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[State82]

I think we are in 3rd behind Tenn/LSU

A supposed in-the-know LSU alum swore up and down yesterday that he is wrapped up and done but just taking the other visits for shits and giggles. I called BS but he wouldn't even acknowledge that there was a possibility of us or UT being in the hunt. As much as I despise UT baseball I still would prefer they get him over LSU if we cannot pull it off. Just to throw it in the face of this guy.

[raymonddawg]

I heard that Montgomery is staying with Hines in the cape now and will be joining his cape team soon. Seems good.

[Really Clark?]

I heard that Montgomery is staying with Hines in the cape now and will be joining his cape team soon. Seems good.

They are in the lineup together tonight. 3-4 hole hitters

[Cooterpoot]

I'll be surprised if we don't get Montgomery and surprised if we do get Holman.

[Coach34]

I'll be surprised if we don't get Montgomery and surprised if we do get Holman.

That’s where I am also

[The Federalist Engineer]

We literally can't catch a break. That's a huge loss.

That is 40 quality, relief innings pitched that MSU just lost. But the kid wanted to move on, even as a undrafted free agent.

This dude is in the portal, Zach Morris from Arkansas, big LHP. A key guy in their 2022 Omaha team.

Has Foxed-Up numbers in 2023 but was really good in 2022. If you get him to perform like 2022, it's a top relief arm.

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/zack-morris/

[confucius say]

I'll be surprised if we don't get Montgomery and surprised if we do get Holman.

Same. And I'm more confident in getting Montgomery than not getting Holman.

[Saltydog]

If this kinda talent is part of "the plan" then it's gonna be a colossal disaster.

[BigDawg81]

I heard that Montgomery is staying with Hines in the cape now and will be joining his cape team soon. Seems good. They are batting right behind each other in the order

[BigDawg81]

I haven?t heard about the visit but I assume it went as expected. I would not be surprised to hear that Holman commited to LSU tomorrow.

[Coach34]

That is 40 quality, relief innings pitched that MSU just lost. But the kid wanted to move on, even as a undrafted free agent.

He got a 6-figure signing bonus. Easy decision for him

[The Federalist Engineer]

He got a 6-figure signing bonus. Easy decision for him

That's great for him. Hopefully someone gets good, right-now we don't have a replacement on the roster with his mix of success and experience. Omaha experience. Closer experience. Upperclassman.

[Todd4State]

I'll be surprised if we don't get Montgomery and surprised if we do get Holman.

We do have some people in our corner with Holman. We'll see if it's enough.

[Cowbell]

I'll be surprised if we don't get Montgomery and surprised if we do get Holman.

This is where I've been for a month and had no hope of burns....it burns me up that we can't out-hustle wake forest for a pitcher. LSU I get, but Tennessee and wake forest should never be ahead of us. That tells you how bad we are from a coaching standpoint.

[Coach34]

Tenn with their current HC will be ahead of us no matter who our HC is

[The Federalist Engineer]

I haven?t heard about the visit but I assume it went as expected. I would not be surprised to hear that Holman commited to LSU tomorrow.

This is from a some website:

What is Holman looking for in a school? Aside from wanting to stay in the SEC, there are a few boxes that need to be checked when visiting other programs.

“Being comfortable is definitely a big thing. If I go somewhere I visit and I’m just not feeling the place, everything is nice like weight room, resources and everything, but I’m not feeling it. That’s a big factor into my decision,” Holman said. “You don’t want to be uncomfortable going into a place for a year. You want to be comfortable going in, you like the guys there, you like the coaches and you like everyone there. That plays a big factor as well.”

“Tennessee on Monday, Mississippi State on Tuesday and LSU on Wednesday. Then after that I’ll probably go to Alabama to stay at my townhouse for a day then go to Auburn as well. It’s gonna be a long week,” Holman said.

So, decision by Friday this week, at least to himself.

“LSU is just a big market nowadays. You see a bunch of people going there and just the baseball program has taken off,” Holman said. “There are a lot of great players there. Development wise you go there and they develop players really well.”

Who has his attention when it comes to the developmental aspect of things? Paul Skenes.

“They just developed Skenes who went there and gained 20 pounds and is hitting 99-102 [mph] which is insane. The development piece and how they are developing players has been awesome,” Holman said.

Honestly, I hope MSU lands Holman. But the next best thing is turn the pitchers we have into monsters. So kids are talking about Holcombe gaining 20 lbs and throwing 102. People going 1st round. The one-and-done transfer player like a Holman wants MLB centered development more than NIL money. Skenes is now recruiting for LSU. Eventhough he and Wes Johnson are not there anymore.

[AlSwearengen]

This is from a some website:

What is Holman looking for in a school? Aside from wanting to stay in the SEC, there are a few boxes that need to be checked when visiting other programs.

?Being comfortable is definitely a big thing. If I go somewhere I visit and I?m just not feeling the place, everything is nice like weight room, resources and everything, but I?m not feeling it. That?s a big factor into my decision,? Holman said. ?You don?t want to be uncomfortable going into a place for a year. You want to be comfortable going in, you like the guys there, you like the coaches and you like everyone there. That plays a big factor as well.?

?Tennessee on Monday, Mississippi State on Tuesday and LSU on Wednesday. Then after that I?ll probably go to Alabama to stay at my townhouse for a day then go to Auburn as well. It?s gonna be a long week,? Holman said.

So, decision by Friday this week, at least to himself.

?LSU is just a big market nowadays. You see a bunch of people going there and just the baseball program has taken off,? Holman said. ?There are a lot of great players there. Development wise you go there and they develop players really well.?

Who has his attention when it comes to the developmental aspect of things? Paul Skenes.

?They just developed Skenes who went there and gained 20 pounds and is hitting 99-102 [mph] which is insane. The development piece and how they are developing players has been awesome,? Holman said.

Honestly, I hope MSU lands Holman. But the next best thing is turn the pitchers we have into monsters. So kids are talking about Holcombe gaining 20 lbs and throwing 102. People going 1st round. The one-and-done transfer player like a Holman wants MLB centered development more than NIL money. Skenes is now recruiting for LSU. Eventhough he and Wes Johnson are not there anymore.

That is the article that i read. Hopefully, he discussed positives of all schools and they just left that part out. I think it came from the LSU/SI site if i remember correctly, so hopefully it has an lsu slant.

If we run Lemonis off, the first person that I look at is Muscara. He is the new pitcher development star.

[BigDawg81]

This is from a some website:

What is Holman looking for in a school? Aside from wanting to stay in the SEC, there are a few boxes that need to be checked when visiting other programs.

“Being comfortable is definitely a big thing. If I go somewhere I visit and I’m just not feeling the place, everything is nice like weight room, resources and everything, but I’m not feeling it. That’s a big factor into my decision,” Holman said. “You don’t want to be uncomfortable going into a place for a year. You want to be comfortable going in, you like the guys there, you like the coaches and you like everyone there. That plays a big factor as well.”

“Tennessee on Monday, Mississippi State on Tuesday and LSU on Wednesday. Then after that I’ll probably go to Alabama to stay at my townhouse for a day then go to Auburn as well. It’s gonna be a long week,” Holman said.

So, decision by Friday this week, at least to himself.

“LSU is just a big market nowadays. You see a bunch of people going there and just the baseball program has taken off,” Holman said. “There are a lot of great players there. Development wise you go there and they develop players really well.”

Who has his attention when it comes to the developmental aspect of things? Paul Skenes.

“They just developed Skenes who went there and gained 20 pounds and is hitting 99-102 [mph] which is insane. The development piece and how they are developing players has been awesome,” Holman said.

Honestly, I hope MSU lands Holman. But the next best thing is turn the pitchers we have into monsters. So kids are talking about Holcombe gaining 20 lbs and throwing 102. People going 1st round. The one-and-done transfer player like a Holman wants MLB centered development more than NIL money. Skenes is now recruiting for LSU. Eventhough he and Wes Johnson are not there anymore.
If he is solely looking for development, we can?t offer that to him.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If he is solely looking for development, we can?t offer that to him.

Uhh yes we can. Parker is not a 1st time PC. LSU has a new PC too, so if we can't use Parkers numbers at SC then they can't use Yeski's history either

[AlSwearengen]

If he is solely looking for development, we can?t offer that to him.

As I mentioned earlier, SC's pitching staff made a good jump under Parker but it isn't a big sample size and it hasn't been promoted at every turn. At the same time, Wes Johnson has left LSU but Skenes performance is in everyone's face so they are getting tons of milage out of that, deserved or not. They have Yeskie now but A&M fans were glad to see him go. Perception goes a long way.

[The Federalist Engineer]

As I mentioned earlier, SC's pitching staff made a good jump under Parker but it isn't a big sample size and it hasn't been promoted at every turn. At the same time, Wes Johnson has left LSU but Skenes performance is in everyone's face so they are getting tons of milage out of that, deserved or not. They have Yeskie now but A&M fans were glad to see him go. Perception goes a long way.

Not only that. LSU, outside of Skenes was not improved. Thatcher Hurd was a bust until the CWS Christian little is not bigger and stronger. He's actually hurt. Also, you could say that Jay Johnson has not improved any pitchers at LSU. He just got Mariucci to buy him known good pitchers from other schools.

Also, the Skenes example is flawed, because Skenes came from a service academy with top level academics, but middle school PE coaching level athletics. Air Force training people to win WW3 not win SEC weekend series games. Probably any meat head, sport college like LSU could have served him well.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Why anyone would have an ounce of confidence in this program/staff right now is beyond me

[BigDawg81]

I?m not buying this but I hear that Montgomery holds the key to Holman commitment to State. If Montgomery commits to State, Holman should follow. Also, Montgomery, Holman and Burns talked about playing at State together while playing for team USA. Don?t take Burns commitment to Wake seriously. Like I said, I am not buying this but it is funny to say the least

[bigbub50]

One can only hope

[The Federalist Engineer]

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[Cooterpoot]

I?m not buying this but I hear that Montgomery holds the key to Holman commitment to State. If Montgomery commits to State, Holman should follow. Also, Montgomery, Holman and Burns talked about playing at State together while playing for team USA. Don?t take Burns commitment to Wake seriously. Like I said, I am not buying this but it is funny to say the least

LOL

[BigDawg81]

LOL
Lol. I just rolled with it. Yea, that would be awesome. I hope it works out.

[Cowbell]

I?m not buying this but I hear that Montgomery holds the key to Holman commitment to State. If Montgomery commits to State, Holman should follow. Also, Montgomery, Holman and Burns talked about playing at State together while playing for team USA. Don?t take Burns commitment to Wake seriously. Like I said, I am not buying this but it is funny to say the least

Kendall would absolutely lose it 😂

[confucius say]

Burns and Montgomery did talk about playing together. That part is true.

[Cooterpoot]

I?m not buying this but I hear that Montgomery holds the key to Holman commitment to State. If Montgomery commits to State, Holman should follow. Also, Montgomery, Holman and Burns talked about playing at State together while playing for team USA. Don?t take Burns commitment to Wake seriously. Like I said, I am not buying this but it is funny to say the least

I'm all for it! Montgomery isn't even taking visits because he's playing. And he might not. Burns I don't buy but we've had conversations so I just hope we get the chance to find out.

[Turfdawg67]

Burns and Montgomery did talk about playing together. That part is true.

Montgomery Burns runs a nuclear power plant in Springfield. FYI...

[The Federalist Engineer]

Lol. I just rolled with it. Yea, that would be awesome. I hope it works out.

BD81, this is a Bert Stare Psyop, thanks for the entertainment.

If Lemons gets Burns-Montgomery-Holman

MSU starts the season in the Top-4 and would play in Omaha.

LSU-MSU-Tennessee-Florida the Real Deal Contenders, that's assuming LSU can replace Floyd and Skenes.

[BigDawg81]

Per Steve, Holman is down to State and LSU. A decision might come next week.
Montgomery has took some zoom calls with some programs but his parents and State are still talking daily. Hunter Hines is trying to recruit Montgomery.
Nothing that we didn?t know already

[AlSwearengen]

Not to distract from any good vibes that might help our cause with Holman, but apparently Cam Sheulke has done pretty well in the Cape and leading the league in k’s. I saw a clip of him and he was coming from all over the place and the ball was doing some weird stuff.

[TNDawg35]

Not to distract from any good vibes that might help our cause with Holman, but apparently Cam Sheulke has done pretty well in the Cape and leading the league in k’s. I saw a clip of him and he was coming from all over the place and the ball was doing some weird stuff.

I have seen him a few times in videos and he is plum nasty. 3 diff arms slots and every slot is throwing frisbees at the batter. Hell I wouldn’t want to hit against him that’s for sure…

[BigDawg81]

I have seen him a few times in videos and he is plum nasty. 3 diff arms slots and every slot is throwing frisbees at the batter. Hell I wouldn?t want to hit against him that?s for sure? That is the D2 guy?

[AlSwearengen]

That is the D2 guy?

Juco

[Coach34]

Per Steve, Holman is down to State and LSU. A decision might come next week.
Montgomery has took some zoom calls with some programs but his parents and State are still talking daily. Hunter Hines is trying to recruit Montgomery.
Nothing that we didn?t know already

Rosey is usually pretty good with baseball info. That’s encouraging. Still gonna be hard for him to tell LSU no- but maybe our PC hit it off with him vs Yeskie

[Todd4State]

Rosey is usually pretty good with baseball info. That’s encouraging. Still gonna be hard for him to tell LSU no- but maybe our PC hit it off with him vs Yeskie

Yeskie is more known but Parker's staff had a much better season last year than A&M's. More than anything Parker is just a younger coach but I think he is going to make a name for himself at MSU.

[Todd4State]

I have seen him a few times in videos and he is plum nasty. 3 diff arms slots and every slot is throwing frisbees at the batter. Hell I wouldn’t want to hit against him that’s for sure…

The best thing about him is he can be a guy that can go multiple innings. We also know that Dohm can throw multiple innings.

That's very important because those two can help us steal innings on the weekends in case we don't get another legit starter.

Now if we get Holman to go with those two I mentioned plus Gavin Black who I really like plus Montgomery then yeah- we're going to be really good next year.

[ZedFedder]

The best thing about him is he can be a guy that can go multiple innings. We also know that Dohm can throw multiple innings.

That's very important because those two can help us steal innings on the weekends in case we don't get another legit starter.

Now if we get Holman to go with those two I mentioned plus Gavin Black who I really like plus Montgomery then yeah- we're going to be really good next year.

I also think we will see a big jump from Cijntje, Loftin, and Holcombe, too. One of the best traits of Parker?s staff last year was how well they controlled their pitches.

[Saltydog]

Sure hope Parker can work with Dohm to develop another pitch and/or get some movement on that fastball. He's got to do that to take the next step because late in the year he was very hittable in the league.

[Cooterpoot]

Parker will make us better on the pitching side. Hell, half of us could lower a 10 ERA.
If we're around a 5 ERA, we'll win a lot of games. I'm assuming the ball will still be juiced and the zone still ridiculously tight.

[Activated Alpha]

Parker will make us better on the pitching side. Hell, half of us could lower a 10 ERA.
If we're around a 5 ERA, we'll win a lot of games. I'm assuming the ball will still be juiced and the zone still ridiculously tight.

Tighter than Scooba's asshole whenever someone brings up politics in the non-political forums...:p

[ScoobaDawg]

Tighter than Scooba's asshole whenever someone brings up politics in the non-political forums...:p

Hahahahah

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[The Federalist Engineer]

Mason Molina, Texas Tech Ace, is apparently committed to Arkansas

[99jc]

i Heard Luke Holman is down to us and LSU.

[BigDawg81]

i Heard Luke Holman is down to us and LSU. He is. Apparently, Holman just started following Cheese and Loftin on Twitter. FWIW

[BeardoMSU]

He is. Apparently, Holman just started following Cheese and Loftin on Twitter. FWIW

I saw a few "eyes" emojies on Twitter, fwiw.

[The Federalist Engineer]

i Heard Luke Holman is down to us and LSU.

LSU is the buy High, sell low move.

Jay Johnson is looking for a new rented mule to ride. Skenes was too though to wear out

[AlSwearengen]

i'm praying that Holman is comparing yeskie at A&M to Parker at SC and what their staffs did as far as improvement this past year from the previous.

[Commercecomet24]

i Heard Luke Holman is down to us and LSU.

It?s a close race right now.

[TNDawg35]

It?s a close race right now.

I read a story on LSU site where they were asking him about the recruitment. You could tell they were trying hard to make it sound like LSU was ahead but he was not budging. He did say Lemonis and him hit it off really well and it just felt “natural” at State. He mentioned how we had the best facilities in the country and stuff.

Apparently LSU took him to play golf.

He made the comment that no one was ahead and he would take a couple days to fig it out.

On a side note, what the hell OM gonna do? Hell didn’t they loose pretty much the whole team? I have seen them have a few commits out of the portal, but nothing crazy good besides Kendell Rogers blowing them as usual. A lot of PAC 12 kids if I recall.

[Commercecomet24]

I read a story on LSU site where they were asking him about the recruitment. You could tell they were trying hard to make it sound like LSU was ahead but he was not budging. He did say Lemonis and him hit it off really well and it just felt “natural” at State. He mentioned how we had the best facilities in the country and stuff.

Apparently LSU took him to play golf.

He made the comment that no one was ahead and he would take a couple days to fig it out.

On a side note, what the hell OM gonna do? Hell didn’t they loose pretty much the whole team? I have seen them have a few commits out of the portal, but nothing crazy good besides Kendell Rogers blowing them as usual. A lot of PAC 12 kids if I recall.

From what I?ve heard it?s extremely close and to close to call but we are definitely right there. I think we?ve got a great shot to get him.

Yeah you?re right about om they have some serious holes that have not been filled. Almost looks like bianco is tired and about ready to ride off into the sunset.

[Todd4State]

From what I?ve heard it?s extremely close and to close to call but we are definitely right there. I think we?ve got a great shot to get him.

Yeah you?re right about om they have some serious holes that have not been filled. Almost looks like bianco is tired and about ready to ride off into the sunset.

I agree. I think it's a situation from what I have heard where he likes Yeskie and LSU has a lot of hardware plus they are coming off of the championship so they are the darling team right now- at least they were for 2023.

However, they lose a lot and they aren't going to replace Skenes or Crews. At the same time it's not a given that he would be the Friday night guy there with Thatcher Hurd in the fold.

For MSU on the other hand we have an obvious opening on Friday night and while Parker may not be as well known as Yeskie at this point Parker has been very successful and actually outperformed Yeskie last year. Parker is obviously a rising star. And MSU has Hines and Dakota and we could add Montgomery. That's quite a lineup. Not to mention we have really good catcher in Highfill and we will have no less than three seniors starting- Hujsack, Larry, and Kohler from Memphis at third base.

We also have people on our side that may tip the scales close to Holman. Ultimately it will be Holman's choice and hopefully he chooses us.

Bianco- I think he is near the end. There have been rumors about him planning to retire for awhile. I do have to wonder is another losing season does him in for good.

[basedog]

So much at stake, all the talk about Montgomery and Holman, I can't imagine the talk IF neither sign with us, heck even one not coming will be a major loss. I hope we get both and make some serious improvement next year.

[Pancho]

It is imperative that Lemo work the portal and or recruit players who are ready and need little development. Parker is more than critical for us.

[Cooterpoot]

This week will clear things up.

[Activated Alpha]

From what I?ve heard it?s extremely close and to close to call but we are definitely right there. I think we?ve got a great shot to get him.

Yeah you?re right about om they have some serious holes that have not been filled. Almost looks like bianco is tired and about ready to ride off into the sunset.

He deserves to retire with happiness. I hated that OM won the CWS, but was happy he finally got one. OM doesn't deserve him

[State82]

Almost looks like bianco is tired and about ready to ride off into the sunset.

With the present landscape of collegiate athletics it is hard to blame him for feeling that way. I know I would if I had a natty in the books.

[Pancho]

Currently Bianco has 3 LH weekend starters. He has sort of retooled the roster with portal guys to the point that he at least has a DH and 9 bats to fill the order. Not much depth at all if injuries come.

[KOdawg1]

Currently Bianco has 3 LH weekend starters. He has sort of retooled the roster with portal guys to the point that he at least has a DH and 9 bats to fill the order. Not much depth at all if injuries come.

I doubt Elliott is ready by next year. They screwed that up by delaying his surgery.

OM loses a 1st rounder in Gonzalez, a really good hitter in Alderman, and a solid catcher in Harris.

They got a good transfer from Arizona State but they still have a lot of holes. I think they stink again next year and Bianco retires

[Cooterpoot]

I think OM has done ok. They got a solid SS and 3B. They've pulled as much as us so far. We're just in it for two hosses that can really boost us. They don't have anything else really.

[Tripp McNeely]

He deserves to retire with happiness. I hated that OM won the CWS, but was happy he finally got one. OM doesn't deserve him


I doubt Elliott is ready by next year. They screwed that up by delaying his surgery.

OM loses a 1st rounder in Gonzalez, a really good hitter in Alderman, and a solid catcher in Harris.

They got a good transfer from Arizona State but they still have a lot of holes. I think they stink again next year and Bianco retires

If you read some of the quotes from the AZ St baseball coach, sounds like that SS has some Slate in him...

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[Pancho]

His attitude and demeanor will fit in great on the plantation.

[Cowbell]

From what I?ve heard it?s extremely close and to close to call but we are definitely right there. I think we?ve got a great shot to get him.

Yeah you?re right about om they have some serious holes that have not been filled. Almost looks like bianco is tired and about ready to ride off into the sunset.

The "experts" claim they have had a better portal Gail than us. Thus far...

[ZedFedder]

The "experts" claim they have had a better portal Gail than us. Thus far...

So far they have, but you get Holman and Montgomery and it isn?t close.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Speaking of Montgomery, what exactly is going on with him? Everyone here acted like him coming here was a done deal before he even entered the Portal. Then he entered and supposedly he was trying to get Burns here. Then its "I feel a lot better about Montgomery than I do Holman", but that still leaves room for Montgomery to go elsewhere.

What's the deal with him? Why hasn't he committed, who else is he looking at, what are his hangups etc?

[Commercecomet24]

The "experts" claim they have had a better portal Gail than us. Thus far...

They?ve done ok but they have no depth and their pitching is still a question mark imo. I can see a similar season to this year for them. From what I?ve heard Mike is tired and believe this coming season will be his last. He?s earned it though. Mike is a good guy and really doesn?t fit the om mold. He?s been really good to my son.

[Cowbell]

They?ve done ok but they have no depth and their pitching is still a question mark imo. I can see a similar season to this year for them. From what I?ve heard Mike is tired and believe this coming season will be his last. He?s earned it though. Mike is a good guy and really doesn?t fit the om mold. He?s been really good to my son.

I agree. I've always respected him for that. He has always treated us with respect and he's always had class. Not one of them.

[confucius say]

They?ve done ok but they have no depth and their pitching is still a question mark imo. I can see a similar season to this year for them. From what I?ve heard Mike is tired and believe this coming season will be his last. He?s earned it though. Mike is a good guy and really doesn?t fit the om mold. He?s been really good to my son.

He's a class act. They don't deserve that dude

[confucius say]

Speaking of Montgomery, what exactly is going on with him? Everyone here acted like him coming here was a done deal before he even entered the Portal. Then he entered and supposedly he was trying to get Burns here. Then its "I feel a lot better about Montgomery than I do Holman", but that still leaves room for Montgomery to go elsewhere.

What's the deal with him? Why hasn't he committed, who else is he looking at, what are his hangups etc?

Nothing has changed. Still feel good about it. I expect closure in the next 7-10 days. If I'm wrong and it goes south, I'll own it.

[Coach34]

Speaking of Montgomery, what exactly is going on with him?

What's the deal with him? Why hasn't he committed, who else is he looking at, what are his hangups etc?

It’s like being in a Strip Club in Vegas. Montgomery saw the hot chick he wanted a lapdance from (State) then a couple more hot chicks walked by smiling at him. He’s making sure he chooses the wisely who he wants the dance from

[Activated Alpha]

It?s like being in a Strip Club in Vegas. Montgomery saw the hot chick he wanted a lapdance from (State) then a couple more hot chicks walked by smiling at him. He?s making sure he chooses the wisely who he wants the dance from

Maybe we should inform him that those "strippers" are heavily infected with gonorrheasyphilaids.....

[BeardoMSU]

Montgomery saw the hot chick he wanted a lapdance from (State) then a couple more hot chicks walked by smiling at him. He’s making sure he chooses the wisely who he wants the dance from

Got some experience in that, eh???***

[Coach34]

Got some experience in that, eh???***

Is that wrong?

[BeardoMSU]

Is that wrong?

I met my wife in Seminary***

[confucius say]

Y'all need Jesus

[KOdawg1]

Montgomery played for Team USA and now is in the Cape so he really hasn't had time to take visits or anything.

Another factor to consider is that even if we were his destination spot, you don't want to hit the portal and commit somewhere immediately without taking multiple visits and at least making it look like you went through the process. That's how you avoid getting accused of tampering, even though it's likely that's what happened.

[confucius say]

Montgomery played for Team USA and now is in the Cape so he really hasn't had time to take visits or anything.

True, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been visited

[KOdawg1]

True, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been visited
No, but it's not like he can schedule several in a row like Holman did. That's all I was saying

[confucius say]

No, but it's not like he can schedule several in a row like Holman did. That's all I was saying

Oh for sure. It's a good thing he's not out visiting everywhere.

[Coach34]

No but you bet he is doing zoom meetings and such

[confucius say]

No but you bet he is doing zoom meetings and such

Yea. He's been visited too

[BigDawg81]

Yea. He's been visited too looks like our competition for Montgomery is Stanford

[AlSwearengen]

looks like our competition for Montgomery is Stanford

Didn’t Stanford lose a few of their good players? It seemed like at least a couple other starters aside from Montgomery entered the portal. I’d use that against them.

[BigDawg81]

Didn’t Stanford lose a few of their good players? It seemed like at least a couple other starters aside from Montgomery entered the portal. I’d use that against them. I am not sure but Stanford is trying desperately to get him back. The good thing is that Momma Bear is on our side.

[Homedawg]

looks like our competition for Montgomery is Stanford

There's more to what he said than Stanford visiting/ meeting w him. Read that ever how you will.

[Cowbell]

I am not sure but Stanford is trying desperately to get him back. The good thing is that Momma Bear is on our side.

And he has Experienced as much as he can experience at Stanford.

[AlSwearengen]

If he wanted to leave last year, has friends and former hs teammates at State, and Mom likes State, what could Stanford be offering that would make a difference at this point. Outside of guilting him into coming back, I can’t think of an angle for them.

[BigDawg81]

There's more to what he said than Stanford visiting/ meeting w him. Read that ever how you will. I do not know the specifics but the longer Montgomery takes, the less confident I feel about him but I still feel like Montgomery comes to State. As far as Holman, I know the reports says that he is still undecided between State and LSU. I hear that we have people inside his circle. I am curious who those people are.

[Offshore Dawg]

If he wanted to leave last year, has friends and former hs teammates at State, and Mom likes State, what could Stanford be offering that would make a difference at this point. Outside of guilting him into coming back, I can’t think of an angle for them.

That's easy A STANFOED DEGREE !!!! one of the nations best.

[Homedawg]

That's easy A STANFOED DEGREE !!!! one of the nations best.

Odds of him returning to Stanford to get a degree are low. And yes I know he's a great student.

[The Federalist Engineer]

You are not going to pull a talent as big as Montgomery without competition. It's like when you go out with a lady that is so hot that even police, older guys, resort staff, and security look at you like God Man. "Dude are a Russian Oligarch?"

[CaptainObvious]

Good Grief! I hate Lemonis for putting us in this position where we are at the mercy of 2 or 3 20 year olds to get State out of this mess. Whereas the teams we are competing with for these guys just played in Super Regionals and the CWS and don?t really need them to turn next year around. Really sad!

Note: I don?t hate Lemonis as a person. Just what he has done to this program!

[Coach34]

Good Grief! I hate Lemonis for putting us in this position where we are at the mercy of 2 or 3 20 year olds to get State out of this mess. Whereas the teams we are competing with for these guys just played in Super Regionals and the CWS and don?t really need them to turn next year around. Really sad!

Note: I don?t hate Lemonis as a person. Just what he has done to this program!

damn man I hate the way things have gone the last 2 seasons but we are a player away from arguably the best line-up in the SEC. We need Holman but I can handle losing him to LSU- we arent going to win that battle very often when they have a competent coach. Not getting Montgomery would be extremely disappointing

[Todd4State]

That's easy A STANFOED DEGREE !!!! one of the nations best.

Baseball players are much more focused on their baseball career than whatever kind of degree they could get.

Baseball players are more cerebral in general so it isn't really shocking to me to see a guy like a Montgomery and a Skenes go somewhere like Stanford and Air Force respectively and then when they hit their junior year and it becomes obvious that baseball is a viable career path go in that direction and attend somewhere like Mississippi State or LSU.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Baseball players are much more focused on their baseball career than whatever kind of degree they could get.

Baseball players are more cerebral in general so it isn't really shocking to me to see a guy like a Montgomery and a Skenes go somewhere like Stanford and Air Force respectively and then when they hit their junior year and it becomes obvious that baseball is a viable career path go in that direction and attend somewhere like Mississippi State or LSU.

What is probably biting the PAC 12 schools is suddenly becoming the SEC's minor league in baseball.

Without USC and USC, they are not in the league of power conferences anymore. They become fancy mid majors.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

damn man I hate the way things have gone the last 2 seasons but we are a player away from arguably the best line-up in the SEC. We need Holman but I can handle losing him to LSU- we arent going to win that battle very often when they have a competent coach. Not getting Montgomery would be extremely disappointing

Wait I thought pitching was all that mattered? Lol

In an interesting flip of the argument from earlier, I view the pitcher as the more important of 2, and you the hitter.

[Coach34]

Wait I thought pitching was all that mattered? Lol.

Pitching is absolutely more important. My post didnt say different. My post talked of the excitement of landing Montgomery who is much more likely to be at State than Holman. Landing top notch pitching is harder than landing position players- and going head up vs LSU makes it even harder. While I value the pitcher- I can handle losing a recruiting battle to LSU. They are country's top program in the last 30 years

[confucius say]

There's more to what he said than Stanford visiting/ meeting w him. Read that ever how you will.

If by "he" you mean me, yes you are absolutely right.

[bigbub50]

If we do get Montgomery, I hope MSU admissions office accepts those Stanford credit hours.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Wait I thought pitching was all that mattered? Lol

In an interesting flip of the argument from earlier, I view the pitcher as the more important of 2, and you the hitter.

Looks like we missed on all the pitchers if Holman does not join MSU

Molina, The Wichita Kids, the Notre Dame Kid, and Burns all missed.

Gonna need Parker magic, JCs to be good, and TJs to recover

[Coach34]

The Miami guy should compete for a weekend spot.

It will be beyond disappointing if we can’t get 2 good SP’s out of Loftin, Loo, and Holcombe. Last chance for the latter 2 as they will be gone with the draft next July

[bulldogcountry1]

Looks like we missed on all the pitchers if Holman does not join MSU

Molina, The Wichita Kids, the Notre Dame Kid, and Burns all missed.

Gonna need Parker magic, JCs to be good, and TJs to recover

Yeah, I think most fans wanted to see a lot of arms out of the transfer portal. Seems like the staff disagrees and is more focused on rolling the dice on a Friday night ace.

[Cowbell]

The Miami guy should compete for a weekend spot.

It will be beyond disappointing if we can?t get 2 good SP?s out of Loftin, Loo, and Holcombe. Last chance for the latter 2 as they will be gone with the draft next July

Even if These guys become starters, we ain't gonna have a deep enough pen to make a run, especially after a couple of injuries.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yeah, I think most fans wanted to see a lot of arms out of the transfer portal. Seems like the staff disagrees and is more focused on rolling the dice on a Friday night ace.

I mean we have a lot of arms with decent "stuff", they just need development. What we need are starters that can chew innings to get us to the arms we have that are successful in taking a step this offseason. We will not have 27 innings of pitching. But we may get say, 15 out of the guys we have. Need to bring in starters for the rest, a 1-2 inning a week reliever isn't going to cut it.

As for the coaches, I think they did everything they could to convince every decent starter to come here. It was a loosing battle vs guys we had no inside track with, especially coming off these past 2 seasons. It was a hopeless fight when we didn't even have our PC hired, which it why it matters Lemo took so long to land one.

Basically I don't think we were "rolling the dice on a Friday night Ace", I think we were down 6 pts at the end of the game and were taking hail marries because that's what our situation calls for.

[BigDawg81]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1683923211413512203

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The Miami guy should compete for a weekend spot.

It will be beyond disappointing if we can’t get 2 good SP’s out of Loftin, Loo, and Holcombe. Last chance for the latter 2 as they will be gone with the draft next July

Out of those 3, 2 had 8+ ERAS and the 3rd had command issues and never got to pitch vs SEC hitters. Could we get 2 making a huge jump? Sure. But it's more likely we get 1/3, with maybe another contributing but not for many innings. That's if we're lucky imo. That's what the overall history of the sport says.

Now, I'll actually be quite disappointed if the Miami guy can't perform as a Saturday level. ERA of 5 last year, but was hurt. Averaged over 5 innings a start vs ACC hitters who are decent. With Parker, I could see him going 5+ every Saturday with an ERA of 4.5. Basically, he SHOULD be able to replace Cade Smiths 5+ ERA and 5 innings a start.

[The Federalist Engineer]

The Miami guy should compete for a weekend spot.

It will be beyond disappointing if we can’t get 2 good SP’s out of Loftin, Loo, and Holcombe. Last chance for the latter 2 as they will be gone with the draft next July

The Miami kid should do alright. He will come with experience. He has pedigree of a big recruit. This is his year to shine, his upside could be tremendous.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1683923211413512203

If we don't get Montgomery OR Holman we may as well start up the coaching search now. Also, a lot of people with big promises in this thread will have to eat some crow. I don't have insider info and never claimed too, but many here acted like some big transfers were silent commits

[confucius say]

If we don't get Montgomery OR Holman we may as well start up the coaching search now. Also, a lot of people with big promises in this thread will have to eat some crow. I don't have insider info and never claimed too, but many here acted like some big transfers were silent commits

I've been saying Montgomery for months. And if that changes, I'll own it.

[Tater]

If we don't get Montgomery OR Holman we may as well start up the coaching search now. Also, a lot of people with big promises in this thread will have to eat some crow. I don't have insider info and never claimed too, but many here acted like some big transfers were silent commits

Kendall has LSU sources and doesn't have State sources. His posts all off season are indicative of that. He's only getting fed corndog info.

[Coach34]

I give no ****s what their ERA?s were last year as true Freshmen. They are all projected to be drafted fairly high. They have talent.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I give no ****s what their ERA?s were last year as true Freshmen. They are all projected to be drafted fairly high. They have talent.

Um... ok... you know you yourself have said the MLB wanted Loo as a SS, right? Loftin was a highly thought of draft prospect, fair enough. Where was Holcombe drafted in 22?

But regardless, it's not like every top 10 round draft prospect ends up making the MLB. Even top 3 round guys bust. And that's with years of development, not just 1 offseason with a real PC like our guys will have. It's possible, but unfair to the even expect that of 2/3 of them. Hope you're right though. You better be if Holman picks LSU

[Coach34]

Loftin was a highly thought of draft prospect, fair enough. Where was Holcombe drafted in 22?

A) Loo threw 28 innings his Sr year of HS. We are talking about a pitcher with top talent but not a ton of experience. He went from that to starting against SEC teams. He was put into a situation he wasnt prepared for. He should make a big jump.

B) Holcombe is a work in progress. Tons of talent just raw

C) Loftin is the one I expect to make the rotation for sure. He was a little wild but he is a pitcher and thinks he is the best player on the field when he takes the mound. Really excited about him next Spring and wont be surprised at all if he is our Friday guy.

D) Simmons will be almost 2 years post TJ in January. A large number of pitchers are better post TJ than before. If he is not in the rotation he will likely be the 1st guy out of the pen.

I hope we get Holman but not stressed if we dont. We have talent- it has to be coached and then perform. A good PC makes that happen

[AlSwearengen]

Hearing that we may be receiving bad news on Holman today. This is coming from a source that is probably down a good bit on the grapevine, but the top of our grapevine doesn?t seem to know what is happening unless it is bad news for MSU.

I?ve been holding out a sliver of hope and still do but I?m afraid we pissed away any momentum that we had in terms of being able to recruit. It?s hard enough to out recruit the big schools as it is.

[Saltydog]

Honestly I don't think that's a huge surprise. Seems like I read where Holman and Montgomery wanted to play together too, so there's that. . . . . .

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Hearing that we may be receiving bad news on Holman today. This is coming from a source that is probably down a good bit on the grapevine, but the top of our grapevine doesn?t seem to know what is happening unless it is bad news for MSU.

I?ve been holding out a sliver of hope and still do but I?m afraid we pissed away any momentum that we had in terms of being able to recruit. It?s hard enough to out recruit the big schools as it is.

Lot of promises way back in this thread from some very confident individuals. I remember spme names but theres no value in calling then out. Even of we do land Montgomery (and it's dragged on so long I doubt we do) it's clear he's entertaining other offers, and so the promises a month ago about him being on board were jumping the gun.

Let this be a lesson about "silent commits". People believe what they want. Recruits are nice to coaches faces, and some take that politenes evidence they love it here and will come. Fans are desperate for us to be good again and latch onto the lifeline of good transfer news.

If it sounds sketchy, it probably is. The whole idea that we had elite players "silently commited" and not even in the Portal yet was always a joke. It sounds like OM fans when they say McDonnell is going to replace Bianco as soon as OM calls. It sounds like that kid in 9th grade that totally had a GF, but she goes to another school and no you can't see a pic. No other schools have commits delay their announcement for very long... unless that player is still shopping for something better. Like a guy who wants a multi year long engagement.

[Coach34]

Anybody expecting to get Holman over LSU was kidding themselves. It could happen- but was always a very slim chance.

Losing Montgomery? No excuse there

[Cooterpoot]

I don't expect Holman (but have no facts)
I expect Montgomery
I expect we'll see a couple new pitcher names soon.
Holding out hope for Holman. We've thrown everything we've got at him. We've done all we can and that's a lot.
https://i.postimg.cc/FFM8cMLh/IMG-5075.jpg

[basedog]

I don't expect Holman (but have no facts)
I expect Montgomery
I expect we'll see a couple new pitcher names soon.
Holding out hope for Holman. We've thrown everything we've got at him. We've done all we can and that's a lot.
https://i.postimg.cc/FFM8cMLh/IMG-5075.jpg

We should not be in this situation. You said "we have done all we can and that's a lot", it's seems a little late after two pitiful season to think that way. If we recruit looking ahead especially with the momentum we had Iwe wouldn't be chasing now as hard.

It's not Msu Baseball that I grew to love.

[BigDawg81]

It is over with. Holman should announced for LSU today

[basedog]

It?s over with. Holman should announced for LSU today

I would have loved to have Holman, is he a difference maker, IFFY but maybe better than what we have now. We lose Montgomery and I expect all hell to break out.

Sad indeed.

[Cooterpoot]

We should not be in this situation. You said "we have done all we can and that's a lot", it's seems a little late after two pitiful season to think that way. If we recruit looking ahead especially with the momentum we had Iwe wouldn't be chasing now as hard.

It's not Msu Baseball that I grew to love.

I'm not talking about anything but recruiting a couple guys in the portal.

[Cooterpoot]

It is over with. Holman should announced for LSU today

Move along

[Coach34]

We should not be in this situation. You said "we have done all we can and that's a lot", it's seems a little late after two pitiful season to think that way. If we recruit looking ahead especially with the momentum we had Iwe wouldn't be chasing now as hard.

It's not Msu Baseball that I grew to love.

The national champs are in the same position- they had to pull portal pitching to remain good. It’s baseball 2023.

The MSU baseball you grew up with is dead. The entire SEC cares about baseball now. In 2020
And 2021- we were in the Top 20 in the country in recruiting and that’s good. But we were 8th in the SEC. That’s modern SEC baseball

[Cowbell]

The national champs are in the same position- they had to pull portal pitching to remain good. It?s baseball 2023.

The MSU baseball you grew up with is dead. The entire SEC cares about baseball now. In 2020
And 2021- we were in the Top 20 in the country in recruiting and that?s good. But we were 8th in the SEC. That?s modern SEC baseball

That is not the same position. Adding talent to maintain versus adding talent to increase are two totally different things.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

In 2020
And 2021- we were in the Top 20 in the country in recruiting and that’s good. But we were 8th in the SEC. That’s modern SEC baseball

And we finished 14th and 13th in the conference. That's modern Lemo baseball.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The national champs are in the same position- they had to pull portal pitching to remain good.

LSU has already pulled WAY more talent than us though, amd they started from a better position.

We lost our best starter (Smith), best reliever (Nixon), our best hitter per the overall stats (Ledbetter) our 3rd best hitter per overall stats (Clark)... and all we added in the Portal is an upgraded 3B, the 5+ERA Miami guy, and... uh... Hope Hujesak makes a massive jump, and hope Montgomery comes, and hope our 8+ ERA guys turn into studs this offseason, and hope every guy coming g back from TJ is ready to go? It's an epic failure so far. We probably have a few of these things break our way, a few break bad for us, but overall I don't see any evidence the team will be significantly improved

LSU went out to Tulane and got a better ace than our Miami guy, is now landing Holman, landed an Arizona OF with better stats than Montgomery, and got a very highly rated by scouts pitcher from UCLA coming back from TJ as a lottery ticket. Will they win the NC next year? Probably not. But they used the Portal to add 2 stud starters and a stud bat, we used it to get 1 ok starter and 1 ok bat.

[Coach34]

That is not the same position. Adding talent to maintain versus adding talent to increase are two totally different things.

They are working to bring in weekend starters just as we are- its exactly the same thing

[Coach34]

LSU has already pulled WAY more talent than us though, amd they started from a better position.

We lost our best starter (Smith), best reliever (Nixon), our best hitter per the overall stats (Ledbetter) our 3rd best hitter per overall stats (Clark)... and all we added in the Portal is an upgraded 3B, the 5+ERA Miami guy, and... uh... Hope Hujesak makes a massive jump, and hope Montgomery comes, and hope our 8+ ERA guys turn into studs this offseason, and hope every guy coming g back from TJ is ready to go? It's an epic failure so far. We probably have a few of these things break our way, a few break bad for us, but overall I don't see any evidence the team will be significantly improved

LSU went out to Tulane and got a better ace than our Miami guy, is now landing Holman, landed an Arizona OF with better stats than Montgomery, and got a very highly rated by scouts pitcher from UCLA coming back from TJ as a lottery ticket. Will they win the NC next year? Probably not. But they used the Portal to add 2 stud starters and a stud bat, we used it to get 1 ok starter and 1 ok bat.

They also lost alot more than we did. They lost CF, 1B, 2B, SS, DH and others.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

They also lost alot more than we did. They lost CF, 1B, 2B, SS, DH and others.

I'm not sure what your point is.

How does LSU loosing more than us make me feel better about our own failure to improve our team?

LSU could have gotten zero players from the Portal, it doesnt make our current '24 outlook any better. We're only using LSU as a Portal example to show that it is possible to have much better hauls than ours. We could talk about TN if you want to. Or Arky (they got a Friday stud we desperately need).

LSU will be better than us next year, partially because they have a good HC and we don't, partially because they have a much better Portal class

[Quaoarsking]

It was obvious that we made the wrong choice in bringing back Lemonis in May, and it's still obvious today. He's just not going to cut it at the level we aspire and deserve to be at.

[Mjoelner34]

It was obvious that we made the wrong choice in bringing back Lemonis in May, and it's still obvious today. He's just not going to cut it at the level we aspire and deserve to be at.

But hey, we saved $6 million. **

[confucius say]

Lot of promises way back in this thread from some very confident individuals. I remember spme names but theres no value in calling then out. Even of we do land Montgomery (and it's dragged on so long I doubt we do) it's clear he's entertaining other offers, and so the promises a month ago about him being on board were jumping the gun.

Let this be a lesson about "silent commits". People believe what they want. Recruits are nice to coaches faces, and some take that politenes evidence they love it here and will come. Fans are desperate for us to be good again and latch onto the lifeline of good transfer news.

If it sounds sketchy, it probably is. The whole idea that we had elite players "silently commited" and not even in the Portal yet was always a joke. It sounds like OM fans when they say McDonnell is going to replace Bianco as soon as OM calls. It sounds like that kid in 9th grade that totally had a GF, but she goes to another school and no you can't see a pic. No other schools have commits delay their announcement for very long... unless that player is still shopping for something better. Like a guy who wants a multi year long engagement.

Who made a promise about Holman? I've literally seen nobody say that

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

But hey, we saved $6 million. **

No that was his buyout in May. Next years it's like $3M. Plus Parker probably has a $500k+ buyout so in the end keeping Lemo probably saves $2.5M. Throwing away a baseball season and letting the program slide back more (which hurts recruiting) over $2.5m...

[PMDawg]

It was obvious that we made the wrong choice in bringing back Lemonis in May, and it's still obvious today. He's just not going to cut it at the level we aspire and deserve to be at.

Ding ding ding.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Who made a promise about Holman? I've literally seen nobody say that

People were cryptic and refused to say names. Whether that's because they A) didn't want to say names and piss off the player by leaking it, B) because they were talking out of their ass and wanted to stay vague, or C) because they wanted keep that info for some other reason, I can't say

But go back and read the comments. People said we had plural massive commits. That us naysayers would "eat crow when the news drops". That we were on "big arms" with an implication we'd land one. My honest recollection is that some of them were about Hollman, could be wrong on that though. No, I'm not going to find every instance, cite names, or bother to give exact quotes. Yes, some of those comments may have been discussing Burns or another guy we also didnt land. There's 50 pages of comments you can go through if you want to know details.

To be honest this whole thing has exhausted me. I'm watching State Baseball fall apart and have had to argue over the very basics of our situation with people who ignore my points and come up with convoluted arguments to pretend all is well. I'm over it. We will suck next year as everyone with a brain can see, lemo will get fired, the program will be in a bad spot, and the same people who are saying well be good next year will flip to saying they always knew we'd suck. And I'll be here to call them out. But today there's no point

[The Federalist Engineer]

We were only promised "silent commitments"

Holman is going to visually play for LSU but remain silently committed to Lemonis.

Lemonis is going to be nice guy that players call about to complain about their jerk Real Coach. Like Polk used to be with Ben McDonald. Friends with Polk but playing for Skip Bertman.

[99jc]

It was obvious that we made the wrong choice in bringing back Lemonis in May, and it's still obvious today. He's just not going to cut it at the level we aspire and deserve to be at.

you could not tell these hard headed 17ers that but it is too late for this next season.

[basedog]

The national champs are in the same position- they had to pull portal pitching to remain good. It’s baseball 2023.

The MSU baseball you grew up with is dead. The entire SEC cares about baseball now. In 2020
And 2021- we were in the Top 20 in the country in recruiting and that’s good. But we were 8th in the SEC. That’s modern SEC baseball

LOL, do you think for a moment Lsu will have two straight losing seasons, no way. As far as era I watched Msu baseball should have no bearing on what is going on in today's era. You win with leaders at the top, hell 34, Msu football now has a chance every year to be pretty dang good. The excuse starts with our HC and probably the last few years with our ex-AD.
No way of God's green earth did any Msu fan see us being last with two years straight with losing records.

Time will tell who is right. I've been wrong before as many, but what I saw and what I heard is unacceptable.

[Coach34]

LOL, do you think for a moment Lsu will have two straight losing seasons, no way.
No way of God's green earth did any Msu fan see us being last with two years straight with losing records.

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

[basedog]

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

I will say this about Lsu, they were the most improved team overall in the Sec from start to finish. Skenes was as good as any college pitcher ever.

[basedog]

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

P.S. We were very poorly coached fundamentally team last year. That in itself says a whole lot.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

P.S. We were very poorly coached fundamentally team last year. That in itself says a whole lot.

He'll counter by saying nothing but pitching matters. Seriously- that's the way they brush our mediocre offense and awful defense away. Whatever it takes to make Fox the scapegoat for everything

[Mjoelner34]

No that was his buyout in May. Next years it's like $3M. Plus Parker probably has a $500k+ buyout so in the end keeping Lemo probably saves $2.5M. Throwing away a baseball season and letting the program slide back more (which hurts recruiting) over $2.5m...

Oh, I know. That was just the main excuse used for not doing what needed to be done the day after the season ended.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

You keep saying "2 best SEC pitchers" like that's what we went through.

In 22 we lost outer best arm, but Preston Johnson was our 2nd best arm.

23 who'd we lose? Loftin and Gartman?

You're just making up narrative to fit what you want

[confucius say]

People were cryptic and refused to say names. Whether that's because they A) didn't want to say names and piss off the player by leaking it, B) because they were talking out of their ass and wanted to stay vague, or C) because they wanted keep that info for some other reason, I can't say

But go back and read the comments. People said we had plural massive commits. That us naysayers would "eat crow when the news drops". That we were on "big arms" with an implication we'd land one. My honest recollection is that some of them were about Hollman, could be wrong on that though. No, I'm not going to find every instance, cite names, or bother to give exact quotes. Yes, some of those comments may have been discussing Burns or another guy we also didnt land. There's 50 pages of comments you can go through if you want to know details.

To be honest this whole thing has exhausted me. I'm watching State Baseball fall apart and have had to argue over the very basics of our situation with people who ignore my points and come up with convoluted arguments to pretend all is well. I'm over it. We will suck next year as everyone with a brain can see, lemo will get fired, the program will be in a bad spot, and the same people who are saying well be good next year will flip to saying they always knew we'd suck. And I'll be here to call them out. But today there's no point

Ok. I just didn't see anybody talk about Holman that way. Montgomery? Yes. But that's it that I've seen.

But now that you're on record that we will suck next year, what do you mean by suck? Miss a regional? A three seed?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Ok. I just didn't see anybody talk about Holman that way. Montgomery? Yes. But that's it that I've seen.

But now that you're on record that we will suck next year, what do you mean by suck? Miss a regional? A three seed?

3 seed/barely a 2 seed. Parker will improve some arms, but the lineup won't be better and the staff will still be really bad overall. No starters to chew innings = bullpen gets weak really quick

I think one thing to keep in mind is that we will probably be WORSE in '25 than we will be in '24. So if Lemo can only get us to a 2 seed that fails to make a Super, then what's that say about '25?

[confucius say]

3 seed/barely a 2 seed. Parker will improve some arms, but the lineup won't be better and the staff will still be really bad overall. No starters to chew innings = bullpen gets weak really quick

I think one thing to keep in mind is that we will probably be WORSE in '25 than we will be in '24. So if Lemo can only get us to a 2 seed that fails to make a Super, then what's that say about '25?

Don't know. Too far away. But saying a 2 seed sucks is a little extreme.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Don't know. Too far away. But saying a 2 seed sucks is a little extreme.

There's a difference between being a 2 seed in the host conversation (ie 17th) vs being "barely a 2 seed" like I said (ie 32nd)

Realize we have top 10 baseball history, top 5 fanbase, probably have a top 10-12 roster per the past 3 recruiting classes, have a top 15 NIL, The best stadium, and a ton of recent success from 3 coaches before Lemo took over and even Lemo himself at the beginning. We CAN have success here and no, I won't call being the 32nd best team ok when that's a vast underperformance of where we should be.

If we aren't squarely in the 2 seed discussion (ie top 25ish resume) then why would we ever expect him to get us back to the national seed conversation? I'm not demanding the giy win Natty every other year like an LSU fan, I'm demanding he put a top 16-20 product on the field with the top 10 resources he has to work with.

[Cooterpoot]

https://i.postimg.cc/G20Ldk0R/IMG-5072.jpg

[BigDawg81]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1684714861568155649

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1684714861568155649

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1684714861568155649?t=mB56DKPdiMrwH1BRGtkrXg&s=19

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Lsu wins the Natty, gets top players in the portal to fill in for who leaves.

State wins the Natty, we get nobody but Yeager, finish last. But THEN what do we do?? Still bring in nobody on the mound, amd finish 13th. But after that, what do we do?? Get a Saturday/Sunday starter from Miami. That's it for the mound.

Lemo needs to go. "OH ThaTs unFaIr You can't COmparE us To TheM!!!!!!!!" OK. Fine. I'll compare us to a 13th placed team, us from last year.

We lose our best hitter in Led, our 3rd best hitter in Clark, our only decent starter in Cade, and out only reliever with a ERA under 4 in SEC games in Nixon. We've replaced Cade via the Miami guy. We also upgraded 3B, that's nice.

Does that sound like enough to catapult the 13th best team into the level of play we know State should play at? We will be better from giys getting older alone but Lemo ain't it Chief

[Cooterpoot]

Lemonis has struggled to sign P5 portal guys (and pitchers in general) Maybe Braden will be his big breakthrough. But we can end the "he's a great recruiter " talk. Lemonis should've been fired but we gonna drag this wagon til every damn wheel falls off.

[BigDawg81]

Apparently, Lemonis is still after other portal pitchers. I bet they have ERA north of 5.00

[Cooterpoot]

Apparently, Lemonis is still after other portal pitchers. I bet they have ERA north of 5.00

Over 6. He sat on his ass waiting on Holman and got nothing.

[bigbub50]

Montgomery is going to be a tougher pull now. I?m preparing myself for that disappointment as well.

I?m still not doom and gloom on this team next year though. If Parker brings some magic pitching dust, we could still finish in the middle of the sec pack and make a regional. Maybe it?s my maroon glasses, but I still think this team without Montgomery can make tourney.

[bigbub50]

This what every other team in talks with Montgomery will say ?you really want to play your last year of college baseball with a team that hasn?t made Hoover in the last two years.? That is going to be hard to over come.

[Cooterpoot]

Montgomery is going to be a tougher pull now. I?m preparing myself for that disappointment as well.

I?m still not doom and gloom on this team next year though. If Parker brings some magic pitching dust, we could still finish in the middle of the sec pack and make a regional. Maybe it?s my maroon glasses, but I still think this team without Montgomery can make tourney.

I can't see postseason play without Montgomery. Pretty much the entire staff has to make a huge jump, plus our lineup isn't incredible without him. He's a huge piece! We gonna have to score a boat load to win.

[bigbub50]

Can?t and won?t argue with that view. It?s not looking good.

[basedog]

I can't see postseason play without Montgomery. Pretty much the entire staff has to make a huge jump, plus our lineup isn't incredible without him. He's a huge piece! We gonna have to score a boat load to win.

Well, if what u say or think then whatever money was available for zHolman should go to Montgomery also.

What a disappointing closure for 2023. Why didn’t we sign pitchers at least in Juco this spring? I think not having pitcher coach on board right after season set us back. Think how long it took to get Parker.

I think we better focus on football now. 8 or 9 wins would be nice. Making noise in NCAA for men and women basketball would be awesome!

[Cooterpoot]

Well, if what u say or think then whatever money was available for zHolman should go to Montgomery also.

What a disappointing closure for 2023. Why didn’t we sign pitchers at least in Juco this spring? I think not having pitcher coach on board right after season set us back. Think how long it took to get Parker.

I think we better focus on football now. 8 or 9 wins would be nice. Making noise in NCAA for men and women basketball would be awesome!

We picked up a stud from Juco and another good arm.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We picked up a stud from Juco and another good arm.

Names? Not being a dick I'm just trying not to double count arms. Like is the "another good arm" the guy from Miami? He's a Cade Smith replacement

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well, if what u say or think then whatever money was available for zHolman should go to Montgomery also.

What a disappointing closure for 2023. Why didn?t we sign pitchers at least in Juco this spring? I think not having pitcher coach on board right after season set us back. Think how long it took to get Parker.

I think we better focus on football now. 8 or 9 wins would be nice. Making noise in NCAA for men and women basketball would be awesome!

I agree with the end. Spend the baseball NIL on another sport, or just bank it till next year to help the new coach.

Even of we landed Montgomery we don't have the arms. We need waaaay more innings of pitching than we have. Why spend money on Montgomery to go 12-18 when we could spend it helping a good coach and let baseball go 10-20? Either way we're looking for a new baseball coach

[Saltydog]

Oh well looks like the ship sailed on Holman. No surprise IMO. We should've fired the great recruiter in May but then we had to keep the recruiting class together right or so some would lead you to believe but no worries, Lemo has a plan.

[Coach34]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1684716816025751553

[State82]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1684716816025751553

Well hell, a little sliver of somewhat positive news.

[Really Clark?]

I would spend whatever it takes to get bullpen help. The big armed lefty from Louisville would be a good start.

[maroonmania]

I would spend whatever it takes to get bullpen help. The big armed lefty from Louisville would be a good start.

Well we should have plenty of NIL funds left to offer. Can't believe the Memphis 3B or the Miami pitcher required a big NIL payout.

[Really Clark?]

Well we should have plenty of NIL funds left to offer. Can't believe the Memphis 3B or the Miami pitcher required a big NIL payout.

We have more than enough money even adding Montgomery in the mix.

[Coach34]

You keep saying "2 best SEC pitchers" like that's what we went through.

In 22 we lost outer best arm, but Preston Johnson was our 2nd best arm.

We'll disagree there. Simmons had not allowed an earned run before he blew out in 2022.

[Coach34]

3 seed/barely a 2 seed. Parker will improve some arms, but the lineup won't be better and the staff will still be really bad overall. No starters to chew innings = bullpen gets weak really quick

I think one thing to keep in mind is that we will probably be WORSE in '25 than we will be in '24. So if Lemo can only get us to a 2 seed that fails to make a Super, then what's that say about '25?

With Montgomery- the line-up will easily be better in 2024.

Highfill 24 > Highfill 23
Hines 24 > Hines 23
Jordan 24 > Jordan 23
Mershon 24 > Merson 23
Larry 24 at worst equals Larry 23
Montgomery will at worst equal Clark and is likely a better defender
Hugesak will have more power than Led. Doubt he matches him in average or obp
Our Cali signee at DH could exceed Hancock 23....would not surprise if so

Line-up will easily be better with Monty

[BuckyIsAB****]

We will not be back until we torch the barn

[The Federalist Engineer]

Montgomery belongs at MSU, we even have an iconic building named for him.

https://cms.concept3d.com/map/lib/image-cache/i.php?mapId=233&image=233/MontgomeryHall1.jpg&w=900&h=508&r=1

[No BS Dawg]

All signs point to another disappointing season forthcoming. Sure, the guys we have will be better. Everyone else?s will too. Lemon has done and added NOTHING to suggest otherwise. Coming to terms with this now will make it somewhat easier to handle when it all comes to fruition and we start the rebuilding process with a new head coach in May 2024.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We'll disagree there. Simmons had not allowed an earned run before he blew out in 2022.

He threw 4.1 innings in the non con lol

[msstate7]

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1684716816025751553

Read the comments. Lsu fans seem to think he's going to them.

[99jc]

If we lose Montgomery, Lemondick needs to be fired! All this bullshit that we can't compete in recruiting needs to stop. Jans -Purcell-and Arnett seem to be doing ok. What is the common denominator for baseball? It's that fatass from Indiana. He has the recruiting personality of a wet dishrag. FIRE HIS ASS!

[smootness]

With Montgomery- the line-up will easily be better in 2024.

Highfill 24 > Highfill 23
Hines 24 > Hines 23
Jordan 24 > Jordan 23
Mershon 24 > Merson 23
Larry 24 at worst equals Larry 23
Montgomery will at worst equal Clark and is likely a better defender
Hugesak will have more power than Led. Doubt he matches him in average or obp
Our Cali signee at DH could exceed Hancock 23....would not surprise if so

Line-up will easily be better with Monty

I don't necessarily disagree with this entirely, I do think there's a pretty solid chance our lineup ends up being better next year...but you doubt Hujsak will be better than Ledbetter? Come on, man. Even in power, Ledbetter showed more per AB than Hujsak did last year. I actually appreciate that on this topic you're very optimistic, but it's still a case of picking a position and then figuring out how to argue it any way possible. It's not good that we haven't gotten much in the portal. Even if we do land Montgomery, it's been pretty rough otherwise, and if we don't then our portal results will arguably be fireable on their own.

I don't have an issue with trying to stay optimistic about next year's team, it doesn't hurt to have some of that around here, even if I don't share it. But there's no need to go overboard trying to argue it, because it is a real stretch. Maybe Simmons was our 2nd best pitcher, or would have been, in 21. But he threw fewer than 5 innings; it doesn't really matter that he had yet to allow an earned run. That can't be an actual argument.

We'll have to wait and see if guys make massive jumps next year and we're a good team. I personally really doubt that happens because it seems unlikely...because, again, they're going to have to be some massive jumps from our pitchers. If we do, that's amazing. And it is technically possible, there is talent. But it's not even close to being likely.

[raymonddawg]

My optimism comes from the unknown with Parker running the pitching staff. I think if he maximizes some of the talent we have we could make a tremendous jump next year. Coach34 isn't wrong in saying there is plenty of talent in the lineup, but if there is big success in 24 (regionals) then its going to be because of the pitching staff.

[Cooterpoot]

I'm growing tired of this false narrative that we have some great lineup. In SEC games, we were 9th in hitting, 13th in RBI, 9th in OBP. It was HR or bust for us. Montgomery would make us our lineup really good. Without him, it's just average.
Pitching needs a total overhaul. Just a couple guys making the jump won't get us far in post season. We need the whole bunch to improve. That's not likely, but neither is no improvement. I think pitching will be about middle of the pack. We have no ace, or we could go higher. JMO on pitching.
We've got a regional team. But we should've been a regional team this year. Some leaders need to step up.

[Coach34]

My optimism comes from the unknown with Parker running the pitching staff. I think if he maximizes some of the talent we have we could make a tremendous jump next year. Coach34 isn't wrong in saying there is plenty of talent in the lineup, but if there is big success in 24 (regionals) then its going to be because of the pitching staff.

We'll have 3-4 pitchers drafted next July. We damn well better be improved on the mound

[confucius say]

Lsu wins the Natty, gets top players in the portal to fill in for who leaves.

State wins the Natty, we get nobody but Yeager, finish last. But THEN what do we do?? Still bring in nobody on the mound, amd finish 13th. But after that, what do we do?? Get a Saturday/Sunday starter from Miami. That's it for the mound.

Lemo needs to go. "OH ThaTs unFaIr You can't COmparE us To TheM!!!!!!!!" OK. Fine. I'll compare us to a 13th placed team, us from last year.

We lose our best hitter in Led, our 3rd best hitter in Clark, our only decent starter in Cade, and out only reliever with a ERA under 4 in SEC games in Nixon. We've replaced Cade via the Miami guy. We also upgraded 3B, that's nice.

Does that sound like enough to catapult the 13th best team into the level of play we know State should play at? We will be better from giys getting older alone but Lemo ain't it Chief

It depends on what the young arms do. If they develop we will be fine. If they develop to their ceiling we will be a host. Either way, we will know soon.
But to say a 2 seed sucks is still extreme.

[CaptainObvious]

It depends on what the young arms do. If they develop we will be fine. If they develop to their ceiling we will be a host. Either way, we will know soon.
But to say a 2 seed sucks is still extreme.

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.

[sandjunky]

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.

Hell no but that is what would happen

[Cooterpoot]

Hell no but that is what would happen

I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.

[basedog]

I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.

Let's assume we make a regional, if so, there still shouldn't be any hurry for an extension if he is retained. Fact is if he isn't fired why would we be so dumb to extend?

[confucius say]

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.

What 13-17 sec team has ever been a 2 seed? Can you name two? Or even one? None of that is happening, the seeding or the extension, if we are 33-23 (13-17).

[bulldogcountry1]

I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.

If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.

[AlSwearengen]

If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.

i'd be a little nervous about extending after a good season next year. I need to see some sustained success. If he has a good year next, he should be able to have a little more success in the portal, so no excuses about losing players.

[CaptainObvious]

What 13-17 sec team has ever been a 2 seed? Can you name two? Or even one? None of that is happening, the seeding or the extension, if we are 33-23 (13-17).

State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.

[Quaoarsking]

State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.

2 seed in 05 after winning the SEC Tournament. 3 seed in 04 and 06

[bulldogcountry1]

i'd be a little nervous about extending after a good season next year. I need to see some sustained success. If he has a good year next, he should be able to have a little more success in the portal, so no excuses about losing players.

I would be too, but I think he?s either going to show significant improvement or he?s going to fall on his face. He certainly hasn?t done enough with the portal to give anyone any confidence.

[CaptainObvious]

2 seed in 05 after winning the SEC Tournament. 3 seed in 04 and 06

Dient State beat Ole Miss for the title in 05?

[confucius say]

State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.

That 13-17 team wasn't a 2 seed. I don't recall a 13-17 two seed. And certainly not a 33-23 (13-17) two seed.

But to your larger point, if we go 14-16 in sec play and have the nonconference resume to be a 2 seed, I won't label that as sucking. I think it would depend on postseason results to decide whether or not it was a successful season.

[confucius say]

Dient State beat Ole Miss for the title in 05?

Yessir. And Brett Cleveland had some choice words walking off the mound.
Jet Butler had a big hit

[State82]

If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.

Isn't he through the second year of a four year contract? He obviously got a substantial raise with four year contract after 2021. He tanked in 2022 and I assume he was not extended an extra year but I could be wrong. No extension this year. That means if he is not extended after 2024 he would enter 2025 with no contract beyond which never happens. The only way this scenario is incorrect is if he did in fact get the extra year tacked on after the 2022 collapse which would be hard to believe. Anybody know for sure?

[Tripp McNeely]

Yessir. And Brett Cleveland had some choice words walking off the mound.
Jet Butler had a big hit

One of my favorite moments in om/State history...hearing (and the camera clearly caught them) Cleveland's words as he struck out the side and headed back into the dugout!

[3dawgnight15]

Lemonis has spent a concerning amount of time out at SCC over the past year.

[confucius say]

Lemon is has spent a concerning amount of time out at SCC over the past year.

Haha

[Todd4State]

i'd be a little nervous about extending after a good season next year. I need to see some sustained success. If he has a good year next, he should be able to have a little more success in the portal, so no excuses about losing players.

If we make a Super Regional next year I think it's fairly safe to assume that the past two years were due to Foxhall.

[Todd4State]

Yessir. And Brett Cleveland had some choice words walking off the mound.
Jet Butler had a big hit

I think you mean Jeff Butts. Jet Butler wasn't on the team yet.

[confucius say]

I think you mean Jeff Butts. Jet Butler wasn't on the team yet.

Ahhhh yep that's right. Getting old

[BuckyIsAB****]

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.

If we are who we say we are 33-23 after 2 years of garbage aint good enough

[The Federalist Engineer]

It depends on what the young arms do. If they develop we will be fine. If they develop to their ceiling we will be a host. Either way, we will know soon.
But to say a 2 seed sucks is still extreme.

If the season started today and rosters locked, hard to think MSU would be better than 15 wins but I think better than 10 wins. Looks like Parker better be good or ... MSU has to hire Muscara as HC this coming summer.

Just in the SEC West
(1a) Arkansas - they have the two best starters Hagen Smith and Molina
(1b) LSU - Hurd looked fixed in Omaha and added another UCLA kid and now Holman
Then you have: Auburn, MSU, and Texas A&M as un-predictable
(Last) Alabama - lost many players, Draft and Transfers

MSU has 1st Round and Early round guys for 2024
OF- Jordan
RHP- Cjintje, pitch him RH on Saturday but LH in relief on Friday or Sunday. IQ 200 move
RHP- Ligon, the sneaky best transfer in the SEC.
1B- Hines, could be MSU's first 30 HR of my lifetime
RHP- Holcombe
RHP- Dohm

Also have quiet guys that are plain good
2B- Larry
3B- Koehler
DH- Hujsak
OF- Chance (hit 350!)

[CaptainObvious]

Let's assume we make a regional, if so, there still shouldn't be any hurry for an extension if he is retained. Fact is if he isn't fired why would we be so dumb to extend?

Because he would be in the last year of his contract if you don?t extend him. What decent recruits are going to sign in 24 to play for a lame duck coach in 25. If he doesn?t get fired in May of 2024 for mediocre to below average performance, we will have him signed for another 4 years. What would be his incentive to do any better in 25 sitting on the last year of his contract. No coach will do that. As 34 says, we have 1 shot to get rid of him only if he underperforms next year.

[Coach34]

Yep. He will be fired or extended next Summer

[Coach34]

If the season started today and rosters locked, hard to think MSU would be better than 15 wins but I think better than 10 wins. Looks like Parker better be good or ... MSU has to hire Muscara as HC this coming summer.

Just in the SEC West
(1a) Arkansas - they have the two best starters Hagen Smith and Molina
(1b) LSU - Hurd looked fixed in Omaha and added another UCLA kid and now Holman
Then you have: Auburn, MSU, and Texas A&M as un-predictable
(Last) Alabama - lost many players, Draft and Transfers

MSU has 1st Round and Early round guys for 2024
OF- Jordan
RHP- Cjintje, pitch him RH on Saturday but LH in relief on Friday or Sunday. IQ 200 move
RHP- Ligon, the sneaky best transfer in the SEC.
1B- Hines, could be MSU's first 30 HR of my lifetime
RHP- Holcombe
RHP- Dohm

Also have quiet guys that are plain good
2B- Larry
3B- Koehler
DH- Hujsak
OF- Chance (hit 350!)

Good post and outlook (altho I look for Hugesak to be in CF and I dont expect alot from Chance- yet he could surprise). We have a large number of guys being drafted next July. This boo-hoo'ing about how we gonna be so bad is puzzling. That #5 in the country recruiting class will be Soph's and should be very improved. We are looking at least 7 guys drafted next July. Teams like that usually end being pretty good

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Good post and outlook (altho I look for Hugesak to be in CF and I dont expect alot from Chance- yet he could surprise). We have a large number of guys being drafted next July. This boo-hoo'ing about how we gonna be so bad is puzzling. That #5 in the country recruiting class will be Soph's and should be very improved. We are looking at least 7 guys drafted next July. Teams like that usually end being pretty good

Lemo has taken top 15 classes and produced missing the tournament results, but you think top 5 classes will be the key to him getting us back?

For the millionth time, Hujesak didn't hit in his 2 years before state and he hit .227 his first year at State. Couldn't bump Hancocks weak bat from DH. The only evidence he'll be good next year is summer ball, which is fools gold more often than not and you know that.

Remember when Slade Alford dominated his summer leage? I do: .https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/article/colton-ledbetter-slate-alford-mississippi-state-baseball-nebl--191284460/amp/

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If the season started today and rosters locked, hard to think MSU would be better than 15 wins but I think better than 10 wins. Looks like Parker better be good or ... MSU has to hire Muscara as HC this coming summer.

Just in the SEC West
(1a) Arkansas - they have the two best starters Hagen Smith and Molina
(1b) LSU - Hurd looked fixed in Omaha and added another UCLA kid and now Holman
Then you have: Auburn, MSU, and Texas A&M as un-predictable
(Last) Alabama - lost many players, Draft and Transfers

MSU has 1st Round and Early round guys for 2024
OF- Jordan
RHP- Cjintje, pitch him RH on Saturday but LH in relief on Friday or Sunday. IQ 200 move
RHP- Ligon, the sneaky best transfer in the SEC.
1B- Hines, could be MSU's first 30 HR of my lifetime
RHP- Holcombe
RHP- Dohm

Also have quiet guys that are plain good
2B- Larry
3B- Koehler
DH- Hujsak
OF- Chance (hit 350!)

Pease enlighten me: how is Hujsak "plain good"?

[Coach34]

Lemo has taken top 15 classes and produced missing the tournament results, but you think top 5 classes will be the key to him getting us back?

For the millionth time, Hujesak didn't hit in his 2 years before state and he hit .227 his first year at State. Couldn't bump Hancocks weak bat from DH. The only evidence he'll be good next year is summer ball, which is fools gold more often than not and you know that.

Remember when Slade Alford dominated his summer leage? I do: .https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/article/colton-ledbetter-slate-alford-mississippi-state-baseball-nebl--191284460/amp/

A) We were 8th in SEC recruiting in 2020 and 2021- injuries hurt and terrible job by the PC made things worse.

B) last 2 classes have been top 10 and filled with highly rated guys


C) Hugesak is going to hit. Watch and see. He hit .290 with 32 X-base hits his Soph year. That's hitting. Not sure why you dont think it is. He didnt get consistent AB's in 2023. Of course he didnt hit. Look for him to take a big step this year.

D) according to the link- Ledbetter had a great summer and then a great Spring for us. So while you point to Alford- I'll point to Ledbetter.

E) After what we did to get Hancock back- 0% chance of us sitting him unless he totally bombed.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

A) We were 8th in SEC recruiting in 2020 and 2021- injuries hurt and terrible job by the PC made things worse.

B) last 2 classes have been top 10 and filled with highly rated guys


C) Hugesak is going to hit. Watch and see. He hit .290 with 32 X-base hits his Soph year. That's hitting. Not sure why you dont think it is. He didnt get consistent AB's in 2023. Of course he didnt hit. Look for him to take a big step this year.

D) according to the link- Ledbetter had a great summer and then a great Spring for us. So while you point to Alford- I'll point to Ledbetter.

E) After what we did to get Hancock back- 0% chance of us sitting him unless he totally bombed.

B) 8th in recruiting and he finished 14th and 13th.

C) .289 with 12 Homer's at VCU. That isn't SEC caliber hitting for the pitching he faced. Your reason for why he didn't hit this past season is, essentially, "Lemonis is too stupid to give him consistent ABs". Or is it that Lemo say Hujsak can't hit?

D) you're the one stating as a fact Hujsak will hit next year. Yes some guys who hit in summer ball hit in the season (Led) and some don't (Alford). I'm not saying Hujsak CAN'T pan out, I'm saying you're irrational for saying he WILL with this high degree of certainty since summer ball stats are so all over the place.

E) we benched Hancock at catcher, then benched him at 1B, and we dropped him in the lineup. But you think we wouldn't have DH a stud hitter over him? Come on. And again, like point C), your defense of Hujsak is essentially to throw Lemo under the bus with "Lemo doesn't play the best players". Maybe we actially do agree on baseball more than I thought lol

[KOdawg1]

Pease enlighten me: how is Hujsak "plain good"?

Bro, we've got to figure out what Hujsak ever did to you.

[Coach34]

I’m not basing Hugesak on summer stats- I’m basing it off me watching him at the plate. He is going to hit. And you conveniently left off his 20 doubles when mentioning his 12 HR’s. No it wasn’t SEC pitching but he was also just a Soph as well.

[confucius say]

He can run too. Very toolsy. And can't be worse in the outfield than Ledbetter. He just has to finally breakthrough with the hit tool.

[smootness]

This boo-hoo'ing about how we gonna be so bad is puzzling.

Because we were hot garbage this year. Our record was actually better than it should have been. That team was very bad. We?ve added some guys but nothing yet that is that impactful. So sure, we could have guys take a huge step forward, it happens in college baseball. We also might not. And we have to have a ton to go right to be good.

[Commercecomet24]

I’m not basing Hugesak on summer stats- I’m basing it off me watching him at the plate. He is going to hit. And you conveniently left off his 20 doubles when mentioning his 12 HR’s. No it wasn’t SEC pitching but he was also just a Soph as well.

I agree. I went and studied his swing when we acquired him last year and he has the tools to be a very good hitter(I?ve also watched video of his swing from the cape and talked to some scouts). Dude has a high ceiling. He has pop, he can run, and his bat speed is excellent, and he plays extremely hard with a great attitude. I?m predicting he has a great year(just like I did with Yeager). If he doesn?t I?ll own it but he?s got what it takes to make it happen.

[Coach34]

I agree. I went and studied his swing when we acquired him last year and he has the tools to be a very good hitter(I?ve also watched video of his swing from the cape and talked to some scouts). Dude has a high ceiling. He has pop, he can run, and his bat speed is excellent, and he plays extremely hard with a great attitude. I?m predicting he has a great year(just like I did with Yeager). If he doesn?t I?ll own it but he?s got what it takes to make it happen.

no doubt

[CaptainObvious]

Well based on the positive expectations here and the exuberance over the talent on hand, We will know Lemonis IS the problem if this team doesn?t do great things in 2024.

[Coach34]

E) we benched Hancock at catcher, then benched him at 1B, and we dropped him in the lineup. But you think we wouldn't have DH a stud hitter over him? Come on. And again, like point C), your defense of Hujsak is essentially to throw Lemo under the bus with "Lemo doesn't play the best players". Maybe we actially do agree on baseball more than I thought lol

Ok- why didnt replace Hancock with Chance? Chance hit .330 this past season.

Also- when did we bench Hancock at 1st? He played it damn near the entire season- including the last series of the season. We damn near lost Hines over that

[Coach34]

Well based on the positive expectations here and the exuberance over the talent on hand, We will know Lemonis IS the problem if this team doesn?t do great things in 2024.

Totally agree. Get Montgomery and we should be a good baseball team in 24. No excuses

[Commercecomet24]

Totally agree. Get Montgomery and we should be a good baseball team in 24. No excuses

Yep

[bulldogcountry1]

So what pitchers are actually still available in the portal? Are we even attempting to go after anyone else?

[Cooterpoot]

So what pitchers are actually still available in the portal? Are we even attempting to go after anyone else?

Purdue guy and Louisville guy maybe

[The Federalist Engineer]

So what pitchers are actually still available in the portal? Are we even attempting to go after anyone else?

I don't have answer - but I was hoping that the extended network of Parker recruits would come into play.

Like the Alabama State kid that played for team USA Collegiate.

https://bamastatesports.com/sports/baseball/roster/omar-melendez/7257

A dude from PR will have zero ties to Alabama State.

I think the Purdue guy seems ordinary.

The Louisville guy is interesting due to being a big recruit, but his numbers are full Canadian.

[BigDawg81]

Purdue guy and Louisville guy maybe Those 2 are for sure. The Purdue pitcher was good at the beginning of the season but faded towards the end. He might have been over pitched.

[KOdawg1]

Purdue pitcher had a 5.00 ERA, 66K, 30BB in 76 IP.

Meh

[bigbub50]

Can someone provide the Louisville pitchers name?

[State82]

Purdue pitcher had a 5.00 ERA, 66K, 30BB in 76 IP.

Meh
Compared to our staff that is Ohtani numbers.

[maroonmania]

Purdue pitcher had a 5.00 ERA, 66K, 30BB in 76 IP.

Meh

Holman was the only non-meh pitcher left in the portal and we didn't get him. I think the Purdue guy is probably the best of what's left. He had one really bad game and was just left to die on the mound. From what SR was saying if you take out that game the ERA drops to about 4. At this point we just need a competent pitcher or two that can eat up some innings for us next year.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Can someone provide the Louisville pitchers name?

Ben Wiegman

9.00 ERA in 2023 with 20 BB in 24 career innings.

Basically Louisville's Andrew Walling but one would not expect Lemonis to take a player from the first dude he will call when fired from MSU.

https://gocards.com/sports/baseball/roster/ben-wiegman/13552

[KOdawg1]

Holman was the only non-meh pitcher left in the portal and we didn't get him. I think the Purdue guy is probably the best of what's left. He had one really bad game and was just left to die on the mound. From what SR was saying if you take out that game the ERA drops to about 4. At this point we just need a competent pitcher or two that can eat up some innings foe us next year.

Between Stephen, Ligon, Loftin, Cijntje, Holcombe, and maybe Siary, we should have enough options. We lack that true Friday guy though unless one of those guys develops into one.

[confucius say]

Loftin 100 percent should be a Friday guy before he leaves. He was a second round pick out of high school. The question is should that be 2024 or 2025.

[KOdawg1]

Loftin 100 percent should be a Friday guy before he leaves. He was a second round pick out of high school. The question is should that be 2024 or 2025.

Loftin was basically unhittable.

Opponents only hit .146 against him. Struck out 43 in 26 innings.

Only probably was the walks. 28 BB in 26 IP.

Cut those in half, and he's our ace.

[Cooterpoot]

Holman was the only non-meh pitcher left in the portal and we didn't get him. I think the Purdue guy is probably the best of what's left. He had one really bad game and was just left to die on the mound. From what SR was saying if you take out that game the ERA drops to about 4. At this point we just need a competent pitcher or two that can eat up some innings foe us next year.

He lasted 2 innings against OM

[maroonmania]

He lasted 2 innings against OM

He should fit right in.***

[Coach34]

Loftin was basically unhittable.

Opponents only hit .146 against him. Struck out 43 in 26 innings.

Only probably was the walks. 28 BB in 26 IP.

Cut those in half, and he's our ace.

Yep. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t Mr Friday for us in 24

[CaptainObvious]

He lasted 2 innings against OM

Perfect! This is our guy!

[bigbub50]

Loftin was basically unhittable.

Opponents only hit .146 against him. Struck out 43 in 26 innings.

Only probably was the walks. 28 BB in 26 IP.

Cut those in half, and he's our ace.


I love your confidence in Mr. Loftin and I hope you?re right, but he did not face sec bats to my knowledge. Somebody help me, who was the best team Loftin faced? USM?

Also, didn?t he battle some type of injury mid season. Anybody know what his injury was and if he is okay now?

[bigbub50]

Another thought on Loftin and lo. If Loftin came in as the more polished pitching prospect and lo was seen as more of a position player talent that wanted to pitch, why did lemon trot lo out there on Friday nights and leave Loftin at midweek? Not trying to be a butt, just generally curious.

[CaptainObvious]

Another thought on Loftin and lo. If Loftin came in as the more polished pitching prospect and lo was seen as more of a position player talent that wanted to pitch, why did lemon trot lo out there on Friday nights and leave Loftin at midweek? Not trying to be a butt, just generally curious.

Here. I know! I know! ✋✋✋✋

Lemonis dint know his 🫏 from a hole in the top of a bucket! Or 🦊hall made ALL pitching decisions!

[KOdawg1]

I love your confidence in Mr. Loftin and I hope you?re right, but he did not face sec bats to my knowledge. Somebody help me, who was the best team Loftin faced? USM?

Also, didn?t he battle some type of injury mid season. Anybody know what his injury was and if he is okay now?
I never said I had confidence in Loftin. The walks are a concern and I never said he was going to solve it. Just said that if he could, he immediately becomes one of our best pitchers because the stuff is there.

[Cowbell]

What pisses me off is that every non-conference opponent we faced that was any good had a pitcher that would be as good as anyone on our staff. Why are we not going after those kids and getting them in the portal. How in the world do we not hustle and find those kids? I am convinced that Lemonis is lazy and it won't change until I see otherwise.

[Coach34]

What pisses me off is that every non-conference opponent we faced that was any good had a pitcher that would be as good as anyone on our staff. Why are we not going after those kids.

Oh really? Then how did we go 18-5 OOC this past season if those pitchers we faced were as good or better than ours?

[Todd4State]

What pisses me off is that every non-conference opponent we faced that was any good had a pitcher that would be as good as anyone on our staff. Why are we not going after those kids and getting them in the portal. How in the world do we not hustle and find those kids? I am convinced that Lemonis is lazy and it won't change until I see otherwise.

Then we would have fans complaining about not going after the big fish like we should because we're a blue blood.

[Todd4State]

Another thought on Loftin and lo. If Loftin came in as the more polished pitching prospect and lo was seen as more of a position player talent that wanted to pitch, why did lemon trot lo out there on Friday nights and leave Loftin at midweek? Not trying to be a butt, just generally curious.

Because Loo is a better pitching prospect than he is a hitting prospect. Both started out midweek until things started to happen. Loftin may have found himself there eventually but he got hurt so that ended that. Plus Loo was pitching better than Loftin early on. Loftin's last game was against Alabama April 7th and then he was done after that.

[Todd4State]

Yep. I?ll be surprised if he isn?t Mr Friday for us in 24

Or Saturday. They're kind of interchangeable in the SEC anyway.