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Cowbell
01-25-2023, 01:10 PM
Guys. He is getting slayed around the DFW this week. I mean nobody, and I mean nobody, really wants him here anymore. I've defended him and still will. He had a poor performance but he is still top 10 in this league and the cowboys have no chance at upgrading other than moving up in the draft. I think people don't realize how predictable the cowboys offense has always been as well as the lack of separation his receivers got this year. Kellen should have bootlegged him much more and challenged the speed of that defense more. I would argue that the 49ers would have won easily had they swapped QBs. And dak would be killing it on the eagles right now.

I hope for his sake he gets traded to a team that has some real ingenuity on offense. I wish he could be a saint in a place where he would be appreciated or wind up with Sean Payton somehow. I think he needs a change of scenery for his own mindset.

msudawglb
01-25-2023, 01:15 PM
He really didn't play well at all. I've been a big supporter and I realize he has crap WR's to throw too and the OC play calling is garbage, but he still had throws that most would have made and he missed them. That game was there for the taking and he had one of his worst games. He wasn't remotely accurate. I hate it. i've been trying to stay away from the articles and videos since the game.

SpaceBully
01-25-2023, 01:17 PM
Nobody is going to take his current contract from Dallas. If he were playing at the level of Maholmes, Rogers, or heck.....even Purdy, someone might bite. But I'm afraid Dak is too up and down in his performances. Dallas has him for 2 more years, then the speculation will start. Unless Dallas goes deep into the playoffs or even wins it all in the next 2 years, I don't see them resigning him.

StarkVegasSteve
01-25-2023, 01:24 PM
Guys. He is getting slayed around the DFW this week. I mean nobody, and I mean nobody, really wants him here anymore. I've defended him and still will. He had a poor performance but he is still top 10 in this league and the cowboys have no chance at upgrading other than moving up in the draft. I think people don't realize how predictable the cowboys offense has always been as well as the lack of separation his receivers got this year. Kellen should have bootlegged him much more and challenged the speed of that defense more. I would argue that the 49ers would have won easily had they swapped QBs. And dak would be killing it on the eagles right now.

I hope for his sake he gets traded to a team that has some real ingenuity on offense. I wish he could be a saint in a place where he would be appreciated or wind up with Sean Payton somehow. I think he needs a change of scenery for his own mindset.

He is getting roasted around DFW this week, but I'll be honest it's warranted. He played terrible. He had 2 int's and should've had 4. He's making 100 mil+ and it comes with the territory. At his peak, you're right he's a top 10 QB but I wouldn't say he's top 10 on any given day. They're going to roast him for another week or two and then forget about it and convince themselves that he's a top 5 QB like they do every year. Cowboys fans go through the same cycle every year.

And Sean Payton can't help him. He needs to restructure his contract so they can bring in receivers. They have a bona fide WR1 in Lamb and then guys who are past their prime( Gallup and Hilton) or couldn't start for almost any other team in the league( Brown). Sean's offense worked in NOLA for so long because of the greatness of Drew Brees and the great skill players they had for so many years. Dak isn't Drew Brees, he's not close to it. And as I stated outside of Lamb they don't have good receivers. There's no Robert Meacham's or Kenny Stills or Willie Snead's or Lance Moore's on that roster. They don't have a Jimmy Graham or Jeremy Shockey who you could always go to. Dalton Schultz is a reliable target, but he doesn't come close to those two. The other problem is that Sean and Mickey ran the draft in NOLA and they drafted SO WELL for SO MANY years. Jerry lets Will McClay "advise" him and Stephen, but they have the final call and by and large they are terrible talent evaluators.

Leroy Jenkins
01-25-2023, 01:27 PM
Even the biggest Dak cheerleaders will admit he's streaky. When he's good he's really good. When he's bad he's really bad. Also, the offense is sort of magnifying his bad games. There is fault on him and on the staff too, its not all "Dak is garbage" or "the staff is garbage", its a little of both. Unfortunately, both sides happen to lay an egg at the same time in the biggest game of the year. He needs to get out of there while he still has good years left in him.

StarkVegasSteve
01-25-2023, 01:29 PM
Nobody is going to take his current contract from Dallas. If he were playing at the level of Maholmes, Rogers, or heck.....even Purdy, someone might bite. But I'm afraid Dak is too up and down in his performances. Dallas has him for 2 more years, then the speculation will start. Unless Dallas goes deep into the playoffs or even wins it all in the next 2 years, I don't see them resigning him.

I see this take and just laugh every time. Purdy is good right now because of the insanely stupid and elite talent around him. He has Aiyuk, Deebo, Mccafferey, and Kittle. That's 4 guys who are at the top 10 at their positions. He has a top 3 LT in Trent Williams. He has one of the 3 best play callers in the league calling the plays and on top of all that he only has to produce 10-20 pts a game because their defense is probably the best in the league. You put Dak in SF and he looks like a Top 5 QB because of the talent around him. It's not because of Brock Purdy. He has not elevated that offense. The addition of Christian Mccafferey is the biggest reason they look better right now than they did early in the season.

SpaceBully
01-25-2023, 01:36 PM
I see this take and just laugh every time. Purdy is good right now because of the insanely stupid and elite talent around him. He has Aiyuk, Deebo, Mccafferey, and Kittle. That's 4 guys who are at the top 10 at their positions. He has a top 3 LT in Trent Williams. He has one of the 3 best play callers in the league calling the plays and on top of all that he only has to produce 10-20 pts a game because their defense is probably the best in the league. You put Dak in SF and he looks like a Top 5 QB because of the talent around him. It's not because of Brock Purdy. He has not elevated that offense. The addition of Christian Mccafferey is the biggest reason they look better right now than they did early in the season.

I've laughed at some of your takes too, but don't normally post about it. Well, I'm guilty now.

msudawglb
01-25-2023, 01:51 PM
They have a bona fide WR1 in Lamb

I am not on this bandwagon. Lamb has speed and hands, but his body and size do not equate to a #1. He gets pushed around too much and cannot out battle someone for the ball. I still think he's a #2.

Leeshouldveflanked
01-25-2023, 02:00 PM
If you swapped Purdy and Dak. 49ers win by 17 points

Tbonewannabe
01-25-2023, 02:10 PM
Dak is pressing because he has to. When Pollard went down so did the run game. That means that the #1 defense with the top pass rusher in the league could just blitz on almost every play.

On top of that, there were a handful of plays that the WR actually got open. Dallas has the overall worst group of receivers in the league.

NCMSTFAN
01-25-2023, 02:26 PM
He is getting roasted everywhere, and its hard to defend him at this point. I spent years defending his play and he isn't a horrible QB, but he isn't great either. Those interceptions he threw this season cost them and he did it in the playoffs in a winnable game, those Dallas fans in that area will never forgive him for that.

Goldendawg
01-25-2023, 02:59 PM
Where is Dallas against the salary cap? Other good teams are paying their QB even more $ like KC and have a much better supporting cast to help their QB. Did Jones have any more $ to spend this season and wouldn't do it or tapped out? Cutting Zeke and a few others will help, but will now be payday time for Pollard. Does Dak need/have to restructure contact to get help? He has only one WR that would start for another team, Lamb who disappears like many of our WR's. TE play was a joke in last drive. No running game after Pollard was hurt. Seems they don't want him to roll out after ankle injury. Many issues. Have hated Dallas my entire life, only watch because of Dak. He cannot consistently carry team without help.

parabrave
01-25-2023, 03:07 PM
They still love Romo. Dak had a bad game but without a running game, half assed receivers he was forced to press it. Plus you can tell by his throws his thumb is still bothering him. But he is a big boy and he knows this comes with the territory. Give him Whitten and Irvin he wins. These guts know how to get open and how to muscle for the ball.

StarkVegasSteve
01-25-2023, 03:08 PM
I've laughed at some of your takes too, but don't normally post about it. Well, I'm guilty now.

So you would rather have Brock Purdy than Dak Prescott. Ok.....that at least gives us a baseline of your football knowledge. Do you also prefer Nick Foles over Joe Burrow? I mean Nick won a Super Bowl and Joe Burrow lost his? Or what about Jared Goff over Josh Allen? I mean Goff made a Super Bowl

The point I'm making is that those guys had a moment. Whether that be they got on a heater or they had elite talent around them. It doesn't mean they're an elite QB. Now if the 49ers want to continue to pay Brock Purdy pennies so they can make the team around him elite and hide his deficiencies, which there are many, then they can try that. However, history tells us that won't work because the QB always gets greedy.

GoDawgz
01-25-2023, 03:22 PM
They still love Romo. Dak had a bad game but without a running game, half assed receivers he was forced to press it. Plus you can tell by his throws his thumb is still bothering him. But he is a big boy and he knows this comes with the territory. Give him Whitten and Irvin he wins. These guts know how to get open and how to muscle for the ball.

Ok this post has too much common sense to post on a message board.
Its much easier to put all the blame on QB1 for Zeke being a glorified fullback, only one NFL WR on the field that's not really a true WR1 he's really WR2, and a 12 year old drawing up plays in the dirt on the sidelines.
Once Pollard went down, there wasn't a QB1 that was in the playoffs that would have swapped offensive weapons or OC's with Dak.
But I digress.

TrapGame
01-25-2023, 03:27 PM
Kellen Moore's play calling is college level bullshit. Moore is not doing Dak any favors with his idiocy on the play sheet. If I could diagnose what they were doing in three seconds the 49ers knew in one. Kellen would probably kill it as a college OC but he's over his head in the NFL.

Dawgology
01-25-2023, 03:28 PM
Hes getting roasted but if you replaced him with anyone but the top handful of players in the league you would end up with a losing record this year. Even the top flight guys would end in about the same fashion. Dallas is a TERRIBLY managed franchise with no WR corp to speak of, no RB (outside of Pollard who went down) and a very questionable OL.

StarkVegasSteve
01-25-2023, 03:34 PM
Hes getting roasted but if you replaced him with anyone but the top handful of players in the league you would end up with a losing record this year. Even the top flight guys would end in about the same fashion. Dallas is a TERRIBLY managed franchise with no WR corp to speak of, no RB (outside of Pollard who went down) and a very questionable OL.

There's probably 5, maybe 6, QBs who could elevate Dallas( Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Hurts, Rodgers, maybe Herbert). However, I don't know that any outside of Mahomes and maybe Burrow that could survive the Kellen Moore play calling. It's atrocious. Even as a Saints fan I feel sorry for their offense because I know they have to sit in the huddle and just be like, "WTF did he just call?"

basedog
01-25-2023, 03:37 PM
It's not all Dak's fault but when u make the money he does, critics gonna bitch, just comes with the territory.

I love Dak, but he isn't elite and want be in Dallas. Only professional team worse than Dallas as far as fans, New York Yankees. Tough places to play if u aren't elite.

Cooterpoot
01-25-2023, 03:41 PM
He really didn't play well at all. I've been a big supporter and I realize he has crap WR's to throw too and the OC play calling is garbage, but he still had throws that most would have made and he missed them. That game was there for the taking and he had one of his worst games. He wasn't remotely accurate. I hate it. i've been trying to stay away from the articles and videos since the game.

Against the best defense in the league with guys in his face all day. If he has weapons on that team, that takes off a lot of pressure. Again, he was no worse that the other good QBs that lost this week.

Cooterpoot
01-25-2023, 03:44 PM
Jerry Jones is a 17tard GM. As long as fans are mad at someone other than him, he's happy. He doesn't care about winning. He cares about making money.

Cooterpoot
01-25-2023, 03:45 PM
It's not all Dak's fault but when u make the money he does, critics gonna bitch, just comes with the territory.

I love Dak, but he isn't elite and want be in Dallas. Only professional team worse than Dallas as far as fans, New York Yankees. Tough places to play if u aren't elite.

He's going to be the 15th highest paid QB next year. He got them to top 8 in the NFL this year with the 8th or 9th highest salary.

Homedawg
01-25-2023, 03:49 PM
Guys. He is getting slayed around the DFW this week. I mean nobody, and I mean nobody, really wants him here anymore. I've defended him and still will. He had a poor performance but he is still top 10 in this league and the cowboys have no chance at upgrading other than moving up in the draft. I think people don't realize how predictable the cowboys offense has always been as well as the lack of separation his receivers got this year. Kellen should have bootlegged him much more and challenged the speed of that defense more. I would argue that the 49ers would have won easily had they swapped QBs. And dak would be killing it on the eagles right now.

I hope for his sake he gets traded to a team that has some real ingenuity on offense. I wish he could be a saint in a place where he would be appreciated or wind up with Sean Payton somehow. I think he needs a change of scenery for his own mindset.

Dak was bad Sunday, no doubt. But they have 2 playmakers. Pollard and lamb. Pollard missed half the game. Compare that to the 49ers mccaffery, Mitchell, Debo, kittle and aiyuk. Not much of a comparison. But as you said, he's not going anywhere and they can't upgrade so....

basedog
01-25-2023, 03:56 PM
He's going to be the 15th highest paid QB next year. He got them to top 8 in the NFL this year with the 8th or 9th highest salary.

I think this ranking is fair for Dak. Getting something like $60 million up front was smart.

ImissCityBagel
01-25-2023, 04:24 PM
Dak gets so desperate to win he starts trying to force everything and win by himself. Same thing when he was here.

Turfdawg67
01-25-2023, 05:32 PM
He hasn't been the same since his injury and contract. If you don't see it, you're watching him through maroon colored glasses. His game against TB showed glimpses of "old" Dak. Yes, Cowbell, old Dak. He had fire and passion and willed his team to victory with his arm and feet.

Turfdawg67
01-25-2023, 05:35 PM
He's going to be the 15th highest paid QB next year. He got them to top 8 in the NFL this year with the 8th or 9th highest salary.

He took a contract worth less so he could get four years instead of five or he'd be top 5 paid QBs in the league... He knew QBs would be making $40/$50M in four years.

RocketDawg
01-25-2023, 05:39 PM
Guys. He is getting slayed around the DFW this week. I mean nobody, and I mean nobody, really wants him here anymore. I've defended him and still will. He had a poor performance but he is still top 10 in this league and the cowboys have no chance at upgrading other than moving up in the draft. I think people don't realize how predictable the cowboys offense has always been as well as the lack of separation his receivers got this year. Kellen should have bootlegged him much more and challenged the speed of that defense more. I would argue that the 49ers would have won easily had they swapped QBs. And dak would be killing it on the eagles right now.

I hope for his sake he gets traded to a team that has some real ingenuity on offense. I wish he could be a saint in a place where he would be appreciated or wind up with Sean Payton somehow. I think he needs a change of scenery for his own mindset.

Isn't he getting paid something like $40/M per year? That's about $2.5M per regular season game. I can see how fans might expect him to direct each game to a win. To put it in perspective, that's about 1000 times what a teacher gets paid.

MoreCowbell
01-25-2023, 11:13 PM
He hasn't been the same since his injury and contract. If you don't see it, you're watching him through maroon colored glasses. His game against TB showed glimpses of "old" Dak. Yes, Cowbell, old Dak. He had fire and passion and willed his team to victory with his arm and feet.

Not true, I would say the best stretch of his career was first 7 games of 2021. He was playing MVP football until calf strain in OT win vs Patriots. He has been different since that injury.

Cowbell
01-25-2023, 11:27 PM
Not true, I would say the best stretch of his career was first 7 games of 2021. He was playing MVP football until calf strain in OT win vs Patriots. He has been different since that injury.
This is correct

Cowbell
01-25-2023, 11:27 PM
He hasn't been the same since his injury and contract. If you don't see it, you're watching him through maroon colored glasses. His game against TB showed glimpses of "old" Dak. Yes, Cowbell, old Dak. He had fire and passion and willed his team to victory with his arm and feet.

Apparently you missed a few games this season where dak took over the game....

EdwardDrayton
01-25-2023, 11:42 PM
Eric Clapton purportedly once said if you don't know Robert Johnson he doesn't know you.

Likewise, if you're not on the Dak train, get the 17 out.

SpaceBully
01-26-2023, 07:13 AM
So you would rather have Brock Purdy than Dak Prescott. Ok.....that at least gives us a baseline of your football knowledge. Do you also prefer Nick Foles over Joe Burrow? I mean Nick won a Super Bowl and Joe Burrow lost his? Or what about Jared Goff over Josh Allen? I mean Goff made a Super Bowl

The point I'm making is that those guys had a moment. Whether that be they got on a heater or they had elite talent around them. It doesn't mean they're an elite QB. Now if the 49ers want to continue to pay Brock Purdy pennies so they can make the team around him elite and hide his deficiencies, which there are many, then they can try that. However, history tells us that won't work because the QB always gets greedy.

Really haven't seen enough of Purdy to take him over Dak, but he did make a good impression for a guy you'd never think would have amounted to a hill of beans. But it looks like he may be a pretty big hill of beans after all. He doesn't seem to make mistakes and manages the talent around him efficiently to get what is needed to get done. Don't think he beats Phlliy.....but if he does, then yeah, I might consider taking him over Dak. Will have to see how it plays out. Dak's consistency from game to game needs improving badly. He should have never played as bad vs SF after coming off an almost perfect game vs TB. If he can play game to game like he did at TB, then I'd take him over most anybody other than Maholmes, Rogers, Burrow, and maybe Allen.

bulldawg28
01-26-2023, 07:26 AM
Jerry Jones is a 17tard GM. As long as fans are mad at someone other than him, he's happy. He doesn't care about winning. He cares about making money.

This, all day. Even the team text bashing Dak seems calculated with Jerry keeping focus off of himself.

EdwardDrayton
01-26-2023, 10:39 AM
Really haven't seen enough of Purdy to take him over Dak, but he did make a good impression for a guy you'd never think would have amounted to a hill of beans. But it looks like he may be a pretty big hill of beans after all. He doesn't seem to make mistakes and manages the talent around him efficiently to get what is needed to get done. Don't think he beats Phlliy.....but if he does, then yeah, I might consider taking him over Dak. Will have to see how it plays out. Dak's consistency from game to game needs improving badly. He should have never played as bad vs SF after coming off an almost perfect game vs TB. If he can play game to game like he did at TB, then I'd take him over most anybody other than Maholmes, Rogers, Burrow, and maybe Allen.

There are reasons you can plug in a Brock Purdy and he can be successful. It's called having talent around the QB. Just like when Mahomes gets hurt, some guy named Chad Henne can drive the Chiefs 97 yards for a TD.

But it's clear Jerrah doesn't care to do that. Instead he wants to call out his QB publicly. Jones is a serious idiot.

Maroonthirteen
01-26-2023, 01:27 PM
Adding everything up and Jones post game comments..... the Jones would trade Dak in a nano second if they could. Will anyone take on that contract? Probably not. But I bet they shop him.

Maroonthirteen
01-26-2023, 01:32 PM
2022: salary $1.6 million. Sign Bonus $13m
2023: salary $31m. Sign bonus $13m

Hahahaha. DFW will be glad to know, he makes 30x more next year.

EdwardDrayton
01-26-2023, 07:03 PM
Adding everything up and Jones post game comments..... the Jones would trade Dak in a nano second if they could. Will anyone take on that contract? Probably not. But I bet they shop him.

Think 7 said the dead money is $89 million. Don't see any chance Dak can escape there until after next season. Cuz the total cap is what, maybe, $200 million.

Homedawg
01-26-2023, 07:24 PM
Think 7 said the dead money is $89 million. Don't see any chance Dak can escape there until after next season. Cuz the total cap is what, maybe, $200 million.

Dak isn't going anywhere til after 24 at the soonest. But, Dallas will try to sign him to an extension to spread the cap hit out.