Well, Football Season now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can?t watch baseball anymore.

[EdwardDrayton]

Always the best time of the year for State sports fans when we look forward to a new sports season. Hope abounds.

[parabrave]

Wait til Next Year!!!!

[EdwardDrayton]

Wait til Next Year!!!!

The Mantra of State Fans the world over!!

[parabrave]

The Mantra of State Fans the world over!!

Still got my shirt Coast Rat dog gave me in 1978. Also got the Lets win Something Today.

[CaptainObvious]

And then there is the War Cry

Pass the ammunition and Go To Hell Ole Miss!

We still their Daddy!!!

[Coursesuper]

And then there is the War Cry

Pass the ammunition and Go To Hell Ole Miss!

We still their Daddy!!!

There are times that I really dislike being from this state. The tallest dwarf, sharpest simpleton 50th or 49th etc etc etc. Last or second from the last is still shat and now TX and OU are coming in the league. We haven?t been shown the door yet but we do have our hat and coat. Until the this mentality changes things will not change for our school or it?s athletic programs.

[Offshore Dawg]

Hard for some of you to realize that as long as State is last or near last in funding the school's teams will finish near or at the bottom in standings and results.

[RockyDog]

Hard for some of you to realize that as long as State is last or near last in funding the school's teams will finish near or at the bottom in standings and results.
The only programs that are willing to spend on club ball are LSU, MSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Arkansas and A&M. MSU can easily be #2 behind LSU.

Vandy has some magical secret of success with absolutely no fan support. Put UT, Auburn, and Florida at or maybe a tier below them. They may be spending money but how long can that be sustained when you don?t even put 3k in the seats on a regular basis? The rest of the league is about the same in attendance and give a crap.

[Coursesuper]

The only programs that are willing to spend on club ball are LSU, MSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Arkansas and A&M. MSU can easily be #2 behind LSU.

Vandy has some magical secret of success with absolutely no fan support. Put UT, Auburn, and Florida at or maybe a tier below them. They may be spending money but how long can that be sustained when you don?t even put 3k in the seats on a regular basis? The rest of the league is about the same in attendance and give a crap.

This line of thinking is outdated, fan support has nothing to do with it in the NIL era. This is now pay for play period and the schools with $$$ have the advantage. For us this is an untenable situation.

[CaptainObvious]

This line of thinking is outdated, fan support has nothing to do with it in the NIL era. This is now pay for play period and the schools with $$$ have the advantage. For us this is an untenable situation.

Exactly. Other than the occasional decent season and basketball tourney or regional or a mid tier Bowl Game, State fans need to live with the fact that mediocrity will be the only attainable goal. If our newest benefactors had just earmarked 15 mil of their 100 mil donation to athletics we would at least be in the game with the mid tier SEC programs. Am I glad that the University got the $100 mil donation? Absolutely.

[msu15]

With the way we are recruiting so far under the new staff we better enjoy this season while we have all these super seniors, because with Texas and Oklahoma coming in, 6 wins a year will be a scrap if we don't pick it up.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This line of thinking is outdated, fan support has nothing to do with it in the NIL era. This is now pay for play period and the schools with $$$ have the advantage. For us this is an untenable situation.

Exactly. A seasoned professional on the end of his career may take less money for a better shot at a ring, but this is college; these are kids who have never had money and have no guarantee they will EVER get a big contract. So they make business decisions and I can't blame them one bit. We either pony up, abandon non baseball sports to concentrate what we have, or watch every desired portal guy get taken by someone with deeper pockets. HS recruiting for baseball doesn't seem NIL dependent yet, and the Portal still has good guys the money schools don't catch (Ledbetter). But the sure fire guys like Skenes or Tommy Tanks? We won't get them without $$$

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

With the way we are recruiting so far under the new staff we better enjoy this season while we have all these super seniors, because with Texas and Oklahoma coming in, 6 wins a year will be a scrap if we don't pick it up.

Interesting you say that because I'd say recruiting is the ONLY thing Lemo is good at. Mershon, Jurrangelo, a stud portal guy or 2 a year etc. It's coaching defense, team culture, and pitching coaching/management that suck

[Lord McBuckethead]

Exactly. We give 1 million, aTm gives 10. Every single 3 star player in the country is looking for big money to come to every school. I know, because my nephew is one of them right now. First question before the depth chart is NIL money. And that is the same for every single player that is good enough to make a difference.

No reason to even give money when our billionaires refuse to pony up. We just got 100 million. 20 of that should have been for football only. 20 more million for basketball. 20 million for baseball. We could have invested all of that and used the return to fund our ongoing NIL deals for every position on every team.

[Coach34]

We should be an 8-9 win team in football. New HC. Getting rid of a boring offense. Lots of reasons to be excited about the Fall.

[Activated Alpha]

Exactly. We give 1 million, aTm gives 10. Every single 3 star player in the country is looking for big money to come to every school. I know, because my nephew is one of them right now. First question before the depth chart is NIL money. And that is the same for every single player that is good enough to make a difference.

No reason to even give money when our billionaires refuse to pony up. We just got 100 million. 20 of that should have been for football only. 20 more million for basketball. 20 million for baseball. We could have invested all of that and used the return to fund our ongoing NIL deals for every position on every team.

Was that money only for academics? I mean, I can't tell someone what to do with their money, but I can definitely tell them that they are dumbasses for what they do with it. Did they not earmark any of that donation to sports at all?

[RockyDog]

This line of thinking is outdated, fan support has nothing to do with it in the NIL era. This is now pay for play period and the schools with $$$ have the advantage. For us this is an untenable situation.

I was talking strictly baseball. Crowd size does matter. Unless Florida, UT, or Auburn win natties consistently, their donors arent going to continue to pour crazy $$ into those programs when they cant draw 3k per game.

[Coursesuper]

I was talking strictly baseball. Crowd size does matter. Unless Florida, UT, or Auburn win natties consistently, their donors arent going to continue to pour crazy $$ into those programs when they cant draw 3k per game.

It is just kinda pathetic that we as an alumni and fan base don?t get it. Why things are the way they are and our situation is an untenable one because if the situation doesn?t change.

[jcpeewee]

Was that money only for academics? I mean, I can't tell someone what to do with their money, but I can definitely tell them that they are dumbasses for what they do with it. Did they not earmark any of that donation to sports at all?

From what I understood it’s for scholarships only.

[yjnkdawg]

Exactly. We give 1 million, aTm gives 10. Every single 3 star player in the country is looking for big money to come to every school. I know, because my nephew is one of them right now. First question before the depth chart is NIL money. And that is the same for every single player that is good enough to make a difference.

No reason to even give money when our billionaires refuse to pony up. We just got 100 million. 20 of that should have been for football only. 20 more million for basketball. 20 million for baseball. We could have invested all of that and used the return to fund our ongoing NIL deals for every position on every team.


The should of beens' don't work. Have you considered that if a donor gives $100 million to MSU that the donor can designate where the money goes. Now it would have been nice if the money was allocated the way you said, but it's the donor's prerogative on where and how they want their donation to be used, and NIL was not on the table.

[yjnkdawg]

Was that money only for academics? I mean, I can't tell someone what to do with their money, but I can definitely tell them that they are dumbasses for what they do with it. Did they not earmark any of that donation to sports at all?


None of the money was earmarked for Athletics, but to call somebody a dumb ass for donating $100 million to MSU for academics. and its their prerogative for the money to be spent the way they want it to be used and they didn't want it spent on NIL apparently, then you may want to reconsider calling somebody a dumb ass in that situation

[Turfdawg67]

Can?t watch baseball anymore.

Just now? You're a bigger diehard than I am.

[Coach34]

None of the money was earmarked for Athletics, but to call somebody a dumb ass for donating $100 million to MSU for academics. and its their prerogative for the money to be spent the way they want it to be used and they didn't want it spent on NIL apparently, then you may want to reconsider calling somebody a dumb ass in that situation

Meh- how about considering what’s best for the school? Because not supporting athletics hurts the school. Study after study has shown that successful athletic programs bolster schools. Plenty of HS students don’t even consider schools that suck I. Sports.

[SPMT]

Meh- how about considering what’s best for the school? Because not supporting athletics hurts the school. Study after study has shown that successful athletic programs bolster schools. Plenty of HS students don’t even consider schools that suck I. Sports.

Yeah. SEC schools especially neee athletics to bolster academics. Sorry nerds, but Bama isn?t growing as fast without the dynasty.

[RiverCityDawg]

Just now? You're a bigger diehard than I am.

I checked out when Dohm came out of the game holding his elbow. Any slim chance we had to sneak back into the postseason was eliminated at that point, so no need in being emotionally invested.

[parabrave]

Yeah. SEC schools especially neee athletics to bolster academics. Sorry nerds, but Bama isn?t growing as fast without the dynasty.

In the 80's the U had a tremendous growth in new facilities. It was due to 2 things": The Football team and a little white powdery substance.

[Offshore Dawg]

The MSU alum way of thinking " I'm not giving I need A new truck someone else can give to this NIL thang ".

[Activated Alpha]

None of the money was earmarked for Athletics, but to call somebody a dumb ass for donating $100 million to MSU for academics. and its their prerogative for the money to be spent the way they want it to be used and they didn't want it spent on NIL apparently, then you may want to reconsider calling somebody a dumb ass in that situation

Am I thankful for his donation? Yes. Do I think he is a dumbass for not earmarking a portion of a very large donation towards athletics? Yes. If this was 40 years ago, it wouldn't matter. But money drives athletics today and we are in very short supply of it

[Offshore Dawg]

Was that money only for academics? I mean, I can't tell someone what to do with their money, but I can definitely tell them that they are dumbasses for what they do with it. Did they not earmark any of that donation to sports at all?

I can't see where someone donating 100 million out of billions in earnings should be called a dumbass. So how much did your cheap ass donate to NIL. ??

[SilentSteel16]

The MSU alum way of thinking " I'm not giving I need A new truck someone else can give to this NIL thang ".

Where here is the thing most of you are missing….. most NIL collectives are not listed as NFP. Most NIL deals are done through businesses which are for marketing and profit. Therefore it is not tax deductible. This donor that donated to the school specifically is able to use the entire amount as a tax deduction. Makes a huge difference. Donate to a school and get a huge tax deduction or donate to something that is not a deduction….. tough choice on 100 million dollars ….

[Offshore Dawg]

Where here is the thing most of you are missing….. most NIL collectives are not listed as NFP. Most NIL deals are done through businesses which are for marketing and profit. Therefore it is not tax deductible. This donor that donated to the school specifically is able to use the entire amount as a tax deduction. Makes a huge difference. Donate to a school and get a huge tax deduction or donate to something that is not a deduction….. tough choice on 100 million dollars ….

I did not miss a thing. The none Billionaire Dawgs have to spend their money on life necessities.

[SilentSteel16]

I did not miss a thing. The none Billionaire Dawgs have to spend their money on life necessities.

Which is exactly my point…. Not being tax deductible is an issue that most fans run into.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Which is exactly my point…. Not being tax deductible is an issue that most fans run into.

There's way around that.

1) set up a non profit charity.

2) take NIL donations earmarked for "marketing"

3) pay players and have them cut a short easy add.

4) any donations you get from said add you spend on charity work.

The NIL donations are tax deductible. If the Govt comes checking all they can really say is that ots an extremely inefficient charity with way too big of a marketing budget.

[schddog72]

Exactly. We give 1 million, aTm gives 10. Every single 3 star player in the country is looking for big money to come to every school. I know, because my nephew is one of them right now. First question before the depth chart is NIL money. And that is the same for every single player that is good enough to make a difference.

No reason to even give money when our billionaires refuse to pony up. We just got 100 million. 20 of that should have been for football only. 20 more million for basketball. 20 million for baseball. We could have invested all of that and used the return to fund our ongoing NIL deals for every position on every team.

Sorry, that money was earmarked for academics.