State vs mizzou basketball GDT

[msstate7]

Got to have it

[EdwardDrayton]

Got to have it

Yep. Let's do this thang.

[msstate7]

I cannot stand a late call

[msstate7]

If Moore and Davis shoot 35% from 3 from here out, we'll dance

[EdwardDrayton]

Dawgs with a strong showing out of the gate!!

[EdwardDrayton]

If Moore and Davis shoot 35% from 3 from here out, we'll dance

That is the key to the tourney door

[msstate7]

We (fans) need to pony up whatever it takes to get tolu back next season

[EdwardDrayton]

We pause for this commercial break to share Kermit takes another L to go 1-9 in conference. We now return to the game.

[msstate7]

We pause for this commercial break to share Kermit takes another L to go 1-9 in conference. We now return to the game.
I really hope we end up with Hubbard.

[civildawg]

Man this team would be good with a scorer like Mosley

[LC Dawg]

Inside/outside game of Tolu and Shak is fun to watch.

[EdwardDrayton]

Damn. We gotta get a handle on Gholston.

[msstate7]

Jans love affair with Jones is puzzling

[R2Dawg]

Refs giving Mizzou this game.

[R2Dawg]

Jans love affair with Jones is puzzling

Yeah he needs mop up minutes and that is it.

[msstate7]

Only Davis and Moore should have the green light for a transition 3. Nobody else should attempt a 3 unless the ball has at least been in the paint

[LC Dawg]

I'm not sure who the announcer is that's constantly blowing Missouri but it's getting tiresome.

[msstate7]

We're winning, but I'm worried. They've only hit 1 three and they're very much in this.

[R2Dawg]

Dang refs Tolu mugged

[R2Dawg]

Funny the Mizzou player a min ago thought he wanted some of Cam

[EdwardDrayton]

Refs giving Mizzou this game.

Isn't that the truth

[msstate7]

Cam just ran out of bounds like he's drunk

[LC Dawg]

We've played well lately but we still have periods of very bad basketball.

[HoopsDawg]

Cam just ran out of bounds like he's drunk

Nope. They called him for a charge

[msstate7]

I hate the alternate possession arrow. These are men! Let em jump!

[parabrave]

Need Shak to get more shots. DJ shouldn't even think about a 3 again/

[msstate7]

Nope. They called him for a charge

He has 1 foul at the 18:12 mark

[HoopsDawg]

Need Shak to get more shots. DJ shouldn't even think about a 3 again/

Unfortunately he's on the bench with 2 fouls. We are -5 with him on the bench

[R2Dawg]

Someone has got in DJs ear; that is the DJ we need to see

[msstate7]

Someone has got in DJs ear; that is the DJ we need to see

He does everything well but shoot

[msstate7]

Come on guys... we own the glass... no 2nd chances

[msstate7]

That's horrible out of a TO

[HoopsDawg]

Great 1st half considering Shak only played 10 minutes.

[msstate7]

Halfway there, dawgs... hold on

[LC Dawg]

We've struggled closing out the first half of games. We didn't play well at the half end today but at least we maintained our lead.

[Cowbell]

This team is improving with each game. Says a lot about coaching.

[msstate7]

This team is improving with each game. Says a lot about coaching.

Contrary to what msstate7 said after the Florida loss, we have a really good HC.

My only concern with him is recruiting. I really hope we somehow, someway end up with Hubbard

[R2Dawg]

Need to finish his game and keep moving up the NCAAT ladder.

[EdwardDrayton]

A solid first half. Strong from the FT line. DJ finally getting in role and going strong to the basket. Need Davis to contribute and could use a few points off the bench. Tolu being Tolu. We got this.

[EdwardDrayton]

These refs are getting on my last nerve.

[R2Dawg]

More BS calls for Mizzou. Shaq got fouled.

[Cowbell]

More BS calls for Mizzou. Shaq got fouled.

Yeah terrible call

[msstate7]

Guys, we have got to come up with what it takes to get tolu back next season

[RocketDawg]

Our team is looking good tonight.

[EdwardDrayton]

Why does Reed even have a uni

[R2Dawg]

We are gonna lose because of these refs. Pitiful

[msstate7]

Dj gets killed here, but he has had a huge game imo

[Cowbell]

We are gonna lose because of these refs. Pitiful

Thank goodness we are playing good defense or we wouldn't have a chance

[msstate7]

Why does Reed even have a uni

He's was over 35% from 3 last year. These are open looks... surely to God these are gonna fall soon

[Cowbell]

Dj gets killed here, but he has had a huge game imo

He looks like a different player today. I feel like several of our players have bad habits that Jan's is having to break. We see glimpses of greatness at times from each of them and it's like we are seeing more lately from each of them.

[EdwardDrayton]

Now where did I put that zebra voodoo doll

[LC Dawg]

He's was over 35% from 3 last year. These are open looks... surely to God these are gonna fall soon
Yep. As long as we have a double digit lead I'm good with him continuing to shoot. Maybe he'll break out of the slump. Shak kept shooting and is now on a good streak.

[LC Dawg]

9 point lead and we get McNair shooting a 3 after a timeout. WTF?

[EdwardDrayton]

He's was over 35% from 3 last year. These are open looks... surely to God these are gonna fall soon

Think we're starting to realize these lesser competition stats don't necessarily transfer to this level.

[msstate7]

Think we're starting to realize these lesser competition stats don't necessarily transfer to this level.

I think an open shot is an open shot

[R2Dawg]

Refs took us out of game with fouls when Shaq and Cam sat

[HoopsDawg]

Is Jans trying to lose?

[R2Dawg]

Reed has got to sit at this point.

[msstate7]

They're working us

[R2Dawg]

Shaq has to know not to foul there

[EdwardDrayton]

I think an open shot is an open shot

I get the logic, I do. But the reality is what it is.

[msstate7]

I get the logic, I do. But the reality is what it is.

I think mr reed is gonna turn it around.

[LC Dawg]

Reed plays hard and puts up some stats other than scoring.
Jones seems to bring nothing. Hopefully he proves me wrong because Jans seems determined to play him.

[662dawg]

This is as bad an officiated games as I've seen. And it's one sided. Not sure what it looks like on TV but the in person eye test it's really bad ha.

Jones, Jr is better than Reed. He should get his minutes. Or give some of them to Russell/Hamilton one.

[R2Dawg]

Refs are giving this game to Mizzou. This is as bad as UK

[HoopsDawg]

that was a really dumb foul by Shak. He's just got to give up the 2 points there.

[msstate7]

Man, F that shit! They called a tied ball

[EdwardDrayton]

I think mr reed is gonna turn it around.

Heaven knows I hope you're right. We need that second guard scoring along with Shak.

[R2Dawg]

This is as bad an officiated games as I've seen. And it's one sided. Not sure what it looks like on TV but the in person eye test it's really bad ha.

Jones, Jr is better than Reed. He should get his minutes. Or give some of them to Russell/Hamilton one.

Its even worse on TV - replays and pathetic homer Mizzou announcers too.

[R2Dawg]

Are you kidding me - charge, charge, charge

[msstate7]

Seriously, I hope these refs' wives are cheating on them with a guy that has aids, and they die a slow, painful death.

[R2Dawg]

We'd be up by 25 if called fair.

[Cowbell]

Heaven knows I hope you're right. We need that second guard scoring along with Shak.

I think this is what Jans is aiming for. If this team is gonna make a run, these guys have got to break through

[Cowbell]

The way Tolu is getting offensive rebounds, I get us taking open 3s

[EdwardDrayton]

Tolu. Pay that man. Don't care what it costs.

[Cowbell]

Seriously, I hope these refs' wives are cheating on them with a guy that has aids, and they die a slow, painful death.

It's like the SEC office is scared we might knock mizzou out of the tourney

[662dawg]

Its even worse on TV - replays and pathetic homer Mizzou announcers too.

I can sure believe that. Not getting many replays here but it's awful."Refs you suck" is getting loud when Mizzou shoots free throws haha.

[PGHBulldogBG]

It's like the SEC office is scared we might knock mizzou out of the tourney

Yea I thought that might be it too but this would be a quad 1 loss so I don’t think it would hurt them. I’ve never seen us get this bad of treatment from refs at home. Very bizarre

[msstate7]

Tolu. Pay that man. Don't care what it costs.

We have got to keep him, and we have got to get a guard/sm that can score. Get those 2, and we have a chance to be really damn good. If we sink all our money in football, we will still fall short of 7 -8 teams in the sec

[R2Dawg]

It's like the SEC office is scared we might knock mizzou out of the tourney

Mizzou is in and we are not. That is exactly what is going on here. Total corruption from SEC office, not first or last time

[R2Dawg]

Cam fouled, surprise no call

[HoopsDawg]

nice move going with Jones over #11.

[EdwardDrayton]

Gotta love Cam Matthews.

[EdwardDrayton]

DAAAAAWGS!!!!

[HoopsDawg]

Cam Matthews playing at another level tonight. Let's go

[R2Dawg]

I'm impressed with this team. I'm not sure anyone wants to play us right now. What a difference 2-3 weeks makes.

[msstate7]

Under 11 under 6... there's no excuse to lose this one. Get the win, dawgs

[R2Dawg]

Tolu has kicked in another gear lately.

[Cowbell]

Matthew's and Stevenson are growing up and telling the refs to shove it,

[MoreCowbell]

Is Keyshawn Murphy hurt? He played great at start of year, have not seen him in a while

[R2Dawg]

Cam is pretty good ball handler for a big guy

[RocketDawg]

Yea I thought that might be it too but this would be a quad 1 loss so I don?t think it would hurt them. I?ve never seen us get this bad of treatment from refs at home. Very bizarre

But we're going to win anyway.

[EdwardDrayton]

Tyler with all ten bench points.

[RocketDawg]

Too bad that dead ball 3 didn't count.

[R2Dawg]

Is Keyshawn Murphy hurt? He played great at start of year, have not seen him in a while

No but we got the rotation down pat now. We got some chemistry

[R2Dawg]

Tyler with all ten bench points.

He has been another key with the turnaround.

[LC Dawg]

Stevenson has that 10-15 foot jump shot that almost no one has anymore. It's fun to watch.

[MoreCowbell]

No but we got the rotation down pat now. We got some chemistry

Moore is the heart and soul of this team. He sets the pace. He has attitude

[R2Dawg]

Matthew's and Stevenson are growing up and telling the refs to shove it,

The whole team is saying we'll beat you and the refs too

[R2Dawg]

Moore is the heart and soul of this team. He sets the pace. He has attitude

Agree Moore is the straw that stirs the drink.

[R2Dawg]

Stevenson has that 10-15 foot jump shot that almost no one has anymore. It's fun to watch.

Yes he does.

[MoreCowbell]

We have got to keep him, and we have got to get a guard/sm that can score. Get those 2, and we have a chance to be really damn good. If we sink all our money in football, we will still fall short of 7 -8 teams in the sec

Had no clue he had eligibility left. Tolu, Moore, Matthews, Stevenson, Murphy. I am down with that

[EdwardDrayton]

And just when I thought DJ had bought in to the way he can best contribute. smh

[civildawg]

DJ should not be allowed to shoot anymore 3?s the rest of the season

[RocketDawg]

What a play!!

[Cowbell]

How is Mizzou 17-5 . The refs were the only thing keeping this a game

[LC Dawg]

That was badass!

[msstate7]

Out defense is '85 bears level

[R2Dawg]

Shaq!!!!!!!

[RocketDawg]

Wish we could play Alabama again. In Starkville.

[R2Dawg]

Boys we are playing some dang good basketball. Here come the Dawgs.

[Commercecomet24]

Jans can coach! Even ft shooting getting better! Stay hot!

[EdwardDrayton]

Two very solid halves of basketball against a quality team. We have hope.

[MoreCowbell]

Clicking at the right time

[HoopsDawg]

Moore is the heart and soul of this team. He sets the pace. He has attitude

Nah, that's Cam but Shak is the reason and the rotation tightening up are why we are playing better.

[EdwardDrayton]

If we can get Davis or Reed in the mix, there will be hell to pay.

[Cowbell]

This team is fun to watch and can't remember the last time we could say that.

[LC Dawg]

Great win!

[NCMSTFAN]

This will be another really good win. Def Quad 1 or 2.. we are starting to come together more offensively. I really hope we get to the tournament, we will be one of those teams no one wants to play

[dawgday166]

Contrary to what msstate7 said after the Florida loss, we have a really good HC.

My only concern with him is recruiting. I really hope we somehow, someway end up with Hubbard

That guy dumb. Meltdown arteest! ****

[BeardoMSU]

Out defense is '85 bears level

There's some mythology going around 'bout that, Joe***

[NCMSTFAN]

I'm still puzzled why Shawn Jones and Eric Reed get the playing time they do. They are both non factors. But we won so I can't complain too much

[BeardoMSU]

Helluva win. And a (mostly) fun game to watch.

[R2Dawg]

This team is fun to watch and can't remember the last time we could say that.

I said early in year, first time in a while that I liked the way we played - hard, share the ball. If Jans can get talent, we are bout to make some noise.

[MoreCowbell]

Nah, that's Cam but Shak is the reason and the rotation tightening up are why we are playing better.

I will not argue that. Matthews motor sets the tone

[NCMSTFAN]

I said early in year, first time in a while that I liked the way we played - hard, share the ball. If Jans can get talent, we are bout to make some noise.

Thats the only question I have about Jans is recruiting but he can coach his butt off

[Commercecomet24]

This team is fun to watch and can't remember the last time we could say that.

This! It's been awhile! They are fun to watch!

[EdwardDrayton]

Nah, that's Cam but Shak is the reason and the rotation tightening up are why we are playing better.

Tolu is the core, Cam is the heart, Shak starting to give us a little guard play, Tyler giving us some midrange off the bench and DJ going hard to the rim. If we can get Davis and/or Reed involved, we are going to be a NIGHTMARE for teams.

[LC Dawg]

I just love it when our basketball team is playing well. I hope our new AD makes basketball a priority. It's a lot more likely since he's not a former Mississippi State baseball coach.

[BeardoMSU]

This! It's been awhile! They are fun to watch!

This.

[BeardoMSU]

I just love it when our basketball team is playing well. I hope our new AD makes basketball a priority. It's a lot more likely since he's not a former Mississippi State baseball coach.

N.I.L.

Basketball needs it.

[EdwardDrayton]

N.I.L.

Basketball needs it.

And deserves it.

[EdwardDrayton]

And for those counting. That's three wins in a row.

[BeardoMSU]

And deserves it.

Absolutely.

[Commercecomet24]

They play so hard and with so much effort! Love watching that in any sport.

[ZedFedder]

If we somehow and someway got Tolu back, and Jaquan Scott and Trey Fort are what I think they can be? watch out.

[parabrave]

Big win.

[parabrave]

Davis didn't score any but he had 6 assists. But Reed 0-6 3pt WTF.

[Tripp McNeely]

Davis didn't score any but he had 6 assists. But Reed 0-6 3pt WTF.

Gotta keep Reed on the bench!

[EdwardDrayton]

I just love it when our basketball team is playing well. I hope our new AD makes basketball a priority. It's a lot more likely since he's not a former Mississippi State baseball coach.

I do love a good ZING!! LOL!!

[EdwardDrayton]

Gotta keep Reed on the bench!

He's beyond struggling but the only options we have are Rumph and Russell. Honestly don't think they're the answer. Just keep praying Reed and Davis find the bottom of the net.

[parabrave]

Tolu is the core, Cam is the heart, Shak starting to give us a little guard play, Tyler giving us some midrange off the bench and DJ going hard to the rim. If we can get Davis and/or Reed involved, we are going to be a NIGHTMARE for teams.

Last 3 games Tylers coming off the bench has been a big factor, 22 mins 10 pts, tonight against SC 17 mins 12 Pts, TCU 14 mins 10 Pts, Bama

[LC Dawg]

He's beyond struggling but the only options we have are Rumph and Russell. Honestly don't think they're the answer. Just keep praying Reed and Davis find the bottom of the net.
Yeah. Shak and Davis can't play 40 minutes and it was worse today because Shak had foul trouble. Jans obviously thinks Reed is the best option. Hopefully his shots start to fall.

[MetEdDawg]

Davis didn't score any but he had 6 assists. But Reed 0-6 3pt WTF.

He passed up a couple shots tonight driving to the basket that he should have taken.

That's one thing that bothers me about a couple of our guys. There are moments where they seem scared to take a shot when it's open.

Jans has the right philosophy here. If it's open and it's the right shot, shoot it.

But outside of that, this team is playing with a lot of energy and passion. A far far cry from what we looked like under Howland. Every possession matters to Jans and he's coaching his ass off every possession.

[HoopsDawg]

He passed up a couple shots tonight driving to the basket that he should have taken.

That's one thing that bothers me about a couple of our guys. There are moments where they seem scared to take a shot when it's open.

Jans has the right philosophy here. If it's open and it's the right shot, shoot it.

But outside of that, this team is playing with a lot of energy and passion. A far far cry from what we looked like under Howland. Every possession matters to Jans and he's coaching his ass off every possession.

I absolutely loved the way we came out of the locker to start the 2nd half. A lot of energy and pushed the lead out. Set the tone for the rest of the game. Opposite of a lot of games under Howland.

[maroonmania]

N.I.L.

Basketball needs it.

Speaking of an NIL loss, would have liked to have had the additional perimeter shooting from Moseley if he could have avoided the off court issues in Starkville he seems to be having in Columbia.

[Goldendawg]

I'm still puzzled why Shawn Jones and Eric Reed get the playing time they do. They are both non factors. But we won so I can't complain too much

Well you can unfortunately say one thing about Jones and Reed the last few games, their stat lines are consistently unbelievable for the amount of minutes that have both gotten. Have read Jans has said you don't play D, you don't play. That being said, Murphy, Hamilton, Russell must be horrible in practice on D, defensive liabilities. But, Reed and Jones are offensive liabilities. What little difference does this make? Have been to every home game and watched every road game. When we put in Jones and Reed, we lose our lead or it is threatened. Both of them in together is a disaster offensively. JMO.

[archdog]

Agreed. And if they are doubling Tolu, the other center is the better option offensively.

[R2Dawg]

He passed up a couple shots tonight driving to the basket that he should have taken.

That's one thing that bothers me about a couple of our guys. There are moments where they seem scared to take a shot when it's open.

Jans has the right philosophy here. If it's open and it's the right shot, shoot it.

But outside of that, this team is playing with a lot of energy and passion. A far far cry from what we looked like under Howland. Every possession matters to Jans and he's coaching his ass off every possession.

This is why I love watching us play. Jans gets more talent, we going places.

[CovertDawg]

I have complete confidence in Jans. The guys kept playing hard for him even during the losing streak.


Random note: The light bulb finally came on for Quinten Post. Always knew he had big time potential and he showed flashes here. He is on quite the run in the ACC right now.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4593016/quinten-post

[Rawdawg]

Ive been saying for weeks Reed is a real liability. His metrics are on the bottom of the charts for every stat that measures the value you bring while in the game.

[Goldendawg]

Ive been saying for weeks Reed is a real liability. His metrics are on the bottom of the charts for every stat that measures the value you bring while in the game.

Horton (quit), Reed (0 foe 6 on wide open 3's last night, bad most of year), & Jones not SEC players. Playing any of them ahead of Moore earlier in the season may have cost a couple of victories. Don't understand the minutes that they are getting.

[Ari Gold]

Horton (quit), Reed (0 foe 6 on wide open 3's last night, bad most of year), & Jones not SEC players. Playing any of them ahead of Moore earlier in the season may have cost a couple of victories. Don't understand the minutes that they are getting.

Then You don’t understand basketball.. we don’t have any better options ..
Shaq was getting basically the same minutes starting as he was off the bench

You cant play as hard as we do on def and expect guys to play 40 even 35 minutes night in night out
I have no clue why Hamilton / Russell / Murphy aren’t getting minutes now
Maybe they don’t put forth the effort during the week to earn them

And it’s not like those guys are difference makers , if so they would be in the game
Outside of that one dunk what has Russell done ? Hamilton isn’t ready and from my sources Murphy gives you zero reason during the week to get PT on game day

[Pancho]

ari nails it

[NCMSTFAN]

Horton (quit), Reed (0 foe 6 on wide open 3's last night, bad most of year), & Jones not SEC players. Playing any of them ahead of Moore earlier in the season may have cost a couple of victories. Don't understand the minutes that they are getting.

I agree. None of them should have played ahead of Moore. Reed had a few games he played good in but for the most part he hasn't been close to being an SEC starter

[NCMSTFAN]

Then You don’t understand basketball.. we don’t have any better options ..
Shaq was getting basically the same minutes starting as he was off the bench

You cant play as hard as we do on def and expect guys to play 40 even 35 minutes night in night out
I have no clue why Hamilton / Russell / Murphy aren’t getting minutes now
Maybe they don’t put forth the effort during the week to earn them

And it’s not like those guys are difference makers , if so they would be in the game
Outside of that one dunk what has Russell done ? Hamilton isn’t ready and from my sources Murphy gives you zero reason during the week to get PT on game day

Well I understand basketball very well and all we can go off is what we see on the court. I've seen nothing to show me Shak should have been coming off the bench behind Horton, Reed or Shawn Jones. Shak should have been our starter from day 1, he is by far our best gaurd. Reed, Horton, Jones aren't even SEC gaurds.

I agree with you about Russell, other than the dunk he hasn't shown much but let's be honest, he barely gets the opportunity to show anything. He can't be any worse than Jones and Reed. I'd love to see him get meaningful game time minutes.

[HoopsDawg]

Well I understand basketball very well and all we can go off is what we see on the court. I've seen nothing to show me Shak should have been coming off the bench behind Horton, Reed or Shawn Jones. Shak should have been our starter from day 1, he is by far our best gaurd. Reed, Horton, Jones aren't even SEC gaurds.

I agree with you about Russell, other than the dunk he hasn't shown much but let's be honest, he barely gets the opportunity to show anything. He can't be any worse than Jones and Reed. I'd love to see him get meaningful game time minutes.

I agree with you. It was a huge mistake by Jans to not start Moore all season. It cost us at the start of games and at the start of 2nd halves. The UT PG played all 40 minutes against us and he was better down the stretch of the game than he was at the start of the game.

If Shak and Davis can stay out of foul trouble, they need to play 33 minutes+. Stevenson off the bench to rest DJ and Cam. And then McNair off the bench to rest Tolu since he can only play about 30-32 minutes at max effort. As for the 8th guy in the rotation, I would slightly lean to Jones.

[NCMSTFAN]

I agree with you. It was a huge mistake by Jans to not start Moore all season. It cost us at the start of games and at the start of 2nd halves. The UT PG played all 40 minutes against us and he was better down the stretch of the game than he was at the start of the game.

If Shak and Davis can stay out of foul trouble, they need to play 33 minutes+. Stevenson off the bench to rest DJ and Cam. And then McNair off the bench to rest Tolu since he can only play about 30-32 minutes at max effort. As for the 8th guy in the rotation, I would slightly lean to Jones.

Good post and I agree at this point for the 8th guy you almost have to go with Jones just because he's played a decent amount so he is used to it but I would personally prefer Reed over Jones. Not a huge fan of either but Reed has shown flashes

[EdwardDrayton]

Good post and I agree at this point for the 8th guy you almost have to go with Jones just because he's played a decent amount so he is used to it but I would personally prefer Reed over Jones. Not a huge fan of either but Reed has shown flashes

Ha! They must have been nanoflashes!!

[Goldendawg]

Then You don?t understand basketball.. we don?t have any better options ..
Shaq was getting basically the same minutes starting as he was off the bench

You cant play as hard as we do on def and expect guys to play 40 even 35 minutes night in night out
I have no clue why Hamilton / Russell / Murphy aren?t getting minutes now
Maybe they don?t put forth the effort during the week to earn them

And it?s not like those guys are difference makers , if so they would be in the game
Outside of that one dunk what has Russell done ? Hamilton isn?t ready and from my sources Murphy gives you zero reason during the week to get PT on game day

I do know a little about basketball. If you read my post #147 in this thread we share a few of the same questions and thoughts on these subjects. I appreciate your info on Murphy in practice, as this would explain lack of playing time. We have a very thin bench at guard with a lack of SEC level talent. Reed is in a terrible shooting slump. I was at the MO game and he was 0 for 6 on threes in mostly open looks. Go to all home games and recently when he and Jones have gone in when we have a lead, it diminishes. DJ is handling the ball better and looked good when he played the point against MO. If Moore /Davis get in foul trouble, this may be an option if Reed continues to struggle offensively. Finish Strong! Hail State!

[LC Dawg]

Jans has said he didn't start Shak earlier in the year because he wanted a scorer coming off the bench. He was grasping because he knows he doesn't have a lot of shooters. He acknowledged that it didn't work but a coach has to try things. If Stevenson didn't recently provide some points off the bench we probably would have lost more of the games that Shak started.

[Ari Gold]

Well I understand basketball very well and all we can go off is what we see on the court. I've seen nothing to show me Shak should have been coming off the bench behind Horton, Reed or Shawn Jones. Shak should have been our starter from day 1, he is by far our best gaurd. Reed, Horton, Jones aren't even SEC gaurds.

I agree with you about Russell, other than the dunk he hasn't shown much but let's be honest, he barely gets the opportunity to show anything. He can't be any worse than Jones and Reed. I'd love to see him get meaningful game time minutes.

It takes coaches a little time to get their rotation figured out esp a 1st year coach
Shaq coming off the bench didn?t cost us a game
He didn?t play the Drake game ( injury)
He was 0-11 again Utah .. we still won thanks to Davis
Reed was leading scorer against Marquette
Horton is now off the team which makes us better
Jones and Stevenson are playing their way into minutes .. and both are taking minutes away from Reed which is fine
Reed is still a veteran player and I bet there will be one or 2 games where he finds his stroke and helps with a W
Maybe Shaq coming off the bench early was the best thing for him, made him play harder on both sides of the ball