Back in the ncaa tourney vs Pittsburgh game thread

[Dawgology]

Yeah. This team played hard this year just lacks shooters. Hopefully Jan’s starts getting his guys in this next season and we are able to build on this. Pretty clear we aren’t keeping 8 SEC teams in the 64.

[Lord McBuckethead]

That was a foul.

[LC Dawg]

This is horseshit.

[Goldendawg]

Reed in.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We are going to win this game.

Take the open 17n shot.

[msstate7]

We've played 10. They've played 7. They have more legs than us right now.

[662dawg]

We have got to improve at guard next year. Shak cannot ever see the floor at point. Ever.

[Goldendawg]

We've played 10. They've played 7. They have more legs than us right now.

Our starters don't don't play enough to work on their stamina.***

[Maroonthirteen]

Sphincter is cheater pipe tight.

Jans needs to inject some ice water into some veins.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Reed in.

And we turn the ball over 4 consecutive possessions and have one foul called on a rebound. None of it had anything to do with Reed, but it doesn?t have nothing to do with him either. Either way, shit doesn?t work with him on the court and it hasn?t the entire year.

He is tough and does make some crazy athletic defensive plays and rebounds. But we need people on the court that can put the ball through the rim.

If we go 4-8 down the stretch and hit 3 of 4 foul shots we win. First one to 63 wins.

[CaptainObvious]

Shak Moore playing offense like he is trying to make assist Macro Pitt now. Does he no know what color we are wearing? I knew us wearing black uniforms some this year was going to bite us.

[msstate7]

We probably done

[KOdawg1]

That'll do it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

That is 0-3 already.
Got to get Reed out of there. Down 6 pts now.

[msstate7]

Ball game. Tolu completely disappeared against a guy getting his first start

[StarkVegasSteve]

That's it

[parabrave]

Well that's it.

[SailingDawg]

We probably done

When a team makes a Hail Mary three like that? We done.

[LC Dawg]

Well, ****.

[dawgday166]

Sphincter is cheater pipe tight.

Jans needs to inject some ice water into some veins.

I love Jans but don't think he's done a good job of tournament coaching this year.

[Maroonthirteen]

Welp ...... can we score 6 in 3 minutes? And allow none??

[662dawg]

We have to fix the guard problem next year. Can't shoot or pass the ball.

[CJDAWG85]

Ball game. They were way more talented shooting than us and it finally got to us. We are just throwing shit up now.

[Goldendawg]

And we turn the ball over 4 consecutive possessions and have one foul called on a rebound. None of it had anything to do with Reed, but it doesn?t have nothing to do with him either. Either way, shit doesn?t work with him on the court and it hasn?t the entire year.

He is tough and does make some crazy athletic defensive plays and rebounds. But we need people on the court that can put the ball through the rim.

If we go 4-8 down the stretch and hit 3 of 4 foul shots we win. First one to 63 wins.

He just missed another three.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Subs cost us this game. Reed should've never been put on scholarship, much less be playing in a big game.

[msstate7]

Horrible

[CaptainObvious]

Embarrassing offense by this team. I actually think we destroy our offense by playing such intense defense.

[IngomarDawg]

Tolu has disappeared in this game

[Dawgology]

I love Jans but don't think he's done a good job of tournament coaching this year.

You’re crazy. He’s got here with ZERO players that can shoot the basketball. Now if we still can’t shoot the basketball I. Year 2-3 it’s an issue but we HAVE to recruit players who can actually make baskets.

[Lord McBuckethead]

0-4. Damn. Down 6 with 2:03. Just get an open look.

[msstate7]

That bean pole owns cam and tolu

[parabrave]

Well crap DJ comes through/

[msstate7]

Defense has been our calling card all year. We need a stop. Step up

[Goldendawg]

Subs cost us this game. Reed should've never been put on scholarship, much less be playing in a big game.

No, if we lose, Jans cost the game playing them in mass substitution patterns, especially tonight.

[Lord McBuckethead]

2-3 since. Need a clean stop and an old fashion 3 pt play on the other end. Tolu. Please man. Get a steal and start something down court. Right NOW.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Why even guard their big down low. Mathews should have jumped that drive hard.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Tolu has gotten beat in crunch time on defense in every big game

[Lord McBuckethead]

I want Davis to have the ball. Davis and no one else.

[parabrave]

Dam wish they missed that foul

[parabrave]

Crap/

[CaptainObvious]

25 freaking second half points. Sad sad offense.

[Goldendawg]

Well, almost everyone got to play.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Missed a wide open 3 for the loss. That is about right.

[msstate7]

Tolu owned by a shit player

[662dawg]

Well Shak was WIDE open. I hope all of our guards transfer out.

[Maroonthirteen]

Come on. You knew this team wasn't going to advance. They can't shoot for shit. They are the Croom 2007 football team, no offense but lucked into wins. Same this year with basketball. The most non shooting team I've ever seen make post season play.

[msstate7]

Jans set up a MFing 3 for our last shot. Complete DA

[Lord McBuckethead]

Good season fellas. Hubbard will make that next year.

[LC Dawg]

We had our shot at the end and missed it. Twice. Good season. Sucks that it's over.

[CJDAWG85]

That sums up the year. Lose to a shit team but we cant shoot. We get a clean look and clean tip in and can?t hit either.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No, if we lose, Jans cost the game playing them in mass substitution patterns, especially tonight.

Yeah probably.

[662dawg]

Jans set up a MFing 3 for our last shot. Complete DA

That was NOT plan A

[msstate7]

Good season fellas. Hubbard will make that next year.

And why do you take a 3 when a 2 will win it?

[ZedFedder]

This team was always super limited. They made it much farther than I thought they would.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Jans is coach of the year bc boys that is not a very good bunch of basketball players talent wise

[Maroonthirteen]

Tolu owned by a shit player

Really that was the biggest surprise. I see he had 13 points. I would not have guessed that. It was a quiet 13. Especially considering they didn't have their starting center.

[Msujd164]

Tolu disappeared. We still can?t shoot.

[smootness]

Jans set up a MFing 3 for our last shot. Complete DA

That clearly wasn't where the ball was set up to go. Davis just saw Moore wide open. And I'm ok with that look. Can't believe DJ missed that tip.

[IngomarDawg]

How does Tolu get dominated by a freshman that he outweighs by 50 pounds please explain that to me

[BankerDog]

Tolu owned by a shit player

Ah nothing quite like a guy who couldn?t make his middle school team at Winston Academy talking crap about a guy who will make more money playing the sport in one year then 3/4 will in five years.

[dawgday166]

Jans set up a MFing 3 for our last shot. Complete DA

I didn't understand that either. Not gonna get down on Jans but he really did a very poor job of tournament coaching this year IMO. We played horrible in both SEC tourney games and got lucky to beat FL. Didn't play as badly tonight but got a result I kinda expected to get really. I certainly didn't expect to make it past the next game for sure.

[trob115]

Shak had plenty of time to drive the lane.

I can't be mad at this team. They out performed all expectations. Jans is a heck of a coach, top 15 in basketball. Just get the man a couple shooters.

[BankerDog]

That sums up the year. Lose to a shit team but we cant shoot. We get a clean look and clean tip in and can?t hit either.

Wasn?t exactly clean, bud. Hope you?re doing well.

[Goldendawg]

Tolu owned by a shit player

He often has trouble with players his own size or physical as he plays a mainly finesse game.

[msstate7]

This team was always super limited. They made it much farther than I thought they would.

We shoulda won this game. They're big didn't play. Their leading scorer missed almost the whole game bc of foul trouble. Jans played way too many guys, and tolu got punked

[662dawg]

Jans is coach of the year bc boys that is not a very good bunch of basketball players talent wise

Literally the worst shooting team in the history of MSU basketball. Has to be.we have to get a shooter in the portal to go with Fort & Hubbard. Shak had to be the 3rd or 4th guard next year of we are going to be any better. & Cam also completely disappeared the last 3-5 games.

[dawgday166]

Shak had plenty of time to drive the lane.

I can't be mad at this team. They out performed all expectations. Jans is a heck of a coach, top 15 in basketball. Just get the man a couple shooters.

He certainly had plenty of room to come in for a shorter jumper.

[662dawg]

We shoulda won this game. They're big didn't play. Their leading scorer missed almost the whole game bc of foul trouble. Jans played way too many guys, and tolu got punked

Jans can't hit the shots for them. The starters couldn't put the game away either & we had foul trouble. It comes down to talent. They had much better guard talent than us.

[KB21]

Bottom line. You have to be able to hit open threes. It?s the most important shot in the modern game.

[Goldendawg]

Jans is coach of the year bc boys that is not a very good bunch of basketball players talent wise

Especially the subs. Wonder what total points vs. minutes played were?

[662dawg]

They're showing it now. It was suppose to be a lob to Tulu

[CJDAWG85]

I?m good bud. I said theyd make their shot and we would miss ours. Classic State

[msstate7]

Jans can't hit the shots for them. The starters couldn't put the game away either & we had foul trouble. It comes down to talent. They had much better guard talent than us.

Jans is great, but he isn't above criticism. He emptied the bench when we were up 6 early in the game. 10-0 Pitt run. That matters. You can't do that in the tourney. The TOs are longer... you get more rest. Play your horses

[msstate7]

We lost a game we outrebounded a team by 21

[CaptainObvious]

Cam was supposed to Brandon Vincent. Instead he became the Incredible Shrinking Man. Our 2 guards carried us offensively but could not prevent their 3?s or dribble drives without fouling

[Goldendawg]

Come on. You knew this team wasn't going to advance. They can't shoot for shit. They are the Croom 2007 football team, no offense but lucked into wins. Same this year with basketball. The most non shooting team I've ever seen make post season play.

Don't insult Croom and Woody's offense.******

[Commercecomet24]

Jans is great, but he isn't above criticism. He emptied the bench when we were up 6 early in the game. 10-0 Pitt run. That matters. You can't do that in the tourney. The TOs are longer... you get more rest. Play your horses

I said the same thing when it happened and it broke our rhythm and lost the momentum. Overall Jans gets an A from me though. Very good season!

[MoreCowbell]

Jans is coach of the year bc boys that is not a very good bunch of basketball players talent wise

Bigger, taller, stronger, faster and more athletic. Should have won that game by 10 points. Cam and Tolu no showed

[Tripp McNeely]

It will thrill my heart not to set Stevenson come off the bench next year. That guy kills us

[smootness]

He certainly had plenty of room to come in for a shorter jumper.

I'm ok with the shot. These guys practice the corner 3 more than they do the same shot from 10 feet closer.

[KB21]

Cam had some bullshit fouls called on him that affected his play down the stretch.

[Goldendawg]

We shoulda won this game. They're big didn't play. Their leading scorer missed almost the whole game bc of foul trouble. Jans played way too many guys, and tolu got punked

We lost to vandy with their big out and almost lost to FL with their big out also.

[CaptainObvious]

We will have a mostly different team next year and could possibly end up better offensively. That says a lot about the players that Howland left. Bull crap on his recruiting ability. If you ain?t recruiting shooters, you ain?t recruiting for basketball. Athletes are for football. Shooters are for basketball.

And hell. They would even be athletic on the court if the NCAA mandated proper dribbling instead of palming they ball. The so called hesitation move is just blatant palming.

[msstate7]

We lost to vandy with their big out and almost lost to FL with their big out also.

aTm was our Super Bowl. We've been trash ever since that great win

[dawgday166]

I'm ok with the shot. These guys practice the corner 3 more than they do the same shot from 10 feet closer.

Haha ... well that may be but they don't make them as much as the shorter shots.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We lost to vandy with their big out and almost lost to FL with their big out also.

Tolu. Makes him defend the perimeter and it puts a finesse guy on a finesse guy. I have never seen a big man miss so many layups or even attempt so many as he does. He was our best offensive weapon and he won the Howell for a reason. But it says a lot that he was our best option

[KB21]

The old style inside out, feed the post game will not win in today?s basketball. We have to get better shooting the ball. Take more threes be fewer long twos. Get to the line. Space the floor.

[Commercecomet24]

We will have a mostly different team next year and could possibly end up better offensively. That says a lot about the players that Howland left. Bull crap on his recruiting ability. If you ain?t recruiting shooters, you ain?t recruiting for basketball. Athletes are for football. Shooters are for basketball.

Well said and I agree. Jan's worked some magic with this team.

[msstate7]

Haha ... well that may be but they don't make them as much as the shorter shots.

I'm with you. We practice them enough to know we aren't very good at them

[LC Dawg]

I'm ok with the shot. These guys practice the corner 3 more than they do the same shot from 10 feet closer.

Yep. And you drive closer you lose the tip in opportunity. We missed both which isn't surprising because this team is not good offensively. It's not a shock.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm ok with the shot. These guys practice the corner 3 more than they do the same shot from 10 feet closer.

I'm fine with the shot. As a college player in a P6 conference you're supposed to make that shot 100 times out of 100. He was the only guy on that side of the floor.

[msstate7]

The old style inside out, feed the post game will not win in today?s basketball. We have to get better shooting the ball. Take more threes be fewer long twos. Get to the line. Space the floor.

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[662dawg]

Jans is great, but he isn't above criticism. He emptied the bench when we were up 6 early in the game. 10-0 Pitt run. That matters. You can't do that in the tourney. The TOs are longer... you get more rest. Play your horses

You can criticize all you want but his coaching style didn't change tonight. I mean Matthews hasn't given us anything for two weeks so playing Jones Jr & Stevenson didn't hurt us there. He only sit Davis in the second half bc he had too. Bottom line is we didn't hit the same shots we haven't hit all year. You're not gonna win many games shooting 26% from 3's especially when you take 23 of them & tolu got whooped all night inside, unfortunately. We just have to get better shooters.

[Tripp McNeely]

The old style inside out, feed the post game will not win in today?s basketball. We have to get better shooting the ball. Take more threes be fewer long twos. Get to the line. Space the floor.

I think we were forced to play that way because of lack of outside scoring

[dawgday166]

KB's new campaign

LMAO ... I was thinking same thing ... "Here we go again!"

[Commercecomet24]

I'm fine with the shot. As a college player in a P6 conference you're supposed to make that shot 100 times out of 100. He was the only guy on that side of the floor.

Wide freaking open.

[smootness]

The old style inside out, feed the post game will not win in today?s basketball. We have to get better shooting the ball. Take more threes be fewer long twos. Get to the line. Space the floor.

Yes and no. You're right that you really need a team who can hit those shots...but if you don't have that team, you have to do something else. Can't just keep shooting them.

I actually thought our gameplan in the 2nd half was a really good one, and we turned up the heat even more defensively. Just could not make anything and couldn't keep from turning it over.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We will have a mostly different team next year and could possibly end up better offensively. That says a lot about the players that Howland left. Bull crap on his recruiting ability. If you ain?t recruiting shooters, you ain?t recruiting for basketball. Athletes are for football. Shooters are for basketball.

And we need a mostly different team. We need to find shooters. We currently have 0 on our team and we need a minimum of 5. You need two to three shooters starting and a couple on your bench.

[Goldendawg]

Jans is great, but he isn't above criticism. He emptied the bench when we were up 6 early in the game. 10-0 Pitt run. That matters. You can't do that in the tourney. The TOs are longer... you get more rest. Play your horses

Thisn and it wasn't the first time the subs lost a lead or destroyed our momentum this year, especially in the first half. Sorry for beating this dead horse. I'm done.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jans did a hell of a job with this team. He took a team with zero shooters, little to no bench production, and starters that disappeared the last quarter of the season and made the NCAA tournament.

Jans also probably lost the game because he kept trying to put Eric Reed in there to jack up shots and play awful defense.

[CaptainObvious]

I'm fine with the shot. As a college player in a P6 conference you're supposed to make that shot 100 times out of 100. He was the only guy on that side of the floor.

Notre Dame?s girl guard would have made that shot with Blair Schaefer in her face. Winners make the shot. Losers have a long ride home.

[Commercecomet24]

Jans did a hell of a job with this team. He took a team with zero shooters, little to no bench production, and starters that disappeared the last quarter of the season and made the NCAA tournament.

This. The guys a winner and we're only gonna get better

[msstate7]

Shak from 3: 26.4%
Shak from 2: 52.6%

^^^ season stats

[dawgday166]

Actually JMHO ... with Jeffries, Davis, and Shak I think the shooting is a mental thing. They have good mechanics when they follow thru smoothly with the wrist curled over. They also need a lot of space to shoot ... also a mental thing.

So I kinda wonder ... why is it a mental thing so much.

[Goldendawg]

We will have a mostly different team next year and could possibly end up better offensively. That says a lot about the players that Howland left. Bull crap on his recruiting ability. If you ain?t recruiting shooters, you ain?t recruiting for basketball. Athletes are for football. Shooters are for basketball.

And hell. They would even be athletic on the court if the NCAA mandated proper dribbling instead of palming they ball. The so called hesitation move is just blatant palming.

Pickings may have been slim at the time, but Davis was the only recruit he brought in that was a steady contributor after he got well.

[662dawg]

Jans did a hell of a job with this team. He took a team with zero shooters, little to no bench production, and starters that disappeared the last quarter of the season and made the NCAA tournament.

Jans also probably lost the game because he kept trying to put Eric Reed in there to jack up shots and play awful defense.

This. You have to play the hand you're dealt. The fact is we weren't good at the guard position at all, Cam totally disappeared & you never knew what you were going to get with DJ or Shak.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Actually JMHO ... with Jeffries, Davis, and Shak I think the shooting is a mental thing. They have good mechanics when they follow thru smoothly with the wrist curled over. They also need a lot of space to shoot ... also a mental thing.

So I kinda wonder ... why is it a mental thing so much.

Whether it's mental or not we need to bring in guys who can shoot and don't have a mental block. Those 3 don't shoot it well enough to warrant being on the floor. If we're going to have to continue to play through the post then we're going to have to surround Tolu with 4 shooters.

[parabrave]

They're showing it now. It was suppose to be a lob to Tulu

Coach just said that on the postgame show but Shak was so open.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Shak from 3: 26.4%
Shak from 2: 52.6%

^^^ season stats

Then he needs to be replaced. 26% can't play at this level if you're a guard. Especially if you're a guard on a team that plays inside out.

[KB21]

I think we were forced to play that way because of lack of outside scoring

Agree. Historically, his team has around 43% of their shots from three.

[tcdog70]

Just tip the Miss in DJ?it was on a silver platter. 17 me running!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just tip the Miss in DJ?it was on a silver platter. 17 me running!

Yep. Going back and watching it all he had to do was dunk it in or put it soft off the glass. Instead he tried to tip it in with one hand.

[CaptainObvious]

Then he needs to be replaced. 26% can't play at this level if you're a guard. Especially if you're a guard on a team that plays inside out.

He also had 3 unforced turnovers while driving into the paint and not looking where he is passing it. He made 3 perfect passes to the team in black tonight in scoring opportunities that were wasted. It was a talent deficiency and the committee knew it and put State right where the tram belonged. And State proved them right. Well on the Spring Football now.

[smootness]

Shak from 3: 26.4%
Shak from 2: 52.6%

^^^ season stats

Haha it's not quite that simple.

[smootness]

Yep. Going back and watching it all he had to do was dunk it in or put it soft off the glass. Instead he tried to tip it in with one hand.

To be fair to him, it's impossible to know in the moment how much time you have left, so he was obviously trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Haha it's not quite that simple.

Unfortunately it is. 26% from 3 will not cut it at any level of basketball for a guard. And unless we change our style of play we need shooters in at least 3 of the 4 other spots on the floor.

[CaptainObvious]

To be fair to him, it's impossible to know in the moment how much time you have left, so he was obviously trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible.

Yep. If he had tipped it in this conversation would be a lot different.🙄

[Churchill]

He also had 3 unforced turnovers while driving into the paint and not looking where he is passing it. He made 3 perfect passes to the team in black tonight in scoring opportunities that were wasted. It was a talent deficiency and the committee knew it and put State right where the tram belonged. And State proved them right. Well on the Spring Football now.

We had 14 turnovers they had 6. This is what beat us IMO,

[StarkVegasSteve]

To be fair to him, it's impossible to know in the moment how much time you have left, so he was obviously trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible.

Oh agreed. I think my biggest gripe was why Moore didn't drive straight to the basket. He could've gotten to 8-10 ft before anyone could've contested it. And if Vanilla Gorilla comes out just lob it up and let Cam, Tolu, or DJ flush it for the win. Again, hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to say all that not in the moment.

[KB21]

Unfortunately it is. 26% from 3 will not cut it at any level of basketball for a guard. And unless we change our style of play we need shooters in at least 3 of the 4 other spots on the floor.

Need shooters at all 5 spots. The 5 out offense is the way.

[Goldendawg]

If only McNair or Reed had made their three.*****

[StarkVegasSteve]

Need shooters at all 5 spots. The 5 out offense is the way.

Not necessarily. I like how Bama plays with their 5. Bediako is no threat to shoot a 3 but the other 4 are lethal. If we're going to continue to have a big man, which I imagine Jans will continue to utilize then we need to go to that type of offense.

[CaptainObvious]

Welp. My Final 4 is already busted after tonight so I guess I am through watching mens basketball until Late October.

[dawgday166]

If only McNair or Reed had made their three.*****

LOL ... I was so mad at McNair for that dumbass shot that if Tolu hadn't been in foul trouble and I was coach ... I'd probably sat McNair down till the middle of next season sometime.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Welp. My Final 4 is already busted after tonight so I guess I am through watching mens basketball until Late October.


I'm out on the tournament for at least 36 hours. That one hurt.

[Goldendawg]

Welp. My Final 4 is already busted after tonight so I guess I am through watching mens basketball until Late October.

I'm with you. Just want bama beat asap. On to a run in baseball & Spring football, where we are undefeated in 2023 and hope springs eternal! Hail State!

[HoopsDawg]

They've played 7 guys tonight. Let's see if jans using 10 pays off down the stretch

It didn't. Depth is HIGHLY overrated in the NCAAT with the longer commercial breaks

[StarkVegasSteve]

It didn't. Depth is HIGHLY overrated in the NCAAT with the longer commercial breaks

That and 3 out of the 10 guys we played tonight were borderline unplayable. That would be Reed, Jones, and Matthews. I actually liked the effort we got from McNair, Murphy, and Stevenson off the bench.

I always revert back to an old quote I heard from Chris Vernon a few years ago when the Grizzlies were in the doldrums of the post Grit N Grind era. You have to accumulate guys on your roster that don't suck. We have 3-4 guys that consistently don't suck (Tolu, Rams, and Shak. Jeffries doesn't suck most of the time). To take the next step we need 6-8 that don't suck. That doesn't sound like a huge jump, but right now it's the difference between us and a team like Bama.

[R2Dawg]

We had 14 turnovers they had 6. This is what beat us IMO,

Yep not a good stat.

But in a 1 point game, you can point to any one play that makes a difference.

I said it when it happened - the Tolu foul when he scored inside took 2 pts off board for us. A horrible call in one of many but that one took 2 pts off our side. That one play called correctly or just really a no call and we win.

[msstate7]

I really didn't have much of a gripe with officiating except when Davis got called for 2 fouls back-to-back when we had his hand on the ball. Both shoulda been no calls/tie ups

[basedog]

I really didn't have much of a gripe with officiating except when Davis got called for 2 fouls back-to-back when we had his hand on the ball. Both shoulda been no calls/tie ups

Yes, bad calls and we had to sit Davis with those fouls for a few minutes, he was carrying us on offense plus. To me those were game changing moments, we were ahead and had a chance to extend each time.

[Rawdawg]

We had 14 turnovers they had 6. This is what beat us IMO,

This and our bench scored 6 points on 3/17 shooting.

[CaptainObvious]

This and our bench scored 6 points on 3/17 shooting.

Yep. I don?t think the bench is bad, just can?t play all of them at the same time. It?s unfortunate, but unless he can convince Murphy to stay our highest ranked recruit is likely to transfer out because of playing time. But I like the potential from Murphy and Jones going into next year. Hope we keep them.

[Goldendawg]

Yep. I don?t think the bench is bad, just can?t play all of them at the same time. It?s unfortunate, but unless he can convince Murphy to stay our highest ranked recruit is likely to transfer out because of playing time. But I like the potential from Murphy and Jones going into next year. Hope we keep them.

3/17 with heavy minutes our bench was bad as it was most of the year. Hope we keep Murphy, Jones, and Russell. Horton (quit), Reed, McNair (we can replace his threes*), Stevenson (a couple of good games), when substituted together 2 to 3 at a time killed our offense and leads in several games.