?Miraculous for this team to win 6 games?

[Reason2succeed]

https://youtu.be/8RMABaji0N4

They have us losing to Southern Miss. 🤣🤣🤣

[Captain Falcon]

I am a dumber person for having watched that

[Westdawg]

2-10.
What the actual???..

[Todd4State]

I saw that it was Tennessee fans and it made sense to me.

[Coach34]

That’s some Mississippi Rebel level of moronic drivel there

[Todd4State]

2-10.
What the actual???..

When was the last time we only won 2 games? I think 2003 which was Jackie's last year? For context on how dumb they are Croom's lowest win total was 3. Since we hired Dan the worst we've done is 5- and that's only happened once since 2010. And that's regular season. We technically won 6 if you include the bowl game and to be fair I really should. We've only won 2 or fewer games TWICE since 1980. Joe Moorhead had a six alarm disaster and managed to win 6 games and that was with random players being suspended every week.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

That video was awesome.

[SpaceBully]

So they are basing our demise all on Rogers not translating over to the pro offense sets. Hmmmm.

[was21]

I feel dumber after having watched that

[Leroy Jenkins]

The team with the 7th longest active bowl streak in the nation is going to win 2 games? If you ever wonder how sportsbooks make money, it's off people like this.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It always bother me how someone is like Air Raid QB not being able to run a Pro-set offense? Like dude, the QBs job is damn near identical. Read the defense, take the snap, get the ball out safely. Sometimes people make the job more difficult than it is. Will can do those things.
Now if we were changing to the Relf offense with Will, he would fail.

[Offshore Dawg]

That’s some Mississippi Rebel level of moronic drivel there

Much truth to this statement there is.

[TrapGame]

That was hard to watch. Something tells me they are not only brothers but also cousins. That top idiot has us losing to USM, Arizona and possibly the college football juggernaut of Western Michigan.

I can't wait for these simpletons to post their Tennessee predictions I'm guessing they both see UT going 10-2 at worst.

[State82]

Mutated chromosome. Without question.

[Todd4State]

It always bother me how someone is like Air Raid QB not being able to run a Pro-set offense? Like dude, the QBs job is damn near identical. Read the defense, take the snap, get the ball out safely. Sometimes people make the job more difficult than it is. Will can do those things.
Now if we were changing to the Relf offense with Will, he would fail.

I mean it will be an adjustment. I think the o-line will have to make the biggest adjustment personally. The biggest adjustment I think Will is going to have to make is reading different defenses and making different reads.

Now that said even with an adjustment to be expected saying that we're going to win 2-4 games is ludicrous. If things go to hell in a hand basket I'm thinking we win five games. And that's like worst case scenario everything went wrong. And that may be pessimistic. If we win 2 games with a loss to USM we're probably going to fire Arnett. And rightfully so. I don't think that happens though.

The thing is no one really knows what Barbay is actually going to do. Not even our fans or Tennessee fans. If he keeps enough of the Air Raid concepts around that will help any transition for sure. Will threw passes 60% of the time in the spring game so I don't think us doing that during the season is a stretch. Barbay has run Jim McElwain's offense and who knows how much say he had in that? That could have been a situation like Dan and Les Koenning where Les was the OC but it was definitely Dan's scheme and offense. And App State has "their" offense that they've been running for years so I don't know how much we can go off of that even though I'm sure Barbay added some things to it.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Again, Will Rogers only ever running air raid is a myth. A total fallacy

[bulldawg28]

Again, Will Rogers only ever running air raid is a myth. A total fallacy

Maybe but him running the ball scares me

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Again, Will Rogers only ever running air raid is a myth. A total fallacy

I have no doubt Will will succeed at making 2-3 post snap reads and getting the ball out on time woth accurate passes.

I have 1 doubts: his ability to read pre snap looks now that the alignment and coveragesand blitzes are completely different than what he's used to seeing in college.

I have one genuine issue with him: mobility. He doesn't have the eye or legs to run. He's not good at avoiding pressure. That simply caps our offensive ceiling, it just does. Schematically the threat of a running QB is the answer to certain defensive strategies. A running QB was the only reason LSU beat us last year, for example.

[PGHBulldogBG]

To be honest I understand the skepticism about Will’s ability to run the offense and I doubt we have very high offensive stats. At the same time, Will is intelligent and a good leader which will get us to 6 wins. Regardless of this not really being the best offensive fit for him, I think we still beat SELA, Arizona, WMU, USM, UK and Ole Miss

[Ezsoil]

I think everyone is sleeping on Wright....he's going to bring something that we haven't had since Fitz...a running QB

[dotcomdawg]

but our best offensive performances last year were when we ran the ball. The offensive line was run blocking in those games.


I mean it will be an adjustment. I think the o-line will have to make the biggest adjustment personally. The biggest adjustment I think Will is going to have to make is reading different defenses and making different reads.

[bulldawg28]

but our best offensive performances last year were when we ran the ball. The offensive line was run blocking in those games.



Running the ball isn't an adjustment to the OL. As mentioned before we win games when ran the ball. The wide splits before made it more difficult. They'll be even better with a conventional blocking scheme.

[bulldawg28]

I think everyone is sleeping on Wright....he's going to bring something that we haven't had since Fitz...a running QB

I'm predicting he ends up starting at some point this year.

[PCHSDawg]

I'm predicting he ends up starting at some point this year.
If that is the case then we probably will struggle to be bowl eligible.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We are probably going to have the all time leading SEC passer and our all time leader in wins vs ranked teams at QB but we are talking about starting Mike Wright over him

[DownwardDawg]

I'm predicting he ends up starting at some point this year.

Hahahaha!!!!!!!
Unless you mean because Will is injured.

[DownwardDawg]

We are probably going to have the all time leading SEC passer and our all time leader in wins vs ranked teams at QB but we are talking about starting Mike Wright over him

Top shelf comedy....

[confucius say]

but our best offensive performances last year were when we ran the ball. The offensive line was run blocking in those games.


When we ran against 5 man boxes.
When it was 6 or more we struggled.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think everyone is sleeping on Wright....he's going to bring something that we haven't had since Fitz...a running QB

And everyone will know what is coming the minute he comes in. This is not Fitz, who was a starter and so you at least had to account that he might pass. This is Tebow his Freshman year at Florida. IF he passes, which is a massive IF after watching the spring game, you live with it as a DC

[Coach34]

Wright will be used every Saturday but I dont see him making a start unless Will gets hurt.

[Cowbell]

And everyone will know what is coming the minute he comes in. This is not Fitz, who was a starter and so you at least had to account that he might pass. This is Tebow his Freshman year at Florida. IF he passes, which is a massive IF after watching the spring game, you live with it as a DC

This sounds smart in theory but if you know football, you know it isn't true. If it were, then why do most teams have their own version of the "wildcat" and have success with it. Anytime you add a wrinkle, it makes coaches have to practice to defend it, players to think deeper, and just makes your play calling even more unpredictable.

Heck, half the teams in the league knew we were throwing every down but still couldn't stop it.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

And everyone will know what is coming the minute he comes in. This is not Fitz, who was a starter and so you at least had to account that he might pass. This is Tebow his Freshman year at Florida. IF he passes, which is a massive IF after watching the spring game, you live with it as a DC

You're aware that Florida didn't give an F if you knew Tebow would run it? It's hard to stop and was effectively at getting 4 yards whether you stacked the box or not

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

When we ran against 5 man boxes.
When it was 6 or more we struggled.

And we only had 5 OL with no TE. You're basically saying "when the defense had more defenders in the box than we had blockers, we struggled to run the ball". Yeah no sh*t. That's when you pass it because they clearly don't have safety help over the top. Football math 101.

So for Barbay with a TE, we run the ball on 6 man boxes, we pass/swing the ball outside to the RB vs 7 man boxes.

[Pancho]

Tebow weighed about 235 or so didn't he? what does Wright weigh?

[Reason2succeed]

I'm predicting he ends up starting at some point this year.

If it were me I would have Wright play vs LSU and Alabama. Then I would save him for the Egg Bowl, emergency situations and the bowl game. If possible I would try to redshirt him while using him against our best opponents.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If it were me I would have Wright play vs LSU and Alabama. Then I would save him for the Egg Bowl, emergency situations and the bowl game. If possible I would try to redshirt him while using him against our best opponents.

I think it's a big assumption that Wright in wildcat is a better offense than our base offense with Will. The change of pace/gimmick may be to our advantage at times, but plan A is for the starting QB and offensive system to be so good we never need said gimmick. It's also reasonable to, for year 1 at least, spend all our time installing the base offense vs repping a weird wildcat package. We've got to execute the base plays before we get sneaky with it.

[msu15]

If it were me I would have Wright play vs LSU and Alabama. Then I would save him for the Egg Bowl, emergency situations and the bowl game. If possible I would try to redshirt him while using him against our best opponents.

Oh man I would be so down for that if he's allowed to redshirt this year. That would give him 2 more years to be eligible here.

[confucius say]

And we only had 5 OL with no TE. You're basically saying "when the defense had more defenders in the box than we had blockers, we struggled to run the ball". Yeah no sh*t. That's when you pass it because they clearly don't have safety help over the top. Football math 101.

So for Barbay with a TE, we run the ball on 6 man boxes, we pass/swing the ball outside to the RB vs 7 man boxes.

The point is we have to have a numbers advantage to even have a chance to run the ball with this OL, and we will see if we do that or try to run the ball when we don't have numbers. Barbay wants to be able to run it down people's throats, his words not mine.
And even with numbers, I'll be shocked if we can run it against top half sec run defenses with our OL.

[confucius say]

Tebow weighed about 235 or so didn't he? what does Wright weigh?

He also had multiple NFL TE, an NFL RB, and several NFL OL blocking for him. Not sure we have any.

[TrapGame]

The point is we have to have a numbers advantage to even have a chance to run the ball with this OL, and we will see if we do that or try to run the ball when we don't have numbers. Barbay wants to be able to run it down people's throats, his words not mine.
And even with numbers, I'll be shocked if we can run it against top half sec run defenses with our OL.

Yeah, torching UNC's crappy secondary for 361 yards was really running it down their throats. Barbay takes advantage of what's given to him. The Barbay Ground and Pound is a myth some of you guys continue to spread.

[confucius say]

Yeah, torching UNC's crappy secondary for 361 yards was really running it down their throats. Barbay takes advantage of what's given to him. The Barbay Ground and Pound is a myth some of you guys continue to spread.

That's great. Hope it continues (Even if 215 of those 361 came in the fourth when they were down 41-21 and they still ran it more then they passed).

I like the guy a lot from the brief conversations I had with him.

[ScoobaDawg]

WHat idiots. Reason why never heard of those homers before.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The point is we have to have a numbers advantage to even have a chance to run the ball with this OL, and we will see if we do that or try to run the ball when we don't have numbers. Barbay wants to be able to run it down people's throats, his words not mine.
And even with numbers, I'll be shocked if we can run it against top half sec run defenses with our OL.

Bruh literally NOBODY runs the ball when there's more defenders in the box than blockers! Think typical 11 personal. That's 6 blockers. If the D has more men than that in the box, that's 7 defenders. That leaves man free coverage. No OC runs on that, they go play action and pass over the top, slip the TE/RB to the flat, do a WR screen, roll out on a bootleg etc.

Nobody runs when you literally can't possibly block everyone. Not sure why you're putting this requirement on us

[BulldogDX55]

Bruh literally NOBODY runs the ball when there's more defenders in the box than blockers! Think typical 11 personal. That's 6 blockers. If the D has more men than that in the box, that's 7 defenders. That leaves man free coverage. No OC runs on that, they go play action and pass over the top, slip the TE/RB to the flat, do a WR screen, roll out on a bootleg etc.

Nobody runs when you literally can't possibly block everyone. Not sure why you're putting this requirement on us

Usually, but there's still misdirection, traps, counters, and draws.

[confucius say]

Bruh literally NOBODY runs the ball when there's more defenders in the box than blockers! Think typical 11 personal. That's 6 blockers. If the D has more men than that in the box, that's 7 defenders. That leaves man free coverage. No OC runs on that, they go play action and pass over the top, slip the TE/RB to the flat, do a WR screen, roll out on a bootleg etc.

Nobody runs when you literally can't possibly block everyone. Not sure why you're putting this requirement on us

Because you just on the previous page used the example of Florida not caring what look the defense gave and Tebow running it regardless "if they stacked the box or not." Malzahn did it. Mullen did it. My point is We can't do that.

The only way this OL will be able to run it is against a light box with numbers, and the even that will be an uphill battle against aub, ky, Bama, lsu, and maybe aggie/usce

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Because you just on the previous page used the example of Florida not caring what look the defense gave and Tebow running it regardless "if they stacked the box or not." Malzahn did it. Mullen did it. My point is We can't do that.

The only way this OL will be able to run it is against a light box with numbers, and the even that will be an uphill battle against aub, ky, Bama, lsu, and maybe aggie/usce

We must be talking about different types of runs. The runs vs stacked boxes I your examples are when you just need 1-2 yards. Yes you can run vs a stacked box in that case as you just need a slight push vs a small part of the line for a small amount of time to get what you need. The defense doesnt get time for the LBs to get there before youve gained the yard. These short yardage situations happen 2, 3x a game and I see no reason to assume our OL can't do it.

That is NOT the same as running vs a stacked box on 1st and 10, 2nd and 5, etc. Nobody does that and we don't need to either

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're aware that Florida didn't give an F if you knew Tebow would run it? It's hard to stop and was effectively at getting 4 yards whether you stacked the box or not

I am aware. Tebow was also 100x the player Wright is. Which is where the problem lies. I guess a better comp would be when we would bring Dak in his freshman year before he could throw. The entire stadium knew what was coming and once teams figured out he was not throwing they just flooded the gaps and shut us down. Teams will contain the edge and force Wright up the middle, where he does not want to go.

[Homedawg]

I'm predicting he ends up starting at some point this year.

If he does, Will is hurt and we will be closer to that 2 win possibility. He's a situational guy.

[Homedawg]

If it were me I would have Wright play vs LSU and Alabama. Then I would save him for the Egg Bowl, emergency situations and the bowl game. If possible I would try to redshirt him while using him against our best opponents.

so concede? Good idea

[Homedawg]

That's great. Hope it continues (Even if 215 of those 361 came in the fourth when they were down 41-21 and they still ran it more then they passed).

I like the guy a lot from the brief conversations I had with him.

They avg 6.7 running it. So that's bad?

[confucius say]

They avg 6.7 running it. So that's bad?

No that's great.
But we won't be able to do that against Bama, lsu, ky, or aub with this OL. And probably not against usce or Aggie.

[TrapGame]

No that's great.
But we won't be able to do that against Bama, lsu, ky, or aub with this OL. And probably not against usce or Aggie.

You can't be serious?! Bama and LSU, sure but UK/AU/USC and A&M?

C'mon man, you sounding like the brother-cousins in the video.

[msu15]

No that's great.
But we won't be able to do that against Bama, lsu, ky, or aub with this OL. And probably not against usce or Aggie.

I love when someone tries to state an opinion as a fact.

[Goldendawg]

As I have posted since joining Elitedawgs and years before, 6-6 in my opinion is a failure for our program under any HC since Jackie taught us to win again. 6-6 would probably mean 4-0 OOC ( with 3 of the 4 usually being cupcakes) and a big failure of 2-6 in the SEC. This fall will be year 55 as a season ticket holder, ( began with my late Super Dog Dad when I was 13), and I expect more.the last few decades and now. 7-4 should always be our floor and if we can only manage 3-5 in the SEC, one of the three better be OM. Anything over 7-4 this year will be a very good season. 9-3 a great season. Hail State!

[Homedawg]

No that's great.
But we won't be able to do that against Bama, lsu, ky, or aub with this OL. And probably not against usce or Aggie.

Nobody does.

[confucius say]

Nobody does.

Agree.For the most part.

So that's certainly not an option for us.

[confucius say]

I love when someone tries to state an opinion as a fact.

When is the last time we averaged 6.7 yards a carry against those teams?

[bulldawg28]

If he does, Will is hurt and we will be closer to that 2 win possibility. He's a situational guy.

I don't buy that. Dude can play

[sabaka]

This coaching staff will adjust play packages/play calls to fit personnel.

[RiverCityDawg]

I don't buy that. Dude can play

He stinks at passing. It's nice to have someone with SEC experience as a backup, but our ceiling is 6 wins if he's our starter. Zero percent chance he starts over a healthy Will Rogers.

[confucius say]

This coaching staff will adjust play packages/play calls to fit personnel.

I tend to agree and hope that's the case.

We've heard that before and been lied to, but I think it's fair to give the staff the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

[lastmajordog]

“We shall see said the Zenmaster” Charlie Wilson’s War