So Our Players Think They are Playing Hard? Viewer Discretion Advised

Jake Wimberly has being a wonderful job on twitter pointing out why this team sucks.

Folks, we have an effort & heart problem. I'm really not sure how more experience fixes this. Do these guys deserve to wear the maroon & white?

Should fans support this? I really want to believe Mullen can turn it around, but I don't know. Can you teach heart? Looks like he recruited some duds

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Yea ... I've been watching this stuff. Sad ain't it?

The first one was enough for me. Little effort.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Yea ... I've been watching this stuff. Sad ain't it?

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Yes it is. This is what makes me concerned about weather Mullen can turn this ship around. As far as I can tell, he's got bad apples & I don't know how you fix that.

If these kids don't have enough self pride to be completely humiliated by what's in these videos, I'm not sure a coach can do anything.

Problem is, in order to fix things, Mullen will have to revamp the roster & I'm not sure he has time to do that. Revamping a roster take at least 2 to 3 years.

Defensively, it reminds me of Auburn last year...but with less talent. Remember the Auburn LSU game last year? That defense in that game reminds me of our D. No fire, lazy, bad tackling, bad technique.

Bad players with not enough talent and no leadership. Still, I just have a vision of 2015 baseball in my head. If Dan starts a real youth movement (which seems to be bubbling), and hitting the JUCOs heavy, I think a big retooling is already in the works. No way to compete for a title like '16 baseball - but not some epic 3 year rebuild some are predicting.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Bad players with not enough talent and no leadership. Still, I just have a vision of 2015 baseball in my head. If Dan starts a real youth movement (which seems to be bubbling), and hitting the JUCOs heavy, I think a big retooling is already in the works. No way to compete for a title like '16 baseball - but not some epic 3 year rebuild some are predicting.

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Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

Someone needs to ask. Why are they playing if they do not want to give effort? Where does that begin? Did, "they," get together before the season and say, "we," ain't playing hard this year? If so, why?

It appears to me someone has lost respect.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yes it is. This is what makes me concerned about weather Mullen can turn this ship around. As far as I can tell, he's got bad apples & I don't know how you fix that.

If these kids don't have enough self pride to be completely humiliated by what's in these videos, I'm not sure a coach can do anything.

Problem is, in order to fix things, Mullen will have to revamp the roster & I'm not sure he has time to do that. Revamping a roster take at least 2 to 3 years.

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I'm thinking some of those same thoughts. I said in another thread they tip-toeing thru the tulips and playing patti-cake on a significant amount of plays.

So my thoughts have been (and it has nothing to do with talent; those are some talented guys doing this stuff). I believe they've thrown in the towel; now the question is why?
1) Guys are afraid to make mistakes for some reason.
2) Guys are in horrible shape.
3) Guys are totally unsure on plays - not putting in effort watching film, etc.
And a big one:
4) Mullen has lost the team.

Every coach on this team has coached well quite often (except maybe Hev but he did ok with 2014 OL).

Just a few thoughts I've had. Something ain't right ... not sure what it is.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

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And we have also seen that we don't have to have them. And again, I'm not talking about winning the west, I'm talking about being back on track with the program.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

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Our last game of baseball this past year we started the following...

Mangum
Kruger
Lowe
Collins
Robson
Rooker
Marrero
Gridley
Holland

4 out of the 9 (44.4%) were newcomers. That number could've easily been higher if Alexander were healthy or if Cohen started stovall in place of Holland.

B-b-but random poster says they're playing hard. Not sure if serious***

Richie Brown has been garbage all year. He looks like he is in a pillow fight with only a feather.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

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Yes but ... some of those guys are 4* and good players. Gerri Green is talented. Bryant is talented. Peters is talented. JT Gray showed flashes of speed and talent 2 years ago. Richie has played very well in past. There are several like that (discounting Oline).

Some of those guys have played very well for us in the past for the most part. They ain't doing that now. Why??

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Yes but ... some of those guys are 4* and good players. Gerri Green is talented. Bryant is talented. Peters is talented. JT Gray showed flashes of speed and talent 2 years ago. Richie has played very well in past. There are several like that (discounting Oline).

Some of those guys have played very well for us in the past for the most part. They ain't doing that now. Why??

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You listed players all on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not crazy about the move to a 3-4, but I'm trying to be patient. Hopefully part of these guys' struggles are due to another DC and a new system

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You listed players all on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not crazy about the move to a 3-4, but I'm trying to be patient. Hopefully part of these guys' struggles are due to another DC and a new system

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Maybe .. but flat out pulling up and not hitting anyone. It's becoming quite frequent and obvious too. It's like they are almost afraid to get hurt at times.

On O side of ball it probably is talent with upperclassmen, except for Ross. It is primarily talent with Shump, Hollaway, Oline. Everyone else is pretty young.

ETA: So if I'm D coordinator I'd tell them whatever you decide to do, go balls out. Don't hesitate. We know the system is new to you and it will take some time to get it down pat but whatever you do ... go full speed and knock the shit outta someone dammit.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Maybe .. but flat out pulling up and not hitting anyone. It's becoming quite frequent and obvious too. It's like they are almost afraid to get hurt at times.

On O side of ball it probably is talent with upperclassmen, except for Ross. Shump, Hollaway, Oline. Everyone else is pretty young.

ETA: So if I'm D coordinator I'd tell them whatever you decide to do, go balls out. Don't hesitate. We know the system is new to you and it will take some time to get it down pat but whatever you do ... go full speed and hit someone dammit.

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I'm hoping a lot of the tentativeness on defense is a result of guys thinking too much with a new system

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm hoping a lot of the tentativeness on defense is a result of guys thinking too much with a new system

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Maybe you're right. So what do you think should happen after season with Sirmon & staff?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Maybe you're right. So what do you think should happen after season with Sirmon & staff?

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I think we need to stick with Sirmon and the defensive staff. We're breaking in a new system without some of the pieces we need to run, but still #6 in sec in total defense. I think adding some nice JUCOs and the guys returning to the same system could pay dividends next season.

I want turnover on offensive staff, not defensive

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think we need to stick with Sirmon and the defensive staff. We're breaking in a new system without some of the pieces we need to run, but still #6 in sec in total defense. I think adding some nice JUCOs and the guys returning to the same system could pay dividends next season.

I want turnover on offensive staff, not defensive

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I'll buy that. I'm really tired of D staff turnover and if the reason they're playing like this is as you say - then stick with it till they get it. I tended to think like you're thinking but some of the plays I've noticed have made me second guess that.

ETA: We may not have the personnel to run it against SEC W, but we do against 3 of the teams we've lost to. Without a doubt.