$20 / month x 25,000( fans) = $6,000,000 / year

[cheewgumm]

https://bulldoginitiative.com/

[Quaoarsking]

There should be some kind of checkbox to do this automatically when ordering season tickets. I think most of our fans would give what they're able to give if it was that easy.

[Homedawg]

We've never had 15,000 people give 100 a year to the bdc. Your can hope but it's not likely.

[Coursesuper]

There should be some kind of checkbox to do this automatically when ordering season tickets. I think most of our fans would give what they're able to give if it was that easy.

Can?t tie directly to the university. Has to be a separate entity.

[cheewgumm]

Agree HomeDog? this has to be a constant effort to establish a new normal.

This is the game. This is the way.

Our mentality has to be like ants (strength in numbers).

[Thick]

How many members do we have on this board? Why not charge everyone $20/mo and give it all to NIL? SixPack should do it too. Instead of talking about it, why not get involved? This board has a lot of tough talking fans. STFU, get involved, and then start bitching when we suck ass! Just saying, don?t be apart of the problem be the solution!

[confucius say]

We've never had 15,000 people give 100 a year to the bdc. Your can hope but it's not likely.

Knocking on the door of that though

[confucius say]

How many members do we have on this board? Why not charge everyone $20/mo and give it all to NIL? SixPack should do it too. Instead of talking about it, why not get involved? This board has a lot of tough talking fans. STFU, get involved, and then start bitching when we suck ass! Just saying, don?t be apart of the problem be the solution!

Bc we love to complain but not give 10-20 a month. We'd rather just whine.

[confucius say]

Can?t tie directly to the university. Has to be a separate entity.

It wouldn't be tied to the university.

[Quaoarsking]

Can?t tie directly to the university. Has to be a separate entity.

Time to change those rules.

[Thick]

We talk about professional sports on this board too. Change the name, do whatever needs to be done, but make it happen.

[DEDawg]

We talk about professional sports on this board too. Change the name, do whatever needs to be done, but make it happen.

"Disclaimer: Elitedawgs is a privately owned and operated forum that is managed by alumni of Mississippi State University. This website is in no way affiliated with the Mississippi State University, The Southeastern Conference (SEC) or the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)."

We could do it right now without changing a thing. Would be suicide for the board unfortunately because of our fanbases mindset, but maybe could do a "paid" sub forum or something. maybe recruiting thread could only be to BI members or something.

https://bulldoginitiative.com

[msstate7]

This would be great, but it would be split among other sports. I earmark mine for football,MBK, and baseball.

[Thick]

$6mm divided by 85 is roughly $71k/player, so I think C34 is right?.$10-15mm/year is about right to compete in the SEC.

[cheewgumm]

$6mm divided by 85 is roughly $71k/player, so I think C34 is right?.$10-15mm/year is about right to compete in the SEC.


Agree.

I think the $20 would grow (some people would give more) and the 25,000 would grow.

This should be our main focus in NIL - signing up people for monthly donations. Constant growth , like a business. The effort never ends as some would drop off, some would add? constant churn.

[DEDawg]

$6mm divided by 85 is roughly $71k/player, so I think C34 is right?.$10-15mm/year is about right to compete in the SEC.

Realistically I think you only have to pay 35 players anything "significant". The rest are probably more like 5k per year + scholarship... but yeah the superstars are probably costing 250k+. I think 8M would be a healthy amount and is doable with the right leadership.

[EdwardDrayton]

The math is easy. The hurdle is getting folks over what the sport has become and having them engage it on the new terms.

[cheewgumm]

Edward I agree. However, don?t you think if for instanc, the NIL ?hired? sports admin interns to do 2 things

1) set up tents at every event to sign people up

2) on weekdays, cold call every person who has ever graduated from State to ask for a $10 - $100 per month commitment

That they would get good results.

It is like any sales - call 100 people, sign up 15 ( or whatever the math is).

IMO, Our way is to get small donors ( like me) involved.

[Coursesuper]

Time to change those rules.
Good luck with that.

[cheewgumm]

I would be against changing the rules.

If you tie it to Miss State you are also tying it to Bama and Georgia.

Don?t make it easier. Find a better way so they have to do the same thing (hard way - one fan at a time?

[BrunswickDawg]

What does "connected to the university mean?" We need to push that envelope. Take our concession rights, merch rights, advertising, corporate sponsorships etc and lease those rights to the Bulldog Initiative for $1 a year. Let BI use that $8 million or so in revenue that those things produce annually as their base and fundraise for more. The new SEC Tv will more than replace it. We are gonna have be creative to stay in the game.

[EdwardDrayton]

Edward I agree. However, don?t you think if for instanc, the NIL ?hired? sports admin interns to do 2 things

1) set up tents at every event to sign people up

2) on weekdays, cold call every person who has ever graduated from State to ask for a $10 - $100 per month commitment

That they would get good results.

It is like any sales - call 100 people, sign up 15 ( or whatever the math is).

IMO, Our way is to get small donors ( like me) involved.

I think it's still a tough sell for a lot of fans. I want to believe a narrative can be developed that will cause fans to nod and re-engage. Personally haven't spent any time trying to gin what might be an effective message.

[defiantdog]

Wait, yall don't contribute already?

[msstate7]

What does "connected to the university mean?" We need to push that envelope. Take our concession rights, merch rights, advertising, corporate sponsorships etc and lease those rights to the Bulldog Initiative for $1 a year. Let BI use that $8 million or so in revenue that those things produce annually as their base and fundraise for more. The new SEC Tv will more than replace it. We are gonna have be creative to stay in the game.

Arnett's (or whoever our new coach is) wife start up a business and give out huge NILs to players. Obviously it would have to be more discreet than this, but something similar haha

[EdwardDrayton]

What does "connected to the university mean?" We need to push that envelope. Take our concession rights, merch rights, advertising, corporate sponsorships etc and lease those rights to the Bulldog Initiative for $1 a year. Let BI use that $8 million or so in revenue that those things produce annually as their base and fundraise for more. The new SEC Tv will more than replace it. We are gonna have be creative to stay in the game.

Think you're on to something Brunswick. Remove the direct funding of NIL by fans that chafes a lot of folks. Fans will pay more for the non-NIL things without a lot of fuss and then re-direct the additional revenue to player monies.

[Coursesuper]

Realistically I think you only have to pay 35 players anything "significant". The rest are probably more like 5k per year + scholarship... but yeah the superstars are probably costing 250k+. I think 8M would be a healthy amount and is doable with the right leadership.

Realistically every kid that is being recruited is asking for $$$ so there?s that.

[BrunswickDawg]

Think you're on to something Brunswick. Remove the direct funding of NIL by fans that chafes a lot of folks. Fans will pay more for the non-NIL things without a lot of fuss and then re-direct the additional revenue to player monies.

Personally, I think it would be legal. You see rights assignments and non-profit arrangements like this all the time. Think of a county baseball park that has a youth league that they "lease" the park to. The youth league sells the scoreboard to Coke, makes money off the concession stand, gets local businesses to sponsor teams, pays the umps, buys the equipment, and does some of the basic maintenance. The league benefits by having facility that generates revenue and the county benefit buy having the league available to the community. NIL could be done the same way.

[Thick]

Wait, yall don't contribute already?

I?m pretty sure that a large majority of ?know it all?s? don?t contribute at all, but by God they come here to tell you what needs to be done from their high school playing days. Plus, they research all coaches on their iPads to justify their message board badassery while peeling a few off on Pornhub!

It?s almost worth not paying for season tickets, but making a contribution to the NIL instead. Your season tickets and the money you spend on a weekend are worthless if the on the field product is horrible. I would rather sit home and watch us win/compete then waste money on going to see a shit show! Financially, you?re better off contributing to the NIL than buying season tickets, hotels, meals, & tailgating.

25,000 alumni donating $1k per year is $25mm. How much do you spend for 6-8 home games in one season??$6-8k per season if not more?

[Quaoarsking]

Good luck with that.

Our president has tanked our academic reputation, but people want to keep him around because he has good connections on the athletic and political sides. So it's time for him to cash in on those connections and lead the charge to fix the system.

[Lord McBuckethead]

There should be some kind of checkbox to do this automatically when ordering season tickets. I think most of our fans would give what they're able to give if it was that easy.

Ha. Ordering tickets. I should have cancelled mine this year when I couldn?t get club level tickets. Will not get them next year. As I am a UGA bulldog fan now.

[Quaoarsking]

Ha. Ordering tickets. I should have cancelled mine this year when I couldn?t get club level tickets. Will not get them next year. As I am a UGA bulldog fan now.

Well, see ya

[Goldendawg]

Ha. Ordering tickets. I should have cancelled mine this year when I couldn?t get club level tickets. Will not get them next year. As I am a UGA bulldog fan now.

From the looks of the Club Level and all lower levels by halftime last night, there may be plenty of opportunity to buy tickets in any spot you want next season if this continues.

[Coursesuper]

I?m pretty sure that a large majority of ?know it all?s? don?t contribute at all, but by God they come here to tell you what needs to be done from their high school playing days. Plus, they research all coaches on their iPads to justify their message board badassery while peeling a few off on Pornhub!

It?s almost worth not paying for season tickets, but making a contribution to the NIL instead. Your season tickets and the money you spend on a weekend are worthless if the on the field product is horrible. I would rather sit home and watch us win/compete then waste money on going to see a shit show! Financially, you?re better off contributing to the NIL than buying season tickets, hotels, meals, & tailgating.

25,000 alumni donating $1k per year is $25mm. How much do you spend for 6-8 home games in one season??$6-8k per season if not more?

Slow clap, well said.

[defiantdog]

I?m pretty sure that a large majority of ?know it all?s? don?t contribute at all, but by God they come here to tell you what needs to be done from their high school playing days. Plus, they research all coaches on their iPads to justify their message board badassery while peeling a few off on Pornhub!

It?s almost worth not paying for season tickets, but making a contribution to the NIL instead. Your season tickets and the money you spend on a weekend are worthless if the on the field product is horrible. I would rather sit home and watch us win/compete then waste money on going to see a shit show! Financially, you?re better off contributing to the NIL than buying season tickets, hotels, meals, & tailgating.

25,000 alumni donating $1k per year is $25mm. How much do you spend for 6-8 home games in one season??$6-8k per season if not more?
There should be a "paid" version of ED like you said and the money goes towards NIL. Keep the free board, but we can see those who are willing to contribute.

[AROB44]

What does "connected to the university mean?" We need to push that envelope. Take our concession rights, merch rights, advertising, corporate sponsorships etc and lease those rights to the Bulldog Initiative for $1 a year. Let BI use that $8 million or so in revenue that those things produce annually as their base and fundraise for more. The new SEC Tv will more than replace it. We are gonna have be creative to stay in the game.

This makes too much sense for MSU to adopt. Will probably be done by our rival if they haven't already done so.

[Quaoarsking]

What does "connected to the university mean?" We need to push that envelope. Take our concession rights, merch rights, advertising, corporate sponsorships etc and lease those rights to the Bulldog Initiative for $1 a year. Let BI use that $8 million or so in revenue that those things produce annually as their base and fundraise for more. The new SEC Tv will more than replace it. We are gonna have be creative to stay in the game.

This is great. Let's do it. Let them run the parking situation too.

[Todd4State]

I?m pretty sure that a large majority of ?know it all?s? don?t contribute at all, but by God they come here to tell you what needs to be done from their high school playing days. Plus, they research all coaches on their iPads to justify their message board badassery while peeling a few off on Pornhub!

It?s almost worth not paying for season tickets, but making a contribution to the NIL instead. Your season tickets and the money you spend on a weekend are worthless if the on the field product is horrible. I would rather sit home and watch us win/compete then waste money on going to see a shit show! Financially, you?re better off contributing to the NIL than buying season tickets, hotels, meals, & tailgating.

25,000 alumni donating $1k per year is $25mm. How much do you spend for 6-8 home games in one season??$6-8k per season if not more?

This is a good point. My BC donation is 800 bucks alone for 2 seats. The season tickets themselves are almost that much alone.

[Quaoarsking]

Another idea: If you show a receipt for a Bulldog Initiative donation, you get credit in seating preference as if it were a Bulldog Club donation. I think that's distinct enough to get away with in the rules.

[Todd4State]

I'm sure Charlie is also talking to our NFL Bulldogs.

We said what? We need 10-15 million?

If Dak, Elgton Jenkins, Cross, Chris Jones, Simmons, Sweat, and Slay donate 1 million apiece that's 7 million right there. They could probably negotiate that into their contract and let NFL teams fund it.

Add in all of the other good ideas and we're on our way!

[Todd4State]

What does "connected to the university mean?" We need to push that envelope. Take our concession rights, merch rights, advertising, corporate sponsorships etc and lease those rights to the Bulldog Initiative for $1 a year. Let BI use that $8 million or so in revenue that those things produce annually as their base and fundraise for more. The new SEC Tv will more than replace it. We are gonna have be creative to stay in the game.

We could also use that SEC money to give MSU fans a "loan" at 0% interest which the MSU fan then donates back to NIL.

I do like your idea though.

[Really Clark?]

There should be a "paid" version of ED like you said and the money goes towards NIL. Keep the free board, but we can see those who are willing to contribute.

I actually like that idea

[Quaoarsking]

I actually like that idea

I do too. And people could post "inside info" (to the extent they really have it), stuff that probably shouldn't be out there for the whole world to read. I don't think we'll see Ole Miss trolls signing up to read, but if they want to fund our program to do it, fair enough.

[Homedawg]

I'm sure Charlie is also talking to our NFL Bulldogs.

We said what? We need 10-15 million?

If Dak, Elgton Jenkins, Cross, Chris Jones, Simmons, Sweat, and Slay donate 1 million apiece that's 7 million right there. They could probably negotiate that into their contract and let NFL teams fund it.

Add in all of the other good ideas and we're on our way!

Good luck w that....

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I will be the old fart acting like a stick in the mud. I’m putting my kids through college without student debt. There are expectations for grades, behavior, etc. I will hold them accountable and chew some ass if necessary. If I’m paying, certain standards will be met.

Now I’m expected to pay for some players to have extra money in addition to their scholarship. But they get a DUI like a dumbass (Bookie Watson), behave like a dumbass on the field (Page last night), smoke pot (at least half of them), misbehave in class (several of them), act like idiots on campus and in the community (many of them), and don’t always make the grades expected. And I’m not allowed to administer the much needed butt chewing to the ones I’m funding. No thanks. It’s the principle of it.

Now fire away.

[Quaoarsking]

I will be the old fart acting like a stick in the mud. I’m putting my kids through college without student debt. There are expectations for grades, behavior, etc. I will hold them accountable and chew some ass if necessary. If I’m paying, certain standards will be met.

Now I’m expected to pay for some players to have extra money in addition to their scholarship. But they get a DUI like a dumbass (Bookie Watson), behave like a dumbass on the field (Page last night), smoke pot (at least half of them), misbehave in class (several of them), act like idiots on campus and in the community (many of them), and don’t always make the grades expected. And I’m not allowed to administer the much needed butt chewing to the ones I’m funding. No thanks. It’s the principle of it.

Now fire away.

These players perform a service that most people can't, a service that generates profits for their employers. They deserve a fair piece of that.

On the flip side, NIL is a mess, full of fake endorsements that don't represent players' true market value, and that needs to get fixed. I would prefer just a straight up salary with caps and revenue sharing. But players do deserve to get paid, and it's better than the previous system where they couldn't.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

These players perform a service that most people can't, a service that generates profits for their employers. They deserve a fair piece of that.

On the flip side, NIL is a mess, full of fake endorsements that don't represent players' true market value, and that needs to get fixed. I would prefer just a straight up salary with caps and revenue sharing. But players do deserve to get paid, and it's better than the previous system where they couldn't.

Then let their employer pay them and send them a 1099 or W-2. I’m not their employer. I didn’t get a chance to interview them for a job and set the expectations.

[Quaoarsking]

Then let their employer pay them and send them a 1099 or W-2. I’m not their employer. I didn’t get a chance to interview them for a job and set the expectations.

Well yeah, obviously it's fine that they would have to pay taxes. Does anyone who supports paying players ever say that it should be tax-free?

[Thick]

I know we have some legal experts on this board. So my questions are simply this?how does the IRS view the NIL for the receiptients, and what does that look like? There has to be some loopholes, bc no one can afford to donate w/o some type of tax break. Smart business people are not going to donate small/large amounts w/o some type of credit?..not in this fuked up economy.

You tithe to your religious organization, and it?s tax right off. JWS used preachers to run money directly to recruits. It?s a reasonable question with serious consequences.

[SilentSteel16]

I will be the old fart acting like a stick in the mud. I?m putting my kids through college without student debt. There are expectations for grades, behavior, etc. I will hold them accountable and chew some ass if necessary. If I?m paying, certain standards will be met.

Now I?m expected to pay for some players to have extra money in addition to their scholarship. But they get a DUI like a dumbass (Bookie Watson), behave like a dumbass on the field (Page last night), smoke pot (at least half of them), misbehave in class (several of them), act like idiots on campus and in the community (many of them), and don?t always make the grades expected. And I?m not allowed to administer the much needed butt chewing to the ones I?m funding. No thanks. It?s the principle of it.

Now fire away.


AMEN

Well said !!!

I put money into something to get a return, and a return is not 2-3 more wins. Sorry my give a damn meter doesn?t go that high.

I will keep my seats and seasons ticket slots as they are. Thank you for all of your wonderful recommendations for how to spend my hard earned money. It is greatly appreciated

[Apoplectic]

how much do we get from the SEC annually?

[BrunswickDawg]

how much do we get from the SEC annually?

This past February they payout was $49.9 million to each team. It is expected to hit upwards of $100 million in the new contract that starts in 2024.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

This past February they payout was $49.9 million to each team. It is expected to hit upwards of $100 million in the new contract that starts in 2024.

Seriously? So it's going to double? I guess I haven't followed it closely.