Let Lebby build

By no means am I a football guru. But I think Lebby is our guy. The most important thing our football program needs right now is stability. It doesnt matter how much money we throw at players, what kind of lights and music we utilize at games, or rather or not we need to play "Don't Stop Believing" at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We need foundation. And I honestly think Lebby is the guy who can build that foundation for us, and then we can throw all the money we have to build up from there. We definitely need more NIL and I wish I was the guy who could donate millions. But I don't think you can pay guys to come play somewhere when they don't know who their coach will be year in and year out. We realky haven't had any stability since 2017 and that is a program killer. I really hope Lebby is our man. Hail State!

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

By no means am I a football guru. But I think Lebby is our guy. The most important thing our football program needs right now is stability. It doesnt matter how much money we throw at players, what kind of lights and music we utilize at games, or rather or not we need to play "Don't Stop Believing" at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We need foundation. And I honestly think Lebby is the guy who can build that foundation for us, and then we can throw all the money we have to build up from there. We definitely need more NIL and I wish I was the guy who could donate millions. But I don't think you can pay guys to come play somewhere when they don't know who their coach will be year in and year out. We realky haven't had any stability since 2017 and that is a program killer. I really hope Lebby is our man. Hail State!

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Wins are what matters and he has another golden opportunity tomorrow. He's blown 3 of them already, will he blow 4? I hope not but all we can do it watch and see at this point.

I agree with OP. Lebby needs time. Wins are all that matter in this business, but you have to have the opportunity to get in and recruit and build. We have had a rocky time of it since the moment Mullen left for Florida and we incorrectly hired an OC whose only accomplishment is he coached Saquon Barkley for a season or two. We have switched head coaches too much since then.
Morehead - 2 years
Leach died after 3 years, one being Covid.
Arnette, 1 year.
Lebby year 0 and year 1.

This guy has us on the edge of being 7-1 right now against a difficult schedule. I understand our schedule is always going to be difficult. We are literally 3-5 plays away from 7-1 right now.

Lebby shouldn't even be considered for firing until after 2027 at the earliest, and it needs to be strategically done.

Another thing people need to realize is a lot of experienced coaches did not want to walk into the shit show we had going in 2024. It was a total train wreck. They wanted a program with more stability.

If we part ways with Lebby next year he will leave the next coach in a much better position than he had starting out.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Another thing people need to realize is a lot of experienced coaches did not want to walk into the shit show we had going in 2024. It was a total train wreck. They wanted a program with more stability.

If we part ways with Lebby next year he will leave the next coach in a much better position than he had starting out.

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And if we fire Lebby no experienced coach will take it this time either. That would be 4 HCs in 5 years. That's not stability.

Lebby is getting Year 3 unless he's fired because of an off the field issue or takes another job. We can't just keep firing coaches every year or two and thinking we are going to get a better coach every time. Now, with Arnett, it was obvious. We could've pulled a fan out of the stands and gotten similar results. We had to make that move because it was a mistake to panic hire him in the first place.

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

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Originally Posted by msugolf

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

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Yeah, it was that offense in the fourth quarter missing field goals, not tackling punt returners and getting roughing the passer penalties.

The offense is not the problem.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

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His offense works fine. We're scoring at a great clip. Last week was a learning experience. Our D has to learn to not make stupid penalties and our ST has to learn not to punt the ball to the best punt returner in the conference.

Offensively we played well enough to win. You have to learn how to win. We're learning tough lessons right now. But you can't be pissed at the losses and not also acknowledge how improved we are. We weren't in games in the 4th quarter last year. We've been in every game this year, even A&M. The wins are coming and after the first one happens, we're going to get a lot really quickly

The problem with the building thesis is every year is a building year after losing some to graduation and many hitting the portal. We will always be bringing in a few high schoolers and lots of portal players. Perhaps next year’s portal professional athletes will be better and we in turn win a couple of SEC games. But it’s going to always be a struggle.

Lebby came here in a time of need and showed faith in the program. We ought to show him some back even if times get frustrating. Good post Glasses

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Yeah, it was that offense in the fourth quarter missing field goals, not tackling punt returners and getting roughing the passer penalties.

The offense is not the problem.

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It was definitely our offenses fault and their inability to pick up first downs and chew up clock that wore down the defense. His offense wants to move fast and hit explosive plays. That is a recipe for disaster in this league for close games in the 4th quarter. This simple draw running scheme will keep yielding the same results at the end of the close games

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Originally Posted by msugolf

It was definitely our offenses fault and their inability to pick up first downs and chew up clock that wore down the defense. His offense wants to move fast and hit explosive plays. That is a recipe for disaster in this league for close games in the 4th quarter. This simple draw running scheme will keep yielding the same results at the end of the close games

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That lack of depth shows the shit show he walked into.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

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If the offense works in quarters 1,2, and 3 then it will work on the 4th. Show me a team that doesnt have 3 and outs and I will show you the best team to ever play. I agree his offense works fast and is explosive but Lebby can't execute the plays for them. It comes down to the in-game pressure which is 100% real. And the 4th quarter exaggerates that pressure especially when you're in the verge of beating top ranked teams in the country. And the only way to overcome that is to learn how to win. The more you lose, the more that pressure builds and every 4th quarter gets harder to win. It's not Lebby's offense.. it's this team not knowing how to win. But when we get that win, hopefully it's "watch out" from there!

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

The problem with the building thesis is every year is a building year after losing some to graduation and many hitting the portal. We will always be bringing in a few high schoolers and lots of portal players. Perhaps next year’s portal professional athletes will be better and we in turn win a couple of SEC games. But it’s going to always be a struggle.

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I agree it's always going to be a struggle. But every team goes through that. Hopefully with all the coaching turnover we can really build a strong portal class this off season.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

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Our offense isn't an issue.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

It was definitely our offenses fault and their inability to pick up first downs and chew up clock that wore down the defense. His offense wants to move fast and hit explosive plays. That is a recipe for disaster in this league for close games in the 4th quarter. This simple draw running scheme will keep yielding the same results at the end of the close games

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You know what else will help the defense stay off the field? Not roughing the passer on fourth down.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

If the offense works in quarters 1,2, and 3 then it will work on the 4th. Show me a team that doesnt have 3 and outs and I will show you the best team to ever play. I agree his offense works fast and is explosive but Lebby can't execute the plays for them. It comes down to the in-game pressure which is 100% real. And the 4th quarter exaggerates that pressure especially when you're in the verge of beating top ranked teams in the country. And the only way to overcome that is to learn how to win. The more you lose, the more that pressure builds and every 4th quarter gets harder to win. It's not Lebby's offense.. it's this team not knowing how to win. But when we get that win, hopefully it's "watch out" from there!

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We were outscored 24-0. The offense was a problem in 4th quarter. You have to manage the game. Get a first down on 4-1 on our side of the field mind you and game over. D didn't execute late either but coaching lost that game pure and simple.

But Lebby is doing some good things. Now he has to learn situational coaching and fast.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Our offense isn't an issue.

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It was in the 4th just like the D. Both sucked 24-0 that is fact.

The term "Learning to Win" has always bothered me. Especially in this day of NIL and the portal. Now, it's the coaches' roster as the roster at the majority of schools is turned over often by 40 or so new players every year. You don't think the majority of the players were on winning programs in high school, junior college, or even the college program they left after a year or so to get more playing time or escape being on the bench buried on a depth chart? Learning to win also applies to younger college head coaches when it comes to game management, play calling, clock management, etc. Show improvement by winning tomorrow. If we win tomorrow, Missouri could be number 6 as their first-string quarterback is out for the year.

I agree with another poster, Lebby's offense can score quickly, but when only a few points are scored in the 4th quarter or too many 3 and outs, the defense gets worn out in the fourth quarter. He had this same issue when he was OC at OM. I expect growth for him as a head coach, but 0-8 and 0-16 will not be satisfactory (but we were close won't get it in present or future conversations.) He will get year 3, but winning says it all. BTW, we have been outscored 65-37 combined in the 4th quarter of our 4 SEC losses to date.

Lebby's only mistake against Texas was continuing to go fast and not burning clock in the 4th. Snapping the ball with 25 seconds when you have a 17 point lead in the 4th Q is stupid. You drain that clock and limit possessions.

Our lack of depth and stupidity caused the bad penalty, long plays, and ST TD