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dawgday166
09-02-2023, 05:16 PM
Theres not a decision. One is the all time passing leader and has more wins than any other QB in school history except one. Including ranked wins. And the other is a RB. But please carry on. Wright is a good piece to have
Tell the all-time passing leader to man up then and stay in pocket long enough to complete a pass longer than 10 yrs then.
60 five yard passes a game equals 300 yds
Dawgface
09-02-2023, 05:16 PM
Will doesn't outsmart the defense in pre snap.
Will doesn't make things happen after the play.
Will doesn't take what the defense gives him because he's often too busy crapping his pants to notice open men.
Will doesn't execute the simple stuff well, see his overthrown of open men deep, misthrow on a slant, misthrown on a swing pass.
Will honestly doesn't even put his body on the line for the team like the other 21 plays on the field do- the man is TERRIFIED of getting his and will tuck early instead of trying to make a play. Literally every other position gets hit more than him but he still can't take it.
Lastly, he's a non-factor athletically.
Put Wright in. Go Relf Coast.
"You dont understand, Wright can't throw a slant, or a swi g pass, or his an ipenTE running free 10 yards downfield!" Yeah well, neither can Will in this game.
RELF. COAST. Fitzgerald 2.0. Wildcat. Whatever you call it. DO IT
I would much rather watch that than more of Will struggling.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 05:16 PM
The best QB is starting. You honestly think they are not starting Wright on purpose? He has ran power read and QB stretch. It doesnt take a QB to do that it takes an athlete
Yep
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:16 PM
Am I supposed to believe Wright couldn't have made that throw to Walley? Keep him in and let's see him actually try and opperate the offense.
He doesn't have to be an NFL QB. Relf and Fitz (before JoMo asked him to throw 35 times a game) won a lot of games.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:17 PM
Whatre y?all gonna say if we score 42? Dawww we didnt score 73!!! Farrrrr Arnett we wanna run plays fast as hell and lose our last 5 games
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:17 PM
The best QB is starting. You honestly think they are not starting Wright on purpose? He has ran power read and QB stretch. It doesnt take a QB to do that it takes an athlete
Yes, I think it is possible Arnett said theres no chance I am benching Leachs guy and SEC passing leader and overruled our OC
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:17 PM
Tell the all-time passing leader to man up then and stay in pocket long enough to complete a pass longer than 10 yrs then.
60 five yard passes a game equals 300 yds
He has done that today. If he throws it downfield and it gets picked you would bitch
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:18 PM
Yes, I think it is possible Arnett said theres no chance I am benching Leachs guy and SEC passing leader and overruled our OC
What do you think the chances are Will is a vastly vastly superior passer
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 05:19 PM
We know CZA lit a fire for the defense the second half
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:19 PM
What do you think the chances are Will is a vastly vastly superior passer
100% will is the superior passer. There is no question. That was never my argument.
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 05:20 PM
He has done that today. If he throws it downfield and it gets picked you would bitch
He ain't even looking downfield but whatever Bucky.
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 05:21 PM
Oh, Nick had an arm...it was just wonky!!!
Accuracy is what I was talking about
starkvegasdawg
09-02-2023, 05:21 PM
I'm about to vow to never be a t mobile customer if I see that damn commercial one more time.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:21 PM
The best QB is starting. You honestly think they are not starting Wright on purpose? He has ran power read and QB stretch. It doesnt take a QB to do that it takes an athlete
I think they are assuming the veteran QB can play. That assumption has been wrong all game, and was wrong vs OM last year too.
Answer me this: What's Wills best play today?
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:22 PM
100% will is the superior passer. There is no question. That was never my argument.
We are not winning 9-10 in this league without being able to pass. Ask Vanderbilt they tried it with Wright
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 05:22 PM
There is little chance this performance will get us six wins. Some say Wright is not the answer.
Prove it to me. Show me. Cuz what we have today is not competitive in this conference.
civildawg
09-02-2023, 05:22 PM
I think they are assuming the veteran QB can play. That assumption has been wrong all game, and was wrong vs OM last year too.
Answer me this: What's Wills best play today?
A 5 yard check down probably
vindastra
09-02-2023, 05:22 PM
I'm about to vow to never be a t mobile customer if I see that damn commercial one more time.
Just mute it. Preserve your sanity.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:23 PM
I think they are assuming the veteran QB can play. That assumption has been wrong all game, and was wrong vs OM last year too.
Answer me this: What's Wills best play today?
Idk but it looks like he is about to win
RockyDog
09-02-2023, 05:23 PM
The best QB is starting. You honestly think they are not starting Wright on purpose? He has ran power read and QB stretch. It doesnt take a QB to do that it takes an athlete
Fear not. Will’s defender is back on the job!!!
magrooder
09-02-2023, 05:23 PM
Special teams has taken a huge leap forward, it seems
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 05:23 PM
Big special teams play!
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:23 PM
He ain't even looking downfield but whatever Bucky.
You dont know what he is looking at. The second play of the game was a shot play and it was covered up so he checked it down for a good play. But whatever you know better than me
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:24 PM
We are not winning 9-10 in this league without being able to pass. Ask Vanderbilt they tried it with Wright
And you think we are winning 9-10 with a 4th year QB with less than average arm, vision, and athleticism?
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:24 PM
Fear not. Will?s defender is back on the job!!!
I dont have to defend him. The win loss record does
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:24 PM
And you think we are winning 9-10 with a 4th year QB with less than average arm, vision, and athleticism?
We just won 9 haha
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 05:25 PM
Defense and special teams both looked alot better after halftime
Joebob
09-02-2023, 05:25 PM
Does Arnett ever smile? Not that this has been a very smiley day.
CaptainObvious
09-02-2023, 05:25 PM
Have no fear. Bucky will give Will credit for that blocked punt TD. Because he will say SELA was afraid to give it back to Will and the offense because of Will?s ability to lead the team down the field 4 yards at a time using up 8 minutes on the clock against Hammond High.
LC Dawg
09-02-2023, 05:26 PM
The lack of replays in the stadium is frustrating as hell. Who blocked the punt?
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 05:26 PM
A 5 yard check down probably
The problem is he doesn't even check down. He takes one quick glance left or right or center (never all three) and then quickly dumps it off on swing pass to back or 5 to 7 yd crossing route, hook, or curl.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 05:26 PM
He ain't even looking downfield but whatever Bucky.
He is looking down field and has thrown balls down field.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:27 PM
We are not winning 9-10 in this league without being able to pass. Ask Vanderbilt they tried it with Wright
Fair enough. But will can't throw- missed a slant, a swing pass to marks in the flat, a 10 yard downfield open reciever (on the first drive), a 30 yard wide open receiver, almost throw a pick, almost had a screen pass picked, and he hasn't made an impressive throw yet.
What is Wills best play today?
Joebob
09-02-2023, 05:27 PM
I'll be damned. I just saw him smile doing an interview
civildawg
09-02-2023, 05:27 PM
Defense and special teams both looked alot better after halftime
Agreed. Offense with Rogers though... woof
magrooder
09-02-2023, 05:27 PM
The lack of replays in the stadium is frustrating as hell. Who blocked the punt?
J. Lewis
tireddawg
09-02-2023, 05:28 PM
Theres not a decision. One is the all time passing leader and has more wins than any other QB in school history except one. Including ranked wins. And the other is a RB. But please carry on. Wright is a good piece to have
There's not a decision to make? Horseshit! You're not biased huh? You would rather State lose and Will play. SMH. Since you know him so well, answer this.
Why is he too chickenshit to step up in the pocket? And don't say he's not. I coached for several years & played JUCO. I know what I'm seeing.
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:28 PM
We just won 9 haha
Yes, I?ve acknowledged Will was the perfect QB for Leachs system.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:28 PM
Have no fear. Bucky will give Will credit for that blocked punt TD. Because he will say SELA was afraid to give it back to Will and the offense because of Will?s ability to lead the team down the field 4 yards at a time using up 8 minutes on the clock against Hammond High.
About the same as you guys not giving him credit for anything
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:29 PM
There's not a decision to make? Horseshit! You're not biased huh? You would rather State lose and Will play. SMH. Since you know him so well, answer this.
Why is he too chickenshit to step up in the pocket? And don't say he's not. I coached for several years & played JUCO. I know what I'm seeing.
None of that is true. Secondly he plays in the SEC and has multiple records. Thats all that needs to be said. He is not perfect but he is a lot better than you guys are saying
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 05:30 PM
You dont know what he is looking at. The second play of the game was a shot play and it was covered up so he checked it down for a good play. But whatever you know better than me
It's pretty obvious with Will. Just like you could tell with Montana. A QB surveying the field looks like Montana or Brady, not a quick glance then a dumpoff.
But I realize that Will with that quick glance can process the information much quicker than those 2 could.
They both needed that 3 secs or so to find an open receiver. Will realizes they all covered at light speed.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:30 PM
Fair enough. But will can't throw- missed a slant, a swing pass to marks in the flat, a 10 yard downfield open reciever (on the first drive), a 30 yard wide open receiver, almost throw a pick, almost had a screen pass picked, and he hasn't made an impressive throw yet.
What is Wills best play today?
I dont care enough to break all that down
Maverick91
09-02-2023, 05:32 PM
OMG GEORGIA HASNT SCORED ON UT MARTIN ALMOST END OF THE FIRST QUARTER WE SHOULD FIRE THEIR STAFF.
You guys can complain but dang, can y’all not recognize what the staff is doing? They are looking at everything on offense and played really vanilla on defense in the first half. They haven’t gained an inch the second half. Chill out!
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:33 PM
About the same as you guys not giving him credit for anything
Will did what was needed of an air raid QB and that +Arnett D won us a lot of games. Will has made some beautiful throws in his time here. That's what's really sad; when he's calm and relaxed, he can be surgical. But we rarely see that side of him because he's always crapping his pants, see a 8 yard slant he thrw behind the reciever, or his multiple overthrows today.
What's wills best play today?
RockyDog
09-02-2023, 05:33 PM
What a handoff by Will on that Woody run. Perfection!
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:34 PM
I dont care enough to break all that down
Lol there's nothing to "break down", they are simply plays that happened.
What's Wills best play today?
msstate7
09-02-2023, 05:35 PM
I feel much better about this team
LC Dawg
09-02-2023, 05:36 PM
J. Lewis
Thanks
magrooder
09-02-2023, 05:37 PM
OK. Dawgs are looking a little more dominant in the 4th quarter.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:37 PM
Lol there's nothing to "break down", they are simply plays that happened.
What's Wills best play today?
I clearly lack the pristine memory and unrivaled knowledge of the game to break down all those plays you mentioned
CadaverDawg
09-02-2023, 05:37 PM
This is mo better
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:38 PM
You guys are so smart you are making a throw away out of the back of the end zone into an overthrow
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:39 PM
I feel much better about this team
Not the offense. I'm sorry, but will has looked panicked and uncomfortable... against SE LA. He's missed throws from all over the field. He's not using his experience to gain us a pre or post snap edge. If you can't hit throws of less than 15 yards consistently against this defense, then you can't vs LSUs D
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 05:39 PM
I feel much better about this team
Lol ... I hope you right. We should win 10. Probably win 8 again ... Although I'm now more concerned with Freeze and also Arky at their places.
RockyDog
09-02-2023, 05:39 PM
You guys are so smart you are making a throw away out of the back of the end zone into an overthrow
Calm down Wyatt. You are gonna have an aneurysm
LC Dawg
09-02-2023, 05:39 PM
2nd half proves we shouldn't panic. Next week against Arizona will show more of who we really are.
Homedawg
09-02-2023, 05:40 PM
The best QB is starting. You honestly think they are not starting Wright on purpose? He has ran power read and QB stretch. It doesnt take a QB to do that it takes an athlete
And it's not close.
msstate7
09-02-2023, 05:40 PM
Lol ... I hope you right. We should win 10. Probably win 8 again ... Although I'm now more concerned with Freeze and also Arky at their places.
Get outta here with that 10-win stuff. I'll be thrilled with 8
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:40 PM
227 passing 228 rushing. Do love to see that.
Homedawg
09-02-2023, 05:41 PM
Will doesn't outsmart the defense in pre snap.
Will doesn't make things happen after the play.
Will doesn't take what the defense gives him because he's often too busy crapping his pants to notice open men.
Will doesn't execute the simple stuff well, see his overthrown of open men deep, misthrow on a slant, misthrown on a swing pass.
Will honestly doesn't even put his body on the line for the team like the other 21 plays on the field do- the man is TERRIFIED of getting his and will tuck early instead of trying to make a play. Literally every other position gets hit more than him but he still can't take it.
Lastly, he's a non-factor athletically.
Put Wright in. Go Relf Coast.
"You dont understand, Wright can't throw a slant, or a swi g pass, or his an ipenTE running free 10 yards downfield!" Yeah well, neither can Will in this game.
RELF. COAST. Fitzgerald 2.0. Wildcat. Whatever you call it. DO IT
Bout as dumb. Nvm
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 05:41 PM
Calm down Wyatt. You are gonna have an aneurysm
Believe me im calm. I didnt fire Arnett or bench our all time leading passer in the first quarter. My names not Wyatt. Its EatIt
magrooder
09-02-2023, 05:43 PM
Looked like second string D on that series and stuffed them
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:43 PM
Arnett got them right on D at halftime. Thats very encouraging to see
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 05:44 PM
Get outta here with that 10-win stuff. I'll be thrilled with 8
Based on schedule, experience, defense I think we should win 10. 8 home games. Away games include a team that replaced coaching staff and one that replaced both coordinators. Be ok with 9 tho.
Dawgology
09-02-2023, 05:45 PM
Defense settled in so that’s good. Still worried about our Offense. Just not clicking well in the pass game.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:45 PM
You guys are so smart you are making a throw away out of the back of the end zone into an overthrow
Not the play I was referring too, but it's nice you ignore ALL the bad throws I listed because you think 1 of them was wrong.
What's Wills best play today?
DEDawg
09-02-2023, 05:49 PM
God this offense is fun when the D has to account for the QB to run
Joebob
09-02-2023, 05:49 PM
Whitt is definitely the real thing.
Homedawg
09-02-2023, 05:50 PM
Not the play I was referring too, but it's nice you ignore ALL the bad throws I listed because you think 1 of them was wrong.
What's Wills best play today?
Will hasn't been bad today. Not perfect by any means. But not bad. Pick on him when you have a good reason.
Quaoarsking
09-02-2023, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I really like Whittemore. Future super star.
StarkVegasSteve
09-02-2023, 05:52 PM
Will has been meh today. Which is fine we are playing an FCS team, however it will not fly any other game this season outside of Southern and maybe Western Michigan.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 05:53 PM
Fair enough. But will can't throw- missed a slant, a swing pass to marks in the flat, a 10 yard downfield open reciever (on the first drive), a 30 yard wide open receiver, almost throw a pick, almost had a screen pass picked, and he hasn't made an impressive throw yet.
What is Wills best play today?
I?m sorry but to say Will can?t throw is quite comical. We just had an Air Raid coach that though the could. You going to argue with Leach?s assessment of QB play. Honestly, the OL didn?t do him any favors the first half. Sometimes we can just say maybe Will came out nervous or is having an off day. Yeah, he missed some throws, but I saw him hit Whittemore for an easy TD too. We took a couple shots but I haven?t seen WRs running open deep either. The reason Will is playing is that he?s the best on the team, unless you think Zac is not going to start the best QB that gives us the best chance to win.
civildawg
09-02-2023, 05:54 PM
Will has been meh today. Which is fine we are playing an FCS team, however it will not fly any other game this season outside of Southern and maybe Western Michigan.
Correct. I've never seen a QB so scared to throw the ball downfield. I don't care if it gets picked off at this point but at least give the defense something to defend against
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 05:55 PM
Will hasn't been bad today. Not perfect by any means. But not bad. Pick on him when you have a good reason.
What's Wills best play today?
You can't say "he hasn't been bad" when you can't list 1 decent throw, 1 decent scramble, or 1 decent use of his brain to manipulate a defense... against SE LA. Wright barely played yet he managed to put up several plays more impressive than any of Wills
bulldawg28
09-02-2023, 05:55 PM
And it's not close.
The game today says something different. #14 was the spark that turned the entire game around. Will does not fit this offense like Mike. From watching the game there are play actions built into different plays. SEC teams will learn quickly Will isn't an option with any play action beyond 3 yards to a 1st down or TD. They won't go for it and Will will turn into a deer in the highlights and probably get sacked or throw an int.
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 05:56 PM
Please stop with the 10 win season. Cuz I know you're still sitting on your wallet when that bet came around.
KOdawg1
09-02-2023, 05:58 PM
I?m sorry but to say Will can?t throw is quite comical. We just had an Air Raid coach that though the could. You going to argue with Leach?s assessment of QB play. Honestly, the OL didn?t do him any favors the first half. Sometimes we can just say maybe Will came out nervous or is having an off day. Yeah, he missed some throws, but I saw him hit Whittemore for an easy TD too. We took a couple shots but I haven?t seen WRs running open deep either. The reason Will is playing is that he?s the best on the team, unless you think Zac is not going to start the best QB that gives us the best chance to win.
He can throw. He can't throw the ball down the field. And he can't extend the pocket.
Average QB that gives us a ceiling.
MrCoachKlein
09-02-2023, 05:58 PM
You coaching gurus out there ....... what do we get splitting Rogers wide??!!?? It makes my head hurt.
Not a coaching guru by any means, but the theory is:
If your qb can't run put in a guy that can and sort of throw then they have to cover the unathletic qb out wide. If they don't then you do a backwards pass to the uncovered qb and deep shot down field.
Cheap way to pull a defender out of the way. I consider it a successful block. The defender can't make a play on the ball.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:00 PM
The game today says something different. #14 was the spark that turned the entire game around. Will does not fit this offense like Mike. From watching the game there are play actions built into different plays. SEC teams will learn quickly Will isn't an option with any play action beyond 3 yards to a 1st down or TD. They won't go for it and Will will turn into a deer in the highlights and probably get sacked or throw an int.
Have y’all even see Wright throw a pass today?? He came in for a change of pace. It worked great. I’m happy it did. People want Wright to start and he hasn’t completed a pass. I’m baffled.
tireddawg
09-02-2023, 06:01 PM
None of that is true. Secondly he plays in the SEC and has multiple records. Thats all that needs to be said. He is not perfect but he is a lot better than you guys are saying
It's all true. I've got nearly 30 years experience playing & coaching. I know when a qb is too scared to step up. He did it in HS also. That's all I'd wish he'd do. I don't question his ability to throw a football, I question his toughness.
I do appreciate his contributions but he is scared to get hit. You won't ever admit it though, but I digress.
civildawg
09-02-2023, 06:01 PM
I wish they would have let him throw some just to see what it looks like
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 06:02 PM
Not a coaching guru by any means, but the theory is:
If your qb can't run put in a guy that can and sort of throw then they have to cover the unathletic qb out wide. If they don't then you do a backwards pass to the uncovered qb and deep shot down field.
Cheap way to pull a defender out of the way. I consider it a successful block. The defender can't make a play on the ball.
Assuming the guy who can't run is a deep shot arm threat.
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 06:02 PM
Please stop with the 10 win season. Cuz I know you're still sitting on your wallet when that bet came around.
Well ... Everyone thought we should have 10 wins last year before season and that was with Gawga on our schedule and the rest of the schedule not setup as well either. 1 year less experience on team too. And this year Will has another year under his belt and play action added to playbook more too.
MrCoachKlein
09-02-2023, 06:03 PM
I don?t get it either. It?s making us play 11 on 10. Just run the wright package with one more playmaker
Its the opposite. They have to match personnel like will is qb. Once they are out there he splits, so they have to either run a lb out there and adjust their entire defense or sacrifice a cb to cover him. If they use a safety, their run d will not be as good. Its a way to get an unloaded box with a running qb.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:04 PM
He can throw. He can't throw the ball down the field. And he can't extend the pocket.
Average QB that gives us a ceiling.
Will doesn’t have the laser 15yd out across the field. He can easily throw a deep ball if he wants to. You only get so many deep shots a game. Yes, he’s not a scrambler. Everybody knows that. He’s not elite. We all know that too. He’s the best QB on the roster. We should all know that too.
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 06:04 PM
It's all true. I've got nearly 30 years experience playing & coaching. I know when a qb is too scared to step up. He did it in HS also. That's all I'd wish he'd do. I don't question his ability to throw a football, I question his toughness.
I do appreciate his contributions but he is scared to get hit. You won't ever admit it though, but I digress.
Bucky confuses "smart" with "objective".
ETA: Hell, I wish I was wrong and hope it changes. Otherwise it's gonna keep us from winning some games we should.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 06:07 PM
Have y?all even see Wright throw a pass today?? He came in for a change of pace. It worked great. I?m happy it did. People want Wright to start and he hasn?t completed a pass. I?m baffled.
Nobody said Wright should "start" in this entire thread.
We said "will ain't it, let Wright play a couple series to see of he can do it". They didn't let him pass, they didn't let him run a full series. That's what we wanted
Dawgface
09-02-2023, 06:08 PM
Arnett got them right on D at halftime. Thats very encouraging to see
Yep that is a positive. Whittemore looked real good and the running game improved in the 2nd half. I hope they get Wright in some other ways. He needs his hands on the ball.
StarkVegasSteve
09-02-2023, 06:13 PM
Yep that is a positive. Whittemore looked real good and the running game improved in the 2nd half. I hope they get Wright in some other ways. He needs his hands on the ball.
Or we could run the 17 Mullen offense with Wright and just maul people to death.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:13 PM
Nobody said Wright should "start" in this entire thread.
We said "will ain't it, let Wright play a couple series to see of he can do it". They didn't let him pass, they didn't let him run a full series. That's what we wanted
BS. It’s been another Will sucks thread… get him out of there!!! And if “Will ain’t it!”, that means the next man up is. Yes, Will, could have had a better day, but he’s the best we got. But if you really wanted to just see a series with Wright, then I can agree with that. But eventually a throw will have to be made if you leave him in.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 06:14 PM
Will doesn?t have the laser 15yd out across the field. He can easily throw a deep ball if he wants to. You only get so many deep shots a game. Yes, he?s not a scrambler. Everybody knows that. He?s not elite. We all know that too. He?s the best QB on the roster. We should all know that too.
Look, I can agree that Will is MOST LIKELY the best QB on the roster. However, coaches do make mistakes and play the wrong guy. Expecially if that "wrong guy" is an established starter and record holder. We see it all the time- remember Hollaway up the middle?
Sadly, all we saw from Wright is 5 rushes for 95 yards. We didn't get to see a throw. I'm sire the coaches have seen a thousand throws from him, but I haven't and would have liked too. We still don't know what we have in him except that he's an insane athlete.
Reminds me of Daniel's at LSU
bulldawg28
09-02-2023, 06:15 PM
Have y’all even see Wright throw a pass today?? He came in for a change of pace. It worked great. I’m happy it did. People want Wright to start and he hasn’t completed a pass. I’m baffled.
I see you've never played football before. Wright is in the perfect situation right now. If they can't stop the run keep it going. Those same option plays he ran today in a few weeks he's going to have passes off those same looks. We probably won't see it until LSU and beyond.
Bothrops
09-02-2023, 06:19 PM
I'm proud of how Arnett handled the anemic start and getting real about the defense. I think Rogers is lost in this offense.
starkvegasdawg
09-02-2023, 06:22 PM
I'm proud of how Arnett handled the anemic start and getting real about the defense. I think Rogers is lost in this offense.
I have a feeling he needed some tissue and wet wipes because I bet he got in some asses at halftime.
TrapGame
09-02-2023, 06:22 PM
I see you've never played football before. Wright is in the perfect situation right now. If they can't stop the run keep it going. Those same option plays he ran today in a few weeks he's going to have passes off those same looks. We probably won't see it until LSU and beyond.
This.
We didn't need Wright to pass today. He won't pass against Arizona. If LSU brings guys up to stop Wright he will throw it.
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 06:33 PM
Have y’all even see Wright throw a pass today?? He came in for a change of pace. It worked great. I’m happy it did. People want Wright to start and he hasn’t completed a pass. I’m baffled.
https://youtu.be/DnRpRDK9WCI?si=kb2UpOECVRG_t5W_
He isn't a pocket passing QB but he is so athletic it's hard to keep him on the bench. This video shows he is a capable thrower, he is obviously a better athlete than thrower but his athleticism alone can win us some games. If Will struggles some going forward it's going to be hard to not play Wright
vindastra
09-02-2023, 06:37 PM
https://youtu.be/DnRpRDK9WCI?si=kb2UpOECVRG_t5W_
He isn't a pocket passing QB but he is so athletic it's hard to keep him on the bench. This video shows he is a capable thrower, he is obviously a better athlete than thrower but his athleticism alone can win us some games. If Will struggles some going forward it's going to be hard to not play Wright
If he can make the same throws in an SEC game, there is no reason he should stay 2nd string.
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 06:39 PM
Or we could run the 17 Mullen offense with Wright and just maul people to death.
I honestly like this idea
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:41 PM
I see you've never played football before. Wright is in the perfect situation right now. If they can't stop the run keep it going. Those same option plays he ran today in a few weeks he's going to have passes off those same looks. We probably won't see it until LSU and beyond.
Ha. No football. Ok bud. Yeah we can setup plays for the future but calling for Will’s head just makes y’all sound stupid. Sure give Wright some more plays today. I’m all for keep running what is working. Im not saying he can’t throw it a lick either. But since you are so smarter than our coaches, how bout to get a coaching job and prove it. Think I’ll stick with our coaches who watch them every freaking day. By the way, change of pace is not change of pace if you stay out there and run it every play.
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 06:42 PM
39 rushes today (297 yards) and 29 passes (227 yards). Eight yard average per rush and the same per pass play. Given we were a rushing team today, I'll take the bet we would average better OVERALL yards per play with Mike Wright at QB.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 06:42 PM
What's Wills best play today?
You can't say "he hasn't been bad" when you can't list 1 decent throw, 1 decent scramble, or 1 decent use of his brain to manipulate a defense... against SE LA. Wright barely played yet he managed to put up several plays more impressive than any of Wills
Every last one that earned the win
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 06:42 PM
If he can make the same throws in an SEC game, there is no reason he should stay 2nd string.
Agreed. And I'm personally not calling for Will to sit the bench just yet, but the facts are he didn't really do much today with this new offense and looked uncomfortable. When Wright was in the game nearly every play was a positive gain if not every single play. It's hard to stop a guy like him and we have some good backs to go along with him to run a crazy option
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:43 PM
Look, I can agree that Will is MOST LIKELY the best QB on the roster. However, coaches do make mistakes and play the wrong guy. Expecially if that "wrong guy" is an established starter and record holder. We see it all the time- remember Hollaway up the middle?
Sadly, all we saw from Wright is 5 rushes for 95 yards. We didn't get to see a throw. I'm sire the coaches have seen a thousand throws from him, but I haven't and would have liked too. We still don't know what we have in him except that he's an insane athlete.
Reminds me of Daniel's at LSU
I can agree with all of that. Put the ball more in a playmakers hands. Please don’t bring up Hollaway up the middle… I got a little throw up in my mouth
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:47 PM
This.
We didn't need Wright to pass today. He won't pass against Arizona. If LSU brings guys up to stop Wright he will throw it.
And you put total faith in this plan and is willing to bench Will, even though you didn?t see him throw today. You just have confidence he can? Look, if we can win that way, I?m all for it. I just trust the coaches at this point until Wright shows he can make some throws.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:49 PM
https://youtu.be/DnRpRDK9WCI?si=kb2UpOECVRG_t5W_
He isn't a pocket passing QB but he is so athletic it's hard to keep him on the bench. This video shows he is a capable thrower, he is obviously a better athlete than thrower but his athleticism alone can win us some games. If Will struggles some going forward it's going to be hard to not play Wright
I’m for playing who gives us the best chance to win.. no doubt about. But once again, the backup is the most popular guy at MSU.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:52 PM
39 rushes today (297 yards) and 29 passes (227 yards). Eight yard average per rush and the same per pass play. Given we were a rushing team today, I'll take the bet we would average better OVERALL yards per play with Mike Wright at QB.
We should have been able to do what we wanted today, but we will have to throw the ball with some success if we want to beat the good teams.
Cooterpoot
09-02-2023, 06:54 PM
Wright did nothing more than show what we knew. He can run. Not one damn pass. We can talk later in the season but right now the QB controversy isn't even close to real. Now that pathetic excuse for an offensive line? That's scary bad.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 06:59 PM
Wright did nothing more than show what we knew. He can run. Not one damn pass. We can talk later in the season but right now the QB controversy isn't even close to real. Now that pathetic excuse for an offensive line? That's scary bad.
I’m with you Cooter. I thought the worst thing we had going was the OL in the first half.
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 07:01 PM
Get ready. We are going to be in total meltdown after the LSU game.
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 07:03 PM
Could be. We got a lot to clean up and work on. Week 1 to 2 will hopefully be a big improvement
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 07:04 PM
Wright did nothing more than show what we knew. He can run. Not one damn pass. We can talk later in the season but right now the QB controversy isn't even close to real. Now that pathetic excuse for an offensive line? That's scary bad.
And showing what we knew (that he can run) can win alot of football games. A dual threat QB as fast as Wright is can give teams hell if we run an option. We have better athletes to go along with him than he had at Vandy also. He can pass some too, he showed that a little at Vandy
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 07:06 PM
Could be. We got a lot to clean up and work on. Week 1 to 2 will hopefully be a big improvement
It's imperative the Arizona game becomes a pivot point for us in terms of performance.
bulldawg28
09-02-2023, 07:08 PM
Ha. No football. Ok bud. Yeah we can setup plays for the future but calling for Will?s head just makes y?all sound stupid. Sure give Wright some more plays today. I?m all for keep running what is working. Im not saying he can?t throw it a lick either. But since you are so smarter than our coaches, how bout to get a coaching job and prove it. Think I?ll stick with our coaches who watch them every freaking day. By the way, change of pace is not change of pace if you stay out there and run it every play.
Since I actually do know so much how about your watch and see if it doesn't happen. Where do your see I said change of pace? I said if they can't stop it you keep it the same.
You can't read nor do you know football.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 07:10 PM
And showing what we knew (that he can run) can win alot of football games. A dual threat QB as fast as Wright is can give teams hell if we run an option. We have better athletes to go along with him than he had at Vandy also. He can pass some too, he showed that a little at Vandy
There is nothing in the record books that remotely say Wright can throw it effectively. Nothing.
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 07:19 PM
There is nothing in the record books that remotely say Wright can throw it effectively. Nothing.
We all know passing isn't his strong suit, he threw for 57% at Vandy last year. Nick Fitz threw for 51% his Sr year and 55% his Junior year but we still won alot of games. Will is easily a better passer but after seeing what small sample size we saw today are you comfortable with Will in this offense? Wright looked better in this offense and the tape shows it
Bdawg
09-02-2023, 07:21 PM
Since I actually do know so much how about your watch and see if it doesn't happen. Where do your see I said change of pace? I said if they can't stop it you keep it the same.
You can't read nor do you know football.
Apparently you can’t read where I specifically said, and I quote, “I’m all for keep running what is working.” But he probably doesn’t continue to have THAT much success if you leave him and he continues to run the same thing. He did a great job coming in and changing up the look. But he better be able to pass to beat the better teams on our schedule. And once again, I will defer to our coaches on who the best QB is to lead our team. If Wright takes over at some point, I will say he is the better QB for the job and the coaches know it. But I’m going to step out on a limb and say it’s not really close at this point in time.
TrapGame
09-02-2023, 07:24 PM
And you put total faith in this plan and is willing to bench Will, even though you didn?t see him throw today. You just have confidence he can? Look, if we can win that way, I?m all for it. I just trust the coaches at this point until Wright shows he can make some throws.
He didn't need to throw. It's that ****ing simple. That's something we don't need on tape in game one vs SELA. He's been completing plenty of passes in practice. Barbay likes to script drives. I would not be surprised if he has a series of plays for Wright at some point.
trob115
09-02-2023, 07:25 PM
To me it's really simple :
1. Our oline was trash the first half. Will struggles mightily without a clean pocket.
Wright can compensate for that with his elite athleticism. If we're going to have the oline play from the 1st half of todays game for most of the season, you have to play Wright as the primary Qb.
If we clean up the oline play, Will should be more than capable to carry the balance offensive scheme.
2.) our defensive alignment was trash in the first half and our tackling was subpar. Both things were crisp in the second half.
To play as poorly as we did, you can the see offense has plenty of talent and helium. Lots to work on this week, but I expect things to be much improved next week.
Let's get to 2-0!
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 07:28 PM
We all know passing isn't his strong suit, he threw for 57% at Vandy last year. Nick Fitz threw for 51% his Sr year and 55% his Junior year but we still won alot of games. Will is easily a better passer but after seeing what small sample size we saw today are you comfortable with Will in this offense? Wright looked better in this offense and the tape shows it
And it translated into what at vandy? Yes, I am comfortable with Rogers in this offense.
civildawg
09-02-2023, 07:30 PM
Watching these other games with qb's making plays with their feet or extending plays with their feet is depressing. I haven't seen our QB do that in 4 years
MrCoachKlein
09-02-2023, 07:30 PM
To me it's really simple :
1. Our oline was trash the first half. Will struggles mightily without a clean pocket.
Wright can compensate for that with his elite athleticism. If we're going to have the oline play from the 1st half of todays game for most of the season, you have to play Wright as the primary Qb.
If we clean up the oline play, Will should be more than capable to carry the balance offensive scheme.
2.) our defensive alignment was trash in the first half and our tackling was subpar. Both things were crisp in the second half.
To play as poorly as we did, you can the see offense has plenty of talent and helium. Lots to work on this week, but I expect things to be much improved next week.
Let's get to 2-0!
This
redstickdawg
09-02-2023, 07:40 PM
Watching these other games with qb's making plays with their feet or extending plays with their feet is depressing. I haven't seen our QB do that in 4 years
I agree Will is not athletic enough for this offense, far too timid to run or take a hit, he's a thrower not a QB. What other SEC wold he start for? He was made for the Air Raid, but that's history.
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 07:46 PM
And it translated into what at vandy? Yes, I am comfortable with Rogers in this offense.
It didn't translate much at Vandy because like I already said, Vandy doesn't have the athletes, they never have, he cant win alone. Just an honest question, what did Roger's do today to make you comfortable with his play in this offense. I'm honestly not being facetious, just curious
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 07:52 PM
A lot of debating going on...look Will didn't have a sharp game at all. Wright is a hellva athlete. Wright is passing much better this fall in practices than he did in the spring. Mike still is not close to beating Will throwing the ball. That's the story
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 07:54 PM
It didn't translate much at Vandy because like I already said, Vandy doesn't have the athletes, they never have, he cant win alone. Just an honest question, what did Roger's do today to make you comfortable with his play in this offense. I'm honestly not being facetious, just curious
There are going to be a lot more folks see the light after these next couple of games.
tireddawg
09-02-2023, 08:01 PM
He stayed in the pocket, even stepped up on a couple, didn't run sideways, & he has the speed to do it. So much speed guys couldn't catch him with an angle.
I just want Will to scan the field, step up, & let 'er rip. It's so obvious he's scared of contact. He's got a good enough arm, he's accurate, and has good WRs. I don't know him as a man, he seems like a fine fellow, but he hasn't matured as a qb. I don't care how many yards of sideways passes he has.
redstickdawg
09-02-2023, 08:01 PM
A lot of debating going on...look Will didn't have a sharp game at all. Wright is a hellva athlete. Wright is passing much better this fall in practices than he did in the spring. Mike still is not close to beating Will throwing the ball. That's the story
Wright doesn't have to be Favre, he needs to create offense and not be afraid to run the ball. Right now we have someone that is not comfortable doing anything other than 7 yd dump passes - never has been and won't ever be.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 08:02 PM
It didn't translate much at Vandy because like I already said, Vandy doesn't have the athletes, they never have, he cant win alone. Just an honest question, what did Roger's do today to make you comfortable with his play in this offense. I'm honestly not being facetious, just curious
Foremost, his obsession with not folding like a cheap suit.
Next would be the pass to Creedmore.
The 69% completions..
Etc etc
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 08:09 PM
Wright doesn't have to be Favre, he needs to create offense and not be afraid to run the ball. Right now we have someone that is not comfortable doing anything other than 7 yd dump passes - never has been and won't ever be.
And I'm telling you constantly what I saw in the fall practices and scrimmage, Will is better. The first scrimmage Mike got hot and looked really good but it's not nearly consistent enough to run this offense weekly.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 08:10 PM
The dude could not be the consistent starter at Vandy but we want him to replace one of the best we have ever had. And yes by all standards that matter (wins) 2 is one of the best we have ever had
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 08:11 PM
Foremost, his obsession with not folding like a cheap suit.
Next would be the pass to Creedmore.
The 69% completions..
Etc etc
Come on man you are reaching. I would hope a starting SEC QB could make that throw to Creedmore. I do like the 69% completion rate but there is definitely not an "etc etc" because Rogers simply didn't look too good today and any average football fan would agree. I'm not saying he needs to be benched but from what I saw today, he and Wright need to split 50/50 on reps.
I've never been a fan a dual QB's but you can't keep Wright on the bench, he is way too explosive, he has to be involved in this offense
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 08:12 PM
I agree Will is not athletic enough for this offense, far too timid to run or take a hit, he's a thrower not a QB. What other SEC wold he start for? He was made for the Air Raid, but that's history.
Auburn and Miami offered him a lot of money to be their starter
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 08:13 PM
There are going to be a lot more folks see the light after these next couple of games.
It wouldn't surprise me, hopefully it's with winning performances though.
tireddawg
09-02-2023, 08:13 PM
Foremost, his obsession with not folding like a cheap suit.
Next would be the pass to Creedmore.
The 69% completions..
Etc etc
There are a lot of QBs in the country that would have that % or better throwing within 5 yds of the LOS mostly. I'd rather he have a 62% with more balls down the field. Even just more intermediate throws. Can't soften up the D with swing passes & short throws.
BuckyIsAB****
09-02-2023, 08:14 PM
There are a lot of QBs in the country that would have that % or better throwing within 5 yds of the LOS mostly. I'd rather he have a 62% with more balls down the field. Even just more intermediate throws. Can't soften up the D with swing passes & short throws.
Do you like OMs offense
bobtail bob
09-02-2023, 08:15 PM
Just the threat of Wright taking off would make holes downfield that he wouldn’t need to throw a pinpointed bullet. Will freezes if his primary isn’t open and that pause is making him ineffective. The defense and running game covered for him today but the day is coming it won’t
tireddawg
09-02-2023, 08:24 PM
Do you like OMs offense
It's not my favorite, but OM takes shots down the field. We had WRs open down field, Will just wouldn't pull the trigger.
How many times did he step up in the pocket? If you can't see that as an issue, there's no point discussing it with you. You're too close to him to be objective.
Think about this. If he stepped up instead of running sideways, he probably would've had over 400 yds, & 4/5 TD's. Yeah his % goes down, but who gives af? Maybe he does, IDK.
vindastra
09-02-2023, 08:24 PM
And I'm telling you constantly what I saw in the fall practices and scrimmage, Will is better. The first scrimmage Mike got hot and looked really good but it's not nearly consistent enough to run this offense weekly.
What is it that we want from this offense? Win games or personal records?
It looks like we have a QB that can throw 5 yard passes while standing like a statue or a QB that can throw 5 yard passes and run like a hare. If that is all, I know who I am going to go with.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 08:25 PM
A lot of debating going on...look Will didn't have a sharp game at all. Wright is a hellva athlete. Wright is passing much better this fall in practices than he did in the spring. Mike still is not close to beating Will throwing the ball. That's the story
Right not as sharp but still completed 69%
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 08:31 PM
Come on man you are reaching. I would hope a starting SEC QB could make that throw to Creedmore. I do like the 69% completion rate but there is definitely not an "etc etc" because Rogers simply didn't look too good today and any average football fan would agree. I'm not saying he needs to be benched but from what I saw today, he and Wright need to split 50/50 on reps.
I've never been a fan a dual QB's but you can't keep Wright on the bench, he is way too explosive, he has to be involved in this offense
Didn't reach for anything. Not 1 falsehood in what I stated. Yes there are etc etcs...etc.... no ints. There's one. Won the game.... there's another.
As the season goes Rogers will have the offense humming.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 08:33 PM
There are a lot of QBs in the country that would have that % or better throwing within 5 yds of the LOS mostly. I'd rather he have a 62% with more balls down the field. Even just more intermediate throws. Can't soften up the D with swing passes & short throws.
He took shots down the field and one was a td. I think the run game spoke for itself as far as softened.
BlackSailsDawg
09-02-2023, 08:36 PM
It's not my favorite, but OM takes shots down the field. We had WRs open down field, Will just wouldn't pull the trigger.
How many times did he step up in the pocket? If you can't see that as an issue, there's no point discussing it with you. You're too close to him to be objective.
Think about this. If he stepped up instead of running sideways, he probably would've had over 400 yds, & 4/5 TD's. Yeah his % goes down, but who gives af? Maybe he does, IDK.
Running sideways was by play design... lol
MrCoachKlein
09-02-2023, 08:36 PM
The dude could not be the consistent starter at Vandy but we want him to replace one of the best we have ever had. And yes by all standards that matter (wins) 2 is one of the best we have ever had
Wright shouldn't replace Will. At the same time, something was off with Will today. Even on normal pistol/shotgun drops he was hitting the wrong side of the wr or missing on short-medium passes. That's his game. I'm not learned enough to know of its the drop back, steps, timing, etc....something was off though.
Our ceiling is higher with will. Everyone bitching will get their wish soon enough. Parsons and the 4* can both run.
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 08:38 PM
What is it that we want from this offense? Win games or personal records?
It looks like we have a QB that can throw 5 yard passes while standing like a statue or a QB that can throw 5 yard passes and run like a hare. If that is all, I know who I am going to go with.
All I'm saying, is as it stands today, Will is the better option to run the entire offense and win the most games. It's been this way all fall. Records have zero to do with my evaluation. Mike has improved and I think he will continue to do so. If Will goes into a slump, we can discuss it then. But right now Will is the best option.
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 08:39 PM
Didn't reach for anything. Not 1 falsehood in what I stated. Yes there are etc etcs...etc.... no ints. There's one. Won the game.... there's another.
As the season goes Rogers will have the offense humming.
No int's?We played SE Louisiana.. did you see some of those balls Rogers threw? At least 2 maybe 3 would have been picked if that were LSU or any other decent team. Won the game? Not because of Rogers.. the 2nd half defense and our run game won the game, Rogers won't get the game ball tonight for the win. I hate to sound like I'm bashing him because I actually like him but facts are facts
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 08:41 PM
All I'm saying, is as it stands today, Will is the better option to run the entire offense and win the most games. It's been this way all fall. Records have zero to do with my evaluation. Mike has improved and I think he will continue to do so. If Will goes into a slump, we can discuss it then. But right now Will is the best option.
Is this just based off practices?
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 08:43 PM
Is this just based off practices?
And scrimmages. What else could it be based off of? This was our first game?????
lastmajordog
09-02-2023, 09:00 PM
Guys, I only watched part of the game, listened to the rest. Offense looked ok but the defense especially LB and secondary looked EXTREMELY SEC slow!!!! Am I wrong??
MrCoachKlein
09-02-2023, 09:11 PM
Guys, I only watched part of the game, listened to the rest. Offense looked ok but the defense especially LB and secondary looked EXTREMELY SEC slow!!!! Am I wrong??
Bookie and JJ have always been slow. They're 1980s style backers. They get it done by understanding what the other team is trying to do. They'll be OK.
Secondary - we don't have a Forbes and we might not ever again. I know decarlos isn't slow, go ask comercecommet. He's coached him since the kid was walking pretty much. Decam and banks definitely aren't slow. Idk about the rest.
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 09:12 PM
What is it that we want from this offense? Win games or personal records?
It looks like we have a QB that can throw 5 yard passes while standing like a statue or a QB that can throw 5 yard passes and run like a hare. If that is all, I know who I am going to go with.
What we want it Will and Wright to be fused into one QB.
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 09:16 PM
To me it's really simple :
1. Our oline was trash the first half. Will struggles mightily without a clean pocket.
Wright can compensate for that with his elite athleticism. If we're going to have the oline play from the 1st half of todays game for most of the season, you have to play Wright as the primary Qb.
If we clean up the oline play, Will should be more than capable to carry the balance offensive scheme.
2.) our defensive alignment was trash in the first half and our tackling was subpar. Both things were crisp in the second half.
To play as poorly as we did, you can the see offense has plenty of talent and helium. Lots to work on this week, but I expect things to be much improved next week.
Let's get to 2-0!
The play calling wasn't great either. We kept running on first down and kept getting behind the sticks in the first half especially.
And then we called at least two sprint out plays to Will's left. That doesn't help any RH QB.
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 09:16 PM
What we want it Will and Wright to be fused into one QB.
^^^^^
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 09:16 PM
And scrimmages. What else could it be based off of? This was our first game?????
Your making my point! Practices and scrimmages show you that Rogers is the best option. Game film that we all saw today does not!
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 09:17 PM
^^^^^
I'm with you!
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 09:19 PM
Your making my point! Practices and scrimmages show you that Rogers is the best option. Game film that we all saw today does not!
We haven't even seen Wright throw a pass yet in this offense. He busted some runs against a tired FCS defense.
I'm not hanging my hat on that at this point.
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 09:27 PM
Did Will look like the Heisman contender today some said he would be? Did he even look like an improved QB?
We know the answer to both.
Really Clark?
09-02-2023, 09:28 PM
Your making my point! Practices and scrimmages show you that Rogers is the best option. Game film that we all saw today does not!
Get out of here with that, you think we didn't throw the ball with Wright because we are hiding a secret weapon or something? He attempted 0 passes on purpose and by play calling. There is a reason for that. He is running the packages he can run. If he gets hot he can hit passes better now than in the spring, he has some arm talent, but don't confuse his electric run ability with his packages with being the best to run the entire offense. We have the spring, spring game, fall practices and scrimmages to evaluate from. Hell I've actually seen him throw this fall, you haven't because he sure didn't today. Will is the best option right now.
MrCoachKlein
09-02-2023, 09:32 PM
What we want it Will and Wright to be fused into one QB.
He'd be a 5* at bama or uga
EdwardDrayton
09-02-2023, 09:38 PM
He'd be a 5* at bama or uga
LOL! That's the truth!!
HancockCountyDog
09-02-2023, 09:43 PM
The OL and DL were really awful.
I don?t think the offense is tailored to Will?s strengths.
I did not expect to struggle at any point in the game and we really did until late 3rd quarter.
I didn?t expect our starters to be out there in the 4th quarter.
I?m concerned, but ready to give it a pass assuming we come out next week and dominate.
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 09:51 PM
Get out of here with that, you think we didn't throw the ball with Wright because we are hiding a secret weapon or something? He attempted 0 passes on purpose and by play calling. There is a reason for that. He is running the packages he can run. If he gets hot he can hit passes better now than in the spring, he has some arm talent, but don't confuse his electric run ability with his packages with being the best to run the entire offense. We have the spring, spring game, fall practices and scrimmages to evaluate from. Hell I've actually seen him throw this fall, you haven't because he sure didn't today. Will is the best option right now.
I was worried that there was a good reason he didn't throw.
I mean how many times have we played a FCS team and the back up QB attempting zero passes and it wasn't like a fourth string walk on senior taking a knee at the end of the game?
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 09:52 PM
He'd be a 5* at bama or uga
LOL. Yep.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 10:25 PM
Often players in practice aren't the same as in a game. Also, sometimes coaches just make the wrong decision (holloway up the middle?)
We aren't saying Wright is better than Will. We're saying we watched will be mediocre at best for 50 snaps and Wright comes in and rush for 95 yards on 5 carries. Yes, Wright should get the chance to show what he can do IN A GAME, as a game isn't the practice he's been judged on so far.
And Wright threw for 57% 6.6 yards per attempt last year. Will Rogers was 68% 6.5 Y/A. Even the pro Will camp on here has admitted Wright has gotten better at passing since he got to campus too. I find it difficult ot believe he could throw for 57% at Vandy with more air yards per pass than Will AND have gotten better... but still not be able to hit slants or swing passes here.
Like what pass did Will make today that was hard? Only pass over 20 yards was a broken coverage where nobody was within 10 yards of Creed. Wright or Fitz could hit that. Will didn't make a single throw today that Wright can't, that's a fact. Not saying Wright would hit those throws the same rate as Will, but with his legs he doesn't have too to still be the better option overall.
Just let wright run the real offense for a drive or 2, that's all we're asking. Let him throw it. He was 57% last year with a worse WR corps, he can throw a damn slant or out route here too.
EDIT: Looked it up, in 2017 Fitz was 55% for 6.2 Y/A. Wright has better passing stats at Vandy than Fitz did here. SO just for comparison, Wright is actually a better passer than Fitz
NCMSTFAN
09-02-2023, 10:34 PM
Get out of here with that, you think we didn't throw the ball with Wright because we are hiding a secret weapon or something? He attempted 0 passes on purpose and by play calling. There is a reason for that. He is running the packages he can run. If he gets hot he can hit passes better now than in the spring, he has some arm talent, but don't confuse his electric run ability with his packages with being the best to run the entire offense. We have the spring, spring game, fall practices and scrimmages to evaluate from. Hell I've actually seen him throw this fall, you haven't because he sure didn't today. Will is the best option right now.
Why are you all defending Rogers so much??? Did we not watch the same damn game? Rogers DID NOT look good today!!! Bottom line. Wright's playstyle looked better. I'm hoping Rodgers looks better next week because he is obviously QB1 but stop defending mediocre QB play!!!!
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-02-2023, 10:37 PM
We haven't even seen Wright throw a pass yet in this offense. He busted some runs against a tired FCS defense.
I'm not hanging my hat on that at this point.
Nobody is "hangin their hat" on Wright. What we are doing is hitting the panic button on Will Rogers because he was awful vs the same FCS defense. We want to see if Wright has "it", because Will sure doesn't
Will missed a couple easy throws, made zero deep or impressive throws, and looked scared the whole time. I asked about 5 times for the pro Will camp to name me his best play and heard crickets, because there was no "best play". Only mediocre plays anybody can make.
Compare that to Wright, who comes in and immediately gets yards every play vs the same D Will was scared of. Yeah, we're desperate for Wright to be "the guy" because we NEED him to be "the guy". Nobody is saying he IS "the guy", just that we want to see him play
Maverick91
09-02-2023, 11:17 PM
Y’all do understand Wright didn’t even throw for 1000 yards last year.
BeardoMSU
09-02-2023, 11:19 PM
Y’all do understand Wright didn’t even throw for 1000 yards last year.
He's the backup, tho. DurrrrrRrRrrRr!!!*
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 11:30 PM
Nobody is "hangin their hat" on Wright. What we are doing is hitting the panic button on Will Rogers because he was awful vs the same FCS defense. We want to see if Wright has "it", because Will sure doesn't
Will missed a couple easy throws, made zero deep or impressive throws, and looked scared the whole time. I asked about 5 times for the pro Will camp to name me his best play and heard crickets, because there was no "best play". Only mediocre plays anybody can make.
Compare that to Wright, who comes in and immediately gets yards every play vs the same D Will was scared of. Yeah, we're desperate for Wright to be "the guy" because we NEED him to be "the guy". Nobody is saying he IS "the guy", just that we want to see him play
I would have liked to have seen him throw too. I don't understand why we didn't.
While Will didn't play well today that doesn't mean he isn't the best guy to start. I'm just saying there is probably a really good reason why Wright isn't starting. He did lose the starting job at Vanderbilt after all.
vindastra
09-02-2023, 11:50 PM
Nobody is "hangin their hat" on Wright. What we are doing is hitting the panic button on Will Rogers because he was awful vs the same FCS defense. We want to see if Wright has "it", because Will sure doesn't
Naah, Wright ran against a tired FCS defense. But Will had to play against an extra-strong all-SEC defense in the same game.
dawgday166
09-02-2023, 11:55 PM
I would have liked to have seen him throw too. I don't understand why we didn't.
While Will didn't play well today that doesn't mean he isn't the best guy to start. I'm just saying there is probably a really good reason why Wright isn't starting. He did lose the starting job at Vanderbilt after all.
Not saying Wright should start but ... Seems like a guy named Joe lost the job at ND a couple of times before leading them to a Natty. Seems like he might've also won a SB or 2.
Todd4State
09-02-2023, 11:57 PM
Naah, Wright ran against a tired FCS defense. But Will had to play against an extra-strong all-SEC defense in the same game.
I mean I don't see very many people on here giving Will a pass and rightfully so. It still doesn't mean that Wright is the better QB of the two even though Will didn't play well.
tireddawg
09-03-2023, 12:44 AM
Running sideways was by play design... lol
Haha, Will's play design.
Really Clark?
09-03-2023, 07:07 AM
Why are you all defending Rogers so much??? Did we not watch the same damn game? Rogers DID NOT look good today!!! Bottom line. Wright's playstyle looked better. I'm hoping Rodgers looks better next week because he is obviously QB1 but stop defending mediocre QB play!!!!
Don't try to switch tactics with me because you can't show me anywhere and in anyway that I defended how Will played today. Just 1 example. I haven't but I've seen them run the offense enough to completely understand why Will is the starting QB right now.
MBDawg601
09-03-2023, 07:18 AM
We will be fine. Slow start, but in the end we did what was expected. Imposed our will on a weak FCS team. Sure we didn't hang 70 up, but the 2nd half was complete domination on both sides of the ball.
chef dixon
09-03-2023, 07:49 AM
I did crack up a few times when we did a bunch of misdirection and their guys were not fooled at all
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-03-2023, 08:11 AM
I did crack up a few times when we did a bunch of misdirection and their guys were not fooled at all
Yeah not a good look when your big brain plays can't fool an FCS week 1 defense. Like maybe we should have spent that practice time teaching the OL their blocking assignments...
BuckyIsAB****
09-03-2023, 08:19 AM
Nobody is "hangin their hat" on Wright. What we are doing is hitting the panic button on Will Rogers because he was awful vs the same FCS defense. We want to see if Wright has "it", because Will sure doesn't
Will missed a couple easy throws, made zero deep or impressive throws, and looked scared the whole time. I asked about 5 times for the pro Will camp to name me his best play and heard crickets, because there was no "best play". Only mediocre plays anybody can make.
Compare that to Wright, who comes in and immediately gets yards every play vs the same D Will was scared of. Yeah, we're desperate for Wright to be "the guy" because we NEED him to be "the guy". Nobody is saying he IS "the guy", just that we want to see him play
No, nobody had time to go find the best ?will play? because the game was literally going on and me personally I also got tired of wasting my breath arguing with someone who thinks they know QB play better than Leach, Arnett and Barbay put together. Will has made a lot of plays. Enough plays to still be the starter despite nonsense like this on a weekly basis
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-03-2023, 09:12 AM
No, nobody had time to go find the best ?will play? because the game was literally going on and me personally I also got tired of wasting my breath arguing with someone who thinks they know QB play better than Leach, Arnett and Barbay put together. Will has made a lot of plays. Enough plays to still be the starter despite nonsense like this on a weekly basis
Well the game is over. You've had time to process and think about it.
What was Wills best play yesterday?
See Wright barely played and he made some runs that were electric. Will played the whole game and didn't make a single throw I thought "that was a nice pass". So please, now that you're "wasting your breath" in this comment, "waste your breath" by telling me what Wills best play was
BlackSailsDawg
09-03-2023, 09:51 AM
I would have liked to have seen him throw too. I don't understand why we didn't.
While Will didn't play well today that doesn't mean he isn't the best guy to start. I'm just saying there is probably a really good reason why Wright isn't starting. He did lose the starting job at Vanderbilt after all.
If not playing well =s
- 69% completions
- 2 TDs
- a higher QBR than last year
If that's the worst, then I'm extremely happy!
HancockCountyDog
09-03-2023, 10:03 AM
Well the game is over. You've had time to process and think about it.
What was Wills best play yesterday?
See Wright barely played and he made some runs that were electric. Will played the whole game and didn't make a single throw I thought "that was a nice pass". So please, now that you're "wasting your breath" in this comment, "waste your breath" by telling me what Wills best play was
I think this is a fair criticism. When you factor in the level of competition, it?s more than fair
I do think Will is getting more criticism than he should, the OL was a much bigger issue.
CadaverDawg
09-03-2023, 10:09 AM
BuckyIsARogers is always going to defend Will, so there's no point arguing him. But there needs to be clarification....people saying Will didn't look good, are not saying Mike Wright is the best QB we have on the team.
For instance, I'm not saying Wright should start at QB, but I think we will see his role expand, and we may very well see several series per game where we go full Wright package with an extremely heavy run percentage during those drives. And I feel like we will have to, because Will just isn't scaring anybody. If you don't have a QB with athleticism, he better have confidence and a cannon that he isn't afraid to use, and Will has neither. Will is a nice serviceable QB that will run the offense but will never do anything spectacular. We need spectacular play at times from our QB to win in this league. So we will have to lean on Wright and the WR's in the run game to create explosive plays. It just is what it is. Maybe Parson can be the guy in the future that gives us some home run capability from an Arm AND legs standpoint...but this year we don't have one. I bet Wright comes in and hits a big play action pass play for a TD soon though...it's coming.
We all want Will to be the game changing QB, bc we all love Will. But he just isn't that guy. He's a very solid, accurate passer, but just doesn't have the strong arm and gunslinger confidence needed to overcome his lack of athleticism. So he's limited. Not BAD....just LIMITED. And as a team that will be out-talented in most SEC games, we need no limitations at the most important position on the field.
Barbay will have his work cut out for him this year scheming towards our strengths. We will likely see some plays where we fool nobody on misdirection like yesterday, bc if our QB is involved nobody is ever respecting him as a runner to keep the ball, nor throw it very deep, that kind of thing....but Barbay will still have to try these plays to keep defenses honest. Just be ready for some duds here and there.
Personally I think what yesterday showed was that we need to get Parson some experience and to make sure we are targeting transfer QB's with athleticism this off-season. Everyone wants them, but we have to pony up and land one.
maroonmania
09-03-2023, 10:31 AM
Anytime you play an FCS team and most of your starters are still in deep into the 2nd half its a failure. But hopefully we worked out some offensive kinks yesterday. On to Arizona.
BlackSailsDawg
09-03-2023, 10:36 AM
Anytime you play an FCS team and most of your starters are still in deep into the 2nd half its a failure. But hopefully we worked out some offensive kinks yesterday. On to Arizona.
Every team I watched yesterday must have failed.
BrunswickDawg
09-03-2023, 10:42 AM
Anytime you play an FCS team and most of your starters are still in deep into the 2nd half its a failure. But hopefully we worked out some offensive kinks yesterday. On to Arizona.
We had 42 guys play yesterday. We were rotating players in the 2 and 3 deep all game.
EdwardDrayton
09-03-2023, 10:46 AM
BuckyIsARogers is always going to defend Will, so there's no point arguing him. But there needs to be clarification....people saying Will didn't look good, are not saying Mike Wright is the best QB we have on the team.
For instance, I'm not saying Wright should start at QB, but I think we will see his role expand, and we may very well see several series per game where we go full Wright package with an extremely heavy run percentage during those drives. And I feel like we will have to, because Will just isn't scaring anybody. If you don't have a QB with athleticism, he better have confidence and a cannon that he isn't afraid to use, and Will has neither. Will is a nice serviceable QB that will run the offense but will never do anything spectacular. We need spectacular play at times from our QB to win in this league. So we will have to lean on Wright and the WR's in the run game to create explosive plays. It just is what it is. Maybe Parson can be the guy in the future that gives us some home run capability from an Arm AND legs standpoint...but this year we don't have one. I bet Wright comes in and hits a big play action pass play for a TD soon though...it's coming.
We all want Will to be the game changing QB, bc we all love Will. But he just isn't that guy. He's a very solid, accurate passer, but just doesn't have the strong arm and gunslinger confidence needed to overcome his lack of athleticism. So he's limited. Not BAD....just LIMITED. And as a team that will be out-talented in most SEC games, we need no limitations at the most important position on the field.
Barbay will have his work cut out for him this year scheming towards our strengths. We will likely see some plays where we fool nobody on misdirection like yesterday, bc if our QB is involved nobody is ever respecting him as a runner to keep the ball, nor throw it very deep, that kind of thing....but Barbay will still have to try these plays to keep defenses honest. Just be ready for some duds here and there.
Personally I think what yesterday showed was that we need to get Parson some experience and to make sure we are targeting transfer QB's with athleticism this off-season. Everyone wants them, but we have to pony up and land one.
Well said CD.
NCMSTFAN
09-03-2023, 11:35 AM
Don't try to switch tactics with me because you can't show me anywhere and in anyway that I defended how Will played today. Just 1 example. I haven't but I've seen them run the offense enough to completely understand why Will is the starting QB right now.
I'm not switching tactics. We both watched the same game yesterday did we not? Practice vs. Games are two totally different things and from what was shown on t.v. Wright played better in his role than Rogers did in his role. We moved the ball every snap that Wright played... Im talking about game film. Again I'm not saying to pull Rogers yet but you can't deny Wright the opportunity to play in this offense when he is producing that way.
BlackSailsDawg
09-03-2023, 11:41 AM
I'm not switching tactics. We both watched the same game yesterday did we not? Practice vs. Games are two totally different things and from what was shown on t.v. Wright played better in his role than Rogers did in his role. We moved the ball every snap that Wright played... Im talking about game film. Again I'm not saying to pull Rogers yet but you can't deny Wright the opportunity to play in this offense when he is producing that way.
Wright is playing his role. It's the role that he was brought in to play.
BuckyIsAB****
09-03-2023, 12:16 PM
Well the game is over. You've had time to process and think about it.
What was Wills best play yesterday?
See Wright barely played and he made some runs that were electric. Will played the whole game and didn't make a single throw I thought "that was a nice pass". So please, now that you're "wasting your breath" in this comment, "waste your breath" by telling me what Wills best play was
Well I can think of one roll out that he hit over the middle that was impressive to anyone but somebody who has an axe to grind. I could go on and on. His best play in the coaches eyes may be the fact he didnt force it when there was no need to. The simplest fact of the matter is this, no matter how much you or others bitch and complain and point out he has limitations (every man but Jesus has) he is going to be the starter and he is going to keep winning and hold every record here when he is done.
BuckyIsAB****
09-03-2023, 12:17 PM
BuckyIsARogers is always going to defend Will, so there's no point arguing him. But there needs to be clarification....people saying Will didn't look good, are not saying Mike Wright is the best QB we have on the team.
For instance, I'm not saying Wright should start at QB, but I think we will see his role expand, and we may very well see several series per game where we go full Wright package with an extremely heavy run percentage during those drives. And I feel like we will have to, because Will just isn't scaring anybody. If you don't have a QB with athleticism, he better have confidence and a cannon that he isn't afraid to use, and Will has neither. Will is a nice serviceable QB that will run the offense but will never do anything spectacular. We need spectacular play at times from our QB to win in this league. So we will have to lean on Wright and the WR's in the run game to create explosive plays. It just is what it is. Maybe Parson can be the guy in the future that gives us some home run capability from an Arm AND legs standpoint...but this year we don't have one. I bet Wright comes in and hits a big play action pass play for a TD soon though...it's coming.
We all want Will to be the game changing QB, bc we all love Will. But he just isn't that guy. He's a very solid, accurate passer, but just doesn't have the strong arm and gunslinger confidence needed to overcome his lack of athleticism. So he's limited. Not BAD....just LIMITED. And as a team that will be out-talented in most SEC games, we need no limitations at the most important position on the field.
Barbay will have his work cut out for him this year scheming towards our strengths. We will likely see some plays where we fool nobody on misdirection like yesterday, bc if our QB is involved nobody is ever respecting him as a runner to keep the ball, nor throw it very deep, that kind of thing....but Barbay will still have to try these plays to keep defenses honest. Just be ready for some duds here and there.
Personally I think what yesterday showed was that we need to get Parson some experience and to make sure we are targeting transfer QB's with athleticism this off-season. Everyone wants them, but we have to pony up and land one.
Change the coaches and every kid on the teams name to Rogers too then while you?re at it because they all would defend him
TrapGame
09-03-2023, 12:22 PM
Well I can think of one roll out that he hit over the middle that was impressive to anyone but somebody who has an axe to grind. I could go on and on. His best play in the coaches eyes may be the fact he didnt force it when there was no need to. The simplest fact of the matter is this, no matter how much you or others bitch and complain and point out he has limitations (every man but Jesus has) he is going to be the starter and he is going to keep winning and hold every record here when he is done.
I guess he didn't see that beautiful pass to Creed for a touchdown. That was a well thrown ball. That play was one of our showcase plays on SEC Now.
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-03-2023, 02:55 PM
I think this is a fair criticism. When you factor in the level of competition, it?s more than fair
I do think Will is getting more criticism than he should, the OL was a much bigger issue.
Agreed about the OL. However OLs tend to gel and learn assignments quick. And of they don't, what can you do about it? Can't replace the entire OL like you can replace a QB with the backup. Thus the emphasis on QB
the_real_MSU_is_us
09-03-2023, 03:01 PM
I guess he didn't see that beautiful pass to Creed for a touchdown. That was a well thrown ball. That play was one of our showcase plays on SEC Now.
The busted coverage where creed walked in because nobody was near him? Really? Watched the replay the DB was 8 yards behind him on a 33 yard throw. Will did his job yes but that play wasn't "impressive" at all
CadaverDawg
09-03-2023, 03:05 PM
The busted coverage where creed walked in because nobody was near him? Really? Watched the replay the DB was 8 yards behind him on a 33 yard throw. Will did his job yes but that play wasn't "impressive" at all
Yeah I gotta say, if that's Will's "impressive throw" from yesterday, we are F'd more than I even thought with him at the helm
TrapGame
09-03-2023, 03:28 PM
The busted coverage where creed walked in because nobody was near him? Really? Watched the replay the DB was 8 yards behind him on a 33 yard throw. Will did his job yes but that play wasn't "impressive" at all
Yeah I gotta say, if that's Will's "impressive throw" from yesterday, we are F'd more than I even thought with him at the helm
Nothing is good enough for you guys. We could have a guy far worse than Will as starting QB. Could he be better? Sure, but, the level of disrespect he gets around here is pretty sad.
CadaverDawg
09-03-2023, 03:41 PM
Nothing is good enough for you guys. We could have a guy far worse than Will as starting QB. Could he be better? Sure, but, the level of disrespect he gets around here is pretty sad.
Don't get mad at us when the only "impressive" throw YOU could point out, was a busted coverage wide open TD. Your words, not mine. He should have had better moments as a 10th year player versus SELA, is all people are saying...and you kinda proved their point.
I love Will. He seems like a great dude, and he definitely isn't going to hurt us....but we are just extremely limited in terms of our offense and our win potential with him back there. Not sayingng Wright should start game 2....but he should get a lot more reps moving forward. Unless our coaches and fans are ok with 6-7 wins.
TrapGame
09-03-2023, 03:53 PM
Don't get mad at us when the only "impressive" throw YOU could point out, was a busted coverage wide open TD. Your words, not mine. He should have had better moments as a 10th year player versus SELA, is all people are saying...and you kinda proved their point.
I love Will. He seems like a great dude, and he definitely isn't going to hurt us....but we are just extremely limited in terms of our offense and our win potential with him back there. Not sayingng Wright should start game 2....but he should get a lot more reps moving forward. Unless our coaches and fans are ok with 6-7 wins.
I love Will too, but some of the criticism around here is way unwarranted. And as far as that "impressive" throw goes, the way Will is talked about as such subpar passer he should have missed Creed. And frankly I'm sure there are some on this board that wish he had so they could continue the bashing and take it up a notch.
The only way Will loses his spot is if Wright goes into the LSU game and starts chunking dimes and running over LBs. And honestly, it wouldn't totally shock me if something like that happened.
maroonmania
09-03-2023, 04:14 PM
Every team I watched yesterday must have failed.
Apparently you need to get more viewing channels. Fail might be a little strong but I'm not aware of any other P5 teams playing an FCS team yesterday where the FCS team was still within 2 scores deep into the 3rd quarter. Maybe I listened to too much Hadad last week but I certainly expected more than 20 points deep into the 3rd Q. But seems like we got through the game with no major injuries and we got the win. We show well next week and this game is meaningless anyway.
CadaverDawg
09-03-2023, 04:29 PM
I love Will too, but some of the criticism around here is way unwarranted. And as far as that "impressive" throw goes, the way Will is talked about as such subpar passer he should have missed Creed. And frankly I'm sure there are some on this board that wish he had so they could continue the bashing and take it up a notch.
The only way Will loses his spot is if Wright goes into the LSU game and starts chunking dimes and running over LBs. And honestly, it wouldn't totally shock me if something like that happened.
I'm not a Will Rogers fan or a Mike Wright fan....I'm a Mississippi State fan. I want whichever QB in there that will help us win more games. I like all of our players....but I just hope coaches don't look at the past when deciding who to put at QB. What Rogers has accomplished numbers wise in his career should have zero bearing on whether he is State's QB next week or next play. I want the QB that gives us the better chance at winning more games. Im not sure who that is right now. This offense seems like it works best when the QB can move...will be interesting to see if that makes a difference on our QB choice as things progress.
But I just want the guy in there that gives us more TD's, points, and wins.
Really Clark?
09-03-2023, 04:32 PM
Apparently you need to get more viewing channels. Fail might be a little strong but I'm not aware of any other P5 teams playing an FCS team yesterday where the FCS team was still within 2 scores deep into the 3rd quarter. Maybe I listened to too much Hadad last week but I certainly expected more than 20 points deep into the 3rd Q. But seems like we got through the game with no major injuries and we got the win. We show well next week and this game is meaningless anyway.
Not 2 scores but GA was 17-0 into the 3rd quarter. Punted their first possession in the 3rd but pulled away middle of 3rd quarter. They also punted the ball 5 times yesterday we punted twice. UTM was not quite as strong of a returning team as SELA.
TrapGame
09-03-2023, 05:00 PM
I'm not a Will Rogers fan or a Mike Wright fan....I'm a Mississippi State fan. I want whichever QB in there that will help us win more games. I like all of our players....but I just hope coaches don't look at the past when deciding who to put at QB. What Rogers has accomplished numbers wise in his career should have zero bearing on whether he is State's QB next week or next play. I want the QB that gives us the better chance at winning more games. Im not sure who that is right now. This offense seems like it works best when the QB can move...will be interesting to see if that makes a difference on our QB choice as things progress.
But I just want the guy in there that gives us more TD's, points, and wins.
Kinda makes me wonder, just a tad, if we have something we are not showing until LSU and that is Mike Wright is really That Guy. He fits this offensive scheme way better than Will. LSU will spend 90% of the practice preparing for Will and then Mike takes the field and stuns them.
Yeah, it's crazy but the offense definitely responds to Wright differently when he's out there. And it's doubtful Zach and Barbay are playing this kind of 3D chess.
BlackSailsDawg
09-03-2023, 06:34 PM
The busted coverage where creed walked in because nobody was near him? Really? Watched the replay the DB was 8 yards behind him on a 33 yard throw. Will did his job yes but that play wasn't "impressive" at all
Wow.
BlackSailsDawg
09-03-2023, 06:35 PM
Nothing is good enough for you guys. We could have a guy far worse than Will as starting QB. Could he be better? Sure, but, the level of disrespect he gets around here is pretty sad.
Back up QB biggest fans. And it will always be that way for them.
TrapGame
09-03-2023, 06:43 PM
Wow.
Yes, I know. I feel the same way. That was a good pass on the money for thirty yards and a TD. A lot of people on here think Will can't complete a pass over twenty yards much less hit an open receiver for thirty.
Back up QB biggest fans. And it will always be that way for them.
No, just like Cadaver I'm a fan of winning. I want the best QB out there, whether it's Will or Wright. And I said that was my crazy, out there theory.
But, I do believe Barbay is holding Wright back a little. We are saving some packages for LSU.
Lord McBuckethead
09-03-2023, 08:15 PM
You could put anyone out there and achieve the same exact thing.
Lord McBuckethead
09-03-2023, 08:17 PM
Wow.
Well it was a busted play that wasn?t impressive.
KOdawg1
09-03-2023, 08:26 PM
Will is a decent QB. He's slightly above average.
That makes people furious for some reason, but it's true. We can win games with average. Last year proved that.
He's usually pretty accurate, makes good decisions, and controls the game well.
But he gives us a ceiling. He's immobile, his arm is weak, and he's scared as shit to throw the ball down the field. I'm not saying Wright should start over him. I genuinely think Will is the best we've got right now. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to the day we don't have a one-dimensional QB that handicaps what we can do on offense.
NCMSTFAN
09-03-2023, 08:30 PM
Back up QB biggest fans. And it will always be that way for them.
Eh... this situation is a little different. Wright is a backup QB that actually has film to prove what he can do in this system after a game. We all watched how the chains moved yesterday. It's not one of those QB situations where we kinda hope the 2nd guy can produce, Wright showed it
msstate7
09-03-2023, 08:35 PM
Will is a decent QB. He's slightly above average.
That makes people furious for some reason, but it's true. We can win games with average. Last year proved that.
He's usually pretty accurate, makes good decisions, and controls the game well.
But he gives us a ceiling. He's immobile, his arm is weak, and he's scared as shit to throw the ball down the field. I'm not saying Wright should start over him. I genuinely think Will is the best we've got right now. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to the day we don't have a one-dimensional QB that handicaps what we can do on offense.
I think some of the frustration is will just hasn't really improved since he got here. He certainly doesn't suck, but he seems to be at his ceiling
KOdawg1
09-03-2023, 08:40 PM
I think some of the frustration is will just hasn't really improved since he got here. He certainly doesn't suck, but he seems to be at his ceiling
Yeah he's sort of been the same guy for 4 years.
CadaverDawg
09-03-2023, 08:48 PM
Will is a decent QB. He's slightly above average.
That makes people furious for some reason, but it's true. We can win games with average. Last year proved that.
He's usually pretty accurate, makes good decisions, and controls the game well.
But he gives us a ceiling. He's immobile, his arm is weak, and he's scared as shit to throw the ball down the field. I'm not saying Wright should start over him. I genuinely think Will is the best we've got right now. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to the day we don't have a one-dimensional QB that handicaps what we can do on offense.
Very well stated
CadaverDawg
09-03-2023, 08:51 PM
I think some of the frustration is will just hasn't really improved since he got here. He certainly doesn't suck, but he seems to be at his ceiling
Yeah, you can't improve a weak arm, no wheels, and the fear of being hit. It's why he was built for Leach. He could throw short passes into zone coverage and get rid of it quick without getting hit. It's also why as much as we all love him, we all know he limits us.
Todd4State
09-03-2023, 09:51 PM
Yeah, you can't improve a weak arm, no wheels, and the fear of being hit. It's why he was built for Leach. He could throw short passes into zone coverage and get rid of it quick without getting hit. It's also why as much as we all love him, we all know he limits us.
Even Leach wanted him to push the ball downfield more.
BuckyIsAB****
09-03-2023, 10:10 PM
Even Leach wanted him to push the ball downfield more.
No, he didnt. He wanted him to run the offense like it was meant to be ran. We were triple option, yall got tired of the dumpoffs exactly lie giving the dive.
Saying Will has a weak arm is just false. Weak compared to who? Brett Favre? Sure
MrCoachKlein
09-03-2023, 10:13 PM
The first half o didn't look too good. Second half was fine. This should've been expected with a giant shift of philosophy.
I'd like to remind everyone that we just had 525 yards of offense. Leach's O against a worse FCS team by far only managed 418. Did put up more points though. We're on the right track.
Todd4State
09-04-2023, 12:14 AM
No, he didnt. He wanted him to run the offense like it was meant to be ran. We were triple option, yall got tired of the dumpoffs exactly lie giving the dive.
Saying Will has a weak arm is just false. Weak compared to who? Brett Favre? Sure
Pretty sure Leach wanted him to throw it to guys that were wide open down the field when that was the case.
Todd4State
09-04-2023, 12:18 AM
The first half o didn't look too good. Second half was fine. This should've been expected with a giant shift of philosophy.
I'd like to remind everyone that we just had 525 yards of offense. Leach's O against a worse FCS team by far only managed 418. Did put up more points though. We're on the right track.
Thing is when we bring in Wright to bail us out it's not going to be against a tired FCS defense. One of the most concerning things to me about last night is it was still a game with about 8 minutes left in the third quarter. If SELU had gotten a cheap TD off of an INT, fumble, guy slips down, and etc. and then all of a sudden it's 20-14 and we're on upset watch on every TV in America. Now thankfully it didn't play out like that it has been awhile since I was somewhat concerned about the outcome of a game against a FCS team- probably the first time since we played Samford and Sirmon had no clue how to stop them.
BuckyIsAB****
09-04-2023, 06:11 AM
Pretty sure Leach wanted him to throw it to guys that were wide open down the field when that was the case.
Well yeah, but that didnt happen majority of the time. They took that away so you had to give the dive
TrapGame
09-04-2023, 08:30 AM
Thing is when we bring in Wright to bail us out it's not going to be against a tired FCS defense. One of the most concerning things to me about last night is it was still a game with about 8 minutes left in the third quarter. If SELU had gotten a cheap TD off of an INT, fumble, guy slips down, and etc. and then all of a sudden it's 20-14 and we're on upset watch on every TV in America. Now thankfully it didn't play out like that it has been awhile since I was somewhat concerned about the outcome of a game against a FCS team- probably the first time since we played Samford and Sirmon had no clue how to stop them.
Todd, I love ya, but we were not the only SEC team Saturday that didn't start putting the lesser opponent away until the third quarter.
Goldendawg
09-04-2023, 10:31 AM
One of the things I believe about this staff is that they will play the best players we have. If a player is struggling to the point of costing us a game. He will sit. This includes all positions. Hail State!
Todd4State
09-04-2023, 01:24 PM
Todd, I love ya, but we were not the only SEC team Saturday that didn't start putting the lesser opponent away until the third quarter.
I know. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have done so sooner.
Or the other teams either.
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