IF It Ends Up Being Lebby

[War Machine Dawg]

Then count me as highly underwhelmed. That tells me one of two things:

1. Coaches largely view our HC job as one you take only if you have zero other options.

2. Lebby was always Selmon's guy and we never really had a legitimate look at anyone else.

Either of those things is a red flag for me. It speaks to poor hiring processes in general.

That said, it's better than hiring a defensive HC like Elko or Sumrall. But if A&M is hiring Mark Stoops, I don't know why we shouldn't have been able to get Chadwell, Leipold, Kinne, Lashlee, etc.

For the record, this is not me saying Lebby sucks and won't win. He well could. Despite their sour grapes that started 2 seconds ago, the BearSharks loved him. His offense is fun and puts up lots of points.

Can be recruit? Will he be able to manage a program? Will he calls plays himself or hire an OC? Who will be his DC? What kind of priority does he place on S&C staff? These are all unanswered questions that will ultimately make or break him.

One positive is that the backup QB at OU might follow him here. Go get a vet like KJ Jefferson to bridge the gap next year, then let Parson and whoever else battle it out in 25. Our QB room would go from bad to very healthy in a hurry.

One thing I will say: Lebby needs to keep his father in law away from the program. That should be a condition stipulated in writing for any contract with Lebby. I don't care how mad it may make his wife. She isn't the one in the family earning millions of dollars. If he won't agree to that condition, then move on. He either wants to be a big time coach and hit the wealth lottery or he wants to keep his wife happy by letting an abuse enabler hang around. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me.

[Coursesuper]

Aaaaaaaasrrrrrrggghuggg.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

These are questions that would have to be answered of any hire. And no one knows if Lebby will succeed yet. Nor would they anyone else.

[HoopsDawg]

I think what the average fan doesn't realize is that Lebby is much more qualified and prepared to be our head coach than someone like Kinne. Anyone who prefers Kinne to Lebby even though Kinne has a little HC experience just doesn't know better.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Then count me as highly underwhelmed. That tells me one of two things:

1. Coaches largely view our HC job as one you take only if you have zero other options.

2. Lebby was always Selmon's guy and we never really had a legitimate look at anyone else.

Either of those things is a red flag for me. It speaks to poor hiring processes in general.

That said, it's better than hiring a defensive HC like Elko or Sumrall. But if A&M is hiring Mark Stoops, I don't know why we shouldn't have been able to get Chadwell, Leipold, Kinne, Lashlee, etc.

For the record, this is not me saying Lebby sucks and won't win. He well could. Despite their sour grapes that started 2 seconds ago, the BearSharks loved him. His offense is fun and puts up lots of points.

Can be recruit? Will he be able to manage a program? Will he calls plays himself or hire an OC? Who will be his DC? What kind of priority does he place on S&C staff? These are all unanswered questions that will ultimately make or break him.

One positive is that the backup QB at OU might follow him here. Go get a vet like KJ Jefferson to bridge the gap next year, then let Parson and whoever else battle it out in 25. Our QB room would go from bad to very healthy in a hurry.

One thing I will say: Lebby needs to keep his father in law away from the program. That should be a condition stipulated in writing for any contract with Lebby. I don't care how mad it may make his wife. She isn't the one in the family earning millions of dollars. If he won't agree to that condition, then move on. He either wants to be a big time coach and hit the wealth lottery or he wants to keep his wife happy by letting an abuse enabler hang around. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me.
Your point about A&M is kind of explaining why we are getting Lebby and not a sitting HC at a low P5 or G5 school. A&M with all their money is possibly settling for Stoops…that is the best they can do. They went from hiring a national championship coach with a ridiculous contract to…Mark Stoops. It just goes to show there are a lot of things at play for hiring a head coach such as location, support, booster involvement etc, it is not just about money. You would think A&M would be able to pull a top coach from the PAC 12, ACC, or Big 12, but they are getting Stoops, who basically is like a Dan Mullen for them, not bad but not the top candidate either. So now you see why our candidate list is what it is

[LC Dawg]

But if A&M is hiring Mark Stoops, I don't know why we shouldn't have been able to get Chadwell, Leipold, Kinne, Lashlee, etc.


I think us hiring Lebby is comparable to A&M hiring Stoops. Their last hire was a sitting P5 coach with a national championship. That's a lot different than a coach of a mid level
SEC program.
The money is so big at the FBS level that coaches aren't as eager to jump into a new challenge just for a little bump in pay.

[Maroonthirteen]

I tend to agree with most of what you wrote and it is extremely frustrating. 2. sure seems all to convenient that the hire is an Oklahoma guy. Or another poster made a good point, maybe the only reason we even had the opportunity to hire Lebby is because of Selmon's connections. HOWEVER, it is very interesting Lebby's name was one of the first names we heard, weeks ago.

Chadwell....., I assume State just simply did NOT have the funds to buyout Chadwell's contract and offer him enough to convince him to move here. He is a year into a 7 year, 4M per year contract. So, I assume we would have to come up with $6M per year???? No idea on Chadwells true interest and if money is what killed that deal.

Really, it is just another reminder that we are in a league in which we can't compete financially. Frustrating because I buy tickets, give to the BC and BI and it makes no difference.

[MetEdDawg]

I think this go around is going to show people that money isn't the driving factor it used to be for coaches moving.

Organizational stability, NIL, recruiting funding, fan support, administrative competency, etc are going to be what drives coaches moving.

[smootness]

I think this go around is going to show people that money isn't the driving factor it used to be for coaches moving.

Organizational stability, NIL, recruiting funding, fan support, administrative competency, etc are going to be what drives coaches moving.

All those things have always mattered. Money will still be a huge driver. If we get Lebby, it will be entirely because of the title and the money, like always.

[MetEdDawg]

All those things have always mattered. Money will still be a huge driver. If we get Lebby, it will be entirely because of the title and the money, like always.

But we could increase Elko and Chadwell's salary substantially and I think most would agree those two guys would be serious guys we would approach for our job.

But it looks like early on both of those guys will remain at Liberty and Duke. Which is crazy to think about.

All of those things have always mattered. But doubling or tripling someone's salary doesn't go the distance it used to for the vast majority of good candidates out there.

[DownwardDawg]

I worry about S&C. One look at him tells me it's not a priority. You absolutely have to have a top notch S&C program to win at State. No other way around it. JWS was big on S&C. Croom was not. Mullen was big on S&C. Moorehead was not. Leach was big on S&C. Arnett was not.

See the pattern???

For the record, I consider myself to be fat!!!

[Dawgface]

Then count me as highly underwhelmed. That tells me one of two things:

1. Coaches largely view our HC job as one you take only if you have zero other options.

2. Lebby was always Selmon's guy and we never really had a legitimate look at anyone else.

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Number 1 has always been the case and probably won't ever change. I don't believe 2 is correct but that is just my opinion. Which is not worth much.

[Todd4State]

I tend to agree with most of what you wrote and it is extremely frustrating. 2. sure seems all to convenient that the hire is an Oklahoma guy. Or another poster made a good point, maybe the only reason we even had the opportunity to hire Lebby is because of Selmon's connections. HOWEVER, it is very interesting Lebby's name was one of the first names we heard, weeks ago.

Chadwell....., I assume State just simply did NOT have the funds to buyout Chadwell's contract and offer him enough to convince him to move here. He is a year into a 7 year, 4M per year contract. So, I assume we would have to come up with $6M per year???? No idea on Chadwells true interest and if money is what killed that deal.

Really, it is just another reminder that we are in a league in which we can't compete financially. Frustrating because I buy tickets, give to the BC and BI and it makes no difference.

I just think Chadwell didn't want our job. There are rumors that we had boosters willing to pay him whatever including the rumored large buyout and I don't think he returned interest at all.

He has spent most of his life in that area of the country. The one year in Mississippi wasn't great. Plus there is a good chance South Carolina and Florida are open next year.

[CoachT14]

I worry about S&C. One look at him tells me it's not a priority. You absolutely have to have a top notch S&C program to win at State. No other way around it. JWS was big on S&C. Croom was not. Mullen was big on S&C. Moorehead was not. Leach was big on S&C. Arnett was not.

See the pattern???

Mullen was fat when he got hired. The S&C was fine.

[smootness]

But we could increase Elko and Chadwell's salary substantially and I think most would agree those two guys would be serious guys we would approach for our job.

But it looks like early on both of those guys will remain at Liberty and Duke. Which is crazy to think about.

All of those things have always mattered. But doubling or tripling someone's salary doesn't go the distance it used to for the vast majority of good candidates out there.

I?m sure if we offered to pay Elko or Chadwell $7-8 million, we would have a solid chance of getting them (assuming they didn?t get a comparable extension offer where they are, which they might). But 1) that would not be wise for us, considering they would still be a big risk, and 2) they both may just be waiting on a better offer from somewhere else later, similar to Napier. That has always been the case for certain guys.

[War Machine Dawg]

I think this go around is going to show people that money isn't the driving factor it used to be for coaches moving.

Organizational stability, NIL, recruiting funding, fan support, administrative competency, etc are going to be what drives coaches moving.

Sure starting to look that way. I'm afraid realignment, free agency (the portal) and NIL have killed our chances of ever being more than a bottom feeder. We just don't have alumni with the money to fund a competitive football program. I hate feeling that way and wish I could be optimistic about our chances of improving. But even Vandy has more money than us. They don't use it for athletics obviously, but they still have more.

Where are our billionaires who will stroke the big checks to make sure our NIL is properly funded to attract top talent? We don't have them. More than anyone else in the SEC, we're reliant on small dollar donations. That's not a model built to be competitive in the age of NIL. It's kinda depressing once you really start thinking about it.

[Pancho]

competency would have yielded 2 or 3 more wins this year........

[BuckyIsAB****]

I worry about S&C. One look at him tells me it's not a priority. You absolutely have to have a top notch S&C program to win at State. No other way around it. JWS was big on S&C. Croom was not. Mullen was big on S&C. Moorehead was not. Leach was big on S&C. Arnett was not.

See the pattern???

The S&C staff make the team tbh. Spend a lot more time around them and when its really hard, they are the ones pushing them

[Cooterpoot]

Then count me as highly underwhelmed. That tells me one of two things:

1. Coaches largely view our HC job as one you take only if you have zero other options.

2. Lebby was always Selmon's guy and we never really had a legitimate look at anyone else.

Either of those things is a red flag for me. It speaks to poor hiring processes in general.

That said, it's better than hiring a defensive HC like Elko or Sumrall. But if A&M is hiring Mark Stoops, I don't know why we shouldn't have been able to get Chadwell, Leipold, Kinne, Lashlee, etc.

For the record, this is not me saying Lebby sucks and won't win. He well could. Despite their sour grapes that started 2 seconds ago, the BearSharks loved him. His offense is fun and puts up lots of points.

Can be recruit? Will he be able to manage a program? Will he calls plays himself or hire an OC? Who will be his DC? What kind of priority does he place on S&C staff? These are all unanswered questions that will ultimately make or break him.

One positive is that the backup QB at OU might follow him here. Go get a vet like KJ Jefferson to bridge the gap next year, then let Parson and whoever else battle it out in 25. Our QB room would go from bad to very healthy in a hurry.

One thing I will say: Lebby needs to keep his father in law away from the program. That should be a condition stipulated in writing for any contract with Lebby. I don't care how mad it may make his wife. She isn't the one in the family earning millions of dollars. If he won't agree to that condition, then move on. He either wants to be a big time coach and hit the wealth lottery or he wants to keep his wife happy by letting an abuse enabler hang around. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me.

Then 17 off. We prefer Lebby as coach over you as a shitty fan.

[Cooterpoot]

I?m sure if we offered to pay Elko or Chadwell $7-8 million, we would have a solid chance of getting them (assuming they didn?t get a comparable extension offer where they are, which they might). But 1) that would not be wise for us, considering they would still be a big risk, and 2) they both may just be waiting on a better offer from somewhere else later, similar to Napier. That has always been the case for certain guys.

Not really true. Elko is pretty much locked down unless A&M took him. He was somewhat interested but really wasn't going to do it. Chadwell was interested but prefers not to move his family and is sitting on that SC job, or even any of the Carolina schools that could open the next year. Liberty has committed $7MM salary as well but a big buyout.
Selmon did the smart thing. He hired the best coach and avoided overpaying for mediocrity of lesser head coaches.

[Cooterpoot]

Sure starting to look that way. I'm afraid realignment, free agency (the portal) and NIL have killed our chances of ever being more than a bottom feeder. We just don't have alumni with the money to fund a competitive football program. I hate feeling that way and wish I could be optimistic about our chances of improving. But even Vandy has more money than us. They don't use it for athletics obviously, but they still have more.

Where are our billionaires who will stroke the big checks to make sure our NIL is properly funded to attract top talent? We don't have them. More than anyone else in the SEC, we're reliant on small dollar donations. That's not a model built to be competitive in the age of NIL. It's kinda depressing once you really start thinking about it.

You're full of shit takes aren't you

[Pancho]

we would have won 2 -3 more games this season with competent organization. Knox was by far the most organized leader we had.

[smootness]

Not really true. Elko is pretty much locked down unless A&M took him. He was somewhat interested but really wasn't going to do it. Chadwell was interested but prefers not to move his family and is sitting on that SC job, or even any of the Carolina schools that could open the next year. Liberty has committed $7MM salary as well but a big buyout.
Selmon did the smart thing. He hired the best coach and avoided overpaying for mediocrity of lesser head coaches.

You said not true and then basically backed up everything I said.

This is not really different than it has ever been. We have never pulled the hot names who can potentially get a much bigger job in a year or so, and we have pretty much always needed to go get a coordinator or a guy without a ton of great options. Mullen and Lebby are essentially equal a hires. What has changed?

[KOdawg1]

I worry about S&C. One look at him tells me it's not a priority. You absolutely have to have a top notch S&C program to win at State. No other way around it. JWS was big on S&C. Croom was not. Mullen was big on S&C. Moorehead was not. Leach was big on S&C. Arnett was not.

See the pattern???

LOL good grief.

[Cooterpoot]

You said not true and then basically backed up everything I said.

This is not really different than it has ever been. We have never pulled the hot names who can potentially get a much bigger job in a year or so, and we have pretty much always needed to go get a coordinator or a guy without a ton of great options. Mullen and Lebby are essentially equal a hires. What has changed?

No i didn't. We could offer $8MM and it wouldn't matter. We made big offers by the way.
UGA, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt all hired low level HCs or assistants their last hires. LSU did prior (won a natty), TN did prior as well.We're no different.

[Coursesuper]

I worry about S&C. One look at him tells me it's not a priority. You absolutely have to have a top notch S&C program to win at State. No other way around it. JWS was big on S&C. Croom was not. Mullen was big on S&C. Moorehead was not. Leach was big on S&C. Arnett was not.

See the pattern???

I actually feel dumber for having read this. Of all the bad takes that have and will be posted on this board over the next couple of days it?s going to be hard to top this.

[smootness]

No i didn't. We could offer $8MM and it wouldn't matter. We made big offers by the way.
UGA, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt all hired low level HCs or assistants their last hires. LSU did prior (won a natty), TN did prior as well.We're no different.

My point was not a specific dollar figure. If we offered $12 million, or $15 million, or whatever amount that is more than they would get elsewhere, we would get them.

Money matters as much as it always has. Coaches have never just jumped at the first offer that is more money than they currently make, and a lot of P5 schools can now offer very similar money if they want.

So right, we are not different. If anything, we can hire better coaches than we have been able to hire before.

[DownwardDawg]

I actually feel dumber for having read this. Of all the bad takes that have and will be posted on this board over the next couple of days it?s going to be hard to top this.

Thanks for your brilliant insight and being a complete douche to a stranger. And you can't argue with a single thing I posted. 17 off

[Coursesuper]

Thanks for your brilliant insight and being a complete douche to a stranger. And you can't argue with a single thing I posted. 17 off

I will never again underestimate the ignorance and lack of self awareness of our own people. And some of you wonder why we have such a hard time in the SEC. I give you exhibit A.

[DownwardDawg]

I will never again underestimate the ignorance and lack of self awareness of our own people. And some of you wonder why we have such a hard time in the SEC. I give you exhibit A.

You must be a joy to be around. At least I made an attempt to add to this particular thread with something. You've added nothing but personal attacks on me for some reason and continued to show the board that you are a dick and a dumbass.

[Coursesuper]

You must be a joy to be around. At least I made an attempt to add to this particular thread with something. You've added nothing but personal attacks on me for some reason and continued to show the board that you are a dick and a dumbass.

You fat shamed the potential head coach, that’s about as personal of a personal attack as it gets. You have all the self awareness of a dog licking its ass in the middle of the street.

[Coach34]

we would have won 2 -3 more games this season with competent organization. Knox was by far the most organized leader we had.

not having a healthy QB kept us from bowling

[DownwardDawg]

You fat shamed the potential head coach, that’s about as personal of a personal attack as it gets. You have all the self awareness of a dog licking its ass in the middle of the street.

I didn't attack you, and it actually wasn't meant as a fat shame. I see how it would look like that.
I apologize if it bothered you that bad. I don't want to hurt anybody on this board's feelings. You straight up attacked me though and have continued.
I'm done with this conversation. Have a great day. I won't be replying back anymore to your attacks on me.

[War Machine Dawg]

You're full of shit takes aren't you

Way to be a total dickhead and refuse to engage in discussion on the merits. That'll definitely drive engagement and improve the quality of the board. How about bringing some facts and data to the discussion to prove I'm wrong about it reliance on small dollar donors compared to the rest of the SEC? I'm willing to be proven wrong. Would be thrilled to be wrong about our money situation, actually. That would suggest incompetence is the problem and incompetence can be fixed. Lack of money can't be. But nah, you'd rather just swear at people because they have different opinions than you. Get the hell out of here until you grow up and can converse like an adult.

[DEDawg]

Sure starting to look that way. I'm afraid realignment, free agency (the portal) and NIL have killed our chances of ever being more than a bottom feeder. We just don't have alumni with the money to fund a competitive football program. I hate feeling that way and wish I could be optimistic about our chances of improving. But even Vandy has more money than us. They don't use it for athletics obviously, but they still have more.

Where are our billionaires who will stroke the big checks to make sure our NIL is properly funded to attract top talent? We don't have them. More than anyone else in the SEC, we're reliant on small dollar donations. That's not a model built to be competitive in the age of NIL. It's kinda depressing once you really start thinking about it.

Ever since NIL started the same teams that have been historically great, middle of the pack, and bad have pretty much remained the same minus a few outliers. There are 7-8 teams that can win the NC everyone else is just playing for a good bowl. We can make a living in that second tier trying to get 10 wins and make a NY6 occasionally