Can we use some logic for a second?

Lets look at the Turner departure from his perspective for a second.

He was not going to be a D.C. anytime soon, as evidenced by the Sirmon hire. He had a chance to go learn defense from probably the best DC around, Chavis. Given that he probably has aspirations to move up he figures that getting some experience under Chavis would help him add to his resume in the hopes of bolstering it for a move up to DC and eventually head coach.

Given that, what was Mullen supposed to do? Should he have made Turner a DC and hired a LB coach instead of Sirmon as DC?

Who knows? But the fact is yes its a lateral move to aTm but he has a chance to bolster his resume for a move up in the future and truthfully there was nothing Mullen could have done that would have been "smart" to keep Turner.

Here's Turner's resume. His longest stint anywhere is 4 years and the average is 2 years.

Coaching Experience

2013-present: Mississippi State (Defensive Line) ? 3 years
2010-12: Kentucky (Defensive Line) ? 3 years
2007-09: Mississippi State (Defensive Line) ? 3 years
2006: Alabama (Defensive Ends) ? 1
2002-05: Vanderbilt (Defensive Line / Recruiting Coordinator) ? 4 years
2001: Minnesota (Defensive Ends) 1
1997-2000: Virginia (Defensive Tackles / Linebackers) ? 4 years
1995-96: North Carolina State (Defensive Tackles / Linebackers) ? 2 years
1993-94: Kentucky (Defensive Ends) ? 2 years
1991-92: James Madison (Assistant Coach) ? 2 years
1990: Indiana University of Pennsylvania 1 year
1988-89: North Carolina State (Graduate Assistant)
1987: Davidson (Outside Linebackers)
1986: Davidson (Running Backs / Tight Ends

Still, the timing sucks and I don't like what this says about Mullen running through defensive assistants. While this represents 100% turnover on defensive staff, the offense is in tact.

I just think it's funny that Turner returned after working under Mullen in 09, then stayed for 3 years...but now that he's leaving for another job, it clearly shows Mullen is a d-bag who runs coaches off.

Everyone is always talking about how the bears spin everything positive and then we complain because we don't, but our fanbase won't even do it. If the bears were losing their coaches it would be "Hey look at us, we are so good everybody wants our coaches!", but we say "Our Head Coach sucks and he runs off all our coaches". We can never expect anyone else to spin things positive for us when we as a fanbase don't even do it. It amazes me, I've been in Sales and Marketing for 30 years and you have to spin everything to your advantage, even if its negative there's always a positive way to say it. Not us though. SMH.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I just think it's funny that Turner returned after working under Mullen in 09, then stayed for 3 years...but now that he's leaving for another job, it clearly shows Mullen is a d-bag who runs coaches off.

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Bull shit if he was that big of a D bag he would not have come back.

All these schools are coming after these guys. There are 1000's of coaches they could get but they are coming after Miss State coaches. Maybe it's because they are taking 2 and 3 star guys and turning them into NFL starters.

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Bull shit if he was that big of a D bag he would not have come back.

All these schools are coming after these guys. There are 1000's of coaches they could get but they are coming after Miss State coaches. Maybe it's because they are taking 2 and 3 star guys and turning them into NFL starters.

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I think you missed smoot's invisible *

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Bull shit if he was that big of a D bag he would not have come back.

All these schools are coming after these guys. There are 1000's of coaches they could get but they are coming after Miss State coaches. Maybe it's because they are taking 2 and 3 star guys and turning them into NFL starters.

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Please tell me you don't think my post was an actual criticism of Mullen.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Please tell me you don't think my post was an actual criticism of Mullen.

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Usually there are * in it. You are not negative. I just did not think. It's just this board has gone so far negative and there is so few positive post I get snow blind.

Jack's right, there is so few positive things mentioned on the board right now, it's hard to see. Contrary to popular belief the world is not ending and our football program will continue to win and prove the media wrong(and some of our own fans).

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Maybe it's because they are taking 2 and 3 star guys and turning them into NFL starters.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jack Lambert again.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Jack's right, there is so few positive things mentioned on the board right now, it's hard to see. Contrary to popular belief the world is not ending and our football program will continue to win and prove the media wrong(and some of our own fans).

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Preach it brother!

I always try to look for what goes to the right of the equal sign. There are some things being said about Mullen that just don't add up with what I see. I keep hearing Mullen is a lazy recruiter, yet he finds talent under rocks that other Coaches seem to miss, that to me says just the opposite. That to me would be the sign of somebody that's working his butt off to find talent. We keep hearing Mullen is a Yankee a**hole and that so many people can't stand him, yet all his players and former players appear to love him. Just watch the way they interact with him. You don't see players interact with Freeze or even Saban the way they act with Mullen. Just watch the end of the Arkansas game and the locker room afterwards(and thats just one example). There's some things being said about Mullen that just aren't adding up to what I see.

He got passed over for DC twice by Mullen. It should be obvious he was never going to be a DC under Mullen. He probably has aspirations to be a DC, so moving on is in his best interest. Stinks for us but it's the risk you take if you don't promote from within.

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He got passed over for DC twice by Mullen. It should be obvious he was never going to be a DC under Mullen. He probably has aspirations to be a DC, so moving on is in his best interest. Stinks for us but it's the risk you take if you don't promote from within.

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He has been a DL coach for 20 years and hasn't seemed to sniff DC anywhere. May be why he changes jobs every 3 years?

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I always try to look for what goes to the right of the equal sign. There are some things being said about Mullen that just don't add up with what I see. I keep hearing Mullen is a lazy recruiter, yet he finds talent under rocks that other Coaches seem to miss, that to me says just the opposite. That to me would be the sign of somebody that's working his butt off to find talent. We keep hearing Mullen is a Yankee a**hole and that so many people can't stand him, yet all his players and former players appear to love him. Just watch the way they interact with him. You don't see players interact with Freeze or even Saban the way they act with Mullen. Just watch the end of the Arkansas game and the locker room afterwards(and thats just one example). There's some things being said about Mullen that just aren't adding up to what I see.

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Very well said and sums up my opinion so much better than I have been able to express it. The bottom line is a lot of what is said/written about Mullen just doesn't add up with what I see regarding him, the program, the staff, and the players.

The bottom line here is, as pointed out elsewhere, Turner is just more of a nomad than a coach. Yeah, the timing sucks but I don't think it has anything to do with Mullen or the program in the grand scheme of things. He'll stay at TAMU for 2 years or so then move on elsewhere. I'm looking at this as a positive, in that this is a chance to get some more new blood into the program.

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Very well said and sums up my opinion so much better than I have been able to express it. The bottom line is a lot of what is said/written about Mullen just doesn't add up with what I see regarding him, the program, the staff, and the players.

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Yeah I tend to think for myself and form my own opinions off what I know to be fact and what I hear and observe. I'm afraid we have a lot of folks that are starting to believe what the media are saying instead of thinking for themselves. I'm not buying a lot of what is being sold. I by no means think Mullen is perfect but I do think he tries to address his weaknesses and I do believe he is getting better. Just look at the recent hires. Coaches that have had success recruiting nationally and coaches and staff that have tremendous ties within our state. I think he's putting together the best staff we have seen yet. I do think the OL issues need to be addressed, but overall i think he's growing and learning and doing a dang good job.

There are a lot more sheep, than shepherd's.

And really all you need is a good sheep dog.

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Originally Posted by Percho

There are a lot more sheep, than shepherd's.

And really all you need is a good sheep dog.

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Yep, nailed it.

Here's some logic for everyone. How many of you on this board would want to stick around a company with an arrogant boss who obviously plays favorites to others who are undeniably underperforming? You see it year in and year out, yet nothing changes. Something opens up, be it a lateral move, and you take it because you are sick and tired of seeing someone get rewarded for performing less than you have and you are getting passed over for promotions.

Some of you need to take the maroon glasses off and look at these situations as real world job environments. If any damn one of you enjoy or would enjoy the boss playing favorites to under performers, then you are and always be just a passive sheep who will get walked on throughout life.