? I'm not sure Stricklin will want to face the crap coming in fb.
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? I'm not sure Stricklin will want to face the crap coming in fb.
Strick took one for the team enduring the rapid fire lambasting from the mad reporter in Sandestin.
He may haul ass on that point alone.
No, but if it was me our "fans" are.Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
You are absolutely the epitome of "head in the sand". It is the fans' fault that a man making $4M a year has a team that looks like a bad CUSA team. Liverpool to the rescue...Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I just want to try something different. Everything I see here is the same old crap we have always done. I HATE old MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
The team I see on the field today is the OLD MSU!Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Like the basketball ordeal we still haven't had a winning season after? Or what about everyone calling for johns head after going to a cws final series the year prior?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
What do you mean by that? We have had 3 coaches over the last 25 years. I am 40 years old, Jackie was hired when I was in junior high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
But isn't because JWS and Mullen have been successful for a number of years each the reason why we have only had 3? It's usually better to have fewer coaches over a long period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Exactly. I'm not even talking about getting rid of Mullen. I hope he turns it around, but I can see where Stricklin may opt to avoid the turmoil that this season is going to create.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Here's how it is going to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
Scott or whomever is going to support Dan publicly- as he should. Until the season is over- and then we will evaluate things at that point.
At the end of the day Scott will do whatever he needs to do, but we're going to have to suffer the rest of the year more than likely in the meantime.
Exactly. The problem isn't that we fire coaches too soon. It's that we usually that we keep them too long. A failing coach staying too long usually leads to 2-3 years of poor recruiting, which leads to a huge hole for the next coach. THAT is the old MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Every single coach we have had going back to the 50's has been at MSU for at least five years. We didn't even fire Charley Shira.
Croom is really the only coach we fired appropriately and I would say that turned out pretty well for a few years at least.
I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about our response to what we saw today. THAT has been the same for 60-70 years. Just once I would like us to try something different. I have full confidence we won't. We will can it all and start over again. It ain't never worked. Why would we expect it to THIS time?Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
Thanks for confirming my opinion Jr. Your age is exactly what I would have expected. I'm 52 by the way. You guys that cut your teeth during Jackie's good years and haven't studied MSU history have no clue how abnormal what Jackie did here during the good years was. You also equate what happened with Jackie under the relentless blitz by the UM controlled media at the end as the normal end for a coach, it ain't. We have a coach that has proven he can win here. He has NO real NCAA baggage. The damn confederates are about to get theirs. Let's stay the course for ONCE in our history. The same old crap has never worked, and I can't think of a better time to try something different.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
What response do you feel you would see from any other SEC West Team? Or, any SEC team not named Vandy, based on the season so far?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
That's just it, we ain't any other SEC west team. I'm a realist, a very rare thing among our internet fan base. We don't have their history, like it or not. Damn the Japs and the Nazis for that. Unless we cheat like Ole Miss, and let's face it we absolutely SUCK at that, stability and patience are the only way for us. If you want to bitch, bitch at what we pay our assistant coaches. To me THAT is our biggest stumbling block right now. I will give you that ONE particular offensive assistant needs to change or go. If he doesn't I ain't willing to throw out the baby with the bath water just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
Are you kidding me? Yeah you've got a good 12 years on me, congrats. Both my parents went to state, ive been going and watching since birth, literally. I remember before Jackie. MY POINT, which flew over your head like that bi plane thing during the foglesong years, is that we do not fire coaches prematurely. We never have. You are making that up to try to defend your defenseless position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
That response is ignorant as hell. You think you know better because you are older and wallowed through more shitty years then us younger fans. We have a proven head coach who has set a new standard. He is now not living up to it and appears to be on the down slope (I'm not in favor of any changes until the end of the year )Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Tell me this.. what would the results of the year take for you to want a change. If we only win 5 this year and don't win the last game of the year. We need to make a move.
And yet we have never had a coach that we let go that has had any success anywhere else- including McKeen. There is ZERO indication that we would have become a national type program had it not been for World War II. Everyone else had to deal with World War II at the time and most had to shut down their program for a year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Again, we have been too patient for too little success. You went to the Liberty Bowl and beat Ole Miss in the same season? LIFETIME CONTRACT! Again, you can't name a coach in your lifetime that has been at MSU for less that five years. Croom and Felker were both terrible- we have Felker FOUR seasons to have a winning season before letting him go. We didn't let Croom go after losing to Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky in the same season- or after 2006 where we went three games before scoring a touchdown and lost to Tulane.
We're the most patient fans in the SEC BY FAR. Most schools lose to South Alabama and want to run off the coach. We lose to South Alabama and half of our fans bring up Frank ****ing Beamer.
The way for us to be successful and AVOID this is to see the warning signs and make a change- like trying to leave every year, not giving 100% effort, lack of interest from the fanbase, and other warning signs. They are ALL there. Being patient is the WORST thing we can do because odds are those things are not going to change and the recruiting won't get any better creating a bigger hole for whomever takes over- and it also makes us less attractive to the next group of coaching candidates because they will see the garbage recruiting and not want to take over a major rebuild.