Dawgs UF Game Thread

[R2Dawg]

Not sure anyone is watching but here we are every game trying to play our way to post season.

We bring out everyone's best game somehow.

[EdwardDrayton]

Well the Giants are not putting up much of a fight so Dawg bball it is.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Each game I watch I am more and more baffled how we beat Utah and Marquette on a neutral court

[R2Dawg]

Refs are screwing us again.

[CaptainObvious]

I am baffled by how a college team with a bunch of juniors and seniors starters can be this horrible! I?d rather get arthritis shots in both knees twice a week than put up with this crap!!!

[NCMSTFAN]

I wish we could have kept Kugel. He looks like a player

[R2Dawg]

UF 2-26 at TAMU last game, they shooting lights out tonight. We still can't hit a layup.

[LC Dawg]

That was a horrible offensive foul on Tolu.

[EdwardDrayton]

Well done flop

[EdwardDrayton]

I am baffled by how a college team with a bunch of juniors and seniors starters can be this horrible! I?d rather get arthritis shots in both knees twice a week than put up with this crap!!!

It is what it is at this stage.

[cheewgumm]

We can not shoot a lick. None.

[msstate7]

Jans had me fooled. He ain't shit

[Cowbell]

We could go out and find 10 kids that are playing at MS high schools right now who would be better than this when you put them together.

[CovertDawg]

One thing that has impressed me all season is how hard our guys have played even when their shooting is complete garbage. This is the first home game where I feel like the energy is not there on the defensive side.

[NCMSTFAN]

We are a bad team. I won't be surprised if we finish last at this point. I watchalot of basketball and we are one of the worse offenses in the nation. We have no type of offense. It's horrible, give me Howlands offense over this

[msstate7]

We are a bad team. I won't be surprised if we finish last at this point. I watchalot of basketball and we are one of the worse offenses in the nation. We have no type of offense. It's horrible, give me Howlands offense over this

Amen. We made a mistake

[msstate7]

We need to find a coach that can at least sniff a 4-star.

[CaptainObvious]

This is not coaching. This is awful basketball!! These players including a Tolu, are not even D2 level talent. This is not a good Florida team!

[civildawg]

Welp I guess I?ll get excited about basketball again when we hire another coach in a couple of years. I can?t consider anyone a good coach when their team is this bad on offense

[cheewgumm]

He needs to empty the bench.

[msstate7]

This is not coaching. This is awful basketball!! These players including a Tolu, are not even D2 level talent. This is not a good Florida team!

The best players on this team were inherited. Jans brought in guys that should be at usm

[EdwardDrayton]

We need to find a coach that can at least sniff a 4-star.

Yep. We need players.

[msstate7]

Welp I guess I?ll get excited about basketball again when we hire another coach in a couple of years. I can?t consider anyone a good coach when their team is this bad on offense

If he had a class coming in that wasn't trash, I wouldn't be so down on him. His class and his offensive coaching are trash though, and we should send him packing now

[EdwardDrayton]

24 points in 20 minutes. Same song same verse.

[Cooterpoot]

The best players on this team were inherited. Jans brought in guys that should be at usm

Those best player ain't worth a shit either.

[msstate7]

Those best player ain't worth a shit either.

Well they're still better than the ones he brought in last year and have committed this year. He's garbage

[EdwardDrayton]

Lot of folks going to be watching very closely how he does with his second try at the portal.

[NCMSTFAN]

Those best player ain't worth a shit either.

Agreed but Tolu and Shak looked way more productive under Howland. The offense Jans runs is not fluid... its alot of one on one basketball

[msstate7]

Lot of folks going to be watching very closely how he does with his second try at the portal.

No one will be watching. Our basketball program was on life support, and Jans is a DNR

[NCMSTFAN]

If he had a class coming in that wasn't trash, I wouldn't be so down on him. His class and his offensive coaching are trash though, and we should send him packing now

Exactly, the future doesn't look good with his recruiting and offense.

[HoopsDawg]

what is going on with our perimeter defense? Why are we giving so much space?!

[msstate7]

Agreed but Tolu and Shak looked way more productive under Howland. The offense Jans runs is not fluid... its alot of one on one basketball

I would much prefer seeing kugel and Walton on our team than the trash jans brought in

[EdwardDrayton]

No one will be watching. Our basketball program was on life support, and Jans is a DNR

He should get another year to show something.

[msstate7]

We play bama Wednesday. Just a reminder that we were never 1-7 in the sec under howland. Put that in your jans-is-awesome-pipe and smoke it

[Rawdawg]

Our starting guards have a combine 0 points, 1 assist and 1 steal at halftime.

[EdwardDrayton]

We play bama Wednesday. Just a reminder that we were never 1-7 in the sec under howland. Put that in your jans-is-awesome-pipe and smoke it

Put the cap back on 7. Not a single person has said Jans is awesome.

[msstate7]

Put the cap back on 7. Not a single person has said Jans is awesome.

Pretty sure I did, but I was wrong. He's a fraud

[msstate7]

Now come back and win this damn game... nothing I want more than everyone calling me an idiot in an hour

[Homedawg]

Well they're still better than the ones he brought in last year and have committed this year. He's garbage

Good grief 7. He got the job in April. His offense isn't the problem. We get open shots. We just can't make em. Hell, we can't make a layup.

[Homedawg]

Pretty sure I did, but I was wrong. He's a fraud

Don't turn into shotgun and go all bipolar

[Homedawg]

We play bama Wednesday. Just a reminder that we were never 1-7 in the sec under howland. Put that in your jans-is-awesome-pipe and smoke it

Howland would be 0- fer right now. This is his talent and we had to mix and match Kate w no NiL $ at the time.

[msstate7]

Howland would be 0- fer right now. This is his talent and we had to mix and match Kate w no NiL $ at the time.

Kugel would be our best guard by far right now

[NCMSTFAN]

I would much prefer seeing kugel and Walton on our team than the trash jans brought in

I completely forgot about Jaykwon Walton. Heck he is averaging almost 13 ppg at Wichita State

[msstate7]

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I'm about 13-14 deep. Don't mind me haha

[Leeshouldveflanked]

How did so many bad basketball players make it to SEC roster

[Rawdawg]

At some point you have to stop trotting Davis and Reed out there and just play big.

[NCMSTFAN]

Florida is bad. We can get back in this game

[LC Dawg]

Shak Moore is so good at a lot of things but his 3 pt percentage has decreased every year of his career. If he could get to 30% it would help us tremendously.

[EdwardDrayton]

How did so many bad basketball players make it to SEC roster

DJ has been a big disappointment this year; little to no improvement. Tolu suffering from no perimeter shooting. Jans whiffed on any guards to help.

So we think the baseball guy dropped the ball on NIL and we didn't have money for Jans in the portal. We got caught between coaches in the last signing class. This signing class seems to be on Jans. So let's see what he does with some money when the portal opens.

[SteelCurtain74]

0 for our last 26 from 3. Unbelievable.

[RocketDawg]

0 for our last 26 from 3. Unbelievable.

Just made one, but out of curiosity, what's the record string for missing 3-pointers?

[SteelCurtain74]

Correction now 2 for our last 28.

[EdwardDrayton]

0 for our last 26 from 3. Unbelievable.

It is indeed hard to believe. Y'all know the saying, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

[LC Dawg]

McNair is having a good game.

[LC Dawg]

We bring Tolu back in and have a horrible possession. I'm not sure why but I think there's something to it. Maybe guys don't look for a shot when Tolu is in.

[CaptainObvious]

At some point you have to stop trotting Davis and Reed out there and just play big.

I disagree 1000%. Play 4 little guards and McNair.

McNair busted his ass out there. Then after the stoppage, Tolu comes back in and literally stands around while we waste the entire 30 seconds making no effort to work himself open. What a lazy ass player.

[RockyDog]

Tolu sucks. Hamilton and the young guys will transfer out. We are going to be watching NAIA level basketball next season under Jans

[EdwardDrayton]

Does anybody know if Cam Matthews played football in high school. He is a tremendous athlete. Would love to see what he could do as a tight end.

[msstate7]

When we absolutely need stops, we never get em

[R2Dawg]

3 pt shooting. Aub game all over again. UF shooting lights out from 3. We are just cursed.

[HoopsDawg]

We are -21 with Reed on the floor. What is Jans doing?!?!?!

[msstate7]

When we absolutely need stops, we never get em

Like clockwork. This team can't do shit when it counts

[NCMSTFAN]

Jans is playing McNair down the stretch instead of Tolu.

[R2Dawg]

Ballgame and season - done.

[Quaoarsking]

When we absolutely need stops, we never get em

Every time the other team takes a 3 and I think "it would be really bad if this went in," it goes in. Without fail.

[HoopsDawg]

Jans is playing McNair down the stretch instead of Tolu.

We are +2 with Shak Moore on the court.

[R2Dawg]

Cam is a beast.

[civildawg]

Losing to this team at home is inexcusable.

[R2Dawg]

McNair is better than Tolu

BS calls by refs.

[R2Dawg]

We are +2 with Shak Moore on the court.

Davis and Reed should never take minutes from Moore.

[msstate7]

We are +2 with Shak Moore on the court.

He's not a Jan's' recruit though, so let's lose with his guys

[HoopsDawg]

Losing to this team at home is inexcusable.

This was the definition of a must win game.

[CaptainObvious]

I can see our team arriving at the arena in the little Circus Clown Car and all 13 of them crawling out.

[msstate7]

Losing to this team at home is inexcusable.

Hey, look to the future... we have one of the worst classes in the sec the last 5 years coming in. Jans is a boss

[HoopsDawg]

Davis and Reed should never take minutes from Moore.

Davis is the best we've got other than Shak. Reed finished -18. He has to stop playing Reed. And starting him makes zero sense. We get in a hole to start every game and every 2nd half. It's weird. We are about to be 1-7 in our last 8 games so maybe do something different.

[EdwardDrayton]

Cam is a beast.

If I'm the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's ark and it's startin' to rain, I'm gonna fight like I'm Cam Matthews.

[LC Dawg]

I knew January was going to be tough but I thought it would be better than this.

[HoopsDawg]

3 of 16 from three. There's simply nothing Jans can do about that. We are getting the looks.

[EdwardDrayton]

This was the definition of a must win game.

We were done last game.

[msstate7]

Davis is the best we've got other than Shak. Reed finished -18. He has to stop playing Reed. And starting him makes zero sense. We get in a hole to start every game and every 2nd half. It's weird. We are about to be 1-7 in our last 8 games so maybe do something different.

Nah, all is well... we have some bomb ass low 3-stars coming in to save the program. Just ignore Kermit even outrecruiting us

[HoopsDawg]

Let's go. Cam bailed out Davis. We have a shot.

[HoopsDawg]

We were done last game.

Nah. Losing to Tenn wasn't the end. This would be.

[LC Dawg]

Let's see if we can get a stop when we absolutely have to have it.

[msstate7]

Let's see if we can get a stop when we absolutely have to have it.

Ha
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[EdwardDrayton]

Nah. Losing to Tenn wasn't the end. This would be.

No way we were winning 8 of the last 13.

[R2Dawg]

Refs just gave UF the game. TO with ball in the air, 10 sec call.

[msstate7]

This team and this coach are a joke

[R2Dawg]

DJ with a crappy shot and possession.

Lucky 40 ft 3 by UF wins the game.

[LC Dawg]

So ****ing disappointing.

[Quaoarsking]

No matter who our coach is, we are consistently unclutch. It's uncanny. I guess we're just cursed as a program.

[R2Dawg]

Every time we play a team struggling to shoot it they light us up.

[msstate7]

The fact is Jans is bringing in trash talent, and he will get trash results. When was the last time we were 1-6 about to be 1-7 in sec play?

[CaptainObvious]

That shot by jefferies was horrible. How can he be so flipping bad at this game and still be in scholarship. There has to be 10 guys and 3 Trans in the Sanderson Center better that these guys.

[HoopsDawg]

We were +8 with Shaq Moore on the court but he only played 26 minutes. That is indefensible. Eric Reed was -18.

DJ was 1-7, 0-3, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes. -9.

This is the first game that I will say was on Chris Jans. He blew it with his rotations.

[Quaoarsking]

The fact is Jans is bringing in trash talent, and he will get trash results. When was the last time we were 1-6 about to be 1-7 in sec play?

Who cares? The only record that matters is the final one. (And it's probably going to be bad too, don't get me wrong.)

[EdwardDrayton]

The only way that ending could be more of a microcosm of our season is if we had missed a free throw too.

[msstate7]

Firing stansbury ended up being dumb, and so will firing howland. We would be better with howland, and Jan's has no one coming in to make us better.

[Homedawg]

The fact is Jans is bringing in trash talent, and he will get trash results. When was the last time we were 1-6 about to be 1-7 in sec play?

Jans hasn't been the coach but 9 months. This team was never going to the dance. You need to back off the ledge.

[msstate7]

We were +8 with Shaq Moore on the court but he only played 26 minutes. That is indefensible. Eric Reed was -18.

DJ was 1-7, 0-3, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes. -9.

This is the first game that I will say was on Chris Jans. He blew it with his rotations.

Reed is a Jans guy. We rather lose with Jans guys

[Quaoarsking]

Firing stansbury ended up being dumb, and so will firing howland. We would be better with howland, and Jan's has no one coming in to make us better.

It's damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. Would our fanbase have accepted another NIT year out of Howland?

[EdwardDrayton]

Can we add firing Stansbury to Covid and politics?!!? ****

[msstate7]

Jans hasn't been the coach but 9 months. This team was never going to the dance. You need to back off the ledge.

This class he has together is total and complete trash. How am I wrong on that?

[cheewgumm]

That might be the end of basketball season for me

[HoopsDawg]

Jans hasn't been the coach but 9 months. This team was never going to the dance. You need to back off the ledge.

I think Jans can coach. Can he evaluate properly and can he close. That is the question. Year 1 recruiting was a total fail.

[Homedawg]

Firing stansbury ended up being dumb, and so will firing howland. We would be better with howland, and Jan's has no one coming in to make us better.

So you want Howland back?? He had talent to go to the dance and couldn't. Every game kissed away timeouts and had none when we needed them. He sucked as a game coach. Expecting immediate results w a crappy team coming back is just short sighted.

[CaptainObvious]

It's damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. Would our fanbase have accepted another NIT year out of Howland?

Be better then not making either. We bout to go on a 10 game losing streak.

[NCMSTFAN]

We were +8 with Shaq Moore on the court but he only played 26 minutes. That is indefensible. Eric Reed was -18.

DJ was 1-7, 0-3, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes. -9.

This is the first game that I will say was on Chris Jans. He blew it with his rotations.

1st game??

[msstate7]

It's damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. Would our fanbase have accepted another NIT year out of Howland?

So let's miss the the NIT now

[PGHBulldogBG]

For the millionth time we fired Stans because of the Hawaii fight and his lack of control. Same reason we fired Moorhead. It wasn’t necessarily for results it was because of lack of institutional control

[msstate7]

I think Jans can coach. Can he evaluate properly and can he close. That is the question. Year 1 recruiting was a total fail.

This class he has now is awful

[HoopsDawg]

This class he has together is total and complete trash. How am I wrong on that?

As of now, you are not wrong. Fort can play. But we will have to see who he gets out of the portal. Has to get 2 IMPACT portal players.

[NCMSTFAN]

This class he has together is total and complete trash. How am I wrong on that?

You are not wrong. The class is terrible

[Homedawg]

This class he has together is total and complete trash. How am I wrong on that?

I'll wait til they play. Idk. But to be fair, basketball guys start commuting as jrs and he had to put a class together in 6 months. You want a great class better get a better nil. And it's gotten better since then. Not great but better. Just chill shotgun/ colonel kang. Dang

[HoopsDawg]

1st game??

I'm probably being generous. But we lost to UGA due to FT's. We lost to AU due to historic bad shooting. We lost today due to Jans not playing the right guys.

[Homedawg]

Reed is a Jans guy. We rather lose with Jans guys

Bc that's what was available. What was he supposed to do?? Howland left us no shooters.

[Bothrops]

That might be the end of basketball season for me

This was definitely one of our last few winnable games. I guess the rebuild begins next season.

[HoopsDawg]

Bc that's what was available. What was he supposed to do?? Howland left us no shooters.

Homedawg, there were guys out there. He got a few to campus. He didn't close on any of them. I guess we can just blame NIL on everything. But Jans is the guy who brought in Horton and Reed. Also, he doesn't have to play Reed. Shaq played 26 minutes tonight. He needs to play 35 a game.

[msstate7]

I'll wait til they play. Idk. But to be fair, basketball guys start commuting as jrs and he had to put a class together in 6 months. You want a great class better get a better nil. And it's gotten better since then. Not great but better. Just chill shotgun/ colonel kang. Dang

Call me shotgun, Chicken little, DA, whatever, but we have no one coming in that can save this program. Jans will be fired after next season. Book it

[NCMSTFAN]

Bc that's what was available. What was he supposed to do?? Howland left us no shooters.

Howland left enough talent. Jans himself said he is used to recruiting yearly especially being a JUCO coach, Jans had an opportunity to get his kids he wanted and next looks even worse

[HoopsDawg]

This was definitely one of our last few winnable games. I guess the rebuild begins next season.

After Bama and TCU, the rest of our games are winnable. I see us winning 7 SEC games.

[IngomarDawg]

Jans at least stopped playing Tolu tonight. That?s been needed for a few games now. That Jeffries possession was horrible and a microcosm of his play all year. If you just win this and/or the Georgia game this season feels drastically different. Disappointing and we definitely need impact shooters from the portal for next year.

[EdwardDrayton]

As of now, you are not wrong. Fort can play. But we will have to see who he gets out of the portal. Has to get 2 IMPACT portal players.

Hope so about Fort. But we've seen recently good numbers from smaller colleges/lesser conferences don't translate to this level. So we'll see.

[calidawg]

Call me shotgun, Chicken little, DA, whatever, but we have no one coming in that can save this program. Jans will be fired after next season. Book it

Childish. The portal hasn't even opened yet. This season is in the tank but don't act like recruiting high school kids really matters in cbb anymore.

[msstate7]

2023 sec basketball recruiting has 13 sec teams with an avg of 90 except one team. That one team is miss state at 86. That is so awful

[HoopsDawg]

Jans at least stopped playing Tolu tonight. That?s been needed for a few games now. That Jeffries possession was horrible and a microcosm of his play all year. If you just win this and/or the Georgia game this season feels drastically different. Disappointing and we definitely need impact shooters from the portal for next year.

I would probably start: Davis, Moore, Jones, Matthews, and McNair. Bring Tolu and DJ off the bench. And then 1 more guy. Don't know who. Maybe just play 7.

[msstate7]

Homedawg, you said it's jimmys and Joes that make a difference in football. Do you think it's different in basketball? This class is really bad, and it's the 2nd really bad class in a row

[msstate7]

I would probably start: Davis, Moore, Jones, Matthews, and McNair. Bring Tolu and DJ off the bench. And then 1 more guy. Don't know who. Maybe just play 7.

Play me? Hell, I'm about the level of recruit we getting these days. Haha, I know you didn't mean me

[Homedawg]

Call me shotgun, Chicken little, DA, whatever, but we have no one coming in that can save this program. Jans will be fired after next season. Book it

I'll take that bet... you name the amount

[msstate7]

We won't have tolu or McNair next season. We gonna be Rick ray level

[msstate7]

I'll take that bet... you name the amount

I won't bet he's fired, but i'll bet we'd below .400 winning % in sec after 2 seasons

[msu15]

We've literally shot ourselves out of the tournament. What a disappointment.

[Homedawg]

Homedawg, you said it's jimmys and Joes that make a difference in football. Do you think it's different in basketball? This class is really bad, and it's the 2nd really bad class in a row

And the last class is on Howland. The current class is Jan's but again he was just getting here. I get it... it's his job to get players. But it's impossible at a school like ours to get a good class in that shirt order. We gonna have to get some portal help. I get that.

[tcdog70]

The last 2 trips Moore should have had the ball. Not Cam and for sure not DJ. Moore is the only players we have that can create a shot and make it.

[Homedawg]

I won't bet he's fired, but i'll bet we'd below .400 winning % in sec after 2 seasons
You just said he would be fired-- Jan's will be fired after next season - book it. I'm checking out. Good grief.

[Homedawg]

We've literally shot ourselves out of the tournament. What a disappointment.

This was never ever going to be a tourney team.

[EdwardDrayton]

We can change rotations all we want. It's not going to change the outcome.

[msstate7]

You just said he would be fired-- Jan's will be fired after next season - book it. I'm checking out. Good grief.

Should be fired and will be fired are 2 different things. He can't recruit, so you can't win in the sec, but he will probably get a 3rd year even though he shouldn't

[Homedawg]

We won't have tolu or McNair next season. We gonna be Rick ray level

Tolu has another year--- if we are willing to pay him for it. Course he missed about 5 point blank. Layups so guess we need to recruit a guy that can make lay ups.

[Homedawg]

Should be fired and will be fired are 2 different things. He can't recruit, so you can't win in the sec, but he will probably get a 3rd year even though he shouldn't

You said WILL be fired. I didn't write that you did. Dear goodness.

[msu15]

This was never ever going to be a tourney team.

I disagree if we make free throws and wide open 3's, but it doesn't matter either way.

[Homedawg]

Should be fired and will be fired are 2 different things. He can't recruit, so you can't win in the sec, but he will probably get a 3rd year even though he shouldn't

He's had one class!!! One.

[EdwardDrayton]

Tolu has another year--- if we are willing to pay him for it. Course he missed about 5 point blank. Layups so guess we need to recruit a guy that can make lay ups.

He's gone. He will go somewhere that has perimeter shooting.

[Bothrops]

Call me shotgun, Chicken little, DA, whatever, but we have no one coming in that can save this program. Jans will be fired after next season. Book it

Jans is not going to be fired, unless this continues on through the 24/25 season. He has an enormous job on his hands, because talented players are becoming harder and harder to find, and then we have to sign them. Howland was here too long really, and while our program remained in a coma, our competitors around us invested and left us way behind.

[msstate7]

NMSU was 28-6 the year before jans, and they're 18-2 this season without him.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Did we change something defensively before Auburn? I?m trying to figure out why 3 teams in a row have shot lights out from 3. I blew the AU game off as luck, the UT game I just assumed because they are superior to us but this game really makes me wonder what is going on defensively from 3

[PGHBulldogBG]

NMSU was 28-6 the year before jans, and they're 18-2 this season without him.

Huh? They are bottom of the WAC this year?

[msstate7]

Huh? They are bottom of the WAC this year?

Lol, I'm an idiot. New Mexico is 18-2, and I'm taking my drunk ass to bed.

ETA.. NMSU is actually 7-13, and this makes me feel better

[EdwardDrayton]

Did we change something defensively before Auburn? I?m trying to figure out why 3 teams in a row have shot lights out from 3. I blew the AU game off as luck, the UT game I just assumed because they are superior to us but this game really makes me wonder what is going on defensively from 3

Overall we've still been pretty stingy on defense in terms of total points allowed. We just can't score enough points.

[Rawdawg]

Bc that's what was available. What was he supposed to do?? Howland left us no shooters.

We lost Walton who is averaging 13 a game at Wichita State.

Lost Kugel to Florida who looked really good tonight and would currently be our second best guard.

Lost Cam Carter to a top 10 Kansas State team and is starting for them.

Lost Derek Fountain to LSU.

But yes we weren?t left anything.

[Bothrops]

It's a mess. It's going to be brutal from here on out. We probably shouldn't beat anyone left on our schedule after tonight. I think we'll win a couple.

[Goldendawg]

The best players on this team were inherited. Jans brought in guys that should be at usm

And he plays his non-SEC recruits before Hamilton, Murphy, and Russell. He better learn to recruit and coach some offense as Howland's recruits will be in the portal. McNair had a good game. Horton and Jones are wasted minutes. Have been to every home game. During OOC games I posted fill the Hump. These guys are fun to watch. I was wrong as they are brutal to watch against SEC teams. Offensive is as bad as our football offense against good defenses. I don't think he even knows who his best players or rotations are at this point in the season. Correction: Reed instead of Horton. Matters little as neither Horton, Reed , or Davis seen to be SEC guards.

[HoopsDawg]

We can change rotations all we want. It's not going to change the outcome.

I just showed you how that's not true. If Shaq plays 35 minutes tonight, we win.

[msstate7]

And he plays his non-SEC recruits before Hamilton, Murphy, and Russell. He better learn to recruit and coach some offense as Howland's recruits will be in the portal. McNair had a good game. Horton and Jones are wasted minutes. Have been to every home game. During OOC games I posted fill the Hump. These guys are fun to watch. I was wrong as they are brutal to watch against SEC teams. Offensive is as bad as our football offense against good defenses. I don't think he even knows who his best players or rotations are at this point in the season.

Unless he's making some point about some guys practicing hard or something, he's a complete moron as far as I'm concerned. What else would justify not starting Moore?

[EdwardDrayton]

I just showed you how that's not true. If Shaq plays 35 minutes tonight, we win.

I should have been more clear Hoops. Won't change the course of the remainder of the season. Might it change one game occasionally. Maybe. But it won't change we just don't have the talent to be consistent.

[msstate7]

i should have been more clear Hoops. Won't change the course of the remainder of the season. Might it change one game occasionally. Maybe. But it won't change we just don't have the talent to be consistent.

And the talent level is dropping with the 2023 class. The last time a sec team signed at least 4 guys with an avg per recruit of less than 87 was South Carolina in 2017.

[Goldendawg]

I would probably start: Davis, Moore, Jones, Matthews, and McNair. Bring Tolu and DJ off the bench. And then 1 more guy. Don't know who. Maybe just play 7.

Have you looked at Jones stat line the last two games with lots of minutes?

[msstate7]

And the talent level is dropping with the 2023 class. The last time a sec team signed at least 4 guys with an avg per recruit of less than 87 was South Carolina in 2017.

here's that SC class...

https://i.postimg.cc/QMcMRcTN/D7864334-1-CA0-4107-BDB2-950-A6-ACB9312.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7CYDzG9j)

Buncha studs for sure

[EdwardDrayton]

And the talent level is dropping with the 2023 class. The last time a sec team signed at least 4 guys with an avg per recruit of less than 87 was South Carolina in 2017.

I'll say I'm glad I'm not in Jans shoes. But he deserves the chance to find a path out of this situation.

[msstate7]

I'll say I'm glad I'm not in Jans shoes. But he deserves the chance to find a path out of this situation.

I'm pulling for him, but I think it's just a matter of time till I'm pulling for the new guy. I've saw nothing from him to suggest he can get the talent necessary to compete

[Goldendawg]

Unless he's making some point about some guys practicing hard or something, he's a complete moron as far as I'm concerned. What else would justify not starting Moore?

Has said before he won't play guys who are defensive liabilities, ( has thrown this at Murphy). What about the "offensive liabilities" as he constantly plays (his boys?)? He said on the post game show that Moore is getting starters minutes but is the only player he can bring off the bench to give a spark. Also said his starters are digging a whole at the beginnings of the games. Davis played on a Oregon State team that went about 3-28, 1-19 in conference. Guess we got the best player off a horrible team. *** Start Moore and give Russell, Murphy, and Hamilton some minutes. Can't me much worse on offense.

[Ranchdawg]

My hope is the new A.D. Selmon will hold people and especially coaches accountable. And I do mean really accountable. No more just being hopeful or no more good ol boy or no more only a few alumni controlling things in the athletic Dept. Somebody?s program is not performing and recruiting is not up to SEC standards then that coach gets called to the office and is instructed to correct the problem or you are going to get fired. We are now paying way too much money to accept losing and inept coaching.

And please don?t respond you will never build a program that way because nobody will want to coach here. I call B.S. on that. Because other programs do it every year with first year coaches. And we are not paying peanuts anymore.

[R2Dawg]

Did we change something defensively before Auburn? I?m trying to figure out why 3 teams in a row have shot lights out from 3. I blew the AU game off as luck, the UT game I just assumed because they are superior to us but this game really makes me wonder what is going on defensively from 3

I was beginning to think the same thing. Every team has a career high shooting night against us. Some of it luck as some 3s are contested and way out but this trend is disturbing . Maybe we suck on D too.

[R2Dawg]

I just showed you how that's not true. If Shaq plays 35 minutes tonight, we win.

Jans not figuring out the rotations and who the best players are at this point in season is killing us. It is small things when you lose close games.

Cam, Shaq need all the minutes they can get period. McNair is outplaying Tolu. DJ just isn't helping us much and hurts more than helps a lot. Davis and Reed play good in spurts. I don't know how you can be so wishy washy with PT at this point in the season.

[msstate7]

Obviously I went overboard last night. I wanna see jans do 2 things the rest of this season/offseason...

1. Play Moore, cam, Hamilton, Murphy, and jones as many minutes as possible. I wanna see if he can develop these guys as a starting point for next year. W/L probably shouldn't even be a concern at this point bc we won't be able to win enough games to get to the tourney. Play for the future.

2. Recruiting the portal has to be a major step up from last year and this year's HS/juco class. And since I expect him to do this, I just upped my monthly donation to BI

[HoopsDawg]

Obviously I went overboard last night. I wanna see jans do 2 things the rest of this season/offseason...

1. Play Moore, cam, Hamilton, Murphy, and jones as many minutes as possible. I wanna see if he can develop these guys as a starting point for next year. W/L probably shouldn't even be a concern at this point bc we won't be able to win enough games to get to the tourney. Play for the future.

2. Recruiting the portal has to be a major step up from last year and this year's HS/juco class. And since I expect him to do this, I just upped my monthly donation to BI

Did you direct it to hoops?

[msstate7]

Did you direct it to hoops?

Not specifically, no. I have it for baseball, football, and basketball. I assume it's evenly split, but I really don't know.

[EdwardDrayton]

Not specifically, no. I have it for baseball, football, and basketball. I assume it's evenly split, but I really don't know.

Wish we at least would get some general guidance from the BDI. For example, is a disproportionate amount being earmarked for football and we need more funds directed to hoops and baseball. Do we not have enough basketball funds to compete for bball players? Look, I get it's tricky PR wise. If the funds are there and we're still not pulling decent players, it becomes highlighted publicly. So seed the info here with a back channel. We don't have to completely coddle these coaches, they're getting paid a fortune. And we are the ones funding it all by the way.

[maroonmania]

Jans is not going to be fired, unless this continues on through the 24/25 season. He has an enormous job on his hands, because talented players are becoming harder and harder to find, and then we have to sign them. Howland was here too long really, and while our program remained in a coma, our competitors around us invested and left us way behind.

Just a general statement on basketball, and I know our program has been struggling for a while now, but with the transfer portal available in a sport that only really needs 7 to 9 players, if a coach can't get things fixed in 3 years or so then it's probably time to start looking elsewhere. That being said, this is still just year one for Jans.

[CovertDawg]

https://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Mississippi+St.
If you scroll down it gives the data on all the individual players. I think Jans will eventually win here and this is primarily a roster construction issue (too many terrible shooters.) That being said, I would like to see much more well defined roles for our guys on offense. The sample size is big enough now for most of them to where we know what they can and cannot do.

Davis has proven he can shoot 3s but never gets to the rim (only 15 attempts on Close 2s all season!)
Moore is throwing up bricks (22% from 3, and 29% from Far 2) but has shown he can get to the rim. (46 attempts on close 2s at 63%)

Matthews, DJ, and Moore should strictly attack off the dribble and forget shooting 3s.
Murphy, Hamilton, and Davis should launch 3s. Small sample size for Murphy and Hamilton so far but they can't be worse at shooting than what we have seen from the other guys.
Tolu should never shoot outside of 3 feet and the same goes for McNair. Shoot within 3 feet and crash the boards. That is what their job should be.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm pulling for him, but I think it's just a matter of time till I'm pulling for the new guy. I've saw nothing from him to suggest he can get the talent necessary to compete

What coach ever will, unless we divert football/baseball NIL money to basketball? We just don't have enough population or money here in Mississippi to support another big sport.

[msstate7]

What coach ever will, unless we divert football/baseball NIL money to basketball? We just don't have enough population or money here in Mississippi to support another big sport.

Our previous coach got enough talent to compete. Ucla just broke him coaching-wise

[NCMSTFAN]

Our previous coach got enough talent to compete. Ucla just broke him coaching-wise

I agree, but I'll take the talent any day. Most coaches will yell you that. Good coaching only gets you so far, you have to have talented players to be successful and I don't think Jans will be able to recruit well enough to sustain success at State.