What would our record be if Leach were still alive and our coach?

[Quaoarsking]

I remember the anti-Leach crowd claiming that Leach to Arnett was an upgrade and we'd actually get +1 in the win column out of it (!). Of course they look even more foolish they than usually did now.

With Leach, we beat Arizona and Western Michigan without any difficulty (the games would be essentially over in the first half, not in doubt in the 4th quarter like they actually were), and also beat South Carolina. I don't think we beat LSU or Alabama, but at least we move the ball on LSU and don't get embarrassed. So we are actually -1 thanks to Arnett, not +1, with an ominous back half of the schedule still looming, and that -1 doesn't fully convey how big of a downgrade Leach to Arnett has been.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We would have beaten USCe. and maybe one of LSU or Bama. The 2 reasons are, Arnett back at DC and the OL not sucking. 3rd reason, their training in the off season.

[BuckyIsAB****]

1 loss

[parabrave]

The Same. As for LSU we passed for most of the game when we should've run.

[DownwardDawg]

4-2. Losses to Bama and LSU. But Arizona game would have been a blowout and we would be looking much better. We would win 2 of the next 3 also, if not all 3.

[msstate7]

The offense cost us the USCe game?

[DownwardDawg]

The offense cost us the USCe game?

Where do you see that?
And stop. You're better than that.

[msstate7]

Where do you see that?
And stop. You're better than that.

Just wondering how leach woulda helped us stop them from scoring. Our offensive performance against South Carolina was damn good

[DownwardDawg]

Just wondering how leach woulda helped us stop them from scoring. Our offensive performance against South Carolina was damn good

Arnett would be the D coordinator. Leach would be in charge of the program. Including all the offseason preparation. Not Arnett. I think it makes a huge difference.

[msstate7]

Arnett would be the D coordinator. Leach would be in charge of the program. Including all the offseason preparation. Not Arnett. I think it makes a huge difference.

Perhaps. Our defense would be bad if prime Buddy Ryan was in charge. There's no talent on the back end and no speed anywhere

[Quaoarsking]

The offense cost us the USCe game?

It wouldn't have taken much more to beat them. A little better offense and a little better defense and we we win, and Leach/Arnett is more than "a little better" than Arnett/Brock.

[State82]

My guess would be 4-2. With a legit shot at 2-3 more wins as opposed to maybe one more as it stands now.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Perhaps. Our defense would be bad if prime Buddy Ryan was in charge. There's no talent on the back end and no speed anywhere

No talent?

3 four star CBs
5 four star Safeties.


Maybe it's just coaching.

[BlackSailsDawg]

It wouldn't have taken much more to beat them. A little better offense and a little better defense and we we win, and Leach/Arnett is more than "a little better" than Arnett/Brock.

That's right. The TOP under Leach would have restricted the amount of plays they ran.

[msstate7]

No talent?

3 four star CBs
5 four star Safeties.


Maybe it's just coaching.

It's the same defensive guys that have fielded good defenses since they got here.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

3-3

[msstate7]

It wouldn't have taken much more to beat them. A little better offense and a little better defense and we we win, and Leach/Arnett is more than "a little better" than Arnett/Brock.

500+ total yards and 30 pts on the road sec game has only happened 3 times since 2020: lsu in 2020, vandy in 2021, and South Carolina 2023. It's hardly a given leach coulda done better offensively

[Santiago]

500+ total yards and 30 pts on the road sec game has only happened 3 times since 2020: lsu in 2020, vandy in 2021, and South Carolina 2023. It's hardly a given leach coulda done better offensively

nm

[KB21]

5-1

[Dawgology]

4-2 at worst. Possibly 6-0

[Churchill]

4-2

[EdwardDrayton]

No way to know because we don't know what he would've or could've done in the portal.

[Quaoarsking]

500+ total yards and 30 pts on the road sec game has only happened 3 times since 2020: lsu in 2020, vandy in 2021, and South Carolina 2023. It's hardly a given leach coulda done better offensively

Nothing's ever "a given" in college football, but I think it's fairly likely that we beat South Carolina if Leach were still here.

[DEDawg]

4-2 just the SC win. We were never beating Ala or LSU with this defensive roster. It?s terrible from a talent perspective. Our best players are our interior line backers and they are average at best

[drummerdawg]

5-1

[Lord McBuckethead]

Perhaps. Our defense would be bad if prime Buddy Ryan was in charge. There's no talent on the back end and no speed anywhere

Except imagine if Arnett was only focused on recruiting the portal for defense instead of running the entire program with 3 days notice.

[Ezsoil]

Perhaps. Our defense would be bad if prime Buddy Ryan was in charge. There's no talent on the back end and no speed anywhere

This is the answer ....I knew losing Wheat was critical as he was the ONLY defender off last years team that could penetrate....but I didn't realize how much the secondary would regress

[Homedawg]

5-1

Lmao. Right. What world do you live in.

[Coach34]

3-3

The defense would still be the same

[Goldendawg]

3-3

The defense would still be the same

Agree with 3-3 maybe 4-2 with a win over LSU or USCe as his AR would have continued to be something Will could run, even though it bored me to tears. It would also have had more TOP and kept our horrible D off the field more. CZA would have still been running our SEC mid-pack D which would have probably fallen more with no SEC level DB's and no game changers or depth at DL.

[Quaoarsking]

his AR would have continued to be something Will could run, even though it bored me to tears.

I just don't get this take at all. The Air Raid was a hell of a lot more exciting than anything we've run this year, except for the South Carolina game to some extent. Maybe it's just a personal philosophy kind of thing.

[msstate7]

I just don't get this take at all. The Air Raid was a hell of a lot more exciting than anything we've run this year, except for the South Carolina game to some extent. Maybe it's just a personal philosophy kind of thing.

We're actually up in yds/play this season

[Cooterpoot]

The same because he didn't recruit

[Quaoarsking]

We're actually up in yds/play this season

And down 30 ranks in offensive FPI.

[Todd4State]

We're actually up in yds/play this season

That's like me saying that our pitching staff was good because of our K/9 ratio was good.

[Homedawg]

The same because he didn't recruit
Yep

[Homedawg]

Nothing's ever "a given" in college football, but I think it's fairly likely that we beat South Carolina if Leach were still here.

How? He was going to score more than 37??

[PGHBulldogBG]

To me it?s not so much about the record but about the actual team performance. I don?t care if Saban is coaching this team, we would not beat LSU or Bama due to the talent deficit. We need to start recruiting better if we want to beat LSU Bama UGA and now Oklahoma. The rest of the SEC teams we can win if we have the right coaching and just a small uptick in raw talent. I think Leach may have won that USCe game, but with Leach I bet we look more poised and don?t need OT to beat Arizona after 5 turnovers. Also I would think we keep pace with LSU and Bama more in the first 3 quarters instead of just getting run off the field. The big difference is the back half of the schedule. Leach would win 4 or the last 6. I?m not confident Arnett will win more than USM. Hopefully I am wrong, but I think that is where we would see the true differences in records not necessarily the record to date. Leach would be 8-4 or 9-3 with this team and people would still be complaining, just not to the same extent

[Todd4State]

How? He was going to score more than 37??

We scored 40+ last on a similar defense last year in Arkansas. So 37 doesn't seem unrealistic to me.

[Bothrops]

I remember the anti-Leach crowd claiming that Leach to Arnett was an upgrade and we'd actually get +1 in the win column out of it (!). Of course they look even more foolish they than usually did now.

With Leach, we beat Arizona and Western Michigan without any difficulty (the games would be essentially over in the first half, not in doubt in the 4th quarter like they actually were), and also beat South Carolina. I don't think we beat LSU or Alabama, but at least we move the ball on LSU and don't get embarrassed. So we are actually -1 thanks to Arnett, not +1, with an ominous back half of the schedule still looming, and that -1 doesn't fully convey how big of a downgrade Leach to Arnett has been.

4-2 with losses to LSU and Alabama

[Todd4State]

4-2 with losses to LSU and Alabama

This is my guess as well. Maybe 5-1. I can't bring myself to ever say that we would beat LSU or Alabama in any circumstance.

[was21]

Not to be arbitrary, but it doesn't really matter since he's no longer alive. Now is all that matters.

[Bothrops]

This is my guess as well. Maybe 5-1. I can't bring myself to ever say that we would beat LSU or Alabama in any circumstance.

That's correct