Today is one of the worst days in MSU football history

We NEED Dan to leave- for his sake and for our sake.

People can spout all of the MSU football history that they want to- the fact of the matter is we have a coach that doesn't want to be here, is entitled, and doesn't get along with many of the big donors. And then we have an AD who won't do anything about it other than sit back and hope it all works out somehow. Basically the only thing Dan cares about at this point is his money that we are going to pay him. He doesn't care about anything else at this point. And go buy a ticket and go to the game if you don't believe me.

What does it say that your name is mentioned for job after job and then you get passed over for two assistants that have ZERO head coaching experience much less SEC head coaching experience?

Anyone that thinks that Dan staying somehow equals "program stability" is completely clueless at this point. What is going to happen is we are going to dig ourselves into a hole and we aren't going anywhere until something happens where we are given no choice but to fire Dan. 6-6 might very well be our ceiling next year. Think about that.

I love Nick Fitzgerald's upside- but we don't know if he can even come close to Dak in terms of leadership. Can he take over a game like Dak can at times? Who knows- but probably not. We're still going to run Holloway up the middle while our more talented backs watch and work on "their finer points of the game". Receivers should be good, but with Hevesy back I don't foresee any improvement on the o-line. He's not going to start anyone over Desper as long as Desper is healthy, and we're still going to have people out of position.

And then on defense, we're losing Chris Jones and Ryan Brown at a minimum- and possibly Nick James. All huge losses, but we'll be solid at LB. Of course we'll start Coman and Cleveland and they'll continue to get torched and or run over. So, we're going to be worse on defense everywhere except for LB- thanks for quitting Zach so we could upgrade.

So unless some miracle happens I expect it to get pretty ugly next year. I just wish we had someone in the AD with some balls to fix this shit. They'll figure it out when people stop showing up. Or we lose to someone like UMass because we don't have a coach that gives a shit.

"Mr. Todd4State...Mr. Todd4State, your lithium prescription is ready for pickup"...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K9 Avenger

"Mr. Todd4State...Mr. Todd4State, your lithium prescription is ready for pickup"...

---

You'll see what I'm talking about by this time next year- or earlier.

This is becoming insufferable, man. You post it in every thread, and now you're starting your own threads just to say it some more. We get it, you don't want Mullen here anymore. Noted.

Todd, I have liked a lot of your posts, especially around baseball, but I have to say you need to take a break and chill the **** out! You have taken this way too personally and it is coming across like your wife has been banging another dude and you want to divorce her. Now I'm not saying Mullen has done everything right or whatever, but I also get that now was the perfect time for a guy like him to strike with all of the prime jobs open. I actually don't blame him, but again, has it gone down exactly the right way? No. Did he possibly have words with Keenan or Strick? Who knows, but again, if he did most people who are confident in themselves would say FU I don't need this and start looking.

He started looking and no one wanted him, with his salary demands, his attitude, or whatever. But now he probably realized that his shit does stink and he has it pretty damn good in Starkvile. Dan would be stupid NOT to reset his mind, assuming everything played out like you and Coach 34 say, and commit himself to making MSU the best place possible and taking us to the next step. Why can he not become our Frank Beamer? Have some perspective on all of this and give the guy a break. He will re focus, go get some great recruits and OWN this job he has. Hail State!

really?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by smootness

This is becoming insufferable, man. You post it in every thread, and now you're starting your own threads just to say it some more. We get it, you don't want Mullen here anymore. Noted.

---

gonna get tired of writing these essays eventually you'd think if nothing else

@Todd I wrote the "nightmare" post on this scenario on Sunday, but a few things have come to light:

1. Dan isn't running from Starkville, he could have had the Maryland job and never interviewed per Stricklin.
2. Miami talked to him, he was 3rd on their board. That situation is now closed.

Literally nothing else is confirmed, although his agent shopped his name. Yes, he wants his name out there. Job season is going to be up in a few days and Dan will still be here. So what's next? Simple: Dan needs to win the bowl game and close strong on NSD. If he does those things, we're fine. If he doesn't, we're screwed. But you won't really know where we stand for about another month on the bowl and another 5 weeks until signing day. So here's what we should do: let these things play out. Bottom line, donors will forgive Dan if he delivers. Recruits don't care about message boards or backroom bullshit - all they see is that people said Dan was going to leave and he stayed. And he can say that it's been the same every year, which is true. Let's have the man do his job and see if he can improve. At this point, there's literally nothing else we can do and we ought to give him the benefit of the doubt given how wrong the Maryland reports were.

I mean, if somebody didn't know anything about our football program or athletics in general, they'd read that and go, man, that sounds like a train wreck. What did they do this year? Collapse into a disaster? Why didn't they fire a guy doing that poorly? And with an AD like that, their athletic department must be in shambles.

What's that? They went to the Orange Bowl last year, won 8 this year, and their athletic department is in the best shape it's ever been in? Hmm.....

Todd, I totally agree. For all the "building" that he has done in seven years, it will all crumble in the next seven months. Many think that this will autocorrect and be an afterthought in a few weeks. But there will be serious ramifications. Mullen has screwed up and firing Sallach or Hughes won't fix it!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bucky Dog

Todd, I have liked a lot of your posts, especially around baseball, but I have to say you need to take a break and chill the **** out! You have taken this way too personally and it is coming across like your wife has been banging another dude and you want to divorce her. Now I'm not saying Mullen has done everything right or whatever, but I also get that now was the perfect time for a guy like him to strike with all of the prime jobs open. I actually don't blame him, but again, has it gone down exactly the right way? No. Did he possibly have words with Keenan or Strick? Who knows, but again, if he did most people who are confident in themselves would say FU I don't need this and start looking.

He started looking and no one wanted him, with his salary demands, his attitude, or whatever. But now he probably realized that his shit does stink and he has it pretty damn good in Starkvile. Dan would be stupid NOT to reset his mind, assuming everything played out like you and Coach 34 say, and commit himself to making MSU the best place possible and taking us to the next step. Why can he not become our Frank Beamer? Have some perspective on all of this and give the guy a break. He will re focus, go get some great recruits and OWN this job he has. Hail State!

---

Very little he has done in the past has indicated that he would change his attitude. I'm not sure why you would expect that in year eight?

Todd is overreacting.

Dan was looking for a step up. No big deal. Doesn't mean he is unhappy here.

I'm not unhappy in my job, but I still keep an eye out for other opportunities. It would be stupid not to.

Most of all, Dan is a smart guy. He is not going to stink it up here and coach himself into a move to Memphis or Tulsa.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by randyholloway

@Todd I wrote the "nightmare" post on this scenario on Sunday, but a few things have come to light:

1. Dan isn't running from Starkville, he could have had the Maryland job and never interviewed per Stricklin.
2. Miami talked to him, he was 3rd on their board. That situation is now closed.

Literally nothing else is confirmed, although his agent shopped his name. Yes, he wants his name out there. Job season is going to be up in a few days and Dan will still be here. So what's next? Simple: Dan needs to win the bowl game and close strong on NSD. If he does those things, we're fine. If he doesn't, we're screwed. But you won't really know where we stand for about another month on the bowl and another 5 weeks until signing day. So here's what we should do: let these things play out. Bottom line, donors will forgive Dan if he delivers. Recruits don't care about message boards or backroom bullshit - all they see is that people said Dan was going to leave and he stayed. And he can say that it's been the same every year, which is true. Let's have the man do his job and see if he can improve. At this point, there's literally nothing else we can do and we ought to give him the benefit of the doubt given how wrong the Maryland reports were.

---

Unless we play a very marginal bowl team, I would be surprised if we won. I agree with you that donors and what not would forgive if Dan delivers. I just don't see it playing out like that.

I'm not worried about our recruiting class either one way or the other.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by smootness

I mean, if somebody didn't know anything about our football program or athletics in general, they'd read that and go, man, that sounds like a train wreck. What did they do this year? Collapse into a disaster? Why didn't they fire a guy doing that poorly? And with an AD like that, their athletic department must be in shambles.

What's that? They went to the Orange Bowl last year, won 8 this year, and their athletic department is in the best shape it's ever been in? Hmm.....

---

Ummm...no. The best shape it has been was when Byrne was here.

We're not a complete train wreck yet. But I'm in the distance a mile away and I can see the two trains headed towards each other.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

We NEED Dan to leave- for his sake and for our sake.

People can spout all of the MSU football history that they want to- the fact of the matter is we have a coach that doesn't want to be here, is entitled, and doesn't get along with many of the big donors. And then we have an AD who won't do anything about it other than sit back and hope it all works out somehow. Basically the only thing Dan cares about at this point is his money that we are going to pay him. He doesn't care about anything else at this point. And go buy a ticket and go to the game if you don't believe me.

What does it say that your name is mentioned for job after job and then you get passed over for two assistants that have ZERO head coaching experience much less SEC head coaching experience?

Anyone that thinks that Dan staying somehow equals "program stability" is completely clueless at this point. What is going to happen is we are going to dig ourselves into a hole and we aren't going anywhere until something happens where we are given no choice but to fire Dan. 6-6 might very well be our ceiling next year. Think about that.

I love Nick Fitzgerald's upside- but we don't know if he can even come close to Dak in terms of leadership. Can he take over a game like Dak can at times? Who knows- but probably not. We're still going to run Holloway up the middle while our more talented backs watch and work on "their finer points of the game". Receivers should be good, but with Hevesy back I don't foresee any improvement on the o-line. He's not going to start anyone over Desper as long as Desper is healthy, and we're still going to have people out of position.

And then on defense, we're losing Chris Jones and Ryan Brown at a minimum- and possibly Nick James. All huge losses, but we'll be solid at LB. Of course we'll start Coman and Cleveland and they'll continue to get torched and or run over. So, we're going to be worse on defense everywhere except for LB- thanks for quitting Zach so we could upgrade.

So unless some miracle happens I expect it to get pretty ugly next year. I just wish we had someone in the AD with some balls to fix this shit. They'll figure it out when people stop showing up. Or we lose to someone like UMass because we don't have a coach that gives a shit.

---

Todd... dude you have fully gone off the deep end. Step back and let it go...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

Todd... dude you have fully gone off the deep end. Step back and let it go...

---

Venting is part of "letting it go". I just hate to see us in this spot right now- and seeing what seems to be like an impending decline.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ummm...no. The best shape it has been was when Byrne was here.

We're not a complete train wreck yet. But I'm in the distance a mile away and I can see the two trains headed towards each other.

---

Please explain to me how we were better then.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Venting is part of "letting it go". I just hate to see us in this spot right now- and seeing what seems to be like an impending decline.

---

You are acting like we just got stuck with Croom.
Look if anything, Dan will be here 2 more years.. because Noone is likely to hire him next year while we are down in a rebuilding mode. Possibly but
if the jobs he was interested in didn't think he was qualified enough yet... He has to put up another 10 win season and Beat Bama or LSU again to show last year wasnt a fluke.


Who knows who we get matched up with in a Bowl game but hopefully with any distractions gone now he buckles down and sends Dak off right.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Venting is part of "letting it go". I just hate to see us in this spot right now- and seeing what seems to be like an impending decline.

---

in what spot exactly? possibly a 9 win team - were gonna lose some key guys but so does everyone. we have 2 damn good young QBs to come in and see what they can do. we might not be as good next year as the previous 2 - part of it. and all this rumor shit with Dan with have absolutely nothing to do with any of it - good or bad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ummm...no. The best shape it has been was when Byrne was here.

We're not a complete train wreck yet. But I'm in the distance a mile away and I can see the two trains headed towards each other.

---

You are talking crazy todd. You are saying Scott should fire Dan for this season and then looking around. That would be the WORST move in MSU History if it happened. It would be our Cutcliffe... Bower.... but worse.