Howland

When is Howland going to get pissed off and start actually coaching these players? I have yet to see him yell or raise his voice in anger once since he arrived. Take off the kid gloves and stop walking on eggshells. Howland trying to be nice and on his best behavior all the time is what's wrong with this team right now. I don't want nice Howland. I want pissed off Howland. Haven't seen that guy once. Has he had a single technical foul called on himself since arriving? Just having to ask that means it's a PROBLEM. Kentucky wouldn't have nearly the same success with all their freshman every year if Calipari was scared to light their asses up and scared to yell at the 17ing refs. There is such a thing as being too nice.

I'll posted this on SPS but I think it's an interesting topic so I'll post it here too.

Oh gosh.

"...There was criticism about his perceived tight-fisted control, in games and with the team and staff. There were concerns about the number of players who transferred, though only a few found success elsewhere: Drew Gordon (New Mexico), Mike Moser (Nevada Las Vegas), Chace Stanback (UNLV) and Matt Carlino (Brigham Young)...."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar...fired-20130325

Article about howland being fired at ucla.

Did that make howland softer?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

When is Howland going to get pissed off and start actually coaching these players? I have yet to see him yell or raise his voice in anger once since he arrived. Take off the kid gloves and stop walking on eggshells. Howland trying to be nice and on his best behavior all the time is what's wrong with this team right now. I don't want nice Howland. I want pissed off Howland. Haven't seen that guy once. Has he had a single technical foul called on himself since arriving? Just having to ask that means it's a PROBLEM. Kentucky wouldn't have nearly the same success with all their freshman every year if Calipari was scared to light their asses up and scared to yell at the 17ing refs. There is such a thing as being too nice.

I'll posted this on SPS but I think it's an interesting topic so I'll post it here too.

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Bit of advice...Next time just leave it over there.

Howland doesn't get on players in-game like at ucla. I don't know if that anything to do with our performance, but it's true

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Originally Posted by msstate7

"...There was criticism about his perceived tight-fisted control, in games and with the team and staff. There were concerns about the number of players who transferred, though only a few found success elsewhere: Drew Gordon (New Mexico), Mike Moser (Nevada Las Vegas), Chace Stanback (UNLV) and Matt Carlino (Brigham Young)...."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar...fired-20130325

Article about howland being fired at ucla.

Did that make howland softer?

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Absolutely he is softer. He is still burnt from being fired and he's walking on eggshells still from it. He hasn't gotten a technical foul once. Have you ever seen him yelling at a player when they are ****ing up? Calipari is all over his freshman from the time they get there to the time they leave and they all love him for it. He makes them better players because of it. Howland isn't doing that at all so they aren't growing and learning as well as they should be.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

When is Howland going to get pissed off and start actually coaching these players? I have yet to see him yell or raise his voice in anger once since he arrived. Take off the kid gloves and stop walking on eggshells. Howland trying to be nice and on his best behavior all the time is what's wrong with this team right now. I don't want nice Howland. I want pissed off Howland. Haven't seen that guy once. Has he had a single technical foul called on himself since arriving? Just having to ask that means it's a PROBLEM. Kentucky wouldn't have nearly the same success with all their freshman every year if Calipari was scared to light their asses up and scared to yell at the 17ing refs. There is such a thing as being too nice.

I'll posted this on SPS but I think it's an interesting topic so I'll post it here too.

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I find it interesting how people correlate yelling & being pissed off with successful coaching.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Absolutely he is softer. He is still burnt from being fired and he's walking on eggshells still from it. He hasn't gotten a technical foul once. Have you ever seen him yelling at a player when they are ****ing up? Calipari is all over his freshman from the time they get there to the time they leave and they all love him for it. He makes them better players because of it. Howland isn't doing that at all so they aren't growing and learning as well as they should be.

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They had him mic'ed up last night. I thought he was doing an excellent job of pointing out mistakes without putting his player down. He was very positive and instructional. Seems like the kind of coach you would want to play for. You are barking up the tree 61. We are the youngest team in college basketball. I know everyone wants it now, but it takes time.

Yeah, Calipari being a hardass to his players is the key to his success. Has nothing to do with the 5 lottery picks he has on the court every year.

Howland inherited a turd. A big, long, gas station type turd. Next year will be slightly better but we're still going to be short some low post guys. Defensive effort sucks but I hope that's just a young team.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Howland inherited a turd. A big, long, gas station type turd. Next year will be slightly better but we're still going to be short some low post guys. Defensive effort sucks but I hope that's just a young team.

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Yep, and next year, 2 of our best players will be PG's in Nick and Peters. I know we will play them together a lot, but that's not ideal to have 2 guys around 6'0 in your backcourt.

Tell it HSV!

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You are barking up the tree 61.

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We are basically copying the Kentucky model on recruiting right now but we ain't coaching like Kentucky. How many technical fouls you think Calipari has gotten since showing up in Lexington? 50+? How many technical fouls has Howland gotten since showing up in Starkville? Zero. That's a problem dude. I hate asshole coaches like the dickhead at USCe but I respect the hell outta coaches like Calipari who get on players asses to force them to become better players. Nobody sets records in weight lifting with a nice spotter.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Bit of advice...Next time just leave it over there.

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No kidding.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We are basically copying the Kentucky model on recruiting right now but we ain't coaching like Kentucky.

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This is where our fanbase is messing up. We're not recruiting like Kentucky. He ended up a top 10 class because we signed 6 4* kids which is a huge class. The # of quality players put us up there. Kentucky & Duke sign 4 or 5 kids that all are in the Top 20 in the country. We signed 0. We have 0 1 & done kid & not likely to have a 2 & done although 1 or 2 are possible with huge jumps. That #5-8 ranking has warped some of you guys mind. We signed a bunch of guys who can/will be very good basketball players. We didn't sign any elite basketball players like Kentucky (they signed 3 elite guys). Nick is the closest thing to that & he couldn't even get a Kentucky offer so think about that.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

This is where our fanbase is messing up. We're not recruiting like Kentucky. He ended up a top 10 class because we signed 6 4* kids which is a huge class. The # of quality players put us up there. Kentucky & Duke sign 4 or 5 kids that all are in the Top 20 in the country. We signed 0. We have 0 1 & done kid & not likely to have a 2 & done although 1 or 2 are possible with huge jumps. That #5-8 ranking has warped some of you guys mind. We signed a bunch of guys who can/will be very good basketball players. We didn't sign any elite basketball players like Kentucky (they signed 3 elite guys). Nick is the closest thing to that & he couldn't even get a Kentucky offer so think about that.

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Malik did last season, right?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

This is where our fanbase is messing up. We're not recruiting like Kentucky. He ended up a top 10 class because we signed 6 4* kids which is a huge class. The # of quality players put us up there. Kentucky & Duke sign 4 or 5 kids that all are in the Top 20 in the country. We signed 0. We have 0 1 & done kid & not likely to have a 2 & done although 1 or 2 are possible with huge jumps. That #5-8 ranking has warped some of you guys mind. We signed a bunch of guys who can/will be very good basketball players. We didn't sign any elite basketball players like Kentucky (they signed 3 elite guys). Nick is the closest thing to that & he couldn't even get a Kentucky offer so think about that.

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Agree. Everyone wants to relate basketball recruiting to football recruiting, but the elite basketball talent pool is far far smaller.

If you think about the NBA draft. Think about the difference between the first 3 overall picks & the 10th overall pick. Usually there is light years difference.

However, in the NFL, you can land Dak Prescott & Tom Brady after 3rd round.

There's no comparison. The basketball talent pool is extremely shallow. The different between a top 3 class & a 4-10 class is the Grand Canyon

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree. Everyone wants to relate basketball recruiting to football recruiting, but the elite basketball talent pool is far far smaller.

If you think about the NBA draft. Think about the difference between the first 3 overall picks & the 10th overall pick. Usually there is light years difference.

However, in the NFL, you can land Dak Prescott & Tom Brady after 3rd round.

There's no comparison. The basketball talent pool is extremely shallow. The different between a top 3 class & a 4-10 class is the Grand Canyon

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Villanova recruiting rankings...
'12 = 30th
'13 = 46th
'14 = 32nd
'15 = 30th

Our football program outrecruited Villanova... you still stand by your post?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Malik did last season, right?

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Yes Malik was an elite recruit on paper.

To take it a step further a comparison between Kentucky & MSU class last year

Kentucky

6 De'Aaron Fox
9 Bam Adebayo
11 Malik Monk
14 Wenyen Gabriel
24 Sacha Kelleya-Jones

MSU
47 Schnider Herard
52 Mario Kegler
80 Eli Wright
96 Lamar Peters
97 Tyson Carter
119 Abdul Ado
290 EJ Datcher

So yes while we had 5 Top 100 prospects in the class Kentucky had 5 Top 25 prospects.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We are basically copying the Kentucky model on recruiting right now but we ain't coaching like Kentucky. How many technical fouls you think Calipari has gotten since showing up in Lexington? 50+? How many technical fouls has Howland gotten since showing up in Starkville? Zero. That's a problem dude. I hate asshole coaches like the dickhead at USCe but I respect the hell outta coaches like Calipari who get on players asses to force them to become better players. Nobody sets records in weight lifting with a nice spotter.

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Is there one thing regarding MS State athletics that you do actually like? You seem to rant quite a bit, so just curious as to why even invest energy into something that obviously brings you down....

I don't care if Howland speaks to the team in Spanish. This is a pointless thread.