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I think you get a better feel for people's tone and meaning watching video, something that is lacking in the written word. I think you can tell more from watching this than reading an article. Coach Turner does not talk like a man who engages in "coach-speak". The last minute of the interview seems brutally honest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMBgmO7gie4
I like Turner, but he's got to handle NJ different than he handles PJ or Eulls. They're very different people. If Nick James doesn't excel and dominate this year, it's on the coaches. I'm sorry, but sometimes you have to babysit some of these guys. It is what it is. That's why coaches get paid the big bucks.
On the coaches? I think not. Nick better use all of that God-given talent and play well. If he doesn't, that's on him. Period. This is not kindergarten. Nobody needs to babysit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
It's crazy that Nick is still a Soph.
I wish he'd step up, bc Turner won't throw him a bone. And without PT, he will end up quitting or transferring. I'm pulling for the guy. Still plenty of time to be a stud. He's gotta make that decision between the ears, we all know the talent is there
I can't agree with this. Nick James is accountable for himself. Coaches can only motivate and put a player in position to make a play. Coaches can't make a kid love football, and I think that is what we are dealing with here. We are dealing with a very talented young man that simply doesn't love football enough perform at a high level, not matter what the coaches do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Coaches accountable for Wins, losses, player discipline, program status, recruiting, etc... but not for developing players. Got it. Thanks guys.
I usually agree w u hack, but the reason he's still here is because we babysit his ass. There is only so much u can do. At some point it's on the kid. Can't turn this into the nutt era in oxford where u just do wtf u want to do. He has super ability, but we can't make him drink- only lead him to the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
This is absurd. Have you ever coached? Human beings are limited. It's why really good parents sometimes raise really crappy kids. A coach can't make a player love football. That is a personal decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Nick James has come a long way, and the coaches are developing him, but it's going to be really tough for him to get over the hump, unless he loves playing football. Coaches can't make him do it. Players aren't robots.
Of course they're responsible for developing players, and they've done a fantastic job of it. And great coaches are generally able to push the right buttons on different kinds of personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
But no coach can ever make it work across the board for everybody. For some people, there's nothing you can do. To act like babysitting James would make him blossom into an elite football player is absurd. I get that there are nuances, and you can't just treat everybody the exact same, but a coach can't force or convince anybody to do anything.
Yeah, you've developed numerous guys into much more than anyone ever thought possible, but if Nick James doesn't become a stud, then you failed.
Quay is gone and James isn't living up to expectations under Turner. two five stars that OUR COACHES CHOSE to recruit and sign. Period. End of story. Develop them, or your failed.
Do you think Quay Evans would have become anything under Nick Saban?Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
And just for clarification, this isn't him reconfirming his original point; this is the original interview.
I don't think he's not being honest, I just think he's a tough coach who expects a certain level, and he's saying he needs to give more. It could be that once James gets a taste of success, it pushes him over the edge to giving it everything he has.
But the fact that he's still on the team, still working, and Turner is willing to talk about him is a good sign.
Damn, we just had this fight a day or two ago. Turner is the ultimate coach speak coach on staff. Hell, just last fall camp he said CJ was just ok and had a long way to go. All CJ did was become our best DT and make a name for himself as one of the rising stars in the SEC. NJ will be just fine. If he wasn't doing what the coaches asked of him, he'd be gone. Ask Quay Evans.
I have- and the truth is somewhere in the middle of all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You have to be creative and find different ways to motivate. Turner is a hardass, no nonsense guy. At the same time- there are guys that simply cant be reached no matter what you do. Humans are an interesting bunch and why there have been millions of books written about them.
Things we know as fact:
Turner is a really good DL coach
Nick James has NFL ability but a 10 cent head
It will be a damn shame if we dont get something out of him
that's my issue. we damn sure better get at least 1 good year out of him or else the coaches failed in their evaluation, development, and retention of him. I think he's going to surprise people. He's a freak of an athlete at 300+ pounds. If you can't work with that, after recruiting and signing him, it's on the staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Quay, it's on him. he was dismissed after too much BS.
The coaches job is to put his players in a position to succeed. You can ride a kid and push him all you want but if he doesn't execute and make the most of his opportunity it's nobody's fault but his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Let's wait a little while longer before we start throwing dirt on Nick. He did make it thru about 6 months with little to none contact with the team. He looked good to me in the spring. And it looks like he is the best shape he has been in since he has been here..
I think so too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
By your standard coaches should never take calculated risks. Both quay and nick wet question marks as far as attitude. It will be bad if they don't get anything out of either, but doesn't mean they failed. Talked to several peoples that knew nick James in high school that are shocked he's worked hard enough to make it this far. I don't think it's on throw he's if the switch never flips for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
This doesn't look like a guy who doesn't love the game.
https://vine.co/v/M9WnbdEQ5Jv
https://vine.co/v/M9H9eU5aw6E