FIRE FOXHALL TODAY

[Cooterpoot]

Anybody, and I do mean any 17ing body can do as well as him. Have a pitching coach fan of the day and they could manage pitchers better.

Been yelling it for years. We still watching this shit.

[EdwardDrayton]

This. All day. And twice tomorrow.

[msstate7]

If I'm ever the CEO of a company that I run in the ground, I hope my shareholders are like state fans that blame my right hand man.

[parabrave]

Polk didn't say that during the broadcast but did lay it at Foxhalls feet.

[EdwardDrayton]

If I'm ever the CEO of a company that I run in the ground, I hope my shareholders are like state fans that blame my right hand man.

To be clear 7, Lemonis is responsible and accountable all day long for this mess. And we're angry about it. But it's not the best alternative to topple the entire structure right now.

[parabrave]

If Lemonis was a Army commander at any level His boss would tell him this. Relieve Foxhall now and if I have to then you will be relieved with him.

[The Federalist Engineer]

If I'm ever the CEO of a company that I run in the ground, I hope my shareholders are like state fans that blame my right hand man.

Folks wanted to see something change, but now that Lemonis is wedded to Fox, they both need to go.

I hope that - far from my direct knowledge - MSU is negotiating with Pat Casey. He can bring a PC of his choice. I would even take Paul Manieri as a short term fix.

[EdwardDrayton]

If Lemonis was a Army commander at any level His boss would tell him this. Relieve Foxhall now and if I have to then you will be relieved with him.

Yep

[R2Dawg]

If I'm ever the CEO of a company that I run in the ground, I hope my shareholders are like state fans that blame my right hand man.

The CEO is accountable so first thing he should do is make a change in the division head that is dragging the company down. If he can't right the ship then yeah CEO should be next.

[EdwardDrayton]

The CEO is accountable so first thing he should do is make a change in the division head that is dragging the company down. If he can't right the ship then yeah CEO should be next.

^^^^^

[Rawdawg]

Anybody, and I do mean any 17ing body can do as well as him. Have a pitching coach fan of the day and they could manage pitchers better.

Been yelling it for years. We still watching this shit.

Outside of giving yourself some personal satisfaction, what good does this do? Seriously? Ive said it before and I?ll say it again you dont fix a culture problem by firing an assistant. Foxhall isnt the problem. Hes a tick on the ass of the problem.

[msstate7]

The CEO is accountable so first thing he should do is make a change in the division head that is dragging the company down. If he can't right the ship then yeah CEO should be next.

Who is the defense division head? We're dead last in defense in the sec too. I'm sure it isn't lemonis who is above criticism

[msstate7]

Outside of giving yourself some personal satisfaction, what good does this do? Seriously? Ive said it before and I?ll say it again you dont fix a culture problem by firing an assistant. Foxhall isnt the problem. Hes a tick on the ass of the problem.

^^^^^^^^^^^

[EdwardDrayton]

If Zac is not following us hashing this shit out between us, he's missing a wonderful opportunity to save himself a lot of brain processing. Hell, we're giving him all points of view in a one-stop shop!!

Ain't this fun!!!

[msstate7]

If Zac is not following us hashing this shit out between us, he's missing a wonderful opportunity to save himself a lot of brain processing. Hell, we're giving him all points of view in a one-stop shop!!

Ain't this fun!!!

Our 1st year AD isn't making this decision. The boosters that give the money will let our AD know what to do. Hopefully they tell him to fire lemonis

[ScottH]

I hope that - far from my direct knowledge - MSU is negotiating with Pat Casey. He can bring a PC of his choice.

May or may not win but they would be disciplined and well coached.

[EdwardDrayton]

Our 1st year AD isn't making this decision. The boosters that give the money will let our AD know what to do. Hopefully they tell him to fire lemonis

I hope the boosters share their perspective 7 if they feel the need and then let Zac do his job. I do believe he is capable of holding his own ground and making the best decision as he sees it. People with money don't necessarily possess wisdom.

[AlSwearengen]

Does anyone know exactly what happened when we hired a pitching coach? I seem to remember that we tried to get the guy that was at Oregon state at the time but weren?t able to and then hired Foxhall. My question is, was Foxhall Lemonis? guy or was he suggested to him by Cohen?

I seem to remember that Lemonis didn?t bring his pitching coach from Indiana, supposedly in part b/c of some personal issues.

Also, I think Gautreau was strongly suggested to Lemonis, which made sense.

I just always had the feeling that Cohen was heavily involved in choosing assistants. Hell, Cohen probably had a lot more contacts than Lemonis.

[msstate7]

I hope the boosters share their perspective 7 if they feel the need and then let Zac do his job. I do believe he is capable of holding his own ground and making the best decision as he sees it. People with money don't necessarily possess wisdom.

Maybe they don't possess wisdom, but they certainly possess power

[SPMT]

Outside of giving yourself some personal satisfaction, what good does this do? Seriously? Ive said it before and I?ll say it again you dont fix a culture problem by firing an assistant. Foxhall isnt the problem. Hes a tick on the ass of the problem.

Agree 10%. Lemonis is done. He?s lost it.

I didn?t believe it until yesterday.

Getting rid of foxhall alone won?t chance anything. Just a bandaid.

Think I would clear the board including gautreau initially. Could walk that back on him. That?s an interview discussion we aren?t privy to.

[viverlibre]

If Lemonis was a Army commander at any level His boss would tell him this. Relieve Foxhall now and if I have to then you will be relieved with him.

Concur, but it rare for a military commander to get fired for incompetence. ;)

[EdwardDrayton]

Maybe they don't possess wisdom, but they certainly possess power

Thinking Keenum will be the determining leverage point in who has the power in this instance.

[State82]

Thinking Keenum will be the determining leverage point in who has the power in this instance.

Yeah. I'm thinking along that line also. Keenum and the influential baseball boosters will most probably be making this decision. Not many college presidents are as in tune with athletics as Keenum.

[Cooterpoot]

Outside of giving yourself some personal satisfaction, what good does this do? Seriously? Ive said it before and I?ll say it again you dont fix a culture problem by firing an assistant. Foxhall isnt the problem. Hes a tick on the ass of the problem.

What the 17 does it hurt? His guys aren't happy either. Lemonis shows he's the HC and has a some sort of set of balls. Cheese can call pitches. Foxhall isn't teaching these guys shit. Somebody has to be in charge. This idea we sit on our hands is why we're here now.

[Cooterpoot]

Thinking Keenum will be the determining leverage point in who has the power in this instance.

Keenum won't do a damn thing. He just hired an AD for that.

[EdwardDrayton]

Keenum won't do a damn thing. He just hired an AD for that.

I'm good with that Cooter. I'm thinking Zac has the sack for it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If Lemonis was a Army commander at any level His boss would tell him this. Relieve Foxhall now and if I have to then you will be relieved with him.
Bingo. Does Foxall have Nudes of Lemonis? wife or something?

[parabrave]

Does Foxhall even try to teach these kids on how to throw a breaking ball. Heck even Polk sat there when Davis I believe threw a breaking ball which got tagged and stated that there was no spin om the ball it just sat there waiting to get smacked. Polk stated that this kid has been throwing the same way all year. WTH Foxhall thats your job is to teach these kids.

[KB21]

Does Foxhall even try to teach these kids on how to throw a breaking ball. Heck even Polk sat there when Davis I believe threw a breaking ball which got tagged and stated that there was no spin om the ball it just sat there waiting to get smacked. Polk stated that this kid has been throwing the same way all year. WTH Foxhall thats your job is to teach these kids.

Yep. Davis has been this way all year. He can?t consistently throw strikes, and when he does get it across the plate, it gets hammered. Yet, Lemonis and Foxhall keep sending him out there.

[Todd4State]

Bingo. Does Foxall have Nudes of Lemonis? wife or something?

Now we know the real reason why Lemonis got into shape.

[KB21]

https://twitter.com/collegeballnat/status/1639810828655374336?s=46&t=boMwTsd5d1vappV0mJtn8g

[Todd4State]

Does anyone know exactly what happened when we hired a pitching coach? I seem to remember that we tried to get the guy that was at Oregon state at the time but weren?t able to and then hired Foxhall. My question is, was Foxhall Lemonis? guy or was he suggested to him by Cohen?

I seem to remember that Lemonis didn?t bring his pitching coach from Indiana, supposedly in part b/c of some personal issues.

Also, I think Gautreau was strongly suggested to Lemonis, which made sense.

I just always had the feeling that Cohen was heavily involved in choosing assistants. Hell, Cohen probably had a lot more contacts than Lemonis.

Foxhall had a good reputation when we hired him.

Somewhere along the way Foxhall has lost his way for whatever reason.

[Rawdawg]

What the 17 does it hurt? His guys aren't happy either. Lemonis shows he's the HC and has a some sort of set of balls. Cheese can call pitches. Foxhall isn't teaching these guys shit. Somebody has to be in charge. This idea we sit on our hands is why we're here now.

Lemonis pretending he has a ballsack isn?t doing the program any favors, and you?re right cheese can call pitches. So can I. So can you. So can Donald Duck. And so can Goofy. We?re not in the teaching stage of the season, we?re in the execution part. Firing Fox doesn?t do a damn thing to change the outlook of the season or the trajectory of the program. The season is over and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.

[Todd4State]

Lemonis pretending he has a ballsack isn?t doing the program any favors, and you?re right cheese can call pitches. So can I. So can you. So can Donald Duck. And so can Goofy. We?re not in the teaching stage of the season, we?re in the execution part. Firing Fox doesn?t do a damn thing to change the outlook of the season or the trajectory of the program. The season is over and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.

At this point it really doesn't hurt to fire Foxhall because we know he is shit and it is going to continue to be shit the rest of the year if he is still running the pitching staff.

If we can get someone to manage the staff better and pull pitchers sooner that in and of itself will lead to improvement.

So bringing someone else in might work and it might not- but keeping Foxhall won't work so I'm absolutely willing to try someone else. Some of our fans have to get this idea out of their heads that bringing someone else in midseason won't help anything. Last time we did something like that it worked out quite well with Henderson.

[AlSwearengen]

A former player posted on the other board about his discussions yesterday with people close to the baseball program. The big thing he mentioned was that there isn’t any talk of “patience”. He touched on approach at the plate a little bit.

Sounds like most everyone is on the same page.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

What has Gautreau and Cheesebrough done to keep their jobs? We suck at every aspect of baseball.

[The Federalist Engineer]

A former player posted on the other board about his discussions yesterday with people close to the baseball program. The big thing he mentioned was that there isn’t any talk of “patience”. He touched on approach at the plate a little bit.

Sounds like most everyone is on the same page.

I would think so, the stadium was built with Dynasty in mind. These dudes are taking us back to 2008. Can't have that.

These are not close, competitive games. Even you spend the entire day grilling and chitchatting, you still notice 26-3.

Thanks for posting this

[msstate7]

What has Gautreau and Cheesebrough done to keep their jobs? We suck at every aspect of baseball.

The better question is lemonis? It's his team

[MaroonFlounder]

If Dohm starts today and gets the W, that would save Fox.

For the first time in my life, I may root against that outcome, because Fox needs to go.

As Jackie Wayne used to say, it’s hard to reverse a train that is going downhill

[Cooterpoot]

If Dohm starts today and gets the W, that would save Fox.

For the first time in my life, I may root against that outcome, because Fox needs to go.

As Jackie Wayne used to say, it’s hard to reverse a train that is going downhill

Foxy is DONE and so is this staff. It would take a full blown turnaround to save them.

[TheLostDawg]

Fox should have been gone last year. Lemonis kept him now he's tied to fox. Lemonis can only hope a miracle happens and things work out at the end. Just don't see it getting better without fox though don't see how it gets worse. Unless we can hire a pitching coach, I really don't care. Even then who would we get. Probably better options at the end of the season. Who would come knowing it's just for half the season and then it's likely a new staff and you have your name stuck with guys who have to be "fixed" mid-season.
My guess is we keep him and we don't make the tournament and then they are both gone. Lemonis didn't make the "hard" decision now he's going to pay the price

[Rawdawg]

At this point it really doesn't hurt to fire Foxhall because we know he is shit and it is going to continue to be shit the rest of the year if he is still running the pitching staff.

If we can get someone to manage the staff better and pull pitchers sooner that in and of itself will lead to improvement.

So bringing someone else in might work and it might not- but keeping Foxhall won't work so I'm absolutely willing to try someone else. Some of our fans have to get this idea out of their heads that bringing someone else in midseason won't help anything. Last time we did something like that it worked out quite well with Henderson.

The 2018 team had leadership and testicles in the locker room too. Those players didn?t quit, the 2023 team has quit. Realistically we are looking at somewhere between 7-9 conference wins.

[Todd4State]

The 2018 team had leadership and testicles in the locker room too. Those players didn?t quit, the 2023 team has quit. Realistically we are looking at somewhere between 7-9 conference wins.

What do you want Hancock to do? Start making pitching changes? Tell Foxhall to start individualizing pitching programs? Call pitches from first base?

There's only so much the players can do.

Jake Mangum and Tanner Allen wouldn't make our situation better in the mound.

[lfl]

Interim pitching coaches I would call...
Roy Oswalt
Jay Powell
Trevor Fitts
Russ McNickle

I'm sure there are several others that would be willing to help, but even if they all said no, I think we'd be better served without a pitching coach than keeping the one we have.

This is the very last opportunity to make a change before this team's post-season fate is sealed, so if there's any possibility that this team can make a run, it has to start with dramatic change to what we are doing on the mound. Yes, the odds are between slim and none, but it's clear that we aren't fixing anything by making some tweaks in how we manage the games. We have to get these guys pitching like they are capable of.

[msstate7]

What do you want Hancock to do? Start making pitching changes? Tell Foxhall to start individualizing pitching programs? Call pitches from first base?

There's only so much the players can do.

Jake Mangum and Tanner Allen wouldn't make our situation better in the mound.

Pitching isn't our only issue.

Dead last in fielding and pitching. Middle of pack in hitting. Offense is certainly our strength, but it isn't good. We're a bad all around team

[Todd4State]

Pitching isn't our only issue.

Dead last in fielding and pitching. Middle of pack in hitting. Offense is certainly our strength, but it isn't good. We're a bad all around team

It isn't our only issue but just having "good leadership" from the players isn't going to solve the main issue.

Those other issues- it's harder to make players give a shit about them when the pitching staff is giving up 16 a game.