This is it

[BuckyIsAB****]

This is to Arnett and staff what Tennessee was to Moorhead in 2019.

You lose and it is over. Period.

[parabrave]

Jomo had way more talent than this team.

[Quaoarsking]

That's a good comparison. Arizona was almost his Kansas State, though we stole away that win.

And 6-6 and an Egg will save his job, unless off-the-field issues prevent that.

[gtowndawg]

That's a good comparison. Arizona was almost his Kansas State, though we stole away that win.

And 6-6 and an Egg will save his job, unless off-the-field issues prevent that.

I agree. Go 6-6 with an Egg Bowl win and I think he's retained (but some changes would still need to be made). I don't see that happening, but I hope it does.

[KB21]

He’s done.

[EdwardDrayton]

That's a good comparison. Arizona was almost his Kansas State, though we stole away that win.

And 6-6 and an Egg will save his job, unless off-the-field issues prevent that.

Q, do you mean that there are off the field issues already in the wind or IF those were to happen?

[Coach34]

So if he beats Auburn and Kentucky to go 6-6 he wont keep his job? I dont believe that for a second

[SPMT]

He?s done.

Yeah, I don?t see this team winning 2 SEC games. Beat Arkansas and I could see it, but they just don?t look clean enough in execution in any area to win two SEC games.

Southern Miss isn?t necessarily a given from what I?ve seen.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah, I don?t see this team winning 2 SEC games. Beat Arkansas and I could see it, but they just don?t look clean enough in execution in any area to win two SEC games.

Southern Miss isn?t necessarily a given from what I?ve seen.

Then you haven't seen USM at all this season. Especially last night.

[SPMT]

So if he beats Auburn and Kentucky to go 6-6 he wont keep his job? I dont believe that for a second

He will keep it and he absolutely should keep it.

[Coach34]

Southern Miss isn?t necessarily a given from what I?ve seen.

We'll beat Southern badly. That couldnt have been a serious post. Southern is one of the worst teams in the country

[Quaoarsking]

Q, do you mean that there are off the field issues already in the wind or IF those were to happen?

Just speaking hypothetically.

[Quaoarsking]

So if he beats Auburn and Kentucky to go 6-6 he wont keep his job? I dont believe that for a second

He probably will be retained, but morale will be abysmal and he'll probably get fired after next year.

[SPMT]

Then you haven't seen USM at all this season. Especially last night.

I must confess, I do not make a habit of watching Southern Miss

[viverlibre]

That's a good comparison. Arizona was almost his Kansas State, though we stole away that win.

And 6-6 and an Egg will save his job, unless off-the-field issues prevent that.

At 6-6, with or without the egg, he's 100% back. Vegas had our win total at 6.5, so he'd be on track.

[Lord McBuckethead]

At 6-6, with or without the egg, he's 100% back. Vegas had our win total at 6.5, so he'd be on track.

On track to what? Meeting outside expectations? 6-6 is not good. Especially added to how the defense looks.

[confucius say]

Nah. We could lose Saturday, beat auburn and Kentucky and southern, and he keeps the job at 6-6.

[CadaverDawg]

This team ain't winning 6 games. And as much as I think Selmon will definitely give him one more year....I'm not sure Selmon wants to see an empty stadium and no money coming in for an entire season....so he's going to have a decision to make.

If there's any signs of us improving game to game to finish the year, he probably keeps him. If we continue seeing what we've been seeing and go 4-8, he's definitely toast.

[Jarius]

We'll beat Southern badly. That couldnt have been a serious post. Southern is one of the worst teams in the country

If we can’t beat a 2-5 Arkansas team that lost to a dog shit BYU team at home we are not beating both Kentucky and Auburn. We may steal one of them but not both and he should be fired if he doesn’t go to a bowl game. This is his career Saturday. Of course we should let the season play out, but it’s highly unlikely we go to a bowl game if he loses Saturday.

[EdwardDrayton]

On track to what? Meeting outside expectations? 6-6 is not good. Especially added to how the defense looks.

Yeah but we were picked last by a lot of folks so 6-6 and a bowl game gets him another year without a doubt.

[CadaverDawg]

I've got one more month to enjoy my signature. Won't be able to use it after Thanksgiving when Kiffin punks us.

[EdwardDrayton]

This team ain't winning 6 games. And as much as I think Selmon will definitely give him one more year....I'm not sure Selmon wants to see an empty stadium and no money coming in for an entire season....so he's going to have a decision to make.

If there's any signs of us improving game to game to finish the year, he probably keeps him. If we continue seeing what we've been seeing and go 4-8, he's definitely toast.

4-8 and he's done.

[EdwardDrayton]

We'll beat Southern badly. That couldnt have been a serious post. Southern is one of the worst teams in the country

Southern is just plain awful.

[CadaverDawg]

Southern is horrendous. If we lose to Southern he better get fired that night...and I'm not kidding. They are THAT terrible. We could run Creed Whittemore out there at QB and beat USM by 2-3 scores

[confucius say]

Ark is higher than Auburn and KY in the analytical power ratings. Meaning they would be favored over both.

[TrapGame]

4-8 and he's done.

Yep. And if Arkansas pounds us like a $2 whore the rumors will start getting hot.



Southern is horrendous. If we lose to Southern he better get fired that night...and I'm not kidding. They are THAT terrible. We could run Creed Whittemore out there at QB and beat USM by 2-3 scores

Seriously, if we stay within two touchdowns of USM everybody needs to be fired. They made South Alabama look like Ohio State.

[PGHBulldogBG]

The only game I really see us having a possibility of winning is UK but only because it?s at home. That is still just a 50/50 chance though. I don?t see this team winning any road games

[DesotoDog1967]

What ever combination of wins that keeps the bowl steak alive keeps him here. That's 13 or 14 years there

[CoachT14]

The only game I really see us having a possibility of winning is UK but only because it?s at home. That is still just a 50/50 chance though. I don?t see this team winning any road games

Yeah that game at SC is getting worse and worse. They are awful.

[RiverCityDawg]

I've been saying we go 4-8, but the more I think about it, I see a scenario where we win this one - new QB maybe gives some element of surprise, Arkansas struggling on offense maybe gives our defense a chance, Arkansas might be down with all the losing, etc....

...But then we lose 4 of the last 5 and finish 5-7 with a big loss on Thanksgiving.

So I think losing this one is crippling for Arnett, but I also don't think winning it completely saves him... More of a stay of execution. He has to win 2 of the next 3 and I don't see him doing it if we lose to Arkansas.

[99jc]

We will not beat ole miss they are a better team with a better qb and a much better coach. they will light our arse up!

[CoachT14]

We will not beat ole miss they are a better team with a better qb and a much better coach. they will light our arse up!

Everyone outside of USM on our school has either a better QB or a better coach than us, some have both. This could be bad.

Arkansas
- better QB
- Push at HC, Pittman is more experienced though at this point.
- @Arkansas

Auburn
- probably a push at QB
- Hugh Freeze is going to coach circles around Arnett the dunce.
- @Auburn

Kentucky
- Leary > whoever we trot out there.
- Stoops will also coach circles around Zach Croom.

Texas A&M
- Max Johnson is probably better than both Will and Mike. But it's a push.
- Dumbo sucks, but he doesn't suck as bad as Sylvester Arnett.
- It's also at A&M

Ole Miss
- Dart is the best QB in the SEC outside of maybe Beck (talent?)
- Kiffin is going to make Arnett his b-boy.

Dark days ahead unless Arnett suddenly becomes mediocre at his job.

[Dawgface]

So if he beats Auburn and Kentucky to go 6-6 he wont keep his job? I dont believe that for a second

Oh he will keep his job under that scenario. But that ain't happening. 4-8 with a bad beat down by OM.

[BuckyIsAB****]

So if he beats Auburn and Kentucky to go 6-6 he wont keep his job? I dont believe that for a second

If you lose to Arkansas you aint winning those.

You wanted no leach and no will. Yall about to get your wish

[Coach34]

If you lose to Arkansas you aint winning those.

You wanted no leach and no will. Yall about to get your wish

UPig is the best team of the 3. Bama just survived them at home. Our offense is better than Auburn's. Their D is better tho than ours.

I have never been "anti-Will". Just was never sold on his greatness like you. Throwing checkdown passes to RB's isnt that tough. I'm simply curious to see what a mobile QB can do in this offense with a gameplan for him. A few simplified passes. Let's roll

[BuckyIsAB****]

UPig is the best team of the 3. Bama just survived them at home. Our offense is better than Auburn's. Their D is better tho than ours.

I have never been "anti-Will". Just was never sold on his greatness like you. Throwing checkdown passes to RB's isnt that tough. I'm simply curious to see what a mobile QB can do in this offense with a gameplan for him. A few simplified passes. Let's roll

Im rooting like hell for him and us. But you are 1000000000 percent anti Leach which would make you 100 percent anti will. Just be honest it?s ok

[Coach34]

Loved Leach. Hated his offense. Make sure you get that distinction correct

[Coach34]

But Auburn is the worst team in the SEC in offense right now. Gives us a chance against them

[basedog]

Big time rumor is IF we don't win another Sec game he will be gone. Money boys have spoken, Arnett's contract in today's market is very doable. Times have changed big time with players and coaches especially with first year inexperience coaches getting another year or two.

[KB21]

Success rate on offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VxLJHWYAApct_?format=jpg&name=medium

Mississippi State is last in the SEC.

[basedog]

But Auburn is the worst team in the SEC in offense right now. Gives us a chance against them

I'd say it's more of a push but maybe a slight edge for Auburn playing at home.

[CoachT14]

I'd say it's more of a push but maybe a slight edge for Auburn playing at home.

Let's not forget that Freeze is 10x the coach Arnett is.

[Coach34]

I'd say it's more of a push but maybe a slight edge for Auburn playing at home.

agree

[ZedFedder]

Arkansas is not good, but they also are not terrible. They played both Bama and LSU close. We, on the other hand, did not.

[FISHDAWG]

Arkansas is not good, but they also are not terrible. They played both Bama and LSU close. We, on the other hand, did not.

I think Arkansas would beat South Carolina.... we will have our hands full Saturday

[confucius say]

Success rate on offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VxLJHWYAApct_?format=jpg&name=medium

Mississippi State is last in the SEC.

Heard Bartoo say yesterday that our offense is 47 in scoring efficiency. I was shocked it was that high.

[KB21]

Heard Bartoo say yesterday that our offense is 47 in scoring efficiency. I was shocked it was that high.

Dave never lets you see what his metrics are though. Heck, he's a big reason we got Barbay. Arnett used his coaching services to get Barbay. That's why you see them regurgitate Dave's stuff in Barbay's bio.

[Coach34]

Heard Bartoo say yesterday that our offense is 47 in scoring efficiency. I was shocked it was that high.

Too much AR Cult propaganda telling you otherwise

[Really Clark?]

Dave never lets you see what his metrics are though. Heck, he's a big reason we got Barbay. Arnett used his coaching services to get Barbay. That's why you see them regurgitate Dave's stuff in Barbay's bio.

What's our scoring efficiency from other sites?

[KB21]

Rushing offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8V1uxKW8AAvcYg?format=jpg&name=medium

Passing offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8V0d8-WEAABt_5?format=jpg&name=medium

Scoring drive rate:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VwD47WcAA3k97?format=jpg&name=medium

3 and out rate:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VvqDMXEAE02YX?format=jpg&name=900x900

[CoachT14]

Rushing offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8V1uxKW8AAvcYg?format=jpg&name=medium

Passing offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8V0d8-WEAABt_5?format=jpg&name=medium

Scoring drive rate:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VwD47WcAA3k97?format=jpg&name=medium

3 and out rate:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VvqDMXEAE02YX?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://media1.giphy.com/media/x47gj23jEvGxdWkQEC/giphy.gif

[KB21]

Special teams is legitimately the only area where this team is good.

[Coach34]

Special teams is legitimately the only area where this team is good.

Which usually means you have a well-coached team

[RiverCityDawg]

Which usually means you have a well-coached team

I agree, Mele is a really good special teams coach.

[KB21]

Which usually means you have a well-coached team

Wait. So, special teams being the only component that is good means you have a well coached team, even though offense and defense both suck? No. It probably has more to do with Eric Mele being the best coach on the staff.

[Coach34]

Wait. So, special teams being the only component that is good means you have a well coached team, even though offense and defense both suck? No. It probably has more to do with Eric Mele being the best coach on the staff.

Our offense is currently scoring at the same rate last year's did- 8th in the SEC. Auburn's offense sucks- 14th in the SEC

[SPMT]

Which usually means you have a well-coached team

Stop trolling.

Im not necessarily for firing him, however, the team is horrible and he doesn’t have the pedigree to give “time for a rebuild”. He’s not proven that he has that ability like Leach had done numerous times.

[KB21]

Our offense is currently scoring at the same rate last year's did- 8th in the SEC. Auburn's offense sucks- 14th in the SEC

Offensive PPP was 0.499 at the same point last year. This year, it is 0.420. So no. We aren't as efficient scoring as we were last year at the same point in the schedule. Then you take into account that last year, we played a tougher schedule to this point as well. Our EPA/play was higher last year as well at the same point in the schedule.

[Really Clark?]

Rushing offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8V1uxKW8AAvcYg?format=jpg&name=medium

Passing offense:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8V0d8-WEAABt_5?format=jpg&name=medium

Scoring drive rate:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VwD47WcAA3k97?format=jpg&name=medium

3 and out rate:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8VvqDMXEAE02YX?format=jpg&name=900x900

What's our scoring efficiency ranking?

[gtowndawg]

5-7 with an Egg Bowl loss = he gone.

[KB21]

What's our scoring efficiency ranking?

9th

[Really Clark?]

9th

Link? Bartoo has us 47th nationally. What does the other sites have us?

[Coach34]

Offensive PPP was 0.499 at the same point last year. This year, it is 0.420. So no. We aren't as efficient scoring as we were last year at the same point in the schedule. Then you take into account that last year, we played a tougher schedule to this point as well. Our EPA/play was higher last year as well at the same point in the schedule.

We are 8th in the SEC currently- same as last year. We'll see if it changes in the next 6 games

[Wink&aPrayer]

He?s done.

He's gone. No coming back

[KB21]

Link? Bartoo has us 47th nationally. What does the other sites have us?

https://www.secstatcat.com/sec/team-stats

Team Rankins has Mississippi State tied for 46th in PPP. I don't have a PFF account. Beta Rank has us at 58 in offensive ranking. They have us 97th in drive efficiency.

[Coach34]

Now do defensive stats- which is the real problem for this team

[Santiago]

We are 8th in the SEC currently- same as last year. We'll see if it changes in the next 6 games

We seem to have wasted alot of offseason focus on offense instead of defense.

[Really Clark?]

https://www.secstatcat.com/sec/team-stats

Team Rankins has Mississippi State tied for 46th in PPP. I don't have a PFF account. Beta Rank has us at 58 in offensive ranking. They have us 97th in drive efficiency.

Gotcha. PPP may be something close to what Bartoo is also coming up with his metric. .420 this year according to Team Rankings and .400 last year, ranked 51st.

[Quaoarsking]

The only offensive and defensive rankings that matter are analytics ones like FPI. It should be an autoban if someone mentions our national rank in yards or points as if everyone is facing the same quality competition.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Which usually means you have a well-coached team

Mele was good with Leach. You are trying too hard

[Coach34]

Mele was good with Leach. You are trying too hard

Not saying he wasnt- but you know as well as I do teams that are good on ST's are usually coached well or extremely talented. And we both know we arent extremely talented.

It's basically a stereotype. Is it always true? No. But stereotypes exist for a reason.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Not saying he wasnt- but you know as well as I do teams that are good on ST's are usually coached well or extremely talented. And we both know we arent extremely talented.

It's basically a stereotype. Is it always true? No. But stereotypes exist for a reason.

Well. Im not sure our kids are all in with this staff. I think that is issue number 1. We all said how much experienced talent we had in August. It didnt disappear. Something is not right

[Coach34]

Well. Im not sure our kids are all in with this staff. I think that is issue number 1. We all said how much experienced talent we had in August. It didnt disappear. Something is not right

I hear ya. Experience hasnt really become the positive we hoped. We have clearly seen the pieces we lost from last season have hurt us tremendously.

[SpaceBully]

This is to Arnett and staff what Tennessee was to Moorhead in 2019.

You lose and it is over. Period.

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

[Cowbell]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

Correct

[RiverCityDawg]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

There's ZERO percent chance he gets another year if we lose out, and close to that if we only beat USM.

[Really Clark?]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

He can't go 3-9 with losses to USM and UM to end the season and keep his job. It won't happen.

[Mjoelner34]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

Jimmy Sexton sure hopes so.

[Dawgface]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

Oh boy. I may take a 2 year nap from MSU football.

[KOdawg1]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

False.

[basedog]

Correct

Not what I'm hearing.

[KOdawg1]

Correct
Not correct

[Todd4State]

He can't go 3-9 with losses to USM and UM to end the season and keep his job. It won't happen.

If we lose to this USM team- damn.

[Really Clark?]

If we lose to this USM team- damn.

Yeah, they are beyond pitiful.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think this will come down the egg bowl.

No one thought we were firing Croom during the middle of the 2008 season. He was reigning SEC coach of the year. We fired him after his team quit on him against a solid bear team.

If we play hard these last six games and every game is competitive, but we go 4-8 we may keep him. He could go 5-7 and if he loses egg bowl in embarrassing fashion, he may not get another year.

My problem is that if we are actually talking about firing him next year, why are we waiting? We all see the team we have coming back. We lose DL, LB, WR, RB, and what is not getting talked about enough is OL.

Here is what we have coming back there:

Leon Bell - Has barely played
Canon Boone - Has barely played, most likely will be processed
Percy Lewis - He will be starter, but he has only started one game this season.
Albert Reese - Has played about 25 snaps on the OL, will have to be a starter
Jakson LaHue - Has not played
Zay Alexander - True freshman, has not played
Amari Smith - True Freshman, has not played

Guys, that is one returning start for our ENTIRE OL next year. I've never even heard of that.

The reason I'm looking this up, is that next season will not be good. It is not like he will be able to turn the ship around and go 7-5 with this group. As we all know, OL is the hardest position group to develop, it takes time.

[Commercecomet24]

If we lose to this USM team- damn.

IF that happens I think I'm gonna wear a bag over my head like the saints fans did years ago. That being said usm really really sucks IF we do lose to them we will have to be rated as the worst team in cfb. I think we'll find out a lot tomorrow if this team is going to fight for the rest of the year or go out with a whimper.

[Commercecomet24]

He'll get 2 years even if we don't win another game this year.

Nope.

[KB21]

You don't structure a contract the way his is structured and not move on after a bad season. We are looking at 4-8 right in the face. That's a tremendous drop off from a 9 win team that returned 14 starters. Plus, it's going to be hard for Arnett to hire new offensive and defensive coordinators as a lame duck.

[CoachT14]

You don't structure a contract the way his is structured and not move on after a bad season. We are looking at 4-8 right in the face. That's a tremendous drop off from a 9 win team that returned 14 starters. Plus, it's going to be hard for Arnett to hire new offensive and defensive coordinators as a lame duck.

That contract signals anything less than 6 wins and we are moving on.

[KB21]

That contract signals anything less than 6 wins and we are moving on.

And I'm not typically one that is for pulling the plug on a coach this early. Sometimes, things are just obvious though. Also, the new coach in 2024 will get more leeway and benefit of the doubt than Zach. Zach lost the benefit of the doubt with his off season decisions.

[Coach34]

You don't structure a contract the way his is structured and not move on after a bad season. We are looking at 4-8 right in the face. That's a tremendous drop off from a 9 win team that returned 14 starters. Plus, it's going to be hard for Arnett to hire new offensive and defensive coordinators as a lame duck.

11 starters- not 14

People said the same about Lemon hiring a PC- yet he killed it with his hire

Need to let it play out. We have 6 games left

[Commercecomet24]

11 starters- not 14

People said the same about Lemon hiring a PC- yet he killed it with his hire

Need to let it play out. We have 6 games left

Yes, let it play out. And we really have no choice, but to let it play out. 6 games is a whole lot of season left for good(or for bad).

[Homedawg]

Yes, let it play out. And we really have no choice, but to let it play out. 6 games is a whole lot of season left for good(or for bad).

We could run the table- and I know we have no shot of that bc of the d- and kb would still bitch.

[Commercecomet24]

We could run the table- and I know we have no shot of that bc of the d- and kb would still bitch.

That is the 100% most accurate post on here without a doubt!

ETA Like you said it won't happen but it sure as heck would be fun to watch, lol!

[Turfdawg67]

11 starters- not 14

People said the same about Lemon hiring a PC- yet he killed it with his hire

Need to let it play out. We have 6 games left

Look, I'm a State fan through and through and I'd give myself a lifetime ban if we could win our remaining games. If we can win 2 SEC games (and not lose to USM) then I'll ban myself for 4 months... OM being one of the 2 = 6 months. I'm saying this because I don't want us to lose and I ALWAYS back our coaches, usually when it's no longer deserved. But from who was hired, the supporting staff, the returning veterans and subsequently the product on the field... anyone without an agenda can see this is doomed. Abort ASAP and start over. I hope I'm wrong but 4-8/0-8 is my gut feeling, but maybe Wright will be our savior! I hope so! And that's no knock on Will but the shitty O they put him in.

[Coach34]

Look, I'm a State fan through and through and I'd give myself a lifetime ban if we could win our remaining games. If we can win 2 SEC games (and not lose to USM) then I'll ban myself for 4 months... OM being one of the 2 = 6 months. I'm saying this because I don't want us to lose and I ALWAYS back our coaches, usually when it's no longer deserved. But from who was hired, the supporting staff, the returning veterans and subsequently the product on the field... anyone without an agenda can see this is doomed. Abort ASAP and start over. I hope I'm wrong but 4-8/0-8 is my gut feeling, but maybe Wright will be our savior! I hope so! And that's no knock on Will but the shitty O they put him in.

We scored 30 and still lost one SEC game....I wonder whyyyyyyyyy

[Homedawg]

We scored 30 and still lost one SEC game....I wonder whyyyyyyyyy

Nvm that's the day he threw for his career high in passing yards and didn't even have to throw it 60 times to do it.

[Todd4State]

I think this will come down the egg bowl.

No one thought we were firing Croom during the middle of the 2008 season. He was reigning SEC coach of the year. We fired him after his team quit on him against a solid bear team.

If we play hard these last six games and every game is competitive, but we go 4-8 we may keep him. He could go 5-7 and if he loses egg bowl in embarrassing fashion, he may not get another year.

My problem is that if we are actually talking about firing him next year, why are we waiting? We all see the team we have coming back. We lose DL, LB, WR, RB, and what is not getting talked about enough is OL.

Here is what we have coming back there:

Leon Bell - Has barely played
Canon Boone - Has barely played, most likely will be processed
Percy Lewis - He will be starter, but he has only started one game this season.
Albert Reese - Has played about 25 snaps on the OL, will have to be a starter
Jakson LaHue - Has not played
Zay Alexander - True freshman, has not played
Amari Smith - True Freshman, has not played

Guys, that is one returning start for our ENTIRE OL next year. I've never even heard of that.

The reason I'm looking this up, is that next season will not be good. It is not like he will be able to turn the ship around and go 7-5 with this group. As we all know, OL is the hardest position group to develop, it takes time.

If we go 4-8 I don't think we keep him.

The elephant in the room is this staff was put in place because of a tragedy. They haven't really done anything to excite the fanbase and we have looked sloppy in every game. It's kind of like Moorhead where yeah we won 8 games in 2018 but that was still underachieving and what we did accomplish was mostly because of what Dan had left behind and the remnants of the culture that was in place. In other words, if we win anything it's essentially because of the culture that was in place before and not because of anything much this coaching staff did.

So if you are MSU how long can you really go on with that in place? This is our money and cash cow sport. Bringing this group back isn't going to excite anyone next year or beyond. What is eventually is going to happen is inevitable. Just like when Matt Luke went 6-6 because they scored on a Hail Mary against Kentucky and then hurt our QB in the Egg Bowl. If we do win it's probably not going to be in a way that is sustainable. It's going to cost MSU millions if they bring this group back because no one outside of maybe a few really believe this is actually going to work.

[Todd4State]

Yes, let it play out. And we really have no choice, but to let it play out. 6 games is a whole lot of season left for good(or for bad).

It's going to be a long six weeks I'm afraid.

[Todd4State]

IF that happens I think I'm gonna wear a bag over my head like the saints fans did years ago. That being said usm really really sucks IF we do lose to them we will have to be rated as the worst team in cfb. I think we'll find out a lot tomorrow if this team is going to fight for the rest of the year or go out with a whimper.

I agree. We've looked pretty listless all year long. It seems like there is a lot of confusion on both sides of the ball.

[Bothrops]

Jomo had way more talent than this team.

Not on offense

[basedog]

In today's game and market with NIL, you can't keep an inexperience coach like this year is going, I hope we win out and yes, it's a wait and see "thang" but the money guys have spoken and let be know IF we go winless in the SEC.

Big game for this staff today, but so is the remaining SEC schedule.

[msudawg1200]

We scored 30 and still lost one SEC game....I wonder whyyyyyyyyy

Yeah, and that game we scored 30 was the second fewest points scored by a FBS team against that team. That team also let another QB besides our's throw for over 400 yards and also set a career high. That game is an anomaly because that team we did it against defense is almost, I said almost, as atrocious as our's. Our offense and defense both suck. Bad. Very bad. Embarrassingly bad.

[defiantdog]

In today's game and market with NIL, you can't keep an inexperience coach like this year is going, I hope we win out and yes, it's a wait and see "thang" but the money guys have spoken and let be know IF we go winless in the SEC.

Big game for this staff today, but so is the remaining SEC schedule.
I can't see an SEC game we win this year. It's like the team just doesn't want it enough. Wouldn't be upset if they cut the coaches out before the season ends and let Bump hype the team through the rest of the season.

[Ezsoil]

Southern Miss isn?t necessarily a given from what I?ve seen.[/QUOTE]



Not sure what games you have been watching but this game won't be close ...especially if it's Will's first game back

[DesotoDog1967]

How is everyone's grades? Didn't State make it to the St Petersburg bowl because of grades?

[BuckyIsAB****]

This game was the definition of the tropic thunder survive meme

[Ezsoil]

5-7 with an Egg Bowl loss = he gone.

And what will the expectation be next year? Is the next guy fired if he goes 5-7 in the first year? Using that mentality, Mullen would have been fired... If Arnett is fired ....good luck attracting anyone of substance.

[DesotoDog1967]

I heard Fibebaum on YouTube today saying Arkansas basically lost to an interim coach yesterday. Very easy contract to walk away from after the season and now Zach has Sexton to you want to talk a new contract? Cut bait if no biwl game and Egg bowl loss IMO

[MagicDawg]

To be fair, Mullen's first year 5-7 was exciting and an upward trend from the previous seasons. We were in the game with LSU and that was the loss that kept us from a bowl that year. We seemed to be trending in the right direction, with more people taking notice of the program and buying into Mullen's approach as we went.

If we go 5-7 with no bowl game this season, it will not be an upward trend compared to our recent past. The excitement level is not the same, and the sense of leadership is not the same. There does not seem to be a feeling that there's a competent young smarta$$ coach at the helm who is figuring it out but seems to have a grasp of how to move forward. Instead, the coach frequently gives off vibes of being unfocused, unprepared, and out of his depth.

Just saying one 5-7 year is the same as another isn't an honest comparison.

[Todd4State]

To be fair, Mullen's first year 5-7 was exciting and an upward trend from the previous seasons. We were in the game with LSU and that was the loss that kept us from a bowl that year. We seemed to be trending in the right direction, with more people taking notice of the program and buying into Mullen's approach as we went.

If we go 5-7 with no bowl game this season, it will not be an upward trend compared to our recent past. The excitement level is not the same, and the sense of leadership is not the same. There does not seem to be a feeling that there's a competent young smarta$$ coach at the helm who is figuring it out but seems to have a grasp of how to move forward. Instead, the coach frequently gives off vibes of being unfocused, unprepared, and out of his depth.

Just saying one 5-7 year is the same as another isn't an honest comparison.

Exactly. Dan's first year we went 5-7 but we were 4-8 with an Egg Bowl blowout loss the year before. Completely different than now taking a team that should have been a 9-10 win team to 5-7.

[FISHDAWG]

To be fair, Mullen's first year 5-7 was exciting and an upward trend from the previous seasons. We were in the game with LSU and that was the loss that kept us from a bowl that year. We seemed to be trending in the right direction, with more people taking notice of the program and buying into Mullen's approach as we went.

If we go 5-7 with no bowl game this season, it will not be an upward trend compared to our recent past. The excitement level is not the same, and the sense of leadership is not the same. There does not seem to be a feeling that there's a competent young smarta$$ coach at the helm who is figuring it out but seems to have a grasp of how to move forward. Instead, the coach frequently gives off vibes of being unfocused, unprepared, and out of his depth.

Just saying one 5-7 year is the same as another isn't an honest comparison.

Good post and good point... have some rep .... I will say that the feeling is much different between those two first year coaches and nobody is more dissatisfied with the current staff than me but firing a first year coach could also send a bad message to future candidates.... I think he has to have one more year whether we like it or not.

[Mjoelner34]

If we go 4-8 I don't think we keep him.

The elephant in the room is this staff was put in place because of a tragedy. They haven't really done anything to excite the fanbase and we have looked sloppy in every game. It's kind of like Moorhead where yeah we won 8 games in 2018 but that was still underachieving and what we did accomplish was mostly because of what Dan had left behind and the remnants of the culture that was in place. In other words, if we win anything it's essentially because of the culture that was in place before and not because of anything much this coaching staff did.

So if you are MSU how long can you really go on with that in place? This is our money and cash cow sport. Bringing this group back isn't going to excite anyone next year or beyond. What is eventually is going to happen is inevitable. Just like when Matt Luke went 6-6 because they scored on a Hail Mary against Kentucky and then hurt our QB in the Egg Bowl. If we do win it's probably not going to be in a way that is sustainable. It's going to cost MSU millions if they bring this group back because no one outside of maybe a few really believe this is actually going to work.

Or just like Croom's fake 7 win season due to two pick 6's and a punt return. The next year we didn't get the pick 6's or the punt return and we were back to 4 wins. And, before I get accused of 'hating' wins which seems to be the call to arms the last couple of days on here, I was happy as hell we beat Bama, Ole Miss and went to a won a bowl game (Thank you Wesley Carroll for telling our coach how to score), I saw that season for what it was. A one-off piece of luck built on 3 un-scripted plays hitting at critical times during the games.

[TrapGame]

Or just like Croom's fake 7 win season due to two pick 6's and a punt return. The next year we didn't get the pick 6's or the punt return and we were back to 4 wins. And, before I get accused of 'hating' wins which seems to be the call to arms the last couple of days on here, I was happy as hell we beat Bama, Ole Miss and went to a won a bowl game (Thank you Wesley Carroll for telling our coach how to score), I saw that season for what it was. A one-off piece of luck built on 3 un-scripted plays hitting at critical times during the games.

Wes calling an audible out of a run to a pass for a touchdown then getting his freaking ass chewed out by Croom afterwards told me everything about that season.

And you are a win hater! Don't hate the win, hate the game, bruh!!! ***