Anymore questions about this shitshow?

[Cooterpoot]

This is worse than Croom. We're talking Felker bad here.
Blow it all up and start over.

[Santiago]

This is worse than Croom. We're talking Felker bad here.
Blow it all up and start over.

MSU getting what they deserve with how this all went down. But at least it looks like 1997 ***

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

This is worse than Croom. We're talking Felker bad here.
Blow it all up and start over.

You got it all wrong. We scored 17 points against Bama.

I am sure the real offense will come out very soon.

[Cooterpoot]

Amateur Hour might not even beat USM. It's that damn bad.

[AROB44]

Blow it all up and start over

That's what this coaching staff has done. But, you're right.....do it again.

[Santiago]

Blow it all up and start over

That's what this coaching staff has done. But, you're right.....do it again.

yep...looks like we ran off the wrong ones on the staff.

[DownwardDawg]

I'm with y'all at this point. I wasn't gonna watch this crap today, but I'm a little under the weather so here I am. Gross

[civildawg]

Yep go hire Jeff lebby or mike elko

[Saltydog]

You got it all wrong. We scored 17 points against Bama.

I am sure the real offense will come out very soon.

Rep given......

[msudawg1200]

It's time. Period

[Saltydog]

Yeah it's time to go ahead and start putting a succession plan in place.....

[TUSK]

I'm with y'all at this point. I wasn't gonna watch this crap today, but I'm a little under the weather so here I am. Gross

I got somethin' that'll put a lil "pep in your step", D-Dawg:rolleyes:

[State82]

Shit show?! Shit show is being kind. This is way worse than a shit show.

[DownwardDawg]

I got somethin' that'll put a lil "pep in your step", D-Dawg:rolleyes:

Haha!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TUSK again.

[Cooterpoot]

Brock should be escorted off the sidelines immediately! Remove his access to this program completely!

[CoachT14]

This is worse than Croom. We're talking Felker bad here.
Blow it all up and start over.

Jean34 is going to post all is well soon.

[Santiago]

Really need to go back to TX and get a HC....TX State.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm with y'all at this point. I wasn't gonna watch this crap today, but I'm a little under the weather so here I am. Gross

I watched for the first time since the first half of LSU because I thought we'd blow this team away. I was wrong...

[Coach34]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense

[confucius say]

This is worse than Croom. We're talking Felker bad here.
Blow it all up and start over.

Croom lost to Maine and couldn't score on them. Went 2-10. Teller went like 1-10.

[Matt3467]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense

Now this thread is going to have 100 posts

[confucius say]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense

With a ton of injuries. Offense isn't the primary problem. It will be fine with the right pieces in place.

And, for a school like us it's easier to fix the defense than the offense.

[Coach34]

With a ton of injuries. Offense isn't the primary problem. It will be fine with the right pieces in place.

And, for a school like us it's easier to fix the defense than the offense.

exactly

[Cooterpoot]

With a ton of injuries. Offense isn't the primary problem. It will be fine with the right pieces in place.

And, for a school like us it's easier to fix the defense than the offense.

Nah, it's shit too. This whole damn staff is getting fired. So it's all going to get fixed in the end.

[Turfdawg67]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense

We scored 49, 39, 45, 42, 40, 39 and 56 points in games last year. Did you love that offense too??

[EdwardDrayton]

Shit show?! Shit show is being kind. This is way worse than a shit show.

If we call this a $hitshow, we're going to have to get really creative for our SEC games.

[Cooterpoot]

Everybody has lit up LSU and SC. But by gawd! We scored on Alabamy!

[DownwardDawg]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense

Hahahahaha!!!

Absolutely trolling at this point!!! Hahaha!!!

[BankerDog]

Everybody has lit up LSU and SC. But by gawd! We scored on Alabamy!

We won a shootout a 2-3 G5 team who had to play their 3rd team QB. Whew!!!!!

[parabrave]

We won a shootout a 2-3 G5 team who had to play their 3rd team QB. Whew!!!!!

its called no talent. And this just didn't start this year

[Really Clark?]

MSU getting what they deserve with how this all went down. But at least it looks like 1997 ***

BS

[TrapGame]

its called no talent. And this just didn't start this year

And our recruiting is in the shitter. This coaching staff doesn't have the ability to coach up players or recruit talented players. We are losing the war on all fronts.

[99jc]

We scored 49, 39, 45, 42, 40, 39 and 56 points in games last year. Did you love that offense too??

C34 just being an asshole to get people riled up. He knows this is a shitshow and if he doesn't, he is an idiot!

[Dawgface]

Hahahahaha!!!

Absolutely trolling at this point!!! Hahaha!!!

Yep. Can't wait to read what he has to say after the next couple of SEC games.

[BlackSailsDawg]

BS

It's not bs. What went down from Peterson on was cancerous.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense

Im holding back on you. You are toting water or you arent as well connected as you want some to think. We have some serious issues and I dont mean on the field

[Really Clark?]

It's not bs. What went down from Peterson on was cancerous.

BS. We, includes the fans and supporters, did NOT get what we deserve. That is what he stated.

[BeardoMSU]

Hahahahaha!!!

Absolutely trolling at this point!!! Hahaha!!!

No ****ing shit. Holy hell, lol.

[BlackSailsDawg]

BS. We, includes the fans and supporters, did NOT get what we deserve. That is what he stated.

Ok, that I agree with. Which is why I am no longer giving NIL money. There is a great youth camp that needs it and it's productive. When Selmon steps up, I will inform them I will start back my giving.

[CoachT14]

Im holding back on you. You are toting water or you arent as well connected as you want some to think. We have some serious issues and I dont mean on the field

Spill it.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We allowed them more points than they average. We allowed them to score more than WE allow.

[Really Clark?]

Ok, that I agree with. Which is why I am no longer giving NIL money. There is a great youth camp that needs it and it's productive. When Selmon steps up, I will inform them I will start back my giving.

Since you are not longer supporting my school, I will buyout your fandom. You can go reinvest somewhere else.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Since you are not longer supporting my school, I will buyout your fandom. You can go reinvest somewhere else.

My fandom isn't for sell. i learned a long time ago that a "Fool and his money are soon departed". I'm not giving them money as a reward for this.

[Really Clark?]

My fandom isn't for sell. i learned a long time ago that a "Fool and his money are soon departed". I'm not giving them money as a reward for this.

You are not a fan of MSU. You joined last year Sept to blast us about AR and won't stop. Or you are alter of someone banned. Either way all you care about is an agenda. And this bs about "withholding NIL" to affect change and is a business decision is an example of your none fandom BS. Like I said, I'll buyout your "fandom". I'll give triple what it's worth, I'll transfer 15 cents right now. Because your fandom is not worth a nickel.

Go watch WSU. It appears they look little shit right now vs UCLA btw.

[MrCoachKlein]

I guess I'm missing something. The offense just put up 41 while giving the backup qb 1/3 of the snaps and starting qb getting injured and took a knee on their 5 to end the game. If almost scoring 50 is 'croom' than my memory must be failing.

The defense lacks talent, has injuries and is slow. The offense seems to be getting better each week and is at least on par with the airbone in a transition year with a QB that doesn't fit. It's a helluva a lot easier on the eyes too.

[CoachT14]

We actually have folks defending this shite show. Wow.

[R2Dawg]

MSU getting what they deserve with how this all went down. But at least it looks like 1997 ***

You must be 20 years old. This don't look nothing like 97. We were a bad a$$ team back then.

[Coursesuper]

We actually have folks defending this shite show. Wow.

The power of propaganda is strong over those looking for something to grab onto.

[confucius say]

Nah, it's shit too. This whole damn staff is getting fired. So it's all going to get fixed in the end.

It's very blah but that's more personnel than scheme. We don't have a single guy playing offense who will be drafted.

If we hold them to 10-13 points today like an average sec defense would, it's 41-10.
Our defense is a way bigger problem than our offense.

[confucius say]

Ok, that I agree with. Which is why I am no longer giving NIL money. There is a great youth camp that needs it and it's productive. When Selmon steps up, I will inform them I will start back my giving.

Wait. You're going to inform who?

Also. That's dumb. Stop getting tickets or going to games if that's the route you're going to go. Stopping giving money to the BI is dumb and will only hurt the next staff.

[Cooterpoot]

It's very blah but that's more personnel than scheme. We don't have a single guy playing offense who will be drafted.

Same guys as last year. A&M about to get our 17 on Bama first half. This offense is 20.3 per game against the SEC. Last year was 21.1. This offense runs no tempo or anything and it's all over the damn place. It's not good. The SEC isn't strong either. LSU and SC have terrible defenses.

[confucius say]

Same guys as last year. A&M about to get our 17 on Bama first half. This offense is 20.3 per game against the SEC. Last year was 21.1. This offense runs no tempo or anything and it's all over the damn place. It's not good. The SEC isn't strong either. LSU and SC have terrible defenses.

So you're saying it's the same guys as last year and scoring the same amount of points as last year? That's proving my point that it's more personnel than scheme.

[Santiago]

You must be 20 years old. This don't look nothing like 97. We were a bad a$$ team back then.

"***" are "Sarcasterics", in case you did not know. They are used on our sites quite often.

[Ranchdawg]

I was there today and the defense is really really really bad. I think we need some serious come to Jesus meeting with some coaches. Today not tomorrow not next week not next month not at end of season.

[Really Clark?]

I was there today and the defense is really really really bad. I think we need some serious come to Jesus meeting with some coaches. Today not tomorrow not next week not next month not at end of season.

Oh my defense would be having practice tonight!!

I actually thought they were fine early but when WM adjusted we went into a shell. I know coaching and we are thin but effort has to step up.

[Cooterpoot]

So you're saying it's the same guys as last year and scoring the same amount of points as last year? That's proving my point that it's more personnel than scheme.

It's both. This current scheme hasn't done a damn thing great. We're still a slow paced offense with squirrely ass play calling. We just aren't facing any great defenses this year. We've faced one decent defense and won't face but maybe one more.

[MrCoachKlein]

It's both. This current scheme hasn't done a damn thing great. We're still a slow paced offense with squirrely ass play calling. We just aren't facing any great defenses this year. We've faced one decent defense and won't face but maybe one more.

At least 2. KY and AM

[defiantdog]

I just need a post started by Bert Stare to get me hopeful again.....

[Matt3467]

I guess I'm missing something. The offense just put up 41 while giving the backup qb 1/3 of the snaps and starting qb getting injured and took a knee on their 5 to end the game. If almost scoring 50 is 'croom' than my memory must be failing.

The defense lacks talent, has injuries and is slow. The offense seems to be getting better each week and is at least on par with the airbone in a transition year with a QB that doesn't fit. It's a helluva a lot easier on the eyes too.

Western Michigan coming into the game gave up on average 36 points. Those 41 didn't come easy and we barely outgained them in yards. Some would argue we're a better team with the backup QB.

[Cooterpoot]

At least 2. KY and AM

I'm not sold on KY yet

[MrCoachKlein]

Western Michigan coming into the game gave up on average 36 points. Those 41 didn't come easy and we barely outgained them in yards. Some would argue we're a better team with the backup QB.

Could've easily scored at the end. It was what 1st and goal at the 5?

I've been saying the D is garbage for weeks. We're transitioning out of an offense that the only guy who runs is dead and still doing around the same as last year. O seems to be coming together each week.

I still don't get why people are acting like we lost to Memphis, Maine or had to mount a 24 point comeback to beat LA tech

[DownwardDawg]

I'm not sold on KY yet

Have you watched them? They won't win the East, but they are going to run all over us. Literally.

[EdwardDrayton]

Have you watched them? They won't win the East, but they are going to run all over us. Literally.

It's going to conjure memories of Benny Snell.

[msudawg1200]

Scored 41 points today. Loving this offense
I'll bet you loved it last year when we put up 45 on Bowling Green didn't you? Drop it dude. Even your narcissistic arse knows this is a shitshow of a shitshow.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Im holding back on you. You are toting water or you arent as well connected as you want some to think. We have some serious issues and I dont mean on the field

He's not connected in any way. He just can't admit when he's wrong.

[KB21]

It?s hilarious that some think this offense looks good. We aren?t even running an offense. We are running plays, and our play call sequencing is terrible. We can move the ball only when we have talent advantage, and we still had drives that were stopped today by just absolutely terrible play calling.

[Really Clark?]

It?s hilarious that some think this offense looks good. We aren?t even running an offense. We are running plays, and our play call sequencing is terrible. We can move the ball only when we have talent advantage, and we still had drives that were stopped today by just absolutely terrible play calling.

And yet our offensive scoring, so far, is similar to last season. Does that blow your mind that we are so bad this year but equal to last season?

[BlackSailsDawg]

And yet our offensive scoring, so far, is similar to last season. Does that blow your mind that we are so bad this year but equal to last season?

Dude, give it up. If you watched the Sec today, we are not going to even compete.

Tamu will murder what ever QB is behind that line and score fast

Ole Miss is looking legit on both sides now.

UK is going to shove it down our throats.


Padding some simple stats due to Sela and wmu.... come on

[Really Clark?]

Dude, give it up. If you watched the Sec today, we are not going to even compete.

Tamu will murder what ever QB is behind that line and score fast

Ole Miss is looking legit on both sides now.

UK is going to shove it down our throats.


Padding some simple stats due to Sela and wmu.... come on

You know that we are about the same in points so far in our SEC games from last season. Actually a little better than we did last vs the common opponents we played last season compared to the ones we played this year. Better than all of our games so far than last year in offensive scoring. And you hypocrite, don't lecture about padding points when Will was playing deep in a blow out vs East TN last year. I love Leach but he was horrid about padding stats against weak opponents. Our offense is not there yet by no means and yet you brainwashed cultists can't see that it's on par with last season so far.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You know that we are about the same in points so far in our SEC games from last season. Actually a little better than we did last vs the common opponents we played last season compared to the ones we played this year. Better than all of our games so far than last year in offensive scoring. And you hypocrite, don't lecture about padding points when Will was playing deep in a blow out vs East TN last year. I love Leach but he was horrid about padding stats against weak opponents. Our offense is not there yet by no means and yet you brainwashed cultists can't see that it's on par with last season so far.

WOW! Dude, Arnett is done. We are going to move on because this is a shit show on both sides of the ball.

[Really Clark?]

WOW! Dude, Arnett is done. We are going to move on because this is a shit show on both sides of the ball.

Did I say different? We will see after the season is over but it doesn't look good. You keep complaining about the offense and the defense is by far the biggest problem. But don't change topics from what you quoted me on, the offense. Same production as last year. Not good but y'all sure want to act like last year was great.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Did I say different? We will see after the season is over but it doesn't look good. You keep complaining about the offense and the defense is by far the biggest problem. But don't change topics from what you quoted me on, the offense. Same production as last year. Not good but y'all sure want to act like last year was great.

What ever you say

[confucius say]

If we had last year's defense we'd be right in that 7-5/8-4 area we have been the last two years. This offense is not great by any means, but it's not far off what last year's was.

[Todd4State]

If we had last year's defense we'd be right in that 7-5/8-4 area we have been the last two years. This offense is not great by any means, but it's not far off what last year's was.

That's not a good thing considering the fact that we have played three OOC opponents and two of the worst defenses in the SEC.

[confucius say]

That's not a good thing considering the fact that we have played three OOC opponents and two of the worst defenses in the SEC.

Yea I think we will end up averaging less per game this year than last year. Not a big amount though.

[Homedawg]

This is worse than Croom. We're talking Felker bad here.
Blow it all up and start over.

I get it, that's fine, but had leach been here we would have scored the same, maybe, and given up the same. Our talent level is bad, overall

[basedog]

I get it, that's fine, but had leach been here we would have scored the same, maybe, and given up the same. Our talent level is bad, overall

We have some issues for sure. one thing for sure, not all portal players are good. We "supposedly" helped ourselves with DB, didn't happen and that is a huge issue. Many portals are "iffy", there is a reason many are in portal and it's a reason why they are.

[Cooterpoot]

I get it, that's fine, but had leach been here we would have scored the same, maybe, and given up the same. Our talent level is bad, overall

I'm not a Leach guy. I just want a good coach and the program to stop accepting this crap. This is why people don't attend games. Since Mullen left, so have fans. It's been so boring and/or bad a lot. Arnett was responsibke for recruiting to his defense. He and his guys haven't. We're near the bottom in recruiting now too. Go hire people that are better. Bad football and recruiting is just killing us.

[msstate7]

I get it, that's fine, but had leach been here we would have scored the same, maybe, and given up the same. Our talent level is bad, overall

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

[Cooterpoot]

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Fact! I'd keep Turner, Hughes, & Bump. The rest can hit the road. And if the next coach wants a completely new everything, then so be it if he's a good coach, he should know what he wants.

[BankerDog]

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Friend makes Hev look like a Hall of Fame coach.

Since we have some boosters with their boys on this board, looking at RoseBowl34, we ought to see if Geoff Collins can at least come in to mentor Brock as an ?analyst??hell maybe even Hev too

[BlackSailsDawg]

Friend makes Hev look like a Hall of Fame coach.

Since we have some boosters with their boys on this board, looking at RoseBowl34, we ought to see if Geoff Collins can at least come in to mentor Brock as an ?analyst??hell maybe even Hev too

Yep!

[PMDawg]

He's not connected in any way. He just can't admit when he's wrong.

Neither is Bucky. He's Will's Grandpa or Uncle, but that's about it.

[Todd4State]

Yea I think we will end up averaging less per game this year than last year. Not a big amount though.

Right. Which is still a failure because Barbay was supposed to be clearly better. Which he is not.

[Todd4State]

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Can you clarify? The guys that were fired off of Leach's staff were the ones that brought in four star receivers and QB's- and all of those QB's except for Parson were promptly run off.

Everyone is in agreement that the offense is better than the defense so are you saying that Arnett's staff screwed us over?

[Cooterpoot]

Our offense is basically the same as last year. Our defense is one of the worst ever.

[Turfdawg67]

Can you clarify? The guys that were fired off of Leach's staff were the ones that brought in four star receivers and QB's- and all of those QB's except for Parson were promptly run off.

Everyone is in agreement that the offense is better than the defense so are you saying that Arnett's staff screwed us over?

He's saying we have a huge gap in talent on the defensive side because CML only cared about the 4* WRs and QBs. He was the head coach and his job to make sure we were good in all facets, not just offense. Granted, that's never been CML's M.O., and he was good enough to overcome it most years, but he too would be struggling this year with this defense.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Our offense is basically the same as last year. Our defense is one of the worst ever.

No it ain't Cooter. We are scoring less. Last year, we were scoring right at 30 points per game. Average. Right now with all of cup cakes, 3 OCC behind us, 50% of games played and we are 3 points under last years.

Defense... that's even worse.

[BlackSailsDawg]

He's saying we have a huge gap in talent on the defensive side because CML only cared about the 4* WRs and QBs. He was the head coach and his job to make sure we were good in all facets, not just offense. Granted, that's never been CML's M.O., and he was good enough to overcome it most years, but he too would be struggling this year with this defense.

Was posted on this very board. It's BS that Leach caused us to not recruit DL or other positions. We actually had LESS WRs than the Jomo years did WRs/TEs.....

[Really Clark?]

No it ain't Cooter. We are scoring less. Last year, we were scoring right at 30 points per game. Average. Right now with all of cup cakes, 3 OCC behind us, 50% of games played and we are 3 points under last years.

Defense... that's even worse.

No we are not. Our Offensive scoring was 28.4 ppg last season. We are at 29 offense only this season. Last I checked in my math book, 29 > 28.4. It's basically the same so far

[BlackSailsDawg]

No we are not. Our Offensive scoring was 28.4 ppg last season. We are at 29 offense only this season. Last I checked in my math book, 29 > 28.4. It's basically the same so far

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game?date=2023-10-10

Ranked 44th Miss State This year 26.6 2022 29.6


College FB Team Points per Game
More Team Stats...

NOTE: The stats on this page include data ONLY from games involving two FBS schools.




We are not

[Really Clark?]

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game?date=2023-10-10

Ranked 44th Miss State This year 26.6 2022 29.6




We are not

This year after yesterday:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2023/team/430/index.html

I removed our fumble recovery TD and extra point. That puts us at 29

We had 6 defensive and special teams TD's last season. Remove them and give that total average.

[Coach34]

This year after yesterday:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2023/team/430/index.html

I removed our fumble recovery TD and extra point. That puts us at 29

And we aren?t getting the Defense and ST scores to add to the PPG like last year. That added 3 PPG to the total

[BlackSailsDawg]

This year after yesterday:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2023/team/430/index.html

I removed our fumble recovery TD and extra point. That puts us at 29

We had 6 defensive and special teams TD's last season. Remove them and give that total average.

I love that you want to add in the FCS schools. LOL. My link does not. It's FBS only. Also your link still shows us scoring less this year without the bulk of the SEC games.

[Really Clark?]

I love that you want to add in the FCS schools. LOL. My link does not. It's FBS only. Also your link still shows us scoring less this year without the bulk of the SEC games.

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

[BuckyIsAB****]

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Cant say it now. We all praised the classes when they were signed. They were not perfect not even close. But The last staff is miles miles miles better than the soap opera dick measuring contest we have going now.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

My link already takes out FCS opponents.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

Second, I did not defend the lack of a rushing attack. Have stated we lost to UK because of it. That's not excuse for this staff sucking it up for the sake of what?

[Santiago]

And we aren?t getting the Defense and ST scores to add to the PPG like last year. That added 3 PPG to the total

A week ago you said once we play Western Michigan our TOP will increase and our other stats. We bumped just a little.
We are still 113 in the nation in TOP..... the excuse Arnett said he was changing his offense.

We did increase by about 3 PPG after Saturday, but now you are about to hit the SEC games going forward. So you are comparing this point to all of last season...for perspective.

So Leach won 9 games last year, had double the TOP rankings improvement than this year, and we also scored within reason of the same PPG this season so far.
That TOP the last 2 seasons really helped Arnett with his defense not getting exposed any more than he had to.

Basically we are not anything significantly better on offense this season, and actually worse in controlling the time of possession (helping our weaker defense).
A group in the Bryan building and boosters just like this more, and wanted to nuke the old system.

And out of that campaign to nuke the other system, we promoted the DC to HC, who has really screwed up our defense.
We could have kept the offensive guys, and replaced the defensive coaches, but ....
That is the MSU way ***

[Todd4State]

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

All of that is assuming our offensive performance wouldn't be better in year four of Leach. Which I think is a stretch given the receivers that we added that aren't being utilized.

[KB21]

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Yep. Leave it to the Leach hating, we have to run the ball every down crowd to try and pin the results of this season on Mike.

[Really Clark?]

All of that is assuming our offensive performance wouldn't be better in year four of Leach. Which I think is a stretch given the receivers that we added that aren't being utilized.

Maybe but we were told that year 3 was the year it would take off as well. Year 3 didn't. Our best WR this year wasn't being utilized properly the previous years either. JRob being banged up hurts our outside. Zavion is fast...that's about it. Walley still drops passes with the previous staff and now. I thought Roberson and Moseley would have a bigger impact than they have. It's a hypothetical, we will never know.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Maybe but we were told that year 3 was the year it would take off as well. Year 3 didn't. Our best WR this year wasn't being utilized properly the previous years either. JRob being banged up hurts our outside. Zavion is fast...that's about it. Walley still drops passes with the previous staff and now. I thought Roberson and Moseley would have a bigger impact than they have. It's a hypothetical, we will never know.

We jumped to 9 wins.

[Really Clark?]

We jumped to 9 wins.

The offense, we were told the offense would take off in year 3. It didn't. That was what Todd and I were discussing. Thank you defense last year for being a big part of getting to 9 wins.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yep. Leave it to the Leach hating, we have to run the ball every down crowd to try and pin the results of this season on Mike.

Yeah, it's the most rewrite of history I have seen with MSU football.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The offense, we were told the offense would take off in year 3. It didn't. That was what Todd and I were discussing. Thank you defense last year for being a big part of getting to 9 wins.

We won 9. That's taking off.

[Really Clark?]

We won 9. That's taking off.

Yeah the defense did, the offense not so much. Again, has zero to do with what Todd and I were discussing.