Spring game on TV?

[Tough Dawg]

Anyone know?

[msstate7]

Don't think so. SECN+

ETA... guess that could be considered "TV" haha

[ZedFedder]

In this day and age, I suppose so!

[R2Dawg]

Not on regular TV but if you have a cable or TV service you can typically watch SECN+ on ESPN watch. We are on it.

https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming

[99jc]

or here https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/5cc44449-f1c7-458b-94b4-651796f0c369

[Dawgface]

To my surprise its on ESPN+. That's all I'm subscribed to this time of the year sports wise.

[BuckyIsAB****]

KB is gonna have to quit. We have been 11 personnel every snap

[BuckyIsAB****]

And I will go on record agreeing with Hugh Buck on one thing, we need to start playing actual games. The kids want to the fans want it you could make money off it or give it to charity. Its past time

[StarkVegasSteve]

Our field looks like crap

[662dawg]

KB is gonna have to quit. We have been 11 personnel every snap

If Robinson doesn't trip Will hits him in stride on that deep pass. Tough throw to Walley but should have been caught.

[PikeDawg15]

Creed whittemore will be starting by mid October.

[Really Clark?]

KB is gonna have to quit. We have been 11 personnel every snap

Yep

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's so hard to judge because it's against the 2 defense, but have been impressed with Jake Weir on this drive. They're not putting a lot on him but he looks better than Wright so far.

[Coursesuper]

Our field looks like crap
Mother Nature and shade will always win.

[viverlibre]

On SEC + (alternate) and ESPN + (subscription).

[BuckyIsAB****]

This has been hard to watch. Play a game

[StarkVegasSteve]

This has been hard to watch. Play a game

Yea I wish the NCAA would go ahead and take the baseball approach in fall ball and let you play someone else in the spring. It's just not interesting at all to watch us play against ourselves.

[viverlibre]

I like the unpredictability of the offense.

[KOdawg1]

I see the potential in the offense, but holy crap, we suck at executing it. Sloppy

[HoopsDawg]

So I get it's a spring game but offense looks offensive. Painful to watch

[StarkVegasSteve]

Snaps and RBs hanging on to the ball have been a problem with the second teamers. Probably safe to say that the Penn St RB who's visiting today will play a bunch if he comes on board.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So I get it's a spring game but offense looks offensive. Painful to watch

Yep. Don't really look like we know what we're doing. Concepts look to be there but everyone looks timid outside of that 1st drive.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm concerned about a 60% running offense with a QB who isn't a threat to run.

[msu15]

This is brutal.

[BuckyIsAB****]

OL has been the best part of the offense.

We have not changed one single bit from App St. I would love to see a lot more tempo

[Dawgface]

Well.....safe to say they have a lot to work on before the first game.

[Cowbell]

I'm concerned about a 60% running offense with a QB who isn't a threat to run.

Better than a passing offense where nobody even has to accounts for a QB ever running

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm concerned about a 60% running offense with a QB who isn't a threat to run.

That's been one of my concerns as well. Will is going to have to tuck it and be able to run a couple of times just so teams can't stack the box on us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll say this though. Giving the ball to Tulu on jet sweeps is basically an auto 1st down. He's just so damn fast.

[Really Clark?]

Nice roll and throw by Will

[HoopsDawg]

These announcers are really good

[HoopsDawg]

I'll say this though. Giving the ball to Tulu on jet sweeps is basically an auto 1st down. He's just so damn fast.

Love him in the slot.

[Really Clark?]

Like the creativity on a lot of these plays.

[Cowbell]

These announcers are really good

Much better than what we normally get with spring games

[BuckyIsAB****]

That's been one of my concerns as well. Will is going to have to tuck it and be able to run a couple of times just so teams can't stack the box on us.

We wont see less than a 6 man box all year long. You can bet on that. We are going to have to win outside

[Cowbell]

I know historically Will has been pretty accurate, but I am quickly losing confidence in him based on his last few games and what I am seeing here.

[KOdawg1]

Basically, if we give the ball to Marks, Tulu, or Zavion 90% of the time, we'll be fine

[Cowbell]

I know historically Will has been pretty accurate, but I am quickly losing confidence in him based on his last few games and what I am seeing here.

Ok that throw builds back some confidence

[Cowbell]

Basically, if we give the ball to Marks, Tulu, or Zavion 90%, we'll be fine

Don't leave out Simeon Price. He will be our rushing leader

[KOdawg1]

Don't leave out Simeon Price. He will be our rushing leader

Is Woody gonna transfer? Price will have a role, but Woody is RB1

[Tater]

Well. The two TD plays were the things we've been begging for.

[BrunswickDawg]

Ok that throw builds back some confidence

I've heard repeatedly that will can't make a downfield throw like that. Must have been someone else wearing #2

[BuckyIsAB****]

I've heard repeatedly that will can't make a downfield throw like that. Must have been someone else wearing #2

Watch out now

[BuckyIsAB****]

Roberson needs to be good.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Just beat ole miss and I will sleep at night

[662dawg]

A spring game looking like a spring game. Color me shocked 😁

If Will can hit that down field pass consistently this offense is going to be really hard to defend, especially once Marks, Price & Roberson get on the field.

If Robinson hadn't slipped on that first deep pass, it would have likely been a TD too.

[Cowbell]

Is Woody gonna transfer? Price will have a role, but Woody is RB1

Woody will stay injured too much. Mark my words

[Jarius]

Really like the scheme. We are sloppy but you can see how this offense puts pressure on a the D. Lots of work to do but we will get less sloppy with reps.

[KOdawg1]

It's still very early, but Rogers's footwork and deep ball have looked much improved.

He's still going to hurt us with his lack of mobility, but if he can hit a few of these throws each game, it'll open everything else up.

[Cowbell]

I feel like we have added some real speed on defense. We look deeper and quicker outside the safety position.

[Cowbell]

Page is a grown man

[KOdawg1]

Woody will stay injured too much. Mark my words

I think the change of scheme helps him stay healthier even though he'll have more carries. Mike Leach's air raid was brutal for RBs.

[Tater]

If Will Rogers can throw the ball that accurately and with that much zip that far down the field with consistency then we're in business. He's looking like he ate his wheaties.

[MrCoachKlein]

Can't believe they didn't throw a flag beating up the wr after the play like that***

[MrCoachKlein]

What are all these 4 wide sets and deep shots? I was told we were running the veer.

[CaptainObvious]

Old Defensive Scheme is way ahead of the New Offensive Scheme!

[Cowbell]

I think the change of scheme helps him stay healthier even though he'll have more carries. Mike Leach's air raid was brutal for RBs.

I don't disagree there but I honestly think Price is the better back. He is harder to bring down than Marks.

[Cowbell]

What are all these 4 wide sets and deep shots? I was told we were running the veer.

Can't show too much***

[BuckyIsAB****]

Deep balls look a lot better when there?s not 3 deep safeties and only 5 in the box.

[MrCoachKlein]

Old Defensive Scheme is way ahead of the New Offensive Scheme!

They should be. It's been the same system for over 3 years and they have more talent. O scheme looks good to me. Execution not so much.

[662dawg]

Can't show too much***

Arnett did just say they were obviously keeping some things off film offensively. I really really like where this is headed. And I agree with you on Price, I also think he's going to be our best back. Pittman is going to be a really good 3rd back for us too.

[Cowbell]

Chris Parsons looks like the next guy. He reminds me of dak in the way he is built and how he carries himself

[KOdawg1]

Chris Parsons looks like the next guy. He reminds me of dak in the way he is building and how he carries himself

Yeah, he's got it

[Cowbell]

Arnett did just say they were obviously keeping some things off film offensively. I really really like where this is headed. And I agree with you on Price, I also think he's going to be our best back. Pittman is going to be a really good 3rd back for us too.

Price reminds me so much of Josh Robinson with that bowling ball frame.

[662dawg]

Deep balls look a lot better when there?s not 3 deep safeties and only 5 in the box.

Will's footwork looks a ton better this spring. I must admit I believe he's going to be even better in this offense. His stats may not be better, but an overall better QB. He's looking really good throwing it down field.

[662dawg]

Will is looking much more light on his feet than previously. Has he been doing ballerina? Lol

[viverlibre]

Will's footwork looks a ton better this spring. I must admit I believe he's going to be even better in this offense. His stats may not be better, but an overall better QB. He's looking really good throwing it down field.

I feel a ton better about Will. I think he's going to do great.

[Cowbell]

I like the offense so far. Even Harmon looks good at TE.

[662dawg]

I feel a ton better about Will. I think he's going to do great.

Yes. I'm not gonna lie, his running ability today has shocked me. His feet look 10x better than ever before

[BuckyIsAB****]

Considering Missing half the team didnt look too bad. We are going to be really stout again on defense

[662dawg]

Considering Missing half the team didnt look too bad. We are going to be really stout again on defense

Looks like we're going to be much deeper on defense. We will definitely be better on offense. If Arnett is up to this head coaching thing, then we may have a pretty good football team next year 😁

[Cowbell]

Considering Missing half the team didnt look too bad. We are going to be really stout again on defense

Maybe the fastest defense we have had in some time

[R2Dawg]

I really like what we saw from Pittman and Davis at RB. They are gonna be good ones.

I don't know all the names and numbers but John Lewis was everywhere. We looked fast on D at all levels.

The O was either vanilla or trick plays.

CZA gonna do big things.

Oh and passing of the harness, yeah we got the best mascot tradition and dogs representing MSU.

[RisperDawg]

Didn't get to watch it and didn't see it in the comments. Did we get to see anything of Mike Wright?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Didn't get to watch it and didn't see it in the comments. Did we get to see anything of Mike Wright?

We saw enough to know that there's no way he's challenging Will.

[viverlibre]

Didn't get to watch it and didn't see it in the comments. Did we get to see anything of Mike Wright?

He didn't look good throwing, but with the quick whistle on QBs, we couldn't get a good feel for his running ability. I think they will have some packages for him, but Will looked very good.

[RisperDawg]

We saw enough to know that there's no way he's challenging Will.

I didn't expect him too. Ha. As an optimist, at least in terms of State, i love Will and hope to see him grow. I was glad to see the comments about some deep throw Will made. I hope this offense takes some pressure off him, like others have speculated, and really lets him thrive.

I was just curious if there's anything to utilize Wright's wheels.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I didn't expect him too. Ha. As an optimist, at least in terms of State, i love Will and hope to see him grow. I was glad to see the comments about some deep throw Will made. I hope this offense takes some pressure off him, like others have speculated, and really lets him thrive.

I was just curious if there's anything to utilize Wright's wheels.

We'll obviously have packages for him. It would just help if he possessed any ability whatsoever to scare teams with his arm.

[Duckdog]

So are we feeling wooly?

[Commercecomet24]

Considering Missing half the team didnt look too bad. We are going to be really stout again on defense

Will was extremely impressive on the deep balls! Right on the money and he scrambled well too. This offense has potential to be really good.

[R2Dawg]

We saw enough to know that there's no way he's challenging Will.

The kid from Tupelo was the second best QB on the field today.

[662dawg]

So are we feeling wooly?

Yes. So much so that KB21 has forgotten the air raid even exists.

[Tater]

Rewatching and had to smirk at the fact that we led the FBS in Red Zone TD% last year.

But the air raid sucked down inside the 20 according to some.

[Jarius]

Rewatching and had to smirk at the fact that we led the FBS in Red Zone TD% last year.

But the air raid sucked down inside the 20 according to some.

The problem was we were about 70th in actually getting to the redzone.

[Really Clark?]

Rewatching and had to smirk at the fact that we led the FBS in Red Zone TD% last year.

But the air raid sucked down inside the 20 according to some.

Red Zone % is irrelevant when you are 77th in actual attempts (45). Auburn (42 attempts) and TAM (38 attempts) had nearly the same Red Zone % as us, TAM actually was better . Their offenses sucked too. That is a stat that you have to look at actual the number of attempts. Does no good to be efficient in the RZ if you can't get there enough.

[Tater]

Red Zone % is irrelevant when you are 77th in actual attempts (45). Auburn (42 attempts) and TAM (38 attempts) had nearly the same Red Zone % as us, TAM actually was better . Their offenses sucked too. That is a stat that you have to look at actual the number of attempts. Does no good to be efficient in the RZ if you can't get there enough.

We played in the SEC West. And had georgia. It's to be expected our volume of attempts would be down anyways. But that's not the point I'm making. I'm taking a shot specifically at those who cried that we sucked INSIDE the red zone.

[Really Clark?]

The problem was we were about 70th in actually getting to the redzone.

76th truthfully

[StarkVegasSteve]

The kid from Tupelo was the second best QB on the field today.

He was. I think Parson is better, but he's obviously not 100% and hey Weir had his opportunity and took it today. Props to him for that.

[Really Clark?]

We played in the SEC West. And had georgia. It's to be expected our volume of attempts would be down anyways. But that's not the point I'm making. I'm taking a shot specifically at those who cried that we sucked INSIDE the red zone.

That's irrelevant too because we always play in the SEC west and Georgia game didn't really hurt the numbers. We were 18th in attempts last season. We actually scored more times last year than we had attempts this year in the RZ but we're 59th in RZ% last season. Its a stat that is nice if you are also in the top 30 of actually getting into the red zone. Otherwise a high percentage rate on a few attempts doesn't move the needle

[BlackSailsDawg]

Have not had a chance to watch. Looking forward to see what we have though

[Todd4State]

Red Zone % is irrelevant when you are 77th in actual attempts (45). Auburn (42 attempts) and TAM (38 attempts) had nearly the same Red Zone % as us, TAM actually was better . Their offenses sucked too. That is a stat that you have to look at actual the number of attempts. Does no good to be efficient in the RZ if you can't get there enough.

Typical MSU fan conversation.

"We were good in the red zone last year".

"Yeah well we didn't get there enough so it didn't matter."

I mean would you have preferred that we were bad in the red zone?

Long TD plays can also skew attempts too but anyway weird criticism by MSU fans.

[Todd4State]

Have not had a chance to watch. Looking forward to see what we have though

Spoiler alert- Will's team threw the ball 28 times and ran it 23 times with 7 of those rushes being runs by Will.

That's the most positive thing about today to me.

[TheLostDawg]

Will was extremely impressive on the deep balls! Right on the money and he scrambled well too. This offense has potential to be really good.

I'm sure throwing it so much in the past, not throwing as frequently now/ fresher arm helps

[Todd4State]

I'm sure throwing it so much in the past, not throwing as frequently now/ fresher arm helps

Will's issue in the past was often times deciding to throw it deep or not.

He has always been accurate at throwing deep. But he has to pull the trigger when that happens.

[Really Clark?]

Typical MSU fan conversation.

"We were good in the red zone last year".

"Yeah well we didn't get there enough so it didn't matter."

I mean would you have preferred that we were bad in the red zone?

Long TD plays can also skew attempts too but anyway weird criticism by MSU fans.

And when it's the truth you try to deflect to some old and tired "typical MSU fan criticism" when you know the stats don't lie. But to answer your question, what you want is to be good in the RZ when you are actually in the red one a lot. A team who makes a lot of FG inside the red zone can also skew the percentage. We sure didn't do that.

Do you honestly think our RZ attempts were skewed by scoring a lot from outside of the RZ? We were 83rd nationally on all scrimmage plays over 20+ yards. We didn't skew anything from scoring a lot outside of the red zone because we didn't score. Get real man.

[Tater]

And when it's the truth you try to deflect to some old and tired "typical MSU fan criticism" when you know the stats don't lie. But to answer your question, what you want is to be good in the RZ when you are actually in the red one a lot. A team who makes a lot of FG inside the red zone can also skew the percentage. We sure didn't do that.

Do you honestly think our RZ attempts were skewed by scoring a lot from outside of the RZ? We were 83rd nationally on all scrimmage plays over 20+ yards. We didn't skew anything from scoring a lot outside of the red zone because we didn't score. Get real man.

I'm not here to argue if the air raid was good or not. I made a point targeted at those who said the air raid sucked inside the red zone. It showed that it did not.

You're being really weird on one of the best days to be a Mississippi State bulldog by coming in here and "well ackshuallly" ing a positive stat by trying to tear it down.

Look in the mirror and question why that is what you feel like what you need to do?

[msstate7]

Red zone conversion %..
2022 - 26th
2021 - 59th
2020 - 105th
Wsu '19 - 52nd
Wsu '18 - 38th
Wsu '17 - 43rd
Wsu '16 - 73rd

[BuckyIsAB****]

What did the air raid do to some of you? Let it go.

[Really Clark?]

What did the air raid do to some of you? Let it go.

I like air raid, loved Leach, think Will got way too much criticism for the offense...I still think the actual offensive scoring in conference was poor. As far as RZ, it pretty simple to me, a good percentage is great but it has to have context. I mean so much of us are baseball minded, you tell me someone is hitting .400 I say great, how many plate appearances have they had is my follow up question. So I look at RZ% as a stat that has to have context because at the end of the day, there is not one person on this board who would not agree that our 2021 RZ stat was better (18th in attempts) because we scored 48 times even though we were 58th in percentage compared to 2022 when we only scored 40 times even though we finished 26th in percentage. 2021 was the better red zone season.

Tater anyone who said our percentage was bad last year was obviously off. My point from either is that is a stat that has to have context. In 2021 Colorado was 3rd nationally in RZ% but nearly last in attempts, a horrendous offense and team. It can tell a part of a story statistically but not as a stand alone stat

[Todd4State]

And when it's the truth you try to deflect to some old and tired "typical MSU fan criticism" when you know the stats don't lie. But to answer your question, what you want is to be good in the RZ when you are actually in the red one a lot. A team who makes a lot of FG inside the red zone can also skew the percentage. We sure didn't do that.

Do you honestly think our RZ attempts were skewed by scoring a lot from outside of the RZ? We were 83rd nationally on all scrimmage plays over 20+ yards. We didn't skew anything from scoring a lot outside of the red zone because we didn't score. Get real man.

Hard to criticize an offense that literally every football coach from the NFL has taken plays from but MSU fans are good at it.

I've found that usually when MSU fans have to go the "conference only" route it's usually so they can justify their bitching.

And no I was speaking of the stat in general and not on our offense specifically.

[Todd4State]

I'm not here to argue if the air raid was good or not. I made a point targeted at those who said the air raid sucked inside the red zone. It showed that it did not.

You're being really weird on one of the best days to be a Mississippi State bulldog by coming in here and "well ackshuallly" ing a positive stat by trying to tear it down.

Look in the mirror and question why that is what you feel like what you need to do?

This!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Look at least none of our guys, except KB, are out here still publicly salty about us ditching the Air Raid like Crissy Froyd. She is honestly an embarrassment for a reporter. Glad she was fired. It is people like that who have such a hard on for the Air Raid that I want us to prove wrong. I wish Arnett would just publicly flame people like that.

[Really Clark?]

Look at least none of our guys, except KB, are out here still publicly salty about us ditching the Air Raid like Crissy Froyd. She is honestly an embarrassment for a reporter. Glad she was fired. It is people like that who have such a hard on for the Air Raid that I want us to prove wrong. I wish Arnett would just publicly flame people like that.

I bet an Arnett flame would be intense and epic.

[Jarius]

Look at least none of our guys, except KB, are out here still publicly salty about us ditching the Air Raid like Crissy Froyd. She is honestly an embarrassment for a reporter. Glad she was fired. It is people like that who have such a hard on for the Air Raid that I want us to prove wrong. I wish Arnett would just publicly flame people like that.

I don’t guess I kept up with her getting fired. What is her deal and why did she get canned? It was always fairly obvious she wasn’t very football smart, but I didn’t really think she was horrible enough to get fired from a fan site.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don’t guess I kept up with her getting fired. What is her deal and why did she get canned? It was always fairly obvious she wasn’t very football smart, but I didn’t really think she was horrible enough to get fired from a fan site.

She was not covering Mississippi State. She was not doing the job she was hired to do. It is funny that she thought she could be a football coach and she was not football smart at all. She thought drawing up plays and knowing what mesh was made her qualified. But since she is a female who is halfway attractive no one ever told her that an average MAIS JV coach was better conceptually than her.

I wish her the best and maybe she will find what she is looking for somewhere else but damn stop trying to run down Mississippi State for Twitter likes from horny middle aged men. I wish Zach would say that exact thing but I know he cannot or it would be a firestorm that he was going after a female sports reporter and it caused her mental anguish.

[Percho]

What did the air raid do to some of you? Let it go.

Ain't it the truth.

Would loved to have seen what Coach Leach could have done over a ten or twelve years at MSU. But God decided for Coach Leach to move on and now I will love to see what Coach Arnett can do for ten or more years.

[Jarius]

Ain't it the truth.

Would loved to have seen what Coach Leach could have done over a ten or twelve years at MSU. But God decided for Coach Leach to move on and now I will love to see what Coach Arnett can do for ten or more years.

Coach Leach was smart. He knew what he was doing wasn’t working very well. That’s why he recruited Parson and was recruiting Petty from Starkville. The complaints about our offense were founded but Leach wasn’t going to keep failing offensively without changing something.

[Jarius]

She was not covering Mississippi State. She was not doing the job she was hired to do. It is funny that she thought she could be a football coach and she was not football smart at all. She thought drawing up plays and knowing what mesh was made her qualified. But since she is a female who is halfway attractive no one ever told her that an average MAIS JV coach was better conceptually than her.

I wish her the best and maybe she will find what she is looking for somewhere else but damn stop trying to run down Mississippi State for Twitter likes from horny middle aged men. I wish Zach would say that exact thing but I know he cannot or it would be a firestorm that he was going after a female sports reporter and it caused her mental anguish.

I just looked at her twitter and yea she’s exactly as you described.

[R2Dawg]

Spoiler alert- Will's team threw the ball 28 times and ran it 23 times with 7 of those rushes being runs by Will.

That's the most positive thing about today to me.

No I don't want Will running it 7 times a game. Pittman and Davis looked good. Two fast and physical runners. The RB room improved.

[R2Dawg]

Typical MSU fan conversation.

"We were good in the red zone last year".

"Yeah well we didn't get there enough so it didn't matter."

I mean would you have preferred that we were bad in the red zone?

Long TD plays can also skew attempts too but anyway weird criticism by MSU fans.

How many long TD plays did we have last year? I don't know but can't remember that many.

Who cares about last year at this point. Why can't folks let it go.

[dawgday166]

Look at least none of our guys, except KB, are out here still publicly salty about us ditching the Air Raid like Crissy Froyd. She is honestly an embarrassment for a reporter. Glad she was fired. It is people like that who have such a hard on for the Air Raid that I want us to prove wrong. I wish Arnett would just publicly flame people like that.

Agree with this. And anybody on our side that was expecting another Leach was pissing into the wind.

We'll see what happens. We got the best combo of Montana/Brady at QB we can have, got a ton of returning talent, so I'm thinking 11 wins. I'd made it 12 but we'll mess one game up, but we beat Bama.

[dawgday166]

How many long TD plays did we have last year? I don't know but can't remember that many.

Who cares about last year at this point. Why can't folks let it go.

Let's see how many we have this year. I hope it's a 100.

Pretty easy to hang in the pocket long enough to make those throws when you have a green jersey on.

[99jc]

Let's see how many we have this year. I hope it's a 100.

Pretty easy to hang in the pocket long enough to make those throws when you have a green jersey on.

yep i counted 5-6 sacks if he had not been wearing green.

[KB21]

Offense was what I expected. 9 of the first 13 plays were run plays. No 10 personnel sets. Running the ball when you don?t have the numbers advantage. Predictable play calling. Nothing like the Air Raid from a conceptual basis.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Offense was what I expected. 9 of the first 13 plays were run plays. No 10 personnel sets. Running the ball when you don?t have the numbers advantage. Predictable play calling. Nothing like the Air Raid from a conceptual basis.

We did run it on first down an awful lot. But we did go 10 personnel 3 or 4 times.

[KB21]

We did run it on first down an awful lot. But we did go 10 personnel 3 or 4 times.

Barbay has run it 63% of the time on first down in his career and 57% on second down. His play call sequence tends to be run, run, pass.

[dawgday166]

Barbay has run it 63% of the time on first down in his career and 57% on second down. His play call sequence tends to be run, run, pass.

Ok ... we got it man. Let it go.

Here's the way I'm looking at it. Our schedule next year is one of the easiest I've ever seen.

We play LSU, Bama, our nemesis KY, and OM at home. LSU has pretty decent experience. Bama has a new Soph QB and starts a RS Soph, true Soph, and RS Fr on Oline. They are young on O and somewhat young on D. I don't care what KY and OM have ... we should kick their asses.

In our away games AU has a whole new coaching staff, Arky is replacing both coordinators I believe, TAM is still a little young but also have a true Soph at QB, Oh, and there is a battle royale going on offensively between Jimbo & Petrino. USCe has very good experience and an experienced QB.

I'm taking the OOC games for granted. If we lose one of those someone needs to be fired. *

This ain't a JoMo situation. We have a DC that was promoted to HC off an 8-4 team, which it seems no one was really happy with. Maybe that was cause C34 said we should win 10 and everyone else bought into that. Even with UGA, along with Bama, on our schedule. We could've won 10 like C34 said if only Leach and his Air Raid hadn't sucked so bad. Oh ... and our WRs.

We have a new OC. We have a great culture that was rebuilt by Leach and Zach just needs to keep that going. We have a combo of Brady/Montana at QB. We start 1 Jr on offense, 1 on defense. Everyone else are Srs and Grs. We have good depth. What's really most important is we have road graders as Olinemen and now we gonna RTDFB.

Our schedule will never be easier. Our experience and depth will never be greater. Barring an injury to our combo QB, we should win 11 and anything less than 10 is a bust for the season IMO.

I know this ... Montana in college would most likely win SEC West with this team. He certainly wouldn't lose more than 2 games. No excuses unless our Montana gets hurt.

[KB21]

This team will be fighting an uphill battle with this offensive system, but if Mike Wright has to play, they are toast.

[dawgday166]

This team will be fighting an uphill battle with this offensive system, but if Mike Wright has to play, they are toast.

Barbay is a young hotshot OC. He has said he adapts to whatever personnel he has. He has a ton of experience to work with (it don't get no better in today's CFB world). The talent and experience on this team is light years beyond the best talent and experience he's ever had.

So either he figures out how to put a LOT of points on the board, or he lied to Zach in his interview. We should average around or over 35/game in conference games IMO.

ETA: Let's give it a chance and see what happens. None of us really can accurately predict how it will turn out but ... it should turn out very much like my previous post. I imagine it won't, but we'll see.

[KB21]

Barbay?s offense will be a good cure for insomnia.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Barbay?s offense will be a good cure for insomnia.

No that was Leachs check down Charlie offense.

[dawgday166]

No that was Leachs check down Charlie offense.

I thought Mullen and Dak in 2015 was the Checkdown Charlie offense LOL. Doesn't matter ... I knew a post like this was on its way soon.

The Eveready Bunny is a piker for "keeps on going and going and going" compared to this debate/feud SMH.

[Cowbell]

yep i counted 5-6 sacks if he had not been wearing green.
They blew the play dead when he got touched. What are y'all talking about?

[Cowbell]

Barbay has run it 63% of the time on first down in his career and 57% on second down. His play call sequence tends to be run, run, pass.
This statement contradicts itself....57% is not a tendency....

[dawgday166]

They blew the play dead when he got touched. What are y'all talking about?

I was mainly talking about how the dynamics of yesterday's scrimmage isn't the same as a game. It' much easier mentally to hang back in the pocket for 3 or so secs (or long enough to make a deep throw) when you not concerned with a 300 lb SEC Dlineman or 250 lb Backer cleaning your clock.

[Todd4State]

Ok ... we got it man. Let it go.

Here's the way I'm looking at it. Our schedule next year is one of the easiest I've ever seen.

We play LSU, Bama, our nemesis KY, and OM at home. LSU has pretty decent experience. Bama has a new Soph QB and starts a RS Soph, true Soph, and RS Fr on Oline. They are young on O and somewhat young on D. I don't care what KY and OM have ... we should kick their asses.

In our away games AU has a whole new coaching staff, Arky is replacing both coordinators I believe, TAM is still a little young but also have a true Soph at QB, Oh, and there is a battle royale going on offensively between Jimbo & Petrino. USCe has very good experience and an experienced QB.

I'm taking the OOC games for granted. If we lose one of those someone needs to be fired. *

This ain't a JoMo situation. We have a DC that was promoted to HC off an 8-4 team, which it seems no one was really happy with. Maybe that was cause C34 said we should win 10 and everyone else bought into that. Even with UGA, along with Bama, on our schedule. We could've won 10 like C34 said if only Leach and his Air Raid hadn't sucked so bad. Oh ... and our WRs.

We have a new OC. We have a great culture that was rebuilt by Leach and Zach just needs to keep that going. We have a combo of Brady/Montana at QB. We start 1 Jr on offense, 1 on defense. Everyone else are Srs and Grs. We have good depth. What's really most important is we have road graders as Olinemen and now we gonna RTDFB.

Our schedule will never be easier. Our experience and depth will never be greater. Barring an injury to our combo QB, we should win 11 and anything less than 10 is a bust for the season IMO.

I know this ... Montana in college would most likely win SEC West with this team. He certainly wouldn't lose more than 2 games. No excuses unless our Montana gets hurt.

The offensive line is a big concern. And the spring game didn't really quell that. Sure getting Kam Jones will help, and I really like Leon Bell the JUCO guy and he might help and we're looking in the portal for a lineman as well. If they struggle it could be a year like 2015 where we go no better than 8-4.

Our team as it stands is built to pass the ball. Tulu, Zavion, and Justin Robinson are all former four star receivers and Goede the TE was a four star as well. Freddie Roberson is a quality transfer and then Walley is a senior who has made a lot of plays for us.

Will is a very accurate QB and a smart QB who takes care of the ball. Our offensive line has been mostly pass blocking for three years.

On the flip side Woody is good and talented and Pittman is a good prospect but our running backs are all very injury prone. And our offensive line is being asked to do a lot of things they aren't used to doing.

Now that said- when Will was the QB we threw it 28 times and ran it 23 times. That's an acceptable ratio and that's encouraging to me. It shows me that Barbay is serious about adapting to our player's strengths.

What I hope to see when the season starts is us add in the Air Raid stuff that we are familiar with in addition to what has been added.

Now on the other side when Mike Wright was the QB the run pass ratio was flipped. So it he is our QB we'll be run heavy in 2024.

This does and should carry the "it's the spring game" disclaimer so it going to get over scrutinized but I think we might be pretty close to 60/40 pass/run next year. That's about what WKU and Texas Tech are at.

[Todd4State]

Barbay?s offense will be a good cure for insomnia.

I think we'll be fine for 2023. 2024 could be pretty rough though.

[dawgday166]

The offensive line is a big concern. And the spring game didn't really quell that. Sure getting Kam Jones will help, and I really like Leon Bell the JUCO guy and he might help and we're looking in the portal for a lineman as well. If they struggle it could be a year like 2015 where we go no better than 8-4.


Someone said Friend was one of the top coaches in the SEC, or something like that. I've never been that impressed with him and his resume doesn't really reflect that but that doesn't matter. We have talented and mucho experienced Olinemen so I expect them to plow some big gaping holes and also to protect Will. No excuses.

ETA: FWIW ... I would have expected Leach to win 11 this year too.

[KB21]

The offensive line is a big concern. And the spring game didn't really quell that. Sure getting Kam Jones will help, and I really like Leon Bell the JUCO guy and he might help and we're looking in the portal for a lineman as well. If they struggle it could be a year like 2015 where we go no better than 8-4.

Our team as it stands is built to pass the ball. Tulu, Zavion, and Justin Robinson are all former four star receivers and Goede the TE was a four star as well. Freddie Roberson is a quality transfer and then Walley is a senior who has made a lot of plays for us.

Will is a very accurate QB and a smart QB who takes care of the ball. Our offensive line has been mostly pass blocking for three years.

On the flip side Woody is good and talented and Pittman is a good prospect but our running backs are all very injury prone. And our offensive line is being asked to do a lot of things they aren't used to doing.

Now that said- when Will was the QB we threw it 28 times and ran it 23 times. That's an acceptable ratio and that's encouraging to me. It shows me that Barbay is serious about adapting to our player's strengths.

What I hope to see when the season starts is us add in the Air Raid stuff that we are familiar with in addition to what has been added.

Now on the other side when Mike Wright was the QB the run pass ratio was flipped. So it he is our QB we'll be run heavy in 2024.

This does and should carry the "it's the spring game" disclaimer so it going to get over scrutinized but I think we might be pretty close to 60/40 pass/run next year. That's about what WKU and Texas Tech are at.

It?s pretty clear to me. I bet Barbay calls at least 60% run. That spring game was nothing but run after run.

[Todd4State]

It?s pretty clear to me. I bet Barbay calls at least 60% run. That spring game was nothing but run after run.

So are you expecting him to let Will call some plays? It's not a bad idea as experienced as he is.

[Todd4State]

Someone said Friend was one of the top coaches in the SEC, or something like that. I've never been that impressed with him and his resume doesn't really reflect that but that doesn't matter. We have talented and mucho experienced Olinemen so I expect them to plow some big gaping holes and also to protect Will. No excuses.

ETA: FWIW ... I would have expected Leach to win 11 this year too.

Yeah Leach had this team teed up for a huge year. Really tragic for all involved.

If we struggle I don't know that it's necessarily a coaching issue. It's just that they haven't been asked to do a lot of this stuff for awhile.

Then again if they struggle with a lot of the run concepts then that goes back to adapting to what your personnel does well vs forcing scheme and preference on players.

[RiverCityDawg]

The offensive line is a big concern. And the spring game didn't really quell that. Sure getting Kam Jones will help, and I really like Leon Bell the JUCO guy and he might help and we're looking in the portal for a lineman as well. If they struggle it could be a year like 2015 where we go no better than 8-4.

Our team as it stands is built to pass the ball. Tulu, Zavion, and Justin Robinson are all former four star receivers and Goede the TE was a four star as well. Freddie Roberson is a quality transfer and then Walley is a senior who has made a lot of plays for us.

Will is a very accurate QB and a smart QB who takes care of the ball. Our offensive line has been mostly pass blocking for three years.

On the flip side Woody is good and talented and Pittman is a good prospect but our running backs are all very injury prone. And our offensive line is being asked to do a lot of things they aren't used to doing.

Now that said- when Will was the QB we threw it 28 times and ran it 23 times. That's an acceptable ratio and that's encouraging to me. It shows me that Barbay is serious about adapting to our player's strengths.

What I hope to see when the season starts is us add in the Air Raid stuff that we are familiar with in addition to what has been added.

Now on the other side when Mike Wright was the QB the run pass ratio was flipped. So it he is our QB we'll be run heavy in 2024.

This does and should carry the "it's the spring game" disclaimer so it going to get over scrutinized but I think we might be pretty close to 60/40 pass/run next year. That's about what WKU and Texas Tech are at.

I don't think Wright will ever be our starter, barring injury to someone else.

But if we do find ourselves in that very bad position, it better be a run heavy offense because the guy can't pass.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think Wright will ever be our starter, barring injury to someone else.

But if we do find ourselves in that very bad position, it better be a run heavy offense because the guy can't pass.

Yea if Will was to be out for even a game for something, our offense would have to drastically change. It'd be 85/15 run to pass. Wright just can't throw it. I wouldn't be shocked to see us bring in another QB transfer if someone popped up.

[TrapGame]

A spring exhibition game where both sides of the ball are running basic sets, it means more to the coaches for evaluation, the players know they can't take someone's head off but somehow we've already "figured out" what this offense is going to do this season.

I'll start making judgments after the actual first game of the season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

A spring exhibition game where both sides of the ball are running basic sets, it means more to the coaches for evaluation, the players know they can't take someone's head off but somehow we've already "figured out" what this offense is going to do this season.

I'll start making judgments after the actual first game of the season.

Yea we were VERY very vanilla in our play calling. It also makes a difference when you have your two best RBs in the game, another possession WR, and the two guys who are starting at TE for you. I've said for a week or two I'll reserve judgement until after LSU. O Line is going to be a work in progress, but hopefully we clean up whatever issues we have in those first two.

[KB21]

If you want to watch a much better designed offense, then watch WKU?s spring game on Saturday.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If you want to watch a much better designed offense, then watch WKU?s spring game on Saturday.

Can you please for the love of all things holy go post on their message board and stop bothering us? You and Crissy Froyd can start the Drew Hollingshead and Steve Spurrier Jr Fan Club. The sad thing is I actually like Drew as a person a lot, but you thinking that the pure Air Raid is the only way to go has made me jaded to it and anyone associated with it.

You claim to love Mike Leach but you're pissing everyone off to the point of where we're starting to all get tired of having to hear about him and his amazing offense, that won ZERO championships, every F'N day.

[RockyDog]

We played in the SEC West. And had georgia. It's to be expected our volume of attempts would be down anyways. But that's not the point I'm making. I'm taking a shot specifically at those who cried that we sucked INSIDE the red zone.

Tennessee, Mississippi, and Georgia were in the top 10 in total yardage offense. Alabama was 11. Arkansas was 15. None of those had trouble putting up numbers in the big, bad, mighty SEC. Why is that an excuse for our stats?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Tennessee, Mississippi, and Georgia were in the top 10 in total yardage offense. Alabama was 11. Arkansas was 15. None of those had trouble putting up numbers in the big, bad, mighty SEC. Why is that an excuse for our stats?

Every team you just mentioned has one thing in common.....MOBILE QB. We have a statue. That's why Parson was being brought in under Leach. He even knew we had to change.

[RockyDog]

Every team you just mentioned has one thing in common.....MOBILE QB. We have a statue. That's why Parson was being brought in under Leach. He even knew we had to change.

That doesn't matter in KB's world. All you have to do to have success is throw it 95% of the time. ;););)

[StarkVegasSteve]

That doesn't matter in KB's world. All you have to do to have success is throw it 95% of the time. ;););)

It's sad there's actually a person out there that believes that. It's really sad that there's two. The Pure Air Raid is dead. It died with Leach. All the other offshoots are based out of Art Briles' Air Raid which encompasses more run elements and some surface level RPO stuff.

[KB21]

It?s because the Air Raid is by far the best offensive system in college football. It?s much better than the ground and pound crap we will run under Barbay.

And no. The offshoots of Mike?s Air Taid are not based off of Art Briles?s system.

[Dawgface]

Other than the fumbling I liked what I saw. That will surely get ironed out. If we end up 55/45 run/pass or the reverse I?m fine with it. As long as the offense is productive.

[MrCoachKlein]

Barbay?s offense will be a good cure for insomnia.

I can't imagine anything more thrilling than needing a 20 play drive at 3 yards per attempt to score.***

Gppd Lord man. You're insufferable.

[Goldendawg]

Yeah Leach had this team teed up for a huge year. Really tragic for all involved.

If we struggle I don't know that it's necessarily a coaching issue. It's just that they haven't been asked to do a lot of this stuff for awhile.

Then again if they struggle with a lot of the run concepts then that goes back to adapting to what your personnel does well vs forcing scheme and preference on players.

Sure don't want to see another trying to force square pegs in round holes JoMo offense. That being said, my Son and I went to the Spring Game and I thought the running game looked good even without Marks and Price. Davis is super quick and can hit a narrow seam. Great to see Tulu get the ball on jet sweeps and reverses and Zavion Thomas more involved in passing game. Know we had several DL out. I used to get excited about spring games, but got over that and quit going for about 15 years. Son is in school at State so I have attended last two. Coaches show what they want you to see really.

[Goldendawg]

If you want to watch a much better designed offense, then watch WKU?s spring game on Saturday.

Do they play in the SEC East or West?*****

[BlackSailsDawg]

Have only watched the highlights..

The Bad

1- Hand offs and fumbling should not be a problem at this level with this much veterans.

2- Bad snaps. WOW! That was hard to watch.

3- Passing routes are not clean.

4- we run a lot of dumps.

5- The transfer QB from Vandy is not a passer. We need a #2

6- Some of these sweeps, predicable and will not work against good SEC teams.

7- Th RPO..

8- Th non QB passing.. ouch


The Good;

1- Liked some of the schemes.

2- the OL do get down field for blocking.

3- Rogers pretty much dispelled the "can't throw down field" notion.

4- Pittman looks viable.

5- Seth may not be held off the field that much. Nice RB.

6- DEFENSE will be deep.



Ok.. Players:

JP.. LEWIS!! The DBS...

Seth and Pittman. Harmon did well too.

[MrCoachKlein]

Can you please for the love of all things holy go post on their message board and stop bothering us? You and Crissy Froyd can start the Drew Hollingshead and Steve Spurrier Jr Fan Club. The sad thing is I actually like Drew as a person a lot, but you thinking that the pure Air Raid is the only way to go has made me jaded to it and anyone associated with it.

You claim to love Mike Leach but you're pissing everyone off to the point of where we're starting to all get tired of having to hear about him and his amazing offense, that won ZERO championships, every F'N day.

My 1 and 3 year olds whine less

[StarkVegasSteve]

It?s because the Air Raid is by far the best offensive system in college football. It?s much better than the ground and pound crap we will run under Barbay.

And no. The offshoots of Mike?s Air Taid are not based off of Art Briles?s system.

That shows how jaded you are and little you know. Lincoln, Dana, and Sonny have all acknowledged in multiple interviews over the years how much their system was influenced by both Art and Mike. Now, that's still conceptually Leach's system, but better. Because you know it's actually won national championships and made playoff appearances. Unlike the pure Air Raid.

[KB21]

I can't imagine anything more thrilling than needing a 20 play drive at 3 yards per attempt to score.***

Gppd Lord man. You're insufferable.

You have confused Mike?s offense with the ground and pound you want to run.

[PMDawg]

It?s because the Air Raid is by far the best offensive system in college football. It?s much better than the ground and pound crap we will run under Barbay.

And no. The offshoots of Mike?s Air Taid are not based off of Art Briles?s system.

A. The version Mike Leach ran was not the best in CFB. That's why no one runs his version anymore. They all had to evolve it into something that worked against better competition, and Mike Leach was actually doing the same thing. The Mike Leach Air Raid was a thing of the past when he was alive; it certainly is now that he's dead.

B. Although I was never a huge fan of the ML pure Air Raid he was running, I still wanted to continue running a form of it after he passed. Once we hired Arnett, I was certain that we would do just that, and get what the sane ones among us wanted (you're not in that number) - a modernized version of the AR, similar to what TN, USC, etc. are currently running. I will also admit that I was fairly disappointed when we started making the changes to the coaching staff that told us we were not continuing with some form of the AR.

However, this is where you and I diverge. I'm an adult, so I was disappointed for a bit, then realized there was nothing I could do about, and decided to move on. Now, I'm just looking forward. We have a new coaching staff and a new offensive philosophy. Do I think it will succeed? Eh, I don't know. It's not what I would have picked. But, all I can do is hope for the best and continue to support the team and coaches. Unless you have tens of millions of dollars you're willing to send to the Athletic Department, that's all you can do too.

What you're doing now is among the worst "fan" behavior I've ever seen. You're right up there with the Vandy Whistler. This would be embarrassing behavior for a child over the age of about 6, much less for a supposed adult. Honestly, I would recommend that you seek therapy at this point. This just isn't normal or healthy behavior.

[RiverCityDawg]

Can you please for the love of all things holy go post on their message board and stop bothering us? You and Crissy Froyd can start the Drew Hollingshead and Steve Spurrier Jr Fan Club. The sad thing is I actually like Drew as a person a lot, but you thinking that the pure Air Raid is the only way to go has made me jaded to it and anyone associated with it.

You claim to love Mike Leach but you're pissing everyone off to the point of where we're starting to all get tired of having to hear about him and his amazing offense, that won ZERO championships, every F'N day.

I'm an Air Raid fan and even I'm tired of him...

[PMDawg]

I'm an Air Raid fan and even I'm tired of him...

repped

[Commercecomet24]

I'm an Air Raid fan and even I'm tired of him...

Right there with ya! Have always loved Coach Leach and always been a big fan of his and the Air Raid, but he's gone and his particular version went with him. Only thing we can do now is move on and support the new staff. Heck, Coach Leach trusted Zach immensely. The note they found in his desk that said "When in doubt trust Zach" leads me to believe if CML trusted him that much, I probably should too, because CML knows way more about it than i do!

[RiverCityDawg]

A. The version Mike Leach ran was not the best in CFB. That's why no one runs his version anymore. They all had to evolve it into something that worked against better competition, and Mike Leach was actually doing the same thing. The Mike Leach Air Raid was a thing of the past when he was alive; it certainly is now that he's dead.

B. Although I was never a huge fan of the ML pure Air Raid he was running, I still wanted to continue running a form of it after he passed. Once we hired Arnett, I was certain that we would do just that, and get what the sane ones among us wanted (you're not in that number) - a modernized version of the AR, similar to what TN, USC, etc. are currently running. I will also admit that I was fairly disappointed when we started making the changes to the coaching staff that told us we were not continuing with some form of the AR.

However, this is where you and I diverge. I'm an adult, so I was disappointed for a bit, then realized there was nothing I could do about, and decided to move on. Now, I'm just looking forward. We have a new coaching staff and a new offensive philosophy. Do I think it will succeed? Eh, I don't know. It's not what I would have picked. But, all I can do is hope for the best and continue to support the team and coaches. Unless you have tens of millions of dollars you're willing to send to the Athletic Department, that's all you can do too.

What you're doing now is among the worst "fan" behavior I've ever seen. You're right up there with the Vandy Whistler. This would be embarrassing behavior for a child over the age of about 6, much less for a supposed adult. Honestly, I would recommend that you seek therapy at this point. This just isn't normal or healthy behavior.

This is exactly how I feel. All of it. Not what I would have preferred, but choosing to be hopeful and give it a chance because this hobby is supposed to be fun. It's time to move on.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Right there with ya! Have always loved Coach Leach and always been a big fan of his and the Air Raid, but he's gone and his particular version went with him. Only thing we can do now is move on and support the new staff. Heck, Coach Leach trusted Zach immensely. The note they found in his desk that said "When in doubt trust Zach" leads me to believe if CML trusted him that much, I probably should too, because CML knows way more about it than i do!

Which is the craziest thing about all this, the man these "purists' claim to revere left very specific instructions, "When all goes to hell, listen to Zach". I imagine it had a colorful adjective thrown in there as well knowing Mike.

[Commercecomet24]

Which is the craziest thing about all this, the man these "purists' claim to revere left very specific instructions, "When all goes to hell, listen to Zach". I imagine it had a colorful adjective thrown in there as well knowing Mike.

Exactly!

[RiverCityDawg]

Right there with ya! Have always loved Coach Leach and always been a big fan of his and the Air Raid, but he's gone and his particular version went with him. Only thing we can do now is move on and support the new staff. Heck, Coach Leach trusted Zach immensely. The note they found in his desk that said "When in doubt trust Zach" leads me to believe if CML trusted him that much, I probably should too, because CML knows way more about it than i do!

Is the note in the desk thing really true? I always thought that was sort of urban legend. Just so cool it's hard to believe! Lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is the note in the desk thing really true? I always thought that was sort of urban legend. Just so cool it's hard to believe! Lol

It was. I was told by staff members and a lot of national media guys verified that.

[Goldendawg]

This is exactly how I feel. All of it. Not what I would have preferred, but choosing to be hopeful and give it a chance because this hobby is supposed to be fun. It's time to move on.

First game my Dad carried me to was against "Memphis State" in 1963 and we lost. Paul Davis was HC. I have since survived Coaches Shira, Felker, Croom, JoMo, and watching the wheels fall off the last few years under my favorite coach "The Kang", Jackie. Not as much patience in today's world or in mine, but I can give Zac a little time but please, no "Tech and Ten" or anything close to it! Hail State!

[BuckyIsAB****]

The offensive line is a big concern. And the spring game didn't really quell that. Sure getting Kam Jones will help, and I really like Leon Bell the JUCO guy and he might help and we're looking in the portal for a lineman as well. If they struggle it could be a year like 2015 where we go no better than 8-4.

Our team as it stands is built to pass the ball. Tulu, Zavion, and Justin Robinson are all former four star receivers and Goede the TE was a four star as well. Freddie Roberson is a quality transfer and then Walley is a senior who has made a lot of plays for us.

Will is a very accurate QB and a smart QB who takes care of the ball. Our offensive line has been mostly pass blocking for three years.

On the flip side Woody is good and talented and Pittman is a good prospect but our running backs are all very injury prone. And our offensive line is being asked to do a lot of things they aren't used to doing.

Now that said- when Will was the QB we threw it 28 times and ran it 23 times. That's an acceptable ratio and that's encouraging to me. It shows me that Barbay is serious about adapting to our player's strengths.

What I hope to see when the season starts is us add in the Air Raid stuff that we are familiar with in addition to what has been added.

Now on the other side when Mike Wright was the QB the run pass ratio was flipped. So it he is our QB we'll be run heavy in 2024.

This does and should carry the "it's the spring game" disclaimer so it going to get over scrutinized but I think we might be pretty close to 60/40 pass/run next year. That's about what WKU and Texas Tech are at.

I think the OL has been better than it has been in a long time.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Which is the craziest thing about all this, the man these "purists' claim to revere left very specific instructions, "When all goes to hell, listen to Zach". I imagine it had a colorful adjective thrown in there as well knowing Mike.

"These"?

come on. Not seen many say they want a clone.

[StarkVegasSteve]

"These"?

come on. Not seen many say they want a clone.

There's more out there than you think. They're easily identifiable though. They're all "Air Raid Certified". Whatever the hell that means.

[BlackSailsDawg]

There's more out there than you think. They're easily identifiable though. They're all "Air Raid Certified". Whatever the hell that means.

I get it. I personally think we made a wrong move. But it is what it is. We are here now. And we got to roll with it.

[Todd4State]

I get it. I personally think we made a wrong move. But it is what it is. We are here now. And we got to roll with it.

I think this is how most MSU fans feel.

I just hope this doesn't turn into 2018 part 2.

[Todd4State]

There's more out there than you think. They're easily identifiable though. They're all "Air Raid Certified". Whatever the hell that means.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous for people to say "Well, no one runs their offense like Leach". No one that I know runs their offense exactly like someone else. Hal Mumme ran his Air Raid differently than Leach did.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think this is how most MSU fans feel.

I just hope this doesn't turn into 2018 part 2.

You're correct it is the way most of us feel. But 99% of us want State to succeed so we're on board with Arnett. We're going to support him til the end, whether we think the offense sucks or it's amazing. Leach's offense was awful against almost any defense with a pulse for 3 years and we supported him.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You're correct it is the way most of us feel. But 99% of us want State to succeed so we're on board with Arnett. We're going to support him til the end, whether we think the offense sucks or it's amazing. Leach's offense was awful against almost any defense with a pulse for 3 years and we supported him.

Nope. You an I both know he was ripped to shreds here from day one by some and got worse because people did not like "watching" the offense. Even with the wins... it did not matter. There are always people who are going to be over the top and will work to convince others to join in in their misery. We have slowly become a fan base that has no patience.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nope. You an I both know he was ripped to shreds here from day one by some and got worse because people did not like "watching" the offense. Even with the wins... it did not matter. There are always people who are going to be over the top and will work to convince others to join in in their misery. We have slowly become a fan base that has no patience.

No team in the country has patience anymore. Coaches make too much to be patient and you can fill with portal additions now. Patience goes out the window when your coach is making 5 mil a year.

And I can't speak to the people who hated him from day one, I was definitely skeptical but was going to ultimately support him because he chose to come here. But hating watching the offense is normal. You lose games and people are going to hate the offense. You win and people love it. The difference generally was that in those wins we established the run and in the losses we didn't. That's why folks were getting pissed at Leach, especially the last two years.

[dawgday166]

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[BorneDawg]

Do they play in the SEC East or West?*****

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Goldendawg again. Since it wont actually give anyone rep ill just have to copy and past this message on any post I like.....

[Todd4State]

You're correct it is the way most of us feel. But 99% of us want State to succeed so we're on board with Arnett. We're going to support him til the end, whether we think the offense sucks or it's amazing. Leach's offense was awful against almost any defense with a pulse for 3 years and we supported him.

I always want us to win no matter what.