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basedog
03-30-2023, 02:31 PM
He suggests that a kid signing a scholarship has the option of 1 one year, two-year, 3 year or 4-year deal in a contract. It would help schools big time with the portal and NIL.
It's a way of controlling the school's rosters, same with the Nfl signing players.

Something needs to be done and I like his idea.

gtowndawg
03-30-2023, 02:37 PM
That's so simple it might actually work. Or at least help.

Desoto1967
03-30-2023, 03:01 PM
I have to ask, what is the incentive to sign more than one year?

gtowndawg
03-30-2023, 03:03 PM
I have to ask, what is the incentive to sign more than one year?

I would assume it's similar to the NFL. A one year deal means you better perform immediately or you will be cut as compared to a guaranteed 4 year scholarship deal.

Homedawg
03-30-2023, 03:28 PM
Downside is you are stuck w people that can't play too.

smootness
03-30-2023, 04:17 PM
Downside is you are stuck w people that can't play too.

Yeah, there's some risk on both sides here. But the NCAA will never, at this point at least, tell a student they have to stay somewhere or not be on scholarship.

Johnson85
03-30-2023, 04:28 PM
I have to ask, what is the incentive to sign more than one year?

Security would be the incentive, but you'd probably have to set it up with options on both sides to really make it work. So maybe the player gets a one year deal with "x" NIL and a player option to renew at "x" each year for the remainder of his eligibility. The team gets an option to renew each year, with say 1.15x NIL the first renewal, 1.5 x the second renewal, and 1.75 the third renewal, and 2x the fourth renewal. If the player is doing well, they are guaranteed to get more NIL money. If the player gets hurt or is just not good, he has the option to continue getting the same NIL. If the player wants more NIL money and the team isn't willing to pay the additional NIL to exercise their option, then they can negotiate.

You could structure this all sorts of ways depending on how much the initial NIL is and how much risk the player is willing to take, but that would at least be a way to guarantee a player some security and NIL money and also give the school some protection that they won't bolt as soon as their NIL value goes up. This structure would technically be illegal under the current NIL rules I think, but it's probably not any more illegal than the deals already being made. Just a little more of the illegality specified on paper.

Lord McBuckethead
03-30-2023, 06:29 PM
I have to ask, what is the incentive to sign more than one year?

NIL incentives as a multi year.
I would assume all players would sign 2 year deals.

coachnorm
03-30-2023, 06:32 PM
Considering the attire that Gundy wore at a practice that could have cost him his job, Gundy is the least qualified coach in America to comment on this issue. The Courts have ruled on this issue and the Courts are not going to let anyone back door proxy a method to quash or limit their rulings.

the_real_MSU_is_us
03-30-2023, 06:57 PM
So long as kids are allowed to transfer and be immediately eligible, it won't do anything. Everyone would sign for 4 years then ditch as soon as the money came calling

Cowbell
03-30-2023, 07:17 PM
Downside is you are stuck w people that can't play too.

That's always been a problem

R2Dawg
03-30-2023, 08:32 PM
Downside is you are stuck w people that can't play too.

Well you don't give middle of road talent a 4 year deal. You give a can't miss talent a 4 year deal.

R2Dawg
03-30-2023, 08:33 PM
So long as kids are allowed to transfer and be immediately eligible, it won't do anything. Everyone would sign for 4 years then ditch as soon as the money came calling

I think that is the deal. You sign a contract like the pros then that is the contract. Ain't no getting out unless maybe the other school wants to buy you out. Just go full pro contract stuff here and be done.

Johnson85
03-31-2023, 09:35 AM
Considering the attire that Gundy wore at a practice that could have cost him his job, Gundy is the least qualified coach in America to comment on this issue. The Courts have ruled on this issue and the Courts are not going to let anyone back door proxy a method to quash or limit their rulings.

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about here, but the courts have not ruled on anything that would stop multiyear contracts from being enforceable.

Thick
03-31-2023, 02:16 PM
Considering the attire that Gundy wore at a practice that could have cost him his job, Gundy is the least qualified coach in America to comment on this issue. The Courts have ruled on this issue and the Courts are not going to let anyone back door proxy a method to quash or limit their rulings.

The courts ruled on NIL.

coachnorm
03-31-2023, 05:16 PM
I honestly have no clue what you are talking about here, but the courts have not ruled on anything that would stop multiyear contracts from being enforceable.

First, here are some links about Mike Gundy and why he needs to button his lips.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-state-coach-mike-gundy-calls-himself-a-dumbass-for-wearing-oan-t-shirt/

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/mike-gundy-pay-cut-oklahoma-state/507-454512cb-0612-44a4-8870-72763c83098c

Take notice of the third link about Anti Trust considerations, by the Court in regards to governing students. The SCOUS basically severed the link with Anti Trust considerations that the NCAA had prior to its rulings thus there will be hard rock mining to alter the Courts encompassing viewpoint that includes NIL and student movement.

https://sports-entertainment.brooklaw.edu/sports/how-antitrust-law-and-transfer-restrictions-might-decide-the-fate-of-student-athlete-free-agency/

This response is submitted with all due respect

Thick
03-31-2023, 05:31 PM
First, here are some links about Mike Gundy and why he needs to button his lips.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-state-coach-mike-gundy-calls-himself-a-dumbass-for-wearing-oan-t-shirt/

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/mike-gundy-pay-cut-oklahoma-state/507-454512cb-0612-44a4-8870-72763c83098c

Take notice of the third link about Anti Trust considerations, by the Court in regards to governing students. The SCOUS basically severed the link with Anti Trust considerations that the NCAA had prior to its rulings thus there will be hard rock mining to alter the Courts encompassing viewpoint that includes NIL and student movement.

https://sports-entertainment.brooklaw.edu/sports/how-antitrust-law-and-transfer-restrictions-might-decide-the-fate-of-student-athlete-free-agency/

This response is submitted with all due respect

I stand corrected, I guess. Thanks

CarolinaDawgs
04-01-2023, 07:42 AM
First, here are some links about Mike Gundy and why he needs to button his lips.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-state-coach-mike-gundy-calls-himself-a-dumbass-for-wearing-oan-t-shirt/

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/mike-gundy-pay-cut-oklahoma-state/507-454512cb-0612-44a4-8870-72763c83098c

Take notice of the third link about Anti Trust considerations, by the Court in regards to governing students. The SCOUS basically severed the link with Anti Trust considerations that the NCAA had prior to its rulings thus there will be hard rock mining to alter the Courts encompassing viewpoint that includes NIL and student movement.

https://sports-entertainment.brooklaw.edu/sports/how-antitrust-law-and-transfer-restrictions-might-decide-the-fate-of-student-athlete-free-agency/

This response is submitted with all due respect

Damn. A T shirt got all them feelings hurt. Cha cha cha charmin!

DownwardDawg
04-01-2023, 11:00 AM
Damn. A T shirt got all them feelings hurt. Cha cha cha charmin!

So many "wusses" these days. This country has gotten so soft like you eluded to.

coachnorm
04-01-2023, 11:52 AM
Damn. A T shirt got all them feelings hurt. Cha cha cha charmin!

Being that most elite prospects have Twitter Accounts, they can easily communicate in regards to the Black Lives Matter issue in which the head coach has represented that Black Lives DO NOT Matter. This could be a bad point of evolution that could destroy a program when Black elite prospects, with coordination, shun that program. That T shirt was a symbol and a statement. If you were a black prospect would you want to expose yourself to a coach who has truly exposed himself in that manner? The potential damage to the program for years to come was the reason why Gundy was sanctioned by the University. That T shirt could have cost the University millions of dollars if proper damage control was not activated. That is the true end game whether anyone agrees or not. Other programs are praying that Gundy will further open his mouth or wear similar attire to help with their recruiting?

DownwardDawg
04-01-2023, 12:21 PM
Being that most elite prospects have Twitter Accounts, they can easily communicate in regards to the Black Lives Matter issue in which the head coach has represented that Black Lives DO NOT Matter. This could be a bad point of evolution that could destroy a program when Black elite prospects, with coordination, shun that program. That T shirt was a symbol and a statement. If you were a black prospect would you want to expose yourself to a coach who has truly exposed himself in that manner? The potential damage to the program for years to come was the reason why Gundy was sanctioned by the University. That T shirt could have cost the University millions of dollars if proper damage control was not activated. That is the true end game whether anyone agrees or not. Other programs are praying that Gundy will further open his mouth or wear similar attire to help with their recruiting?

Wait!! Gundy actually said black lives don't matter?!?!?! Holy crap!!!! ****

coachnorm
04-01-2023, 12:51 PM
Wait!! Gundy actually said black lives don't matter?!?!?! Holy crap!!!! ****

Veiled Statement. Gundy did not like the George Floyd BLM evolution and he made his statement thru his attire. That is why Oklahoma State University saw it that way and sanctioned him as a form of damage control.