Alabama Basketball

[archdog]

So Miller gets to deliver a murder weapon to the murderer knowing he needed a gun to handle his business and still get the opportunity to play tonight and score 41 points? Awesome. Now we all understand how much power you can have when you win games. If Bama was 1-13 in the SEC that guy would be in jail looking at charges of accessory to murder.

[msstate7]

Gotta figure the victim's family is gonna sue him come draft time. Maybe you can't prove accessory to murder, but you could make a wrongful death case. If he didn't provide the gun...

[Ari Gold]

Brandon Killer ...

[archdog]

Gotta figure the victim's family is gonna sue him come draft time. Maybe you can't prove accessory to murder, but you could make a wrongful death case. If he didn't provide the gun...

I could see a scenario where the murderer hid his gun in Millers car and then told him to bring his car because he left something in the back seat and needed to get his stuff back, without Miller even knowing what it is. But, yeah I am pretty sure he knew exactly what it was and exactly what he needed it for. What an idiot.

[msudawg1200]

I could see a scenario where the murderer hid his gun in Millers car and then told him to bring his car because he left something in the back seat and needed to get his stuff back, without Miller even knowing what it is. But, yeah I am pretty sure he knew exactly what it was and exactly what he needed it for. What an idiot.

It's already confirmed Miller was asked and brought the gun to Miles, and also told Miles there was a bullet in it

[Ari Gold]

Think about the media coverage blasting we took for

The brawl in Hawaii and the post game fight after the bowl game with Tulsa

[R2Dawg]

Think about the media coverage blasting we took for

The brawl in Hawaii and the post game fight after the bowl game with Tulsa

Yeah, but they are Bama. SEC got their back too.

[R2Dawg]

Brandon Killer ...

Ha good one.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So Miller gets to deliver a murder weapon to the murderer knowing he needed a gun to handle his business and still get the opportunity to play tonight and score 41 points? Awesome. Now we all understand how much power you can have when you win games. If Bama was 1-13 in the SEC that guy would be in jail looking at charges of accessory to murder.

He's got good lawyers. Their statement gives him plausible deniability. He may have known that the gun was in the car, but to say he without a shadow of a doubt he knew that the gun was going to be used you can't do. It's got to be beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal cases and there's enough doubt there. No prosecutor is going to a touch that case. It's not winnable in a legal sense and he would take a public shellacking when the not guilty verdict came in. They'll give him immunity to testify. I imagine that's already been worked out.

Now, civil wise, he's going to be sued out the ass.

[Goldendawg]

He will fit in fine in the NBA, which I quit watching about 20 years ago.

[SPMT]

It's already confirmed Miller was asked and brought the gun to Miles, and also told Miles there was a bullet in it

The transcript I read said Miles told Miller there was a bullet in the chamber.

[RocketDawg]

A couple of the Bama fans I know think it's no big deal. I suspect that opinion is widespread.

Has Tusk opined? He's a reasonable Alabama fan.

[Pancho]

He knew well what the possibilities were when he brought the gun. It's simply the culture that the majority of college basketball players are brought up in.

[Ranchdawg]

Like I read somewhere else hypothetically me my buddy pull up to a Convenience store. Buddy goes in store I stay in the car. Buddy pulls a gun that I had no idea buddy had and shoots kills clerk at store. Runs out jumps in car and I drive buddy away.

I would most assuredly be charged with murder accessory after the fact. Why is Miller?s case not the exact same. Regardless if Miles texted him and regardless if Miller read the text. Has no bearing. Miller drove Miles to the location of the shooting. Period end of discussion. Thus making Miller accessory to murder.

[Cowbell]

Like I read somewhere else hypothetically me my buddy pull up to a Convenience store. Buddy goes in store I stay in the car. Buddy pulls a gun that I had no idea buddy had and shoots kills clerk at store. Runs out jumps in car and I drive buddy away.

I would most assuredly be charged with murder accessory after the fact. Why is Miller?s case not the exact same. Regardless if Miles texted him and regardless if Miller read the text. Has no bearing. Miller drove Miles to the location of the shooting. Period end of discussion. Thus making Miller accessory to murder.

You would be an accessory because you drove the getaway vehicle - totally different.

The biggest problem I have with the story is that Miller used his vehicle to block the victims vehicle in the parking lot - that should make him an accessory

[Liverpooldawg]

At 95% of the schools in the NCAA that guy would be at minimum suspended from the team. At most he would be gone until he got out of the CHARGES. (if he ever did), because at most he would have been charged with a VERY serious felony. Greg Byrne has revealed what he actually is here. I'm glad he isn't at MSU.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Like I read somewhere else hypothetically me my buddy pull up to a Convenience store. Buddy goes in store I stay in the car. Buddy pulls a gun that I had no idea buddy had and shoots kills clerk at store. Runs out jumps in car and I drive buddy away.

I would most assuredly be charged with murder accessory after the fact. Why is Miller?s case not the exact same. Regardless if Miles texted him and regardless if Miller read the text. Has no bearing. Miller drove Miles to the location of the shooting. Period end of discussion. Thus making Miller accessory to murder.

Well first off, Miller wasn't in the same car as Miles so that takes out accessory after the fact. Secondly, you cannot say with 100% certainty that he knew what the gun was going to be used for. Criminal cases must be beyond a reasonable doubt and there's plenty of doubt. The only they they could charge him with accessory after the fact is if they somehow could prove that he was told to block the street with the car. However, it's an easy defense there because he could just say he was waiting to pick someone up. The only thing realistically they could try to charge him with is accessory before the fact and there would have to be irrefutable evidence that he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that a murder was being committed. There's a ton of ways you can take the messages that would cloud a jury's decision making. No DA would take that to trial with that many extenuating circumstances. It's not winnable unless they have evidence they haven't made anyone privy to.

[StarkVegasSteve]

At 95% of the schools in the NCAA that guy would be at minimum suspended from the team. At most he would be gone until he got out of the CHARGES. (if he ever did), because at most he would have been charged with a VERY serious felony. Greg Byrne has revealed what he actually is here. I'm glad he isn't at MSU.


There's no charges to get out of. He hasn't been charged with anything and accd. to the Tuscaloosa DA he isn't going to be charged with anything. I'm not trying to defend the guy because I agree that he should be suspended but I don't know what exactly you're suspending him for or how to determine the length of the suspension.

[TUSK]

A couple of the Bama fans I know think it's no big deal. I suspect that opinion is widespread.

Has Tusk opined? He's a reasonable Alabama fan.

Dude is a straight up hood rat that should be put on his knees and tied to a stump... in a swamp... and let the rattlers, bugs, and alligators do the rest.

[Pancho]

Vegas and Tusk both with the kill shot

[archdog]

The transcript I read said Miles told Miller there was a bullet in the chamber.

Well that is just good gun safety. If anyone told me to pick up a weapon, first I would assume it was loaded but also the person asking should also state that it is in fact loaded.

[archdog]

Remember Saban calling for Simmons to not be allowed to play college football.

[SPMT]

Well that is just good gun safety. If anyone told me to pick up a weapon, first I would assume it was loaded but also the person asking should also state that it is in fact loaded.

Of course.
Let?s be honest though, that?s somewhat rare. Not that many competitive shooters, cops, or mil running around. And there a lot of cops and mil that are huge dumbasses, so that further narrows things.

[R2Dawg]

Dude is a straight up hood rat that should be put on his knees and tied to a stump... in a swamp... and let the rattlers, bugs, and alligators do the rest.

Hey Tusk you forgot the *****

[SPMT]

Dude is a straight up hood rat that should be put on his knees and tied to a stump... in a swamp... and let the rattlers, bugs, and alligators do the rest.

Man, I don?t know anything about the dude, but in all honesty if the DA isn?t charging him, then there?s no reason to suspend.

It?s very plausible that he didn?t even know the gun was in the car until miles asked miller to let him get his (miles) gun out miller?s car.

I?m not sure any of you would tell your friend/teammate/whomever that you are not giving them their gun, especially if they tell you they feel threatened, likes miles told Miller.

You 100% would take someone their gun, especially if they felt threatened and/or have a few screws loose.

[SailingDawg]

Man, I don?t know anything about the dude, but in all honesty if the DA isn?t charging him, then there?s no reason to suspend.



Are they going to present evidence to a Grand Jury and let them decide?

[Pancho]

At this point, I think that's what Oats and crew are afraid of.