Rick Ray apparently isnt the answer

Now, let's preface this by saying- getting rid of Stands was the right thing to do. He was let go for off the court drama- not because he was only winning 20 games. He lost control of the program.

Now then- we ended up with Rick Ray. He was left with a hole of a program and dumpster fire to put out. That buys you some time to rebuild and get things going again. And he got that with 2 free years.

It's Year 3- and we are losing to Tulane and then Arkansas State at home by double digits. That is no longer acceptable. There arent any excuses for that. Not in Year 3. I had patience. I had an open mind to give you a chance. But not Arkansas State by 14 points at home in Year 3- no Sir.

Mullen to MSU!*

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You don't say. It's about time you came around and tried to save face before it gets even worse.

The guy deserved a chance- he is proving now he is unable to do the job

Agreed. I think several of us just had a shorter leash. The worst part this year is several bought back in after the St. Louis win only to see us take 4 steps back (and counting).

Apathy has reached Croomesque proportions at this point. Hopefully we make a similar Mullen-like hire this next go round in basketball.

surely theres a small school coach somewhere, like a davidson, VCU, florida gulf coast type coach that we can get. this is the worst ive ever seen MSU basketball

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

surely theres a small school coach somewhere, like a davidson, VCU, florida gulf coast type coach that we can get. this is the worst ive ever seen MSU basketball

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It's been worse. We lost to Delta State in the late 80's

Coaches first public admittance of wrong in 11 years. Congrats. Admitting is the first sign.

That said, dead on. I could expand on a lot of this but it doesnt matter.

It doesnt matter who we hire.

Hire A recruiter .

Step 1 get players
Step 2 get players
Step 3 get players
Step 4 play defense

Done and done.

Our basketball supporters need to get back on board with basketball once we hire a new coach. When Newman signs elsewhere, that will be the final death nail. When I mean supporters, I don't mean the damn crowd in the Hump.

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

Our basketball supporters need to get back on board with basketball once we hire a new coach. When Newman signs elsewhere, that will be the final death nail. When I mean supporters, I don't mean the damn crowd in the Hump.

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I agree. At this point, I imagine it would take quite a bit of "support" to get Newman to State.

To my knowledge, Ray never talked to the one man that could have helped get him supporters in his court.

That could very well be a good thing now...

You are wise beyond your years, Engie.

I'm all aboard on the having to can stans. However can we totally stop using the dumpster fire reference? Everybody knows it was bad for poor Rick Ray and he got two free years and during those the dumpster fire reference was used so many times in defense Ray and it was warranted. I think everyone agreed on that, but that is over.

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Originally Posted by quickstrike2

I'm all aboard on the having to can stans. However can we totally stop using the dumpster fire reference? Everybody knows it was bad for poor Rick Ray and he got two free years and during those the dumpster fire reference was used so many times in defense Ray and it was warranted. I think everyone agreed on that, but that is over.

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To be fair, the program still appears to be a dumpster fire. Only it's Ray's dumpster fire now.

I thought we were playing well enough that getting some talent would cover the gap, but then Tulane, then OSU and now this. He's not going to get it done and there is no sense belaboring it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Now, let's preface this by saying- getting rid of Stands was the right thing to do. He was let go for off the court drama- not because he was only winning 20 games. He lost control of the program.

Now then- we ended up with Rick Ray. He was left with a hole of a program and dumpster fire to put out. That buys you some time to rebuild and get things going again. And he got that with 2 free years.

It's Year 3- and we are losing to Tulane and then Arkansas State at home by double digits. That is no longer acceptable. There arent any excuses for that. Not in Year 3. I had patience. I had an open mind to give you a chance. But not Arkansas State by 14 points at home in Year 3- no Sir.

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I was with you all the way. Thought he could get it done. Wanted to give him time. But I thought in year 3 we needed to start seeing some improvement. 4 straight losses with last night being the worst loss of his tenure here.

This seems to me to be very similar to the way Croom's 5 years played out. I think this year will be another bad year, but next year we would have 4 seniors and have a possibility to make the NIT (the equivalent of the Liberty Bowl) in year 4 just like Croom did in year 4. Then in year 5 we would get dominated again and Ray would have to go, again just like Croom.

Even though the legacy would be bad, the foundation would have been laid to bring in a new hire that can start from day 1 without any internal problems. Croom cleaned up Jackie's mess but we sucked on the field. Laid the groundwork for Mullen to be successful. Ray cleaned up Stansbury's mess, but we suck on the court. I think he too is laying the groundwork for someone else to come in here and be successful.

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Originally Posted by quickstrike2

I'm all aboard on the having to can stans. However can we totally stop using the dumpster fire reference? Everybody knows it was bad for poor Rick Ray and he got two free years and during those the dumpster fire reference was used so many times in defense Ray and it was warranted. I think everyone agreed on that, but that is over.

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Also, calling our program a dumpster fire is an insult to dumpster fires.*

Agree