NCAA Rule Change Would Permit Direct Payment to Athletes - Your Thoughts?

Per the news:

In a major move that would allow schools to start directly paying their athletes, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors proposed deleting 153 rules from its handbook as part of nine potential legislative changes at a Monday meeting.

The proposals are pending approval of the $2.8 billion House settlement reached last year of three separate antitrust cases against the NCAA and college sports' power conferences. The proposals include name image and likeness compensation and regulation, a change from scholarship limits to roster limits, eligibility standards and the creation of a legal entity to oversee enforcement of the updated athlete compensation rules in Division I.

If the settlement is approved, the NCAA said schools would have until June 15 to decide whether to opt in to provide benefits for the coming academic year, with the proposal slated to take effect July 1. Per the settlement, schools that opt in would begin sharing $20.5 million per year with its athletes beginning in August, ending many of the NCAA's longstanding rules of amateurism.


Your thoughts please!!!

I personally hate it but others on this board will no doubt love it!

You hate someone getting fair market value for their labor? You need to find another country if capitalism ain't your speed.

Here are my thoughts.....

MSU is done as a competitive D1 athletic program. Key word..."competitive". We can continue to be a middle of the row, average team with the hopes of cracking the top 25 every once in a while. What we can't allow, is for attempting to fund athletics to be a bottom feeder amongst the SEC to cause our academics to suffer.

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Originally Posted by Tater

You hate someone getting fair market value for their labor? You need to find another country if capitalism ain't your speed.

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Fair market value??? LOLOLOLOL. They get a scholarship. Right now, if college football was aerospace, we pay a freshman who is taking Physics 1 and Calculus 1 what a senior level NASA manager is paid. Fair market value??? LOLOLOLOL

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Fair market value??? LOLOLOLOL. They get a scholarship.

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A scholarship is a blanket communist / socialist approach. Everyone gets exactly the same no matter what their role / sport is. I'm told in theory this destroys exceptionalism and the American dream. Imagine if we all got the same salary whether we were CEO, Janitor, or Secretary at a company. That's what college sports traditionally were.

If you don't like it being torn down, then you're against a capitalist policy. If you like the status quo then you want communism.

These are statements of facts - not endorsements. Fair market value means each person can negotiate for more or the school can negotiate for less if you don't provide value. Capitalism 101.

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Here are my thoughts.....

MSU is done as a competitive D1 athletic program. Key word..."competitive". We can continue to be a middle of the row, average team with the hopes of cracking the top 25 every once in a while. What we can't allow, is for attempting to fund athletics to be a bottom feeder amongst the SEC to cause our academics to suffer.

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How is that different than our entire history ???

Scholarships vary based on potential. Everyone doesn't get a full paid scholarship. I'm not sure of the percentages, but a true full paid scholarship is probably only given to about 1% (or less) of the academic student base. So, your argument is not facts.

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Here are my thoughts.....

MSU is done as a competitive D1 athletic program. Key word..."competitive". We can continue to be a middle of the row, average team with the hopes of cracking the top 25 every once in a while. What we can't allow, is for attempting to fund athletics to be a bottom feeder amongst the SEC to cause our academics to suffer.

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Win 6-8 games a year in football and a consistent NCAA tourney team with an occasional Sweet 16 run. Once every 10 years the stars align and you have a really big year in one of those sports. If we do good in other sports, that's gravy. That's my goal for State under the new "system" and with good leadership I believe it's very realistic.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

How is that different than our entire history ???

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Well, we are entering a realm where we are about to be even more insignificant than anytime in our past.

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Well, we are entering a realm where we are about to be even more insignificant than anytime in our past.

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I fully disagree. If done correctly, rev share (the 20.5 million) will create more parity than ever before. The key will be limiting what players can get through NIL on top of the rev share payments they get. The new third party vendor that will review all NIL deals for "true market value" will be huge. If they actually limit it and do away with pay for play via NIL, parity will be created like never before. And with the vendo being court sanctioned as part of the House settlement, my hope is that the vendor's ruling will have teeth to it and be clear of antitrust challenges.

I?m for whatever regulation takes the burden of paying players off the back of the fans.

NIL came about because schools were making huge sums of money and athletes couldn?t. Now schools are still making huge sums of money but the fans have to foot the bill to pay the athletes and for all the items we were paying for previously (tickets, parking, club fees, etc). Make it make sense

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Fair market value??? LOLOLOLOL. They get a scholarship. Right now, if college football was aerospace, we pay a freshman who is taking Physics 1 and Calculus 1 what a senior level NASA manager is paid. Fair market value??? LOLOLOLOL

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So in the "real world", if one employee is making $45k per year but is a Social Media manager responsible for $10 Mil in sales. Another company wants to hire the person and give them $150k, they shouldn't be allowed to take the job?

At the end of the day, sports is the Marketing arm for the university. I would say Johnny Manziel was probably worth at least $50 Mil to A&M in sales, marketing, and donations.

There has to be some end in sight because it is killing college sports but true Right wing politics should say no to regulations and expect the market to dictate similar to what happened to Nico Iamaleva.

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Here are my thoughts.....

MSU is done as a competitive D1 athletic program. Key word..."competitive". We can continue to be a middle of the row, average team with the hopes of cracking the top 25 every once in a while. What we can't allow, is for attempting to fund athletics to be a bottom feeder amongst the SEC to cause our academics to suffer.

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Academics needs to get off the tit known as SEC TV monies. Leave the sports money to the sports.

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Originally Posted by Tater

You hate someone getting fair market value for their labor? You need to find another country if capitalism ain't your speed.

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But antitrust regulations, which is what is driving all of the court decisions, are anti capitalism and anti free market.
In a true free market, you start your own entity and compete against the entity you allege is a monopoly, not complain that the entity you allege is a monopoly should be treated differently because it is successful.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

So in the "real world", if one employee is making $45k per year but is a Social Media manager responsible for $10 Mil in sales. Another company wants to hire the person and give them $150k, they shouldn't be allowed to take the job?

At the end of the day, sports is the Marketing arm for the university. I would say Johnny Manziel was probably worth at least $50 Mil to A&M in sales, marketing, and donations.

There has to be some end in sight because it is killing college sports but true Right wing politics should say no to regulations and expect the market to dictate similar to what happened to Nico Iamaleva.

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It is why this 3rd party thing that the NCAA thinks will curtail NIL is BS. Like how are they going to say to a school, no Player A is not worth the 5 million you are offering him. He is only worth 2. They will be sued into oblivion, and lose. A salary cap is truly the only way to stop this because even with the 20 million stuff that each school is allotting to it there will still be other funds from collectives.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I fully disagree. If done correctly, rev share (the 20.5 million) will create more parity than ever before. The key will be limiting what players can get through NIL on top of the rev share payments they get. The new third party vendor that will review all NIL deals for "true market value" will be huge. If they actually limit it and do away with pay for play via NIL, parity will be created like never before. And with the vendo being court sanctioned as part of the House settlement, my hope is that the vendor's ruling will have teeth to it and be clear of antitrust challenges.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It is why this 3rd party thing that the NCAA thinks will curtail NIL is BS. Like how are they going to say to a school, no Player A is not worth the 5 million you are offering him. He is only worth 2. They will be sued into oblivion, and lose. A salary cap is truly the only way to stop this because even with the 20 million stuff that each school is allotting to it there will still be other funds from collectives.

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The idea is that this third party's ruling will be upheld because it is court sanctioned and because the players agreed to abide by it as part of the House settlement. We will see.

Ok, when are they going to make athletes employees.

Good start. Now unionize, and have contracts, salary caps, and revenue sharing.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Good start. Now unionize, and have contracts, salary caps, and revenue sharing.

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That is the only way to save it. You have to have contracts so when Bama wants Kamario Taylor in 2 years, there is a $10 Mil buyout before he is eligible to play for them.