows they were in a football game with them. With the exception of 2013 & 2014, Bama leaves a game after playing us and they ain't broke out in much more of a sweat than they do during their Thursday walk-thru practices in shorts & t-shirts.

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Funny you should mention that... Gus has lost 3 straight to bama by double digits for the first time since '76-'78

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Funny you should mention that... Gus has lost 3 straight to bama by double digits for the first time since '76-'78

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Haha .. lots of folks have. We lose by 30.

3 years ago tho he put the fear of god into them in the first half. They usually come out and at least try to scrap with them ... they just don't roll over completely and play dead.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Mullen is the only coach that doesn't play a P5 school OOC and loses when he does. So Mullen should get a free win every year

Gus played the team that played for a NC OOC in 2016- and also in 2015

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Gus also plays 8 home games a year usually and coaches at a place that is much easier to win with a lot more resources. He is an 8-4 underachieving coach with top 8 talent who you celebrate.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Haha .. lots of folks have. We lose by 30.

3 years ago tho he put the fear of god into them in the first half. They usually come out and at least try to scrap with them ... they just don't roll over completely and play dead.

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The fact you're comparing us to auburn on equal ground is a compliment to Mullen and a slap on the face to Gus

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Since 2013:

Auburn 13-11, MSU 11-13, UNM 10-14, A & M 9-15, Ark 7-17 in SEC West games only.

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So that put's us right smack in the middle of the pack in the SEC West. So Mullen is the lowest paid coach in the SEC West but has 4th most wins after bama,lsu and auburn. That's very interesting! Thats some good info, Clark!

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The fact you're comparing us to auburn on equal ground is a compliment to Mullen and a slap on the face to Gus

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Ok. I think Dan could really do great in the SEC W. That's what pisses me off. Outside of Saban no coach in the West impresses me and I think Dan is the smartest on of the bunch. If he'd just not be so damn stubborn about the 2 or 3 things he and his staff need to get better at ... he could be up there every year. Even at po ole MSU.

Gus will play for the West title in 2017. They will be very damn good and a lot better than this year. Probably his best team since he has been at Auburn as HC

Auburn also has State, Bama, Georgia, and OM at home

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Gus will play for the West title in 2017. They will be very damn good and a lot better than this year. Probably his best team since he has been at Auburn as HC

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Here's an intangible for you. If AU is picked to finish 2nd or 3rd in West ... they'll finish 4th or worse. If they picked 4 - 6 ... then they'll be playing Bama for west title.