I don't see a game thread for MBB vs 1-6 Southern

[PMDawg]

But we are struggling mightily. Looks like the old "offense" is back for a while. Not sure how we can go from so good to so bad so fast.

[msstate7]

All we do is shoot 3s, and we're a horrible 3-pt shooting team

[PMDawg]

All we do is shoot 3s, and we're a horrible 3-pt shooting team

That's because they are not taught any offensive sets or plays. It's just play good defense and hope it turns into easy buckets. But it never does. You would think we could learn a few different offensive plays.

[PMDawg]

Man, we suck.

[msstate7]

3rd straight game we've been really bad.

[EdwardDrayton]

Another game we're just going through the motions. WTH

[Activated Alpha]

I haven't watched a single game since last year or maybe even the year before that. Tuned in briefly just us to cough it up back-to-back-to-back positions. Turned it off after that. We are still a very bad team that won't make it very far

[PMDawg]

I haven't watched a single game since last year or maybe even the year before that. Tuned in briefly just us to cough it up back-to-back-to-back positions. Turned it off after that. We are still a very bad team that won't make it very far

Yeah, I'm afraid this is always going to be us under Jans. He'll assemble what looks like a talented roster, we'll have flashes of being really good, then we'll regress to really bad, and we'll be a few places on either side of the bubble most years, and just really bad every few years.

[msugolf]

Tried to tell folks to get ready for ugly basketball when we hired Jans. This is always how his teams have played. If we wanted to win with offense we needed to look at someone like Richey (Furman).

Don?t get me wrong I like Jans but as much as he requires on the defensive end he is completely the opposite on offense. Zero accountability on that end of the floor and no real sense of roles. Poor shot selection from the wrong players, lack of movement, bad positioning. Only thing that covers it up is to have one player step up and take over a game which happened with Hubbard earlier and Tolu a lot last year.

[EdwardDrayton]

The zero accountability on offense is a recurring problem.

[DawgFromOxford]

Yeah, I'm afraid this is always going to be us under Jans. He'll assemble what looks like a talented roster, we'll have flashes of being really good, then we'll regress to really bad, and we'll be a few places on either side of the bubble most years, and just really bad every few years.

So we got a younger Ben Howland?

[msstate7]

I'm pissed about this 2+ game stretch, but I don't have the outlook of you guys. I think we're a good team that's just in a funk.

[msugolf]

So we got a younger Ben Howland?

Pretty much, except not as good of a recruiter

[PMDawg]

I'm pissed about this 2+ game stretch, but I don't have the outlook of you guys. I think we're a good team that's just in a funk.

We're good enough to be a 5 seed +/- 1 seed, but we'll be sweating selection Sunday, hoping we're on the right side of the bubble. That's my guess.

[State82]

I tried but it is damn near unwatchable.

[EdwardDrayton]

I'm pissed about this 2+ game stretch, but I don't have the outlook of you guys. I think we're a good team that's just in a funk.

We're definitely capable and likely will get back to form. But this stretch is certainly cringeworthy.

[msstate7]

Taylor, I love the unselfishness, but shoot open 3s

[msugolf]

Taylor, I love the unselfishness, but shoot open 3s

And our guys refuse to pass it back out to him when he is on the wing

[Turfdawg67]

Yeah, I'm afraid this is always going to be us under Jans. He'll assemble what looks like a talented roster, we'll have flashes of being really good, then we'll regress to really bad, and we'll be a few places on either side of the bubble most years, and just really bad every few years.

And you base that off of one year and 10 games?? Lolz

Geez people, we were a "Sweet 16" team 4 games ago. We are fine, just in a funk. GT, our 1 loss, just beat Duke.

[Bothrops]

People think we can hire a better coach than Jans now....that hilarious.

[msstate7]

Why hasn't fort played today?

[PMDawg]

We lose this at home and we're not going to the tournament

[99jc]

this team is not that good.

[RockyDog]

Fire Jans and Purcell. Get rid of Cohen’s trash.

[msstate7]

Jans called back-to-back TOs and couldn't get a score on either one. Jans is a worse OC than barbay

[RocketDawg]

We're gonna lose. Can't shoot the close-in shots.

[99jc]

Fire Jans and Purcell. Get rid of Cohen’s trash.

shut up u 17ing whore

[Turfdawg67]

I take that back... eek.

[Quaoarsking]

What a disgrace. Q4 loss at home.

[msstate7]

Jans called back-to-back TOs and couldn't get a score on either one. Jans is a worse OC than barbay

Make it 3

[LC Dawg]

That's completely unacceptable.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Was that a 14-2 run to end the game?

[99jc]

we just got beat at home to a 1-6 piece of shit team.

[maroonmania]

RESUME KILLER

[civildawg]

Two embarrassing loses. This season could spiral

[maroonmania]

Two embarrassing loses. This season could spiral

Doesn't even look like the same team post-Thanksgiving

[ZedFedder]

NO BUENO

[msstate7]

4 of 5 games we've shot below 30% from 3, but sure, let's keep heaving em up. Jans is a great defensive coach, but he can't coach offense for shif

[RocketDawg]

Well, we won't be ranked this week. Maybe that'll light a fire.

[Quaoarsking]

Two embarrassing loses. This season could spiral

Not even in the same universe. Georgia Tech is one of the lower P5 teams, but Southern isn't a top 300 team.

[RockyDog]

shut up u 17ing whore

Asshole. Can’t handle the truth? Jans sucks and this team will play in front of an empty Dump for the rest of the season.

[EdwardDrayton]

Simply inexcusable.

[Joebob]

Good grief people, the world has not come to an end. This was a terrible loss, but we just need to get our shit together. And we will. And you guys that think Jans has suddenly become Barbay need to get a grip.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Im no expert but you dont lose at home to Southern U without some internal issues going on

[RocketDawg]

State should have dominated, and then didn't even score in the last 5 game minutes. Not a good look.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Yeah this loss likely just killed any tourney hopes, completely inexcusable. That was Rick Ray bad….

[msstate7]

Good grief people, the world has not come to an end. This was a terrible loss, but we just need to get our shit together. And we will. And you guys that think Jans has suddenly become Barbay need to get a grip.

Dude, the offense is a problem. It has been since he got here. Doesn't mean we can't win bc we have

[Tripp McNeely]

Dashawn forcing 2 garbage shots on those next to last 2 possessions was killer...we NEED Tolu back...now!

[maroonmania]

Good grief people, the world has not come to an end. This was a terrible loss, but we just need to get our shit together. And we will. And you guys that think Jans has suddenly become Barbay need to get a grip.

Nobody said the world has come to an end, but that is absolutely the type loss that will keep you out of the NCAA tournament if you are on the bubble and is an RPI killer. BY FAR the worst loss Jans has had while at MSU.

[99jc]

Asshole. Can’t handle the truth? Jans sucks and this team will play in front of an empty Dump for the rest of the season.

no you're a 17ing rebel for sure ass wipe.

[msstate7]

State should have dominated, and then didn't even score in the last 5 game minutes. Not a good look.

We have been bad 3 straight games. It's time to sound the alarm if we wanna make the tourney this season.

[Joebob]

Dude, the offense is a problem. It has been since he got here. Doesn't mean we can't win bc we have

Yes, it's definitely a problem. But it was worse last year. And we've still got Tolu coming back. We'll be fine.

[Bothrops]

Our guys were absolutely unmotivated, but even then should have won the game by 12-15 points. Hubbard doesn't even look like a good player now, wtf is this???

[Charlie_Sheen420]

This was an easy win, we outsized them all over, just feed into the paint to Matthews and Bell and get easy 2s….no let’s just shoot 3s….dumbass coaching

[civildawg]

I was actually looking forward to attending a few games this year but not now. That loss is just unacceptable and Jan's has lost all goodwill he's built up with me

[klong-dog]

We get no production from S.Moore anymore. Thought he had an unbelievable off season and was going to be a difference maker. He's non existent out there.

[RockyDog]

no you're a 17ing rebel for sure ass wipe.

Kiss my ass you 17n loser. You can go suck a Rebel.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Yes, it's definitely a problem. But it was worse last year. And we've still got Tolu coming back. We'll be fine.
Tolu isn’t fixing this mess and the damage will be done by the time he does play, this is a Q4 loss, a TERRIBLE loss

[IngomarDawg]

This team is just not good. Fools gold to start the year.

[maroonmania]

Yes, it's definitely a problem. But it was worse last year. And we've still got Tolu coming back. We'll be fine.

We didn't have a loss near this bad last year. If we had we wouldn't have even made the play in game.

[EdwardDrayton]

It's coaching AND players. Not just coaching.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Im no expert but you dont lose at home to Southern U without some internal issues going on
Seems like since #3 came back this team has not had any fire.

[msstate7]

OM is better than us at every sport now. I thought we were about to separate in MBK, but then beard lost his mind

[Charlie_Sheen420]

It's coaching AND players. Not just coaching.
Yeah and it could get real ugly really fast

[Saltydog]

A 26 point favorite loses at home to a 1-6 SWAC team. Lol.......Perfect example of why you should never get too emotionally invested in Mississippi State sports. This is a BAD loss.

[Turfdawg67]

After DJ's dunk at the 4:28 mark...

- Jones missed 3pt
- Jeffries turnover
- Hubbard missed 3pt
- Jeffries turnover
- Davis missed jumper
- Davis missed layup
- Davis missed jumper
- Hubbard missed jumper (blocked)

[msstate7]

After DJ's dunk at the 4:28 mark...

- Jones missed 3pt
- Jeffries turnover
- Hubbard missed 3pt
- Jeffries turnover
- Davis missed jumper
- Davis missed layup
- Davis missed jumper
- Hubbard missed jumper (blocked)

3 of those were set up by Jans TO

[Turfdawg67]

A 26 point favorite loses at home to a 1-6 SWAC team. Lol.......Perfect example of why you should never get too emotionally invested in Mississippi State sports. This is a BAD loss.

Horrible. Look great, get ranked, look like shit and lose 2 of 3... lol. Thanks again mom and dad... always misery.

[Turfdawg67]

3 of those were set up by Jans TO

Well, he can't shoot it for them.

[msstate7]

Well, he can't shoot it for them.

Sure, but maybe he could draw up a play to use our big time size advantage

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Sure, but maybe he could draw up a play to use our big time size advantage
Exactly, we could have used our size in the paint all game and we didn’t….dumbass coaching

[IngomarDawg]

How are we this cursed as a fan base? As soon as we buy in and are excited, the team completely pisses down their leg and isn?t worth watching?

[HoopsDawg]

Wow...wow

[R2Dawg]

Horrible loss; I really thought our basketball team would save face for Bulldog nation this year.

[defiantdog]

The team should immediately run laps after that. Make the coaches run too

[Charlie_Sheen420]

How are we this cursed as a fan base? As soon as we buy in and are excited, the team completely pisses down their leg and isn?t worth watching?
I don’t think anyone needs to worry about filling the Hump now, when is baseball season? I want to just get all my hopes dashed before Christmas please….

[msstate7]

Anyone know why fort didn't play? Maybe this has something to do with our spiral to a trash heap.

[HoopsDawg]

Sure, but maybe he could draw up a play to use our big time size advantage

Jans can't coach offense or recruit. Thank goodness Kermit got fired or we wouldn't have Hubbard

[EdwardDrayton]

Horrible. Look great, get ranked, look like shit and lose 2 of 3... lol. Thanks again mom and dad... always misery.

LOL! Wish my folks were still alive so I could see their faces when I rolled that one out!!!

[R2Dawg]

How are we this cursed as a fan base? As soon as we buy in and are excited, the team completely pisses down their leg and isn?t worth watching?

It does seem this way doesn't it.

[EdwardDrayton]

How are we this cursed as a fan base? As soon as we buy in and are excited, the team completely pisses down their leg and isn?t worth watching?

We older folks been living this our entire lives. It never gets easy.

[HoopsDawg]

Horrible loss; I really thought our basketball team would save face for Bulldog nation this year.

Trying not to be a prisoner of the moment but that was a top 5 all time loss. Southern was 309 in the ratings. Killer.

[CaptainObvious]

He has to purge the returners starting with DJ Jeffries. I don't think he could beat 5 foot 3 inch Parke-Lane off the dribble. He is a cancer. Matthew's is great defensively but still doesn't know when to shoot and when not to shoot. He is a junior Jeffries trying to drive the lane. A bull in a China shop. Hubbard is a wide open shooter. He too short to penetrate so when he does he has to throw it out but his options are Jeffries and Matthew's. Ugggh. Lemonis better have a damn Omaha team!

[IngomarDawg]

Fort not playing was a ?coach?s decision? man how did they fool me into thinking this would be a tournament team.

[EdwardDrayton]

Trying not to be a prisoner of the moment but that was a top 5 all time loss. Southern was 309 in the ratings. Killer.

Oof

[BuckyIsAB****]

Fort not playing was a ?coach?s decision? man how did they fool me into thinking this would be a tournament team.

Yeah we got locker room issues then

[Charlie_Sheen420]

All I can say is we better hope Southern goes on a run and wins the SWAC….not likely though, I just have this feeling tonight will hurt even more in March

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah we got locker room issues then

I was worried about this when we hit the Jucos. You just don't do that in the portal era unless you're desperate

[HoopsDawg]

All I can say is we better hope Southern goes on a run and wins the SWAC….not likely though, I just have this feeling tonight will hurt even more in March

RIP-RPI

[maroonmania]

Yep, this is a Rick Ray kind of loss and wipes out most of the good things we did to start the year.

[msstate7]

Good news is we were #2 in rpi before this game. Hopefully we don't drop too far

[msugolf]

Pretty much have to finish in top 5 of sec now.

And we indeed have internal issues going on based on info I?ve heard. A few of older players jockeying for ownership of the team, animosity towards newcomers, new players not liking their roles, etc. Just a mess right now

[R2Dawg]

Trying not to be a prisoner of the moment but that was a top 5 all time loss. Southern was 309 in the ratings. Killer.

Yep that is the kinda loss that keeps you out in March. GT not but this one can.

[R2Dawg]

Pretty much have to finish in top 5 of sec now.

And we indeed have internal issues going on based on info I?ve heard. A few of older players jockeying for ownership of the team, animosity towards newcomers, new players not liking their roles, etc. Just a mess right now

Thanks transfer portal and NIL. Get used to it. More teams are going to struggle with this stuff. It is what comes with it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We will be fine. Today was a wake up call for our guys. Also, Fort is a liability. The less he plays the better. And another thing, our lineup going forward needs to be Hubbard, Moore, Matthews, Jeffries, and Bell. Get rid of Davis in the starting 5 and if he bitches he can hit the road. Hubbard is better.

[calidawg]

Wow.. I just checked the score

did Rick Ray have a loss this bad? What a disaster

[HancockCountyDog]

Wow.. I just checked the score

did Rick Ray have a loss this bad? What a disaster

Same here, I mean WTF?

[Bothrops]

The way things are going don't be surprised if Lebby forgets how to coach offense and we go 1-11 next year. Failure comes in dust storms around here.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wow.. I just checked the score

did Rick Ray have a loss this bad? What a disaster

Rick Ray had multiple losses this bad. I mean we lost to Alabama A&M his first year, USC Upstate his 3rd year,

[CaptainObvious]

We will be fine. Today was a wake up call for our guys. Also, Fort is a liability. The less he plays the better. And another thing, our lineup going forward needs to be Hubbard, Moore, Matthews, Jeffries, and Bell. Get rid of Davis in the starting 5 and if he bitches he can hit the road. Hubbard is better.

The only thing Jeffries has on me is that I'm 70 and he is 24. Other than that, I can match him missed shot and turnover for turnover!

[EdwardDrayton]

We have issues but there is a lot of season left. Jans needs to unify this group, take control and hold players accountable.

[Goldendawg]

I tried but it is damn near unwatchable.

My son and I were there for the 3 time in 4 home games. Is Barbay now offensive coordinator for MBB.**** Very hard to watch. Seldom work the ball inside or drive to the bucket. Dribble or pass around the perimeter or run useless weave, and jack up a three as the shoot clock runs out. Assists are almost non-existent. We better find our best 8 and quit this trying to play about 12 with no rhythm at all. Do we even have any set offensive plays?

[Goldendawg]

Yes, it's definitely a problem. But it was worse last year. And we've still got Tolu coming back. We'll be fine.

Not if all teams sag in and double/triple Tolu in the low post like last year and we can't shoot them out of it. BTW, I hope someone got the cell# of Joseph (#3), before he left the hump. A Jr. at Southern who had 18 at the half and 25 total, i think, against our great defensive team.

[Goldendawg]

We didn't have a loss near this bad last year. If we had we wouldn't have even made the play in game.

We were 25 1/2 favorites. Glad I'm a Baptist and not allowed to bet!*****

[Goldendawg]

Sure, but maybe he could draw up a play to use our big time size advantage

Was there. When their starting lineup was announced, their tallest player was 6'7", but we would rather jack up three's.

[maroonmania]

Pretty much have to finish in top 5 of sec now.

And we indeed have internal issues going on based on info I?ve heard. A few of older players jockeying for ownership of the team, animosity towards newcomers, new players not liking their roles, etc. Just a mess right now

Well, if true, the Jans better get his crap together and smack the whip on some players. Melding us into a good unit all pulling in the same direction seemed to be his best quality from last year. If that is not something he can do regularly then we are screwed because he is not going to win here based on his recruiting. We aren't even all that talented this year compared to most of the SEC.

[Goldendawg]

We will be fine. Today was a wake up call for our guys. Also, Fort is a liability. The less he plays the better. And another thing, our lineup going forward needs to be Hubbard, Moore, Matthews, Jeffries, and Bell. Get rid of Davis in the starting 5 and if he bitches he can hit the road. Hubbard is better.

Jeffries had 2 points today. He plays D very well, sometimes rebounds well, but with him on the court it is like playing 4 on 5 when we have the ball. He is very good , however, at having the ball & dribbling around deep into the clock to get off a desperation 3 that is most often missed.** He is what he is for 4 years now.

[Goldendawg]

Fort not playing was a ?coach?s decision? man how did they fool me into thinking this would be a tournament team.

Murphy didn't play either. Injured again? Shot in warmups.

[Rawdawg]

We went into the bonus around the 12:30 mark and never made it to the double bonus. That?s poor coaching.

[msstate7]

Realtime RPI has us at #28 after game. Just take care of business from here out

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jeffries had 2 points today. He plays D very well, sometimes rebounds well, but with him on the court it is like playing 4 on 5 when we have the ball. He is very good , however, at having the ball & dribbling around deep into the clock to get off a desperation 3 that is most often missed.** He is what he is for 4 years now.

But who would you put in there? Murphy is not healthy yet and provides even less offense. I guess you could go small and go Davis, Hubbard, Moore, Matthews, Bell. But that would be putting 3 sub 6’2 guards on the court at the same time which could lead to a disaster on the defensive end.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Realtime RPI has us at #28 after game. Just take care of business from here out

We are fine. Is it a bad loss? Absolutely. It just means we are going to have to win some road conference games this year to cancel it out. This week was good for our guys. It showed them that they have to bring it every night or they will get beat. We are not good enough offensively to just coast and turn it on only when we need it.

[HoopsDawg]

But who would you put in there? Murphy is not healthy yet and provides even less offense. I guess you could go small and go Davis, Hubbard, Moore, Matthews, Bell. But that would be putting 3 sub 6?2 guards on the court at the same time which could lead to a disaster on the defensive end.

Based on analytics, the lineup should be Hubbard, Davis, Jones, Cam and Bell. The analytics don't like Moore or DJ.

[Goldendawg]

But who would you put in there? Murphy is not healthy yet and provides even less offense. I guess you could go small and go Davis, Hubbard, Moore, Matthews, Bell. But that would be putting 3 sub 6’2 guards on the court at the same time which could lead to a disaster on the defensive end.

D turned one of their players loose for I think 28 points yesterday. Your point on Jeffries is well taken, but shows a lack of talent on this roster if he is the best we have after being here 4 years. At least offensively. I kept waiting yesterday for us to pull away. Guess we are giving about 10 or so players minutes because we don't have an idea of who the 8 man rotation should be or trying to satisfy too many egos that think they have NBA range, 7 for 26 on three's yesterday and 14 for 56 in last two games. Everyone on this team either has the green light to shoot these shots or someone is not listening to the coaches.