Sunday Morning QB- The Cult Strikes Back Edition

[Coach34]

1. Was a perfect Saturday weather-wise but after a road game and getting home at 1am- no cook on the day. Chinese take-out hit the spot for the day of football and driving kids to basketball and lacrosse practice. Lacrosse has been a great addition for my little lineman. Not only does he get to work with the hand-fight and such- but it's great for his footwork. Opposing teams get mad at "The Enforcer" and his physicality tho. He struggles to hold back at times.

2. Well, we took that L yesterday. The D was awful in the 1st Q. Auburn ran play action and RPO'ed us up and down the field. They picked on the rookie CB to start and then being equal opportunity- got the other side on the next possession when the CB let his eyes stare at the QB while the WR ran by him. As usual- we played ok against the run except for the 50 yard run late in the 4th. It's extremely frustrating that Ellington missed the tackle unblocked when he overran the hole as Jett forced the RB back inside.

3. Let me clear up something real fast. It's time to dispel the false narrative the OL is pulling the wrong way. When we run the Jet to Tulu- we pull the playside Guard the opposite way to try and confuse the inside LB's. In a 3 man front the LB's are taught to read the Guards. It holds then inside so that they cannot fly out to attack the Jet. We also have the option of the QB keeping the ball on the play should the LB's fly out for the Jet. So no- the linemen are not pulling the wrong way on the Jet.

4. I liked the offensive plan yesterday but we just dont execute very well at times. Wright makes terrible decisions that hurt the O. Passing is inconsistent. 345 yards of O but it should have been 400. The game was decided right before half. 4th and 1 and a half deep in Auburn territory and Wright makes the wrong read. Just hand the damn thing off and we get the 1st down. Score there or at least get the 3 and its 17-10 or 17-6 at half. Instead- we make the wrong read and give Auburn time to go score. 24-3 at half- game over. The 4th Q interception he threw was also a really bad decision. There were others and it cost us.

5. The OL played pretty well overall. No sacks. Over 5 ypc. We did a good job of moving Wright around. The bootleg worked well. The plan was good. I thought Barbie screwed up some 3rd down playcalls. A couple left alot to be desired and cost us one drive with really good field position. Auburn also did a great job of preparing for our screens- we got nothing out of that yesterday. I was hoping for a tunnel screen or something. You cant keep running TB screen every week.

6. 3 with another dumb penalty on the blindside block and then laughing about it on the sideline afterward. He knows better so dont act like he doesnt. Tulu messed up the reverse knowing full well the other WR was supposed to come behind him. Our WR's are just plain dumb. Blocking on a pass play. Too much dumb shit going on at WR.

7. While we are "BYU Old" we just dont have major talent on D. Jett and Bookie play hard but they are limited especially in pass coverage. Auburn picked up a big 3rd down by running an inside post to take the safety off the top and running a dig underneath the post. Great route vs zone coverage and Jett is out there just covering air- not trying to get under the dig. No idea where the WR was. Dude- you've been in college 10 years. Stop covering air on passes and get under the routes. Get your head moving and stop staring at the QB. That's our zone coverage is so bad at times- the LB's give us nothing underneath.

8. 8 penalties was too many yesterday. Our Center is deaf- everybody on offense was moving except him late with the damn snap. Tough call on the PI in the 2nd half but that will happen. Not as concerned there. Got to do better this week at home.

9. Saturday is the big day. Need this one over Kentucky at home to get that 6th win for sure on the season. Kentucky looked better coming out of their Bi-week but still lost at home. Thats 3 losses in a row for them. Leary is not a runner so that certainly helps. They went all out vs Tenn so we have some great film to prepare us. Rumors of #2 possibly returning have surfaced. That makes it interesting as well. Marks and his hamstring is a crapshoot. You just never know with that. Our RB's played ok tho yesterday. Got to get it done.

10. Gloat one week- catch shit the next. That's the way it goes. Still excited to see what happens this Saturday. It's what makes college football so fun.

Hail State

[Jeb Busch Lite]

Wanting better for our school and realizing that this coaching staff isn?t going to lead us to where we want/need to be =/ cult.

CZA was put in a very tough situation and I respect him for his efforts but he needs to go and we need to have a legitimate coaching search. This program desperately needs excitement before it?s too late

[RockyDog]

Perfectly said.

We need to get beyond the cult arguments. We have shit talent at the skill positions. We have shit talent in the headsets and we have a lost dummy with a porn stache standing on the sidelines with his arms folded.

It’s beyond time to clean house. If players don’t want to stick around, so be it. Get someone that is competent, bring in some portal talent, and get to work.

[Quaoarsking]

Tom Herman can unite all sides of the fanbase and win. And we can get him. The easy solution is staring us right in the face.

[smootness]

If you were gloating over last week, you?re an idiot.

[basedog]

It's pretty simple, we weren't ready to play the first half, that is poor game planning and that goes back to coaching. Auburn was 0-4 and they made us look like Usm that first half, that is unacceptable.

Arnett is a good DC, but whoever put this staff together made some huge mistakes. Seems the rumor of him not being in charge is coming to life. Btw, what has happened to Peterson not being on the sideline? Seems strange now.

[Coach34]

Tom Herman can unite all sides of the fanbase and win. And we can get him. The easy solution is staring us right in the face.

Here is where people go off the rails.

Firing Arnett after 1 season is going to automatically turn off some candidates. Plus- you dont know what Herman has in his head. Is he waiting for another shot at a bigger school the way Napier was? Does he want to coach at the school that has no shot at winning a title? We actually have no idea who we would get. Same way we were surprised by the Leach hire.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Just stop

[Santiago]

Perfectly said.

We need to get beyond the cult arguments. We have shit talent at the skill positions. We have shit talent in the headsets and we have a lost dummy with a porn stache standing on the sidelines with his arms folded.

It’s beyond time to clean house. If players don’t want to stick around, so be it. Get someone that is competent, bring in some portal talent, and get to work.

Get beyond the cult arguments? Then stop saying it, and value other opinions by the fan base.

[Santiago]

Here is where people go off the rails.

Firing Arnett after 1 season is going to automatically turn off some candidates. Plus- you dont know what Herman has in his head. Is he waiting for another shot at a bigger school the way Napier was? Does he want to coach at the school that has no shot at winning a title? We actually have no idea who we would get. Same way we were surprised by the Leach hire.

Not firing Arnett and this staff is going to turn off some players. Will be interesting to see this lack of talent you mention actually transfer to other P5 schools.

[BuckyIsAB****]

This is over. This is the worst coaching job I have ever personally witnessed at State. Worse than Croom. Croom walked into a disaster and the players didnt hate to be in the same room with him. Not true here.

It did not have to be like this. But some of us wanted this. This is what is wrong with State exposed. The folks that wanted this ought to have to help pay the buyout

[Santiago]

1. Was a perfect Saturday weather-wise but after a road game and getting home at 1am- no cook on the day. Chinese take-out hit the spot for the day of football and driving kids to basketball and lacrosse practice. Lacrosse has been a great addition for my little lineman. Not only does he get to work with the hand-fight and such- but it's great for his footwork. Opposing teams get mad at "The Enforcer" and his physicality tho. He struggles to hold back at times.

2. Well, we took that L yesterday. The D was awful in the 1st Q. Auburn ran play action and RPO'ed us up and down the field. They picked on the rookie CB to start and then being equal opportunity- got the other side on the next possession when the CB let his eyes stare at the QB while the WR ran by him. As usual- we played ok against the run except for the 50 yard run late in the 4th. It's extremely frustrating that Ellington missed the tackle unblocked when he overran the hole as Jett forced the RB back inside.

3. Let me clear up something real fast. It's time to dispel the false narrative the OL is pulling the wrong way. When we run the Jet to Tulu- we pull the playside Guard the opposite way to try and confuse the inside LB's. In a 3 man front the LB's are taught to read the Guards. It holds then inside so that they cannot fly out to attack the Jet. We also have the option of the QB keeping the ball on the play should the LB's fly out for the Jet. So no- the linemen are not pulling the wrong way on the Jet.

4. I liked the offensive plan yesterday but we just dont execute very well at times. Wright makes terrible decisions that hurt the O. Passing is inconsistent. 345 yards of O but it should have been 400. The game was decided right before half. 4th and 1 and a half deep in Auburn territory and Wright makes the wrong read. Just hand the damn thing off and we get the 1st down. Score there or at least get the 3 and its 17-10 or 17-6 at half. Instead- we make the wrong read and give Auburn time to go score. 24-3 at half- game over. The 4th Q interception he threw was also a really bad decision. There were others and it cost us.

5. The OL played pretty well overall. No sacks. Over 5 ypc. We did a good job of moving Wright around. The bootleg worked well. The plan was good. I thought Barbie screwed up some 3rd down playcalls. A couple left alot to be desired and cost us one drive with really good field position. Auburn also did a great job of preparing for our screens- we got nothing out of that yesterday. I was hoping for a tunnel screen or something. You cant keep running TB screen every week.

6. 3 with another dumb penalty on the blindside block and then laughing about it on the sideline afterward. He knows better so dont act like he doesnt. Tulu messed up the reverse knowing full well the other WR was supposed to come behind him. Our WR's are just plain dumb. Blocking on a pass play. Too much dumb shit going on at WR.

7. While we are "BYU Old" we just dont have major talent on D. Jett and Bookie play hard but they are limited especially in pass coverage. Auburn picked up a big 3rd down by running an inside post to take the safety off the top and running a dig underneath the post. Great route vs zone coverage and Jett is out there just covering air- not trying to get under the dig. No idea where the WR was. Dude- you've been in college 10 years. Stop covering air on passes and get under the routes. Get your head moving and stop staring at the QB. That's our zone coverage is so bad at times- the LB's give us nothing underneath.

8. 8 penalties was too many yesterday. Our Center is deaf- everybody on offense was moving except him late with the damn snap. Tough call on the PI in the 2nd half but that will happen. Not as concerned there. Got to do better this week at home.

9. Saturday is the big day. Need this one over Kentucky at home to get that 6th win for sure on the season. Kentucky looked better coming out of their Bi-week but still lost at home. Thats 3 losses in a row for them. Leary is not a runner so that certainly helps. They went all out vs Tenn so we have some great film to prepare us. Rumors of #2 possibly returning have surfaced. That makes it interesting as well. Marks and his hamstring is a crapshoot. You just never know with that. Our RB's played ok tho yesterday. Got to get it done.

10. Gloat one week- catch shit the next. That's the way it goes. Still excited to see what happens this Saturday. It's what makes college football so fun.

Hail State

Correction on note #10 for you...... "win 7-3 against a team that is 2-5 one week(and you gloat for it), and then look even worse the next week"

[Op4isabitch]

Coach 3.4,

Your cult BS is old. No one here admires you half as much as you admire yourself.
We want and can get a better HC and coordinators. Yes they will be folks that don’t have you in their little sandpit but honestly who wants to play in a sandpit that’s full of shit anyway?

[Quaoarsking]

Here is where people go off the rails.

Firing Arnett after 1 season is going to automatically turn off some candidates. Plus- you dont know what Herman has in his head. Is he waiting for another shot at a bigger school the way Napier was? Does he want to coach at the school that has no shot at winning a title? We actually have no idea who we would get. Same way we were surprised by the Leach hire.

Even if Herman says no, there are plenty of coaches out there more competent than Arnett. I'd rather play coaching roulette and hope for the best than accept mediocrity and know that we are going to struggle for a bowl.

Also, there is no such thing as a Power Conference team with "no shot at winning a title" starting next year with the 12-team playoff, so that argument is forever dead.

[HoopsDawg]

If you were gloating over last week, you?re an idiot.

This

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Coach 3.4,

Your cult BS is old. No one here admires you half as much as you admire yourself.
We want and can get a better HC and coordinators. Yes they will be folks that don’t have you in their little sandpit but honestly who wants to play in a sandpit that’s full of shit anyway?

Ouch! That’s some harsh barley.

[Santiago]

This is over. This is the worst coaching job I have ever personally witnessed at State. Worse than Croom. Croom walked into a disaster and the players didnt hate to be in the same room with him. Not true here.

It did not have to be like this. But some of us wanted this. This is what is wrong with State exposed. The folks that wanted this ought to have to help pay the buyout

I saw Bo Bounds is going to expound on the problems on Monday show and seems he will sound alot like Coach34. Seems the good ole boy talking points for the season are still being used.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I saw Bo Bounds is going to expound on the problems on Monday show and seems he will sound alot like Coach34. Seems the good ole boy talking points for the season are still being used.

We have been carpet bagged

[BankerDog]

I saw Bo Bounds is going to expound on the problems on Monday show and seems he will sound alot like Coach34. Seems the good ole boy talking points for the season are still being used.

Talking pundits for good ole Brad Peterson

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

1. Was a perfect Saturday weather-wise but after a road game and getting home at 1am- no cook on the day. Chinese take-out hit the spot for the day of football and driving kids to basketball and lacrosse practice. Lacrosse has been a great addition for my little lineman. Not only does he get to work with the hand-fight and such- but it's great for his footwork. Opposing teams get mad at "The Enforcer" and his physicality tho. He struggles to hold back at times.

2. Well, we took that L yesterday. The D was awful in the 1st Q. Auburn ran play action and RPO'ed us up and down the field. They picked on the rookie CB to start and then being equal opportunity- got the other side on the next possession when the CB let his eyes stare at the QB while the WR ran by him. As usual- we played ok against the run except for the 50 yard run late in the 4th. It's extremely frustrating that Ellington missed the tackle unblocked when he overran the hole as Jett forced the RB back inside.

3. Let me clear up something real fast. It's time to dispel the false narrative the OL is pulling the wrong way. When we run the Jet to Tulu- we pull the playside Guard the opposite way to try and confuse the inside LB's. In a 3 man front the LB's are taught to read the Guards. It holds then inside so that they cannot fly out to attack the Jet. We also have the option of the QB keeping the ball on the play should the LB's fly out for the Jet. So no- the linemen are not pulling the wrong way on the Jet.

4. I liked the offensive plan yesterday but we just dont execute very well at times. Wright makes terrible decisions that hurt the O. Passing is inconsistent. 345 yards of O but it should have been 400. The game was decided right before half. 4th and 1 and a half deep in Auburn territory and Wright makes the wrong read. Just hand the damn thing off and we get the 1st down. Score there or at least get the 3 and its 17-10 or 17-6 at half. Instead- we make the wrong read and give Auburn time to go score. 24-3 at half- game over. The 4th Q interception he threw was also a really bad decision. There were others and it cost us.

5. The OL played pretty well overall. No sacks. Over 5 ypc. We did a good job of moving Wright around. The bootleg worked well. The plan was good. I thought Barbie screwed up some 3rd down playcalls. A couple left alot to be desired and cost us one drive with really good field position. Auburn also did a great job of preparing for our screens- we got nothing out of that yesterday. I was hoping for a tunnel screen or something. You cant keep running TB screen every week.

6. 3 with another dumb penalty on the blindside block and then laughing about it on the sideline afterward. He knows better so dont act like he doesnt. Tulu messed up the reverse knowing full well the other WR was supposed to come behind him. Our WR's are just plain dumb. Blocking on a pass play. Too much dumb shit going on at WR.

7. While we are "BYU Old" we just dont have major talent on D. Jett and Bookie play hard but they are limited especially in pass coverage. Auburn picked up a big 3rd down by running an inside post to take the safety off the top and running a dig underneath the post. Great route vs zone coverage and Jett is out there just covering air- not trying to get under the dig. No idea where the WR was. Dude- you've been in college 10 years. Stop covering air on passes and get under the routes. Get your head moving and stop staring at the QB. That's our zone coverage is so bad at times- the LB's give us nothing underneath.

8. 8 penalties was too many yesterday. Our Center is deaf- everybody on offense was moving except him late with the damn snap. Tough call on the PI in the 2nd half but that will happen. Not as concerned there. Got to do better this week at home.

9. Saturday is the big day. Need this one over Kentucky at home to get that 6th win for sure on the season. Kentucky looked better coming out of their Bi-week but still lost at home. Thats 3 losses in a row for them. Leary is not a runner so that certainly helps. They went all out vs Tenn so we have some great film to prepare us. Rumors of #2 possibly returning have surfaced. That makes it interesting as well. Marks and his hamstring is a crapshoot. You just never know with that. Our RB's played ok tho yesterday. Got to get it done.

10. Gloat one week- catch shit the next. That's the way it goes. Still excited to see what happens this Saturday. It's what makes college football so fun.

Hail State

We won nine games last year. This so-called coaching staff couldn’t win nine games this year if we played everyone twice.

[Coach34]

We won nine games last year.

As Brunswick posted- “If you now throw in Marks and Rogers, we have lost 14 primary starters from last year - Jalen Green, Ra Ra, Wheat, Charlton, Ducking, Matthews, Forbes, Duncan, Harvey, Williams, Sharp, Young. Yeah, we have a bunch of Sr/RSR/Gr playing - but how many of them were primary starters before this season?”

[Quaoarsking]

If Leach were still alive we'd most likely be 6-2 right now. I hope that everyone who claimed that Arnett would win MORE than Leach feels stupid as shit right now, because they sure look that way to the rest of us.

[Santiago]

As Brunswick posted- “If you now throw in Marks and Rogers, we have lost 14 primary starters from last year - Jalen Green, Ra Ra, Wheat, Charlton, Ducking, Matthews, Forbes, Duncan, Harvey, Williams, Sharp, Young. Yeah, we have a bunch of Sr/RSR/Gr playing - but how many of them were primary starters before this season?”

So is Rogers now counting as an excuse instead of a liability? Thought he was going to Western Kentucky after this season***

[parabrave]

As Brunswick posted- “If you now throw in Marks and Rogers, we have lost 14 primary starters from last year - Jalen Green, Ra Ra, Wheat, Charlton, Ducking, Matthews, Forbes, Duncan, Harvey, Williams, Sharp, Young. Yeah, we have a bunch of Sr/RSR/Gr playing - but how many of them were primary starters before this season?”

And losing Wheat Charleton and Forbes are killing us this year.

[Quaoarsking]

And losing Wheat Charleton and Forbes are killing us this year.

Every team loses seniors every year. It happens. Good coaches deal with it.

[Tough Dawg]

Whatever. Fire the staff

[smootness]

Here is where people go off the rails.

Firing Arnett after 1 season is going to automatically turn off some candidates. Plus- you dont know what Herman has in his head. Is he waiting for another shot at a bigger school the way Napier was? Does he want to coach at the school that has no shot at winning a title? We actually have no idea who we would get. Same way we were surprised by the Leach hire.

This is true of literally every coach everywhere. Who knows what Arnett has in his head (though we obviously dont care now)?

There is nothing about being a bigger name or having coached somewhere big before that means you have higher goals than a coach at Southern Miss. Everybody starts somewhere.

Not pushing for Herman, btw. He is not who I would want. But I know Arnett is not it. And it has nothing to do with talent. In Mullen?s first year, it was obvious we were headed somewhere positive finally, despite going 5-7, and that talent was holding us back. Right now we are playing like total garbage on both sides, and even though our talent is not great, it isn?t talent holding us back. We are not even close to competitive, and pretty obviously have no clue what we are doing.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

As Brunswick posted- “If you now throw in Marks and Rogers, we have lost 14 primary starters from last year - Jalen Green, Ra Ra, Wheat, Charlton, Ducking, Matthews, Forbes, Duncan, Harvey, Williams, Sharp, Young. Yeah, we have a bunch of Sr/RSR/Gr playing - but how many of them were primary starters before this season?”

We won nine games last year. NFM

[Santiago]

As Brunswick posted- “If you now throw in Marks and Rogers, we have lost 14 primary starters from last year - Jalen Green, Ra Ra, Wheat, Charlton, Ducking, Matthews, Forbes, Duncan, Harvey, Williams, Sharp, Young. Yeah, we have a bunch of Sr/RSR/Gr playing - but how many of them were primary starters before this season?”

Then why did we hire Arnett with the reasoning of keeping other SEC teams from poaching us? Can't have it both ways.

[Coach34]

So is Rogers now counting as an excuse instead of a liability? Thought he was going to Western Kentucky after this season***

We 100% are hitting the portal for a QB for next year. That’s been said since the summer

[Coach34]

We won nine games last year. NFM

We had actual talent last year

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

We had actual talent last year

In the era of NIL, that falls on the Head Ball Coach.

[Quaoarsking]

We 100% are hitting the portal for a QB for next year. That’s been said since the summer

Why didn't our head coach get us one this year? I mean, in addition to Vanderbilt's castoff.

[Coach34]

We tried

[BankerDog]

As Brunswick posted- “If you now throw in Marks and Rogers, we have lost 14 primary starters from last year - Jalen Green, Ra Ra, Wheat, Charlton, Ducking, Matthews, Forbes, Duncan, Harvey, Williams, Sharp, Young. Yeah, we have a bunch of Sr/RSR/Gr playing - but how many of them were primary starters before this season?”

And isn?t it the job of the HC to ID where a lack of talent is and go get it especially through the portal? With most of the talent being defense and our then DC now being HC he should?ve known to attack the portal. Who does he go get? Let?s take a look:

-Keyvonte Lee- Won?t play him
-Khumari Rogers- Can?t get on field
-RayDar Jones-Hasn?t dressed out
-Ryan Goede- Liability
-Spivey-Inelgible and still took him
-Colorado Kid-Ineligible
-Mike Wright- Package player about it
-Freddie Roberson- Talk was we had enough WRs yet we bring him in?
-Jamari Brown- Another DB who can?t get on field
-JaKobi Albert-Starter before he was hurt
-Chris Keys- Can?t get on field
-Barr- Can?t beat out the freshmen

Also worth noting we just had to take 3 MS kids, all DBs, who couldn?t play at their former schools and can?t get on field over the current freshmen class at CB.

So most of these missed come on the coaching staff that was held over. Additionally no one thought ?boy Jordan Davis hasn?t been the same since tearing his ACL two years ago and DeMonte Russell has never really proven anything? and thought ?we may need to get pull a DL or two this year?? Again THE DC IS NOW THE HC. So he has a problem structuring his teams as it seems.

[BankerDog]

Why didn't our head coach get us one this year? I mean, in addition to Vanderbilt's castoff.

We will screw around and have Ty Simpson play for us. Just watch.

[BankerDog]

We had actual talent last year

Who recruited that talent and developed it? Outside of Ducking and Sharp on the offensive side of the ball btw..

[Quaoarsking]

We will screw around and have Ty Simpson play for us. Just watch.

That sounds pretty good. Is someone better going to be our there in the portal, at least in our price range?

[Tbonewannabe]

Here is where people go off the rails.

Firing Arnett after 1 season is going to automatically turn off some candidates. Plus- you dont know what Herman has in his head. Is he waiting for another shot at a bigger school the way Napier was? Does he want to coach at the school that has no shot at winning a title? We actually have no idea who we would get. Same way we were surprised by the Leach hire.

We fired Moorhead after two years and he made bowl games both years. Were you against it or just when it is your friends doing a shitty job?

[DownwardDawg]

For the first time ever, I couldn't even read it. We absolutely suck and our HC is in way over his head. It's that simple.

[basedog]

We had actual talent last year

We had better coaching last year also.

[ScottH]

Did Arnett hire Petersen or was Petersen handed to him?

[AROB44]

Well, C34.....that's an extensive write up. I'll boil it down for you.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We tried

We failed due to the staff. "You want me to come play for who? What's the OC's name? Never heard of him!"

You can cut circles chasing your own tail here. It all comes down to coaching.

[parabrave]

Did Arnett hire Petersen or was Petersen handed to him?

Thats a dam good question. Also on who put this staff together should be a bigger question?

[Tbonewannabe]

Well, C34.....that's an extensive write up. I'll boil it down for you.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***.

I am assuming you are referring to the coaching staff.

[CoachT14]

We tried


Awe. We tried. Bless your heart.

[CoachT14]

Did Arnett hire Petersen or was Petersen handed to him?

Little of both. Arnett and Peterson were friends when Leach pushed Peterson out. Pretty obvious Peterson and maybe Arnett had a vendetta against Leach and company once Arnett got the job.

[Santiago]

Little of both. Arnett and Peterson were friends when Leach pushed Peterson out. Pretty obvious Peterson and maybe Arnett had a vendetta against Leach and company once Arnett got the job.

Another question to that, is the (2) OL coaching hires. Was that Peterson pulling that off, before we even had an OC.
It really did seem odd to let Miller go, and hire 2 OL coaches before a new OC had any input.

[Activated Alpha]

Look we all know you get down on your knees every Saturday to suckle at the cocks of all these great coaches, but this is getting old. It is clear as day that they are in over their heads and we need to cut bait to do a legit coaching search.

[CoachT14]

Another question to that, is the (2) OL coaching hires. Was that Peterson pulling that off, before we even had an OC.
It really did seem odd to let Miller go, and hire 2 OL coaches before a new OC had any input.

I just think Peterson/Arnett wanted nothing left of the Mike Leach offensive staff. I mean they moved one of our best recruiters off the field just to have bring Tony Hughes back (who?s not the old Tong Hughes). J-Wash should?ve stayed on field and Tony got the J-Wash role.

[BankerDog]

I just think Peterson/Arnett wanted nothing left of the Mike Leach offensive staff. I mean they moved one of our best recruiters off the field just to have bring Tony Hughes back (who?s not the old Tong Hughes). J-Wash should?ve stayed on field and Tony got the J-Wash role.

Hughes was on staff last year..he coached nickel backs. They moved him over to RB because he won?t take an off field role so then they brought in Knox to really ?coach? the RBs. The same Knox who wouldn?t play Aeris (although ATrain leaving during the middle of game weeks and not being heard of until Friday walk through didn?t help him) or Damien Pierce at Florida.

[Santiago]

I just think Peterson/Arnett wanted nothing left of the Mike Leach offensive staff. I mean they moved one of our best recruiters off the field just to have bring Tony Hughes back (who?s not the old Tong Hughes). J-Wash should?ve stayed on field and Tony got the J-Wash role.

This is where I stopped trusting anything Arnett says, and realizing the agenda. Arnett publicly says like ah geeze happy to get the job and I am not changing much.... that lying SOB had his agenda ready.
So I have no sympathy for him or these in our alumni that rallied around him for it. Needs to be a total clean out of the program of those involed.

[CoachT14]

This is where I stopped trusting anything Arnett says, and realizing the agenda. Arnett publicly says like ah geeze happy to get the job and I am not changing much.... that lying SOB had his agenda ready.
So I have no sympathy for him or these in our alumni that rallied around him for it. Needs to be a total clean out of the program of those involed.

Don?t know if it was more Arnett or Peterson to be honest.

[Santiago]

Don?t know if it was more Arnett or Peterson to be honest.

Good point. I am curious why did Arnett buy into it. Did he feel the pressure of donors backing Peterson?

[RiverCityDawg]

1. Was a perfect Saturday weather-wise but after a road game and getting home at 1am- no cook on the day. Chinese take-out hit the spot for the day of football and driving kids to basketball and lacrosse practice. Lacrosse has been a great addition for my little lineman. Not only does he get to work with the hand-fight and such- but it's great for his footwork. Opposing teams get mad at "The Enforcer" and his physicality tho. He struggles to hold back at times.

2. Well, we took that L yesterday. The D was awful in the 1st Q. Auburn ran play action and RPO'ed us up and down the field. They picked on the rookie CB to start and then being equal opportunity- got the other side on the next possession when the CB let his eyes stare at the QB while the WR ran by him. As usual- we played ok against the run except for the 50 yard run late in the 4th. It's extremely frustrating that Ellington missed the tackle unblocked when he overran the hole as Jett forced the RB back inside.

3. Let me clear up something real fast. It's time to dispel the false narrative the OL is pulling the wrong way. When we run the Jet to Tulu- we pull the playside Guard the opposite way to try and confuse the inside LB's. In a 3 man front the LB's are taught to read the Guards. It holds then inside so that they cannot fly out to attack the Jet. We also have the option of the QB keeping the ball on the play should the LB's fly out for the Jet. So no- the linemen are not pulling the wrong way on the Jet.

4. I liked the offensive plan yesterday but we just dont execute very well at times. Wright makes terrible decisions that hurt the O. Passing is inconsistent. 345 yards of O but it should have been 400. The game was decided right before half. 4th and 1 and a half deep in Auburn territory and Wright makes the wrong read. Just hand the damn thing off and we get the 1st down. Score there or at least get the 3 and its 17-10 or 17-6 at half. Instead- we make the wrong read and give Auburn time to go score. 24-3 at half- game over. The 4th Q interception he threw was also a really bad decision. There were others and it cost us.

5. The OL played pretty well overall. No sacks. Over 5 ypc. We did a good job of moving Wright around. The bootleg worked well. The plan was good. I thought Barbie screwed up some 3rd down playcalls. A couple left alot to be desired and cost us one drive with really good field position. Auburn also did a great job of preparing for our screens- we got nothing out of that yesterday. I was hoping for a tunnel screen or something. You cant keep running TB screen every week.

6. 3 with another dumb penalty on the blindside block and then laughing about it on the sideline afterward. He knows better so dont act like he doesnt. Tulu messed up the reverse knowing full well the other WR was supposed to come behind him. Our WR's are just plain dumb. Blocking on a pass play. Too much dumb shit going on at WR.

7. While we are "BYU Old" we just dont have major talent on D. Jett and Bookie play hard but they are limited especially in pass coverage. Auburn picked up a big 3rd down by running an inside post to take the safety off the top and running a dig underneath the post. Great route vs zone coverage and Jett is out there just covering air- not trying to get under the dig. No idea where the WR was. Dude- you've been in college 10 years. Stop covering air on passes and get under the routes. Get your head moving and stop staring at the QB. That's our zone coverage is so bad at times- the LB's give us nothing underneath.

8. 8 penalties was too many yesterday. Our Center is deaf- everybody on offense was moving except him late with the damn snap. Tough call on the PI in the 2nd half but that will happen. Not as concerned there. Got to do better this week at home.

9. Saturday is the big day. Need this one over Kentucky at home to get that 6th win for sure on the season. Kentucky looked better coming out of their Bi-week but still lost at home. Thats 3 losses in a row for them. Leary is not a runner so that certainly helps. They went all out vs Tenn so we have some great film to prepare us. Rumors of #2 possibly returning have surfaced. That makes it interesting as well. Marks and his hamstring is a crapshoot. You just never know with that. Our RB's played ok tho yesterday. Got to get it done.

10. Gloat one week- catch shit the next. That's the way it goes. Still excited to see what happens this Saturday. It's what makes college football so fun.

Hail State

Your water toting for this coaching staff is almost as embarrassing to watch as the coaching itself.

Hail State

[SPMT]

I saw Bo Bounds is going to expound on the problems on Monday show and seems he will sound alot like Coach34. Seems the good ole boy talking points for the season are still being used.

Yay, two 17in idiots blabbing about the talent cupboard being bare. Spare me.

[DownwardDawg]

Your water toting for this coaching staff is almost as embarrassing to watch as the coaching itself.

Hail State

It is pretty sad.

[dawgday166]

Good point. I am curious why did Arnett buy into it. Did he feel the pressure of donors backing Peterson?

He's a young coach. Wants to not ruffle feathers while earning his wings. At his age it's also generally a lot easier to be fooled by imposters and wannabee/never was types. Just my guess. Leach was smart and experienced. Been thru it all.

Saban would've ran their asses off just like Leach did. Which now explains the never ending pounding and criticism Leach took, even when he was playing all-freshmen in 2020 Covid year. And when they, their homeboy cult, are the ones that were never on message boards after wins unless of course the offense struggled at some point in the game, or the points weren't in the 30's or more. Which happened against the 1, 5, 9, 11, and 33rd ranked scoring Ds last year. Not the pathetic Ds we're playing this year.

What a freakin mess. SMMFH.

[Santiago]

He's a young coach. Wants to not ruffle feathers while earning his wings. At his age it's also generally a lot easier to be fooled by imposters and wannabee/never was types. Just my guess. Leach was smart and experienced. Been thru it all. Saban would've ran their asses off like Leach did.

It makes me wonder sometimes if the "cult" terminology was slung around in the Bryan building.
Arnett saying this season to SEC Network guys that he switched the offense because of TOP.....just more blatant lying and making excuses. The AR offense, now with the NCAA clock running more, would have been even higher than last year. The Effing with our fanbase like this was my limit. And he had a group behind him pushing this, not only on staff, but on the web sites trying to control the message for them.

[confucius say]

This is over. This is the worst coaching job I have ever personally witnessed at State. Worse than Croom. Croom walked into a disaster and the players didnt hate to be in the same room with him. Not true here.

It did not have to be like this. But some of us wanted this. This is what is wrong with State exposed. The folks that wanted this ought to have to help pay the buyout

Man. This is not Croom bad. At least not yet.

And we had several players despise the last staff. Some of them even transferred to national title contenders. That's football. Is what it is.

[confucius say]

And losing Wheat Charleton and Forbes are killing us this year.

Young (playing in the nfl), green, and matthews too.

If we had those 6 back we'd be 6-2

[SPMT]

Young (playing in the nfl), green, and matthews too.

If we had those 6 back we'd be 6-2

If we had 2018 team we?d hate the talent to be in the playoffs

[confucius say]

If we had 2018 team we?d hate the talent to be in the playoffs

Agreed. Point being we have a talent issue.
Coaching matters. But not as much as talent.

[Cooterpoot]

Man. This is not Croom bad. At least not yet.

And we had several players despise the last staff. Some of them even transferred to national title contenders. That's football. Is what it is.

It's absolutely worse than Croom.

[confucius say]

It's absolutely worse than Croom.

3-8
3-8
3-9
7-5
4-8

Losing to Maine.

[dawgday166]

Agreed. Point being we have a talent issue.
Coaching matters. But not as much as talent.

In this SECW, we don't have a talent issue. They're coached poorly. They haven't been coached hard, they've been (players) coached. They bust assignments. Run into each other in the backfield on double reverses. The play calling sucks.

With exception of Jeff Simmons, Montez Sweat, Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, and just a few others, Mullen always had a "talent" issue. He developed them and coached them up. Mullen's best class production wise (only because he left at end of 2017) was Dak's class in 2011. It was 40th in recruiting rankings.

Besides, where are any of the portal players this staff went after. Did any of them make it to the field?

In 2020 and 21 we had a talent AND experience issue. No mercy was given. Now the shoe is on the other foot and there are no good excuses.

Tulu 4*, Zavion 4*, Dolla Bill 4*, Percy 4*, Richardson 4*, Marks 4*, Lewis 4*, Anderson 4*, Pickering 4*, Hargrove 4*, Russell 4*, Williams 4*, Morant 4*, Washington 4*, Robinson 3/4*, Whittemore 4*, Smith 4*, Jones 4*, Pollock 4*, Traore 4*, Lee 4/3*, Goede 4/3*, Albert 4/3*, Rogers 4/3*

With the exception of 2017, that certainly is as many or more 4* players as Mullen ever had on his teams.

ETA: As I said in another post, Mullen would win a minimum of 8 with this team, in this SECW, with this pathetic schedule we're playing this year. We've never seen so many damn gimmes on a schedule for us before.

But then, Mullen and Leach know how to COACH. It ain't just about X's and O's.

[CoachT14]

This whole we have a talent issue argument is only being used to try and prop up the Imbecile in Chief running our program.

We are always going to have a talent issue. Which means we have to have a coach that can give us an advantage one way or the other. Even the best recruiter in the nation has a ceiling with us recruiting. We can hire someone to up our recruiter and raise the ceiling. Leach did it. Mullen did it. Jackie did it. Moorhead didn?t. Arnett isn?t. It?s time to move on.

What does Arnett do good at as HC?
Recruit? Nope. Last in the SEC.
Coach? Nope. We are one of the least disciplined teams in the SEC.
Delegate? Nope. He meddles or completely leaves someone also in over his alone.
Evaluate? Nope. If we have a talent issue on defense it?s on him. He recruiting and evaluated that entire defense.

It?s insane that people want this to continue. The guy was a slightly above average play calling DC and he sucks at that now.

[Coach34]

This whole we have a talent issue argument is only being used to try and prop up the Imbecile in Chief running our program.

Oh reallyyyyyyyyyy?

We have nobody projected currently to be drafted. Should nobody get drafted in April- it will be the first time that's happened since 2009

[dawgday166]

Oh reallyyyyyyyyyy?

We have nobody projected currently to be drafted. Should nobody get drafted in April- it will be the first time that's happened since 2009

That's coaching too. Preston Smith was a low 3* when he got to State. Elgton Jenkins was a 3*. Dak a 3*, BMac was a high 2*. You think they all got so good on talent alone?? COACHING matters!!!

ETA: Plus a lot of them probably disgusted and don't really give a shit right now too.

[DownwardDawg]

3-8
3-8
3-9
7-5
4-8

Losing to Maine.

Arnett inherited a 9 win veteran team. Just give him time. He'll be right with Croom if he gets another year.

[CoachT14]

Oh reallyyyyyyyyyy?

We have nobody projected currently to be drafted. Should nobody get drafted in April- it will be the first time that's happened since 2009

Hahahhahahaha. You keep saying this cause Brad tells you.

I?m not putting in the effort to argue you with you on it. You?re not worth it. Now go run along and play tiddly winks with your butt buddy.

[Coach34]

That's coaching too. Preston Smith was a low 3* when he got to State. Elgton Jenkins was a 3*. Dak a 3*, BMac was a high 2*. You think they all got so good on talent alone?? COACHING matters!!!

ETA: Plus a lot of them probably disgusted and don't really give a shit right now too.

misevals by recruiting sites are very common. BMac playing at a shitty Delta school was the main factor- everybody saw what a beast he was that played against him. Delta kids like Jenkins also are undervalued all the time. Manny Diaz told anybody that listened Gerri Green would have been a borderline 5-star recruit had he played HS ball in Texas. If you look at our team- we just dont have those dudes.

[Coach34]

Hahahhahahaha. You keep saying this cause Brad tells you.

I?m not putting in the effort to argue you with you on it. You?re not worth it. Now go run along and play tiddly winks with your butt buddy.

I look forward to seeing him at the Egg Bowl. It's been 6 years

[CoachT14]

I look forward to seeing him at the Egg Bowl. It's been 6 years

Cool. Enjoy hob knobbing while the program you claim to care about dies.

[dawgday166]

Hahahhahahaha. You keep saying this cause Brad tells you.

I?m not putting in the effort to argue you with you on it. You?re not worth it. Now go run along and play tiddly winks with your butt buddy.

I agree. I just get tired of the narrative changing and it ALWAYS changes to where it is ALL Leach's fault.

Before the season we were promised we were gonna love this offense way more than Leach's (which I was hoping would be true actually, but I was skeptical). We had very experienced talent coming back (I agreed). We should win a minimum of 8 (I also agreed). Yada, yada ... it was gonna be so much better.

And I agreed with all that before I knew just how bad LSU's D would be (I knew Daniels was great tho), before I knew just how bad USCe would suck, Arky would suck, AU would suck, etc. They're horrendous. Really, really horrible.

Now I see a team that isn't in tip-top shape thus slowing them down some and hurting their ball skills. They also have their eyes looking at the wrong things on D all the time, thus all the busted assignments. Their leverage at LOS isn't consistently good, etc. etc. They just play lazy and tired a lot of the time. That's current coaching.

The raw talent for this particular SECW, is there. Because this SECW really sucks.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

misevals by recruiting sites are very common. BMac playing at a shitty Delta school was the main factor- everybody saw what a beast he was that played against him. Delta kids like Jenkins also are undervalued all the time. Manny Diaz told anybody that listened Gerri Green would have been a borderline 5-star recruit had he played HS ball in Texas. If you look at our team- we just dont have those dudes.

Sigh. Ok, we have a "lack of talent". Lets break it down:

Offense: We returned pretty much everyone from last season, but have a worse offense. You can't cite "lack of talent" for the offensive woes when we had a better offense with the same (but younger) players last year.

Defense: We lost Forbes, Wheat, some others. OK. But who was the "head coach of the defense" for 3 seasons? I'm supposed to believe Leach was constantly telling Arnett "I don't care if you want X player, you're only allowed to offer Y player"? NO! Of course Arnett got a say in what defensive players we recruited. So the "lack of talent" is at least partially a failure him. Moreover, once he became the HC, the failure to bring in talent via the Portal is on him.

Oh wait, I forgot you said "We tried" to bring in Portal talent. Tried, and failed. But you say it like it's an excuse for Arnett and not just another failure to be added to the list.

[dawgday166]

misevals by recruiting sites are very common. BMac playing at a shitty Delta school was the main factor- everybody saw what a beast he was that played against him. Delta kids like Jenkins also are undervalued all the time. Manny Diaz told anybody that listened Gerri Green would have been a borderline 5-star recruit had he played HS ball in Texas. If you look at our team- we just dont have those dudes.

Yea we do. We don't have a Gerri Green now. But we have the others. But I'm not gonna argue with you all day about it.

If Leach was still here you'd be saying if he didn't win 10 he sucked, just like you did last year. You just constantly change the narrative and contradict yourself over and over and over and make excuses for the pathetic performance of this staff against a pathetic schedule. I get it ... y'all are Country Clubbing. Enjoy!!

[BlackSailsDawg]

3-8
3-8
3-9
7-5
4-8

Losing to Maine.

There are other things that makes this worse than Croom. It's not about just the Ws and Ls. Things are bad within the program!

[BlackSailsDawg]

Sigh. Ok, we have a "lack of talent". Lets break it down:

Offense: We returned pretty much everyone from last season, but have a worse offense. You can't cite "lack of talent" for the offensive woes when we had a better offense with the same (but younger) players last year.

Defense: We lost Forbes, Wheat, some others. OK. But who was the "head coach of the defense" for 3 seasons? I'm supposed to believe Leach was constantly telling Arnett "I don't care if you want X player, you're only allowed to offer Y player"? NO! Of course Arnett got a say in what defensive players we recruited. So the "lack of talent" is at least partially a failure him. Moreover, once he became the HC, the failure to bring in talent via the Portal is on him.

Oh wait, I forgot you said "We tried" to bring in Portal talent. Tried, and failed. But you say it like it's an excuse for Arnett and not just another failure to be added to the list.

YEP!

[Coach34]

Sigh. Ok, we have a "lack of talent". Lets break it down:

Offense: We returned pretty much everyone from last season, but have a worse offense. You can't cite "lack of talent" for the offensive woes when we had a better offense with the same (but younger) players last year.

Defense: We lost Forbes, Wheat, some others. OK. But who was the "head coach of the defense" for 3 seasons? I'm supposed to believe Leach was constantly telling Arnett "I don't care if you want X player, you're only allowed to offer Y player"? NO! Of course Arnett got a say in what defensive players we recruited. So the "lack of talent" is at least partially a failure him. Moreover, once he became the HC, the failure to bring in talent via the Portal is on him.

Oh wait, I forgot you said "We tried" to bring in Portal talent. Tried, and failed. But you say it like it's an excuse for Arnett and not just another failure to be added to the list.

Offense lost RaRa, Ducking, D. Johnson, A. Williams, Sharp, Harvey. We have changed offenses and going thru a transition from blocking a 3 man drop 8 to teams bringing pressure. Lost 4 of our top 5 pass catchers

Defense lost a few NFL players and our #4-#10 top tacklers. We lost 7 of our top 10 tacklers from 2022. That's a helluva lot of loss.

[Coach34]

There are other things that makes this worse than Croom. It's not about just the Ws and Ls. Things are bad within the program!

hush Chrissy. It's always about wins and losses

[HoopsDawg]

misevals by recruiting sites are very common. BMac playing at a shitty Delta school was the main factor- everybody saw what a beast he was that played against him. Delta kids like Jenkins also are undervalued all the time. Manny Diaz told anybody that listened Gerri Green would have been a borderline 5-star recruit had he played HS ball in Texas. If you look at our team- we just dont have those dudes.

You feel good about Zach, Barbay, and Brock? You think that's the trio to get it done? That's the only question that matters.

[Todd4State]

If it's a talent recruiting issue then that's even more reason to fire this staff because they're mostly the ones that recruited these guys.

The lack of talent is clearly spin from those trying to cover their asses for making incredibly poor decisions in December and trying to wash their hands of the blood on them.

"It wasn't the people we put in charge- it's the player's fault!"

Which should only help locker room morale.

[Coach34]

If it's a talent recruiting issue then that's even more reason to fire this staff because they're mostly the ones that recruited these guys.

That's not true. The coaches were told who to recruit by Leach's guys like Emmerick. Thats why many of us kept telling you guys there was going to be a reckoning due to our lack of talent on D at some point

[BankerDog]

misevals by recruiting sites are very common. BMac playing at a shitty Delta school was the main factor- everybody saw what a beast he was that played against him. Delta kids like Jenkins also are undervalued all the time. Manny Diaz told anybody that listened Gerri Green would have been a borderline 5-star recruit had he played HS ball in Texas. If you look at our team- we just dont have those dudes.

You constantly bashed Mullen?s recruiting and development of talent now look at you. You?re a clown

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

hush Chrissy. It's always about wins and losses

And ya boy is about to be 5-7 lol might not want to argue Ws and Ls are all that matter if you also want to claim he should get another year

[dawgday166]

That's not true. The coaches were told who to recruit by Leach's guys like Emmerick. Thats why many of us kept telling you guys there was going to be a reckoning due to our lack of talent on D at some point

Once again ... Leach's fault. All Leach's fault.

Ok ... got it. Now I expect y'all to pull 2 of the top 4 Dlinemen in the State this year. Y'all got a bunch of MS Homeboys that are supposed to be just for that. If you don't pull them, your story is bullshit.

[dawgday166]

You constantly bashed Mullen?s recruiting and development of talent now look at you. You?re a clown

LOL ... Now he's saying they were "under" evaluated SMFH.

[Coach34]

You constantly bashed Mullen?s recruiting and development of talent now look at you. You?re a clown

How many times you gonna lie? I never bashed Mullen's development. EVER

I bashed his OL and WR recruiting. As anybody with a brain would. How many WR's he get drafted? Shit- people were bashing the Prescott signing and I was saying he would be the best we ever had. GTFO with your BS

[confucius say]

This whole we have a talent issue argument is only being used to try and prop up the Imbecile in Chief running our program.

We are always going to have a talent issue. Which means we have to have a coach that can give us an advantage one way or the other. Even the best recruiter in the nation has a ceiling with us recruiting. We can hire someone to up our recruiter and raise the ceiling. Leach did it. Mullen did it. Jackie did it. Moorhead didn?t. Arnett isn?t. It?s time to move on.

What does Arnett do good at as HC?
Recruit? Nope. Last in the SEC.
Coach? Nope. We are one of the least disciplined teams in the SEC.
Delegate? Nope. He meddles or completely leaves someone also in over his alone.
Evaluate? Nope. If we have a talent issue on defense it?s on him. He recruiting and evaluated that entire defense.

It?s insane that people want this to continue. The guy was a slightly above average play calling DC and he sucks at that now.

Whoa whoa whoa. Go look at my posts from 4 months ago. I told y'all we had a major talent drop off, and nobody listened. Thinking we are just going to magically replace guys playing in the nfl today (wheat, Forbes, young) with role players was wild. I told y'all that and was laughed at. I've been on record that we have a talent issue for months.

[confucius say]

Arnett inherited a 9 win veteran team. Just give him time. He'll be right with Croom if he gets another year.

A team without a single nfl draftee. Croom inherited multiple 5 stars.

[Really Clark?]

Whoa whoa whoa. Go look at my posts from 4 months ago. I told y'all we had a major talent drop off, and nobody listened. Thinking we are just going to magically replace guys playing in the nfl today (wheat, Forbes, young) with role players was wild. I told y'all that and was laughed at. I've been on record that we have a talent issue for months.

This is absolutely true. You did make that statement months ago.

[Coach34]

A team without a single nfl draftee. Croom inherited multiple 5 stars.

We are looking at not having a player drafted for the 1st time in 15 years this April

[BlackSailsDawg]

hush Chrissy. It's always about wins and losses

Tell that to the team that the staff is losing. And they are losing them.

[Todd4State]

That's not true. The coaches were told who to recruit by Leach's guys like Emmerick. Thats why many of us kept telling you guys there was going to be a reckoning due to our lack of talent on D at some point

Emerick has been gone for a couple of years now. This group has had time to fix it. There is a thing called the transfer portal that they whiffed on if there was a talent issue. I guess that's Brad Peterson's fault? So again- no matter how you spin it the excuses fall back on them.

[Homedawg]

If it's a talent recruiting issue then that's even more reason to fire this staff because they're mostly the ones that recruited these guys.

The lack of talent is clearly spin from those trying to cover their asses for making incredibly poor decisions in December and trying to wash their hands of the blood on them.

"It wasn't the people we put in charge- it's the player's fault!"

Which should only help locker room morale.

Actually, no. We had our "head of recruiting" dictating who we recruited. Just nuts

[Homedawg]

Emerick has been gone for a couple of years now. This group has had time to fix it. There is a thing called the transfer portal that they whiffed on if there was a talent issue. I guess that's Brad Peterson's fault? So again- no matter how you spin it the excuses fall back on them.

Dudek made it worse.

[msstate7]

We are looking at not having a player drafted for the 1st time in 15 years this April

Wow

[Santiago]

Emerick has been gone for a couple of years now. This group has had time to fix it. There is a thing called the transfer portal that they whiffed on if there was a talent issue. I guess that's Brad Peterson's fault? So again- no matter how you spin it the excuses fall back on them.

We got some tight ends though. ***

[CoachT14]

It's always someone else's fault for some of you. Whether it's the Will Bois or the Sly Arnett Hob Knobbers. Y'all love blaming everyone else but the people at fault for the problem.

[R2Dawg]

Hughes was on staff last year..he coached nickel backs. They moved him over to RB because he won?t take an off field role so then they brought in Knox to really ?coach? the RBs. The same Knox who wouldn?t play Aeris (although ATrain leaving during the middle of game weeks and not being heard of until Friday walk through didn?t help him) or Damien Pierce at Florida.

I don't know any details and maybe it isn't an issue but IMHO, we got too many retreds here. We need a fresh hungry and skilled staff.

MSU can be a very good program again but since Mullen left we have just went on the skids. Yep Leach won 9 last year which was a miracle with the talent we had, some luck too which is fine but luck will not have you competing every year. Leach only did 1 of 3. Moorhead only did because of D and foundation of talent left to him.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Oh reallyyyyyyyyyy?

We have nobody projected currently to be drafted. Should nobody get drafted in April- it will be the first time that's happened since 2009

They were all draftable in July and august. I wonder what happened

[Homedawg]

They were all draftable in July and august. I wonder what happened

Our best two players returning were Jett and bookie. There was a reason they were back. After that it was Will and crumdey ... same for them....

[Todd4State]

Dudek made it worse.

Ok but again he has been gone since January.

This group had an opportunity to fix it and they didn't. And it's not like most of the defensive staff didn't return so they should have known what the issues were on that side of the ball.

[Coach34]

They were all draftable in July and august. I wonder what happened

Actually they werent.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Our best two players returning were Jett and bookie. There was a reason they were back. After that it was Will and crumdey ... same for them....

Well Bookie was back because he got paid, same with Tulu and some others.

Some on here CRUSHED leach for not using Tulu and the word was put out that Tulu is not what some think he is. He is not being used much more now than he was with Leach. That is just one example of how the goalposts were moved. There was a crowd that was never ever going to ride for Leach no matter what. And we gave one of those guys who was bitter some real swing. There is not even a picture of him in DWS for Gods sake.

We have good enough talent to not be 4-4 and looking absolutely lost. Everyone on the team that has returned is worse. Why is that?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Actually they werent.

Yeah they suck. They sucked bad enough for us to have 8-9 win expectations. Now they are trash and poor old tuff guys are making chicken salad out of chicken shitz.

Yall wanted this. Own it. Dont hide now

[BuckyIsAB****]

Our kids are not very happy because they know they deserve better than these 3-4 cavender cowboy carpet baggers

[CaptainObvious]

Every major problem on our coaching staff, on and off the field, is From Mississippi.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Every major problem on our coaching staff, on and off the field, is From Mississippi.

The biggest one is Arnetts boy going waayyyyyyy back. 3 on field and 1 off field have pulled an entire program down in the shitter

[Coach34]

Yeah they suck. They sucked bad enough for us to have 8-9 win expectations. Now they are trash and poor old tuff guys are making chicken salad out of chicken shitz.

Yall wanted this. Own it. Dont hide now

I'm not saying they suck- but facts dont change. We lost draft picks and guys that made rosters from last years team. This team is very different. Lost 4/5 top pass catchers...lost 7 of top 10 tacklers.

Of this huge Grad/Sr/Jr group that we have- NOBODY is projected to be drafted. That says it all

[RiverCityDawg]

The biggest one is Arnetts boy going waayyyyyyy back. 3 on field and 1 off field have pulled an entire program down in the shitter

Friend, Schmidt, and _____ on the field and Peterson off the field? Who am I missing?

[MrCoachKlein]

Friend, Schmidt, and _____ on the field and Peterson off the field? Who am I missing?
Brock? Lol