OC Hired - App State OC Kevin Barbay

[Big4Dawg]

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1613557738092519426?s=46&t=VaxIekwk-HQZZ4OfK9PZ6w

Looks like this is over!

[Big4Dawg]

Here’s his numbers the last two years.

App St 2022

Passing offense #48
Passing efficiency #19
Rushing offense #21
Yards per completion #24
Total offense #26
Scoring offense #23
43% pass vs 57% run

CMU 2021
Passing offense #29
Rushing offense #51
Total offense #24
Scoring offense #35
46% pass vs 54% run

[Cooterpoot]

There it is.

[Msujd164]

We supposed to get excited? Yall let me know. I get a blah feeling

[Cooterpoot]

We supposed to get excited? Kinda blah imo

His offense has the best passing efficiency numbers in the country.
This is a really good hire. Ratios are 56/44 basically, so balanced.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That is a solid hire. Not flashy but solid.

[HancockCountyDog]

Well that is a big shift from the Air Raid.

App State was definitely a ground and pound type team - ask A&M.

Rushes - 474
Passes - 358

I can't imagine we are going to run that offense though.

[Extendedcab]

Didn't App State beat TA&M this year in College Station?

[Tbonewannabe]

Will he coach QBs or are we waiting on a QB coach?

[TrapGame]

His offense has the best passing efficiency numbers in the country.
This is a really good hire. Ratios are 56/44 basically, so balanced.

Yep. App State's offense is pretty damn good.

[Msujd164]

Everyone seems to think it?s a solid hire. Good job Capt Zac!

[basedog]

Seems like a good hire.

[Really Clark?]

Fantastic Hire!!

[HancockCountyDog]

I think it is safe to say that we are not going with the hybrid Air Raid.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Ap St is a pro style offense.

They average about 6.31 per play.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Will he coach QBs or are we waiting on a QB coach?

He does coach Qbs

[mo7888]

The definition of meh...

[Msujd164]

Can we get an updated staff roster? I dont even know who all we have now!

[CoachT14]

I'm eating a good helping of crow right now. Great hire Arnett!

[CoachT14]

App State has already scrubbed his info... dang.

[BlackSailsDawg]

He was 1 year @ App St. Before he was at Central Michigan

[Dawgface]

C34 gets his wish.....run heavy but called balanced. Hope it works out.

[CaptainObvious]

Ap St is a pro style offense.

They average about 6.31 per play.

So?. Are you saying 50% of their plays went for 0 yards and 50% went for 12.62 yards???

Haha. I know. I know. That?s not how it?s figured.

Carry on with the party.

[mo7888]

C34 gets his wish.....run heavy but called balanced. Hope it works out.

It won't...never does...

[Coach34]

Well that is a big shift from the Air Raid.

App State was definitely a ground and pound type team - ask A&M.

Rushes - 474
Passes - 358

I can't imagine we are going to run that offense though.

I absolutely think we will run it. QB only had 71 carries for just over 100 yards.

They play physical and hit you with play action for big plays

[Coach34]

It won't...never does...

We were a top half SEC offense the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. We werent under Leach

[Op4isabitch]

I’m pretty excited by this hire. I don’t know shit about football but I just want to be excited.

[EdwardDrayton]

The definition of meh...

WHY??!!??

Guessing you're like me and really don't know ANYTHING about him. So let's dig in, mine the due diligence and see what this cat is all about.

I'm just PUMPED we have somebody to dissect now!!! Won't he be thrilled?!!? LOL!!!

[CaptainObvious]

Are our 18 wide receivers good at run blocking?

Is Will transferring out yet?

How many of our offensive starters are now in the portal?

Can this guy adjust his philosophy to fit out personnel?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[tcdog70]

we were set up to have another 9-win season next year. Now I'am afraid of this hire.. We have personnel. for the air raid but looks like now we will go to running it more again. When we have been a run first team we have been average at best.. I wish we had stayed air raid family. But I'll get on board and hope for the best.

[CaptainObvious]

He was 1 year @ App St. Before he was at Central Michigan

Sounds like a job hopper. Has he ever worked for Walmart?

[HancockCountyDog]

We are going back to running the ball. That is a good thing.

Based on the stats, he has never required a running QB not at Central Michigan and not at App State, which is great for Will.

He runs out of the pistol a ton, which I like. They beat A&M by running the ball 52 times and only completing 15 passes, so yeah - we are in for a change.

[HancockCountyDog]

I absolutely think we will run it. QB only had 71 carries for just over 100 yards.

They play physical and hit you with play action for big plays

It is a big shift. I know some talked about a modern Air Raid offense that incorporated the run game, this sure as sh!t ain't that.

This is a pistol formation, run the ball offense that hits you with playaction. Its a massive shift.

Now lets be clear, I like this type of offense, but I like it more with a QB run threat, which hasn't been his M.O., but holy hell, this is a big damn shift.

Arnett is clearly putting his stamp on this team.

[TrapGame]

Well, he ain't no Mike Bobo.*****

[Dawgface]

I’m pretty excited by this hire. I don’t know shit about football but I just want to be excited.

When I wake up every morning I'm excited. Walking on eggshells at this stage. Ha

[Commercecomet24]

This is a very good hire! Arnett has done a dang good job assembling this staff.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We were a top half SEC offense the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. We werent under Leach

Why do you have to lie to build up something else?

We were ranked #29 last year. Leach's 2nd year. There is absolutely no reason to tear down Leach.


BTW.. Mullen was ranked 49th in year 2.

[Ari Gold]

We supposed to get excited? Yall let me know. I get a blah feeling

We don?t give a **** if you get excited or not.. How?s that ...

[BlackSailsDawg]

Are our 18 wide receivers good at run blocking?

Is Will transferring out yet?

How many of our offensive starters are now in the portal?

Can this guy adjust his philosophy to fit out personnel?

Inquiring minds want to know.

He will have to jump on some TEs before the 18th! we will have to maintain what we have.

[Ari Gold]

The definition of meh...

The feeling your father in law had when he heard the news ..

[BlackSailsDawg]

It is a big shift. I know some talked about a modern Air Raid offense that incorporated the run game, this sure as sh!t ain't that.

This is a pistol formation, run the ball offense that hits you with playaction. Its a massive shift.

Now lets be clear, I like this type of offense, but I like it more with a QB run threat, which hasn't been his M.O., but holy hell, this is a big damn shift.

Arnett is clearly putting his stamp on this team.

Yeah is is from the McElwain tree.

[gtowndawg]

Little nervous that he doesn't have a longer track record of work (as an OC) but watching his interviews I do like him. Solid hire that I'll put in the "up and comer" category for now.

Now let's lock down some transfers!

[Coach34]

Why do you have to lie to build up something else?

We were ranked #29 last year. Leach's 2nd year. There is absolutely no reason to tear down Leach.


BTW.. Mullen was ranked 49th in year 2.

What lie? We were 60th in Scoring O last year 2021...43rd in 2022 (which was helped alot by ST's). You need to get some facts straight

[Desoto1967]

So will Will end up in Tulsa or Western Kentucky?

[Really Clark?]

So will Will end up in Tulsa or Western Kentucky?

Why would Will leave? This is not a QB run required OC hire, not even close. Locke should have stayed too.

[msu15]

I love the pistol and I watched all of their game against A&M last year and was very impressed by what the did offensively scheme wise. I am happy!

[Coach34]

So will Will end up in Tulsa or Western Kentucky?

only fear for Will is having to throw deep on play action

[KOdawg1]

A+ hire. Balanced offense with tempo. I love it.

There are some certain insiders that are pissed Dellenger beat them to the punch

[msudawg1200]

I love the "meh" hire posters. They don't even have a clue what type of offense Barbay runs. or anything about his history. Just because it's not "muh Kendal Briles" or some flashy hire it sucks.

[BlackSailsDawg]

What lie? We were 60th in Scoring O last year 2021...43rd in 2022 (which was helped alot by ST's). You need to get some facts straight

First, you didn't say anything other than offense:

We were a top half SEC offense the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. You then sought to tear down Leach to prop up your BS. I correctly told you we were #29 in Offense in Leach's year 2. Now you want to move the Goal Post.

So now you want to go by scoring. Guess what. Leach was scoring more in year 2 than Mullen in year 2.

Mullen 29 points.
Leach 29.1.


Like I said. You just can't do anything without tearing down something else. Even if that means lying. BTW, year 3 Leach ... 31.6. Mullen 25.3 and ranked in the 73rd

[BlackSailsDawg]

I love the "meh" hire posters. They don't even have a clue what type of offense Barbay runs. or anything about his history. Just because it's not "muh Kendal Briles" or some flashy hire it sucks.

He is hired. Now we support.

[Commercecomet24]

I love the "meh" hire posters. They don't even have a clue what type of offense Barbay runs. or anything about his history. Just because it's not "muh Kendal Briles" or some flashy hire it sucks.

Right, and no matter who we hired there were gonna be folks on here not happy about it. The fact is we ran the only version of the Leach Air Raid in the country. When we lost our Pirate Captain that offense went with him. Let's see what Zach and staff can do.

[Commercecomet24]

He is hired. Now we support.

Yes!!!

[Cooterpoot]

Anyone that thought throwing the ball the way we did this year was a good idea or offense is a damn fool. Our scoring went down. Alabama ate that shit alive and laughed about it. One TD in 3 years. Give me balance, tempo, and scoring on offense.

[TrapGame]

Right, and no matter who we hired there were gonna be folks on here not happy about it. The fact is we ran the only version of the Leach Air Raid in the country. When we lost our Pirate Captain that offense went with him. Let's see what Zach and staff can do.

Exactly. Zach wants to win. He wasn't made head coach to carry on Leach's legacy. This is his team. I will support him and the new OC until they give me ample reason not too.

[Matt3467]

Wow this is a completely unexpected hire out of left field. Hope it works out. I'm like a few others in that I wish we stayed close to the air raid similar to what TN runs but looks like we may be back to more familiar MSU territory.

[Coach34]

First, you didn't say anything other than offense:

We were a top half SEC offense the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. You then sought to tear down Leach to prop up your BS. I correctly told you we were #29 in Offense in Leach's year 2. Now you want to move the Goal Post.

So now you want to go by scoring. Guess what. Leach was scoring more in year 2 than Mullen in year 2.

Mullen 29 points.
Leach 29.1.


Like I said. You just can't do anything without tearing down something else. Even if that means lying. BTW, year 3 Leach ... 31.6. Mullen 25.3 and ranked in the 73rd

Leach SEC Scoring:

13th in 2020
9th in 2021
8th in 2022

Mullen:

2017- 7th
2016- 7th
2015- 5th
2014- 2nd

I clearly said the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. Mullen took over a rebuild and didnt have the luxury of the portal and such. Y2 Mullen and Y2 Leach are Apples/Oranges

[TrapGame]

Wow this is a completely unexpected hire out of left field. Hope it works out. I'm like a few others in that I wish we stayed close to the air raid similar to what TN runs but looks like we may be back to more familiar MSU territory.

People around here have been saying our in-state recruits are more suitable for this style of offense. The coaching staff is going all in on MS recruits. We hire Barbay as OC. It's all coming together. Arnett sees what's being offered in this state and got an offense to go with it.

[DownwardDawg]

we were set up to have another 9-win season next year. Now I'am afraid of this hire.. We have personnel. for the air raid but looks like now we will go to running it more again. When we have been a run first team we have been average at best.. I wish we had stayed air raid family. But I'll get on board and hope for the best.

When I looked at next year's schedule, and what the other teams had returning, I was hoping we could find 8 wins again but expecting 7 wins.
Arkansas will be better.
aTm will be a tough win
South Carolina at their place.... very tough
LSU
Bama

Hard to find 9 wins when you look at that schedule. If we win 7 I'll say we won as many as we would have if Leach were still here.

[DownwardDawg]

So will Will end up in Tulsa or Western Kentucky?

Will is the starter at State next year. Non topic

[Desoto1967]

Moorhead brought a QB with him. Any way this guy does?

[ZedFedder]

Outside of Arnett landing Kingsbury, many of you were determined to be "meh" on this after Briles. What else do you want the guy to do? Great job, Arnett.

[dawgday166]

People around here have been saying our in-state recruits are more suitable for this style of offense. The coaching staff is going all in on MS recruits. We hire Barbay as OC. It's all coming together. Arnett sees what's being offered in this state and got an offense to go with it.

There's only about 20 max in any given year that are SEC players. MS doesn't produce a lot of in-state Olinemen that are SEC quality. We do produce WRs and RBs, which OM gets most of the WRs (need to stop that). MS also doesn't produce a lot of top notch QBs either. And any highly rated prospects we still have to compete with Bama, LSU, AU on top of OM. So IMO ... we need a wider net which is one of the things Leach and his staff brought to the table.

So I ain't getting the offensive emphasis on MS for recruiting, other than WRs & RBs. Gonna have to mostly recruit out of state for Olinemen and QBs IMO. Defense is another story tho.

[Msujd164]

We don?t give a **** if you get excited or not.. How?s that ...

Eat. Shit. How is that?

[Jarius]

There's only about 20 max in any given year that are SEC players. MS doesn't produce a lot of in-state Olinemen that are SEC quality. We do produce WRs and RBs, which OM gets most of the WRs (need to stop that). MS also doesn't produce a lot of top notch QBs either. And any highly rated ones we still have to compete with Bama, LSU, AU on top of OM. So IMO ... we need a wider net which is one of the things Leach and his staff brought to the table.

So I ain't getting the offensive emphasis on MS for recruiting, other than WRs & RBs. Gonna have to mostly recruit out of state for Olinemen and QBs IMO. Defense is another story tho.

Leach recruited at the same level as every other coach we have ever had recruited at…..and we are going to be absolutely fine with Friend recruiting Olinemen. He is an exceptional recruiter.

[Coach34]

There's only about 20 max in any given year that are SEC players. MS doesn't produce a lot of in-state Olinemen that are SEC quality. We do produce WRs and RBs, which OM gets most of the WRs (need to stop that). MS also doesn't produce a lot of top notch QBs either. And any highly rated ones we still have to compete with Bama, LSU, AU on top of OM. So IMO ... we need a wider net which is one of the things Leach and his staff brought to the table.

So I ain't getting the offensive emphasis on MS for recruiting, other than WRs & RBs. Gonna have to mostly recruit out of state for Olinemen and QBs IMO. Defense is another story tho.

In addition to being a good OL coach- Friend was brought in for his Alabama connections as well. Bama has given us some real good guys over the years.

Locking up as many of the best in Mississippi gives your team depth. They may not be stars all the time but it gives you guys that can play pretty well and make your team more solid on down the line

[BeardoMSU]

How much does this guy use tempo?

And Will being an immobile QB is still worrisome, yes? Regardless of offensive scheme?

[PMDawg]

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[BlackSailsDawg]

Outside of Arnett landing Kingsbury, many of you were determined to be "meh" on this after Briles. What else do you want the guy to do? Great job, Arnett.

Actually, I didn't like the Briles hire.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Half the passes, double the downfield shots. Like the pistol formations also, but that play action ain't gonna fool anyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iXlUMJf5wh0

[Dawgface]

Half the passes, double the downfield shots. Like the pistol formations also, but that play action ain't gonna fool anyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iXlUMJf5wh0

Not bad. I do hope things go well for Barbay. It will be interesting how our offense looks next year in comparison. And I sincerely want Arnett to succeed as a HC even tho I had hoped for a modified version of the air raid.

[Dawgology]

Not bad. I do hope things go well for Barbay. It will be interesting how our offense looks next year in comparison. And I sincerely want Arnett to succeed as a HC even tho I had hoped for a modified version of the air raid.

Count me in the same camp as you. Hopes for more of a hybrid air raid coach. Really want Arnett to succeed I really like him. If Barbay is a good OC he will adjust to his players and not try to force a square peg in a round hole and slowly transition to his style. We will see. It should be apparent pretty quickly.

[Cooterpoot]

How much does this guy use tempo?

And Will being an immobile QB is still worrisome, yes? Regardless of offensive scheme?


Tempo a lot. He doesn't really run his QBs a ton.

[EdwardDrayton]

only fear for Will is having to throw deep on play action

I just shuddered at the thought

[EdwardDrayton]

Well, he ain't no Mike Bobo.*****

We should all be excited at the very least for no other reason than it's not Mike Bobo!!

[PikeDawg15]

When I looked at next year's schedule, and what the other teams had returning, I was hoping we could find 8 wins again but expecting 7 wins.
Arkansas will be better.
aTm will be a tough win
South Carolina at their place.... very tough
LSU
Bama

Hard to find 9 wins when you look at that schedule. If we win 7 I'll say we won as many as we would have if Leach were still here.


Arkansas isn?t going to exactly be better. They had a horrible defense this year and lost one of the best defensive coordinators in the country. Their defensive talent will take 2-3 years to get on our level of defense. All of their talented players are on offense

[StarkVegasSteve]

In addition to being a good OL coach- Friend was brought in for his Alabama connections as well. Bama has given us some real good guys over the years.

Locking up as many of the best in Mississippi gives your team depth. They may not be stars all the time but it gives you guys that can play pretty well and make your team more solid on down the line

Will Friend recruits FL, GA, and TN. Those are where his connections are. He softens the blow of losing Mason a bit in GA. Mason was very well liked and respected throughout that state of GA.

[confucius say]

We were a top half SEC offense the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. We werent under Leach

Well mullen had an all pro qb and the sec all team leading rusher for a qb. Leach never had anything close to an nfl qb here. Give leach Dak.

Point is. We need a big time qb regardless of system.

[Coach34]

Will Friend recruits FL, GA, and TN. Those are where his connections are. He softens the blow of losing Mason a bit in GA. Mason was very well liked and respected throughout that state of GA.

Friend played at Bama, coached at West Alabama, Tuscaloosa Central HS, UAB, and Auburn. He has alot of Bama connections

[Coach34]

Well mullen had an all pro qb and the sec all team leading rusher for a qb. Leach never had anything close to an nfl qb here. Give leach Dak.

Point is. We need a big time qb regardless of system.

Leach had the chance to portal Rogers the last 2 years and didnt do it. He had who he wanted

[TNDawg35]

Well mullen had an all pro qb and the sec all team leading rusher for a qb. Leach never had anything close to an nfl qb here. Give leach Dak.

Point is. We need a big time qb regardless of system.

I really wish Locke would have stayed..

[confucius say]

Leach SEC Scoring:

13th in 2020
9th in 2021
8th in 2022

Mullen:

2017- 7th
2016- 7th
2015- 5th
2014- 2nd

I clearly said the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. Mullen took over a rebuild and didnt have the luxury of the portal and such. Y2 Mullen and Y2 Leach are Apples/Oranges

So are years 6-9 of dan and 1-3 of leach. It's a bad comparison.

[confucius say]

Will is the starter at State next year. Non topic

If so the offense will be very limited

[confucius say]

Outside of Arnett landing Kingsbury, many of you were determined to be "meh" on this after Briles. What else do you want the guy to do? Great job, Arnett.

I like it long term.
Next year not so much unless he finds a qb

[StarkVegasSteve]

Leach had the chance to portal Rogers the last 2 years and didnt do it. He had who he wanted

Except when we brought Jack Abraham in to start in 2021.

[confucius say]

Leach had the chance to portal Rogers the last 2 years and didnt do it. He had who he wanted

That has to do with coaching decisions regarding personnel. Not scheme. The underlying debate was over scheme.

The truth is both schemes can be successful if the right qb is in place. It's 75% about the qb.

[HancockCountyDog]

That has to do with coaching decisions regarding personnel. Not scheme. The underlying debate was over scheme.

The truth is both schemes can be successful if the right qb is in place. It's 75% about the qb.

This offense is centered around the HB and the OL, the QB is more of a game manager which actually plays to Rogers strength in my opinion.

He won't be asked to carry the team, and I think he can be careful with the ball. This could be good for Will, except for stats, but overall it could be really good for him.

[Dawgface]

I really wish Locke would have stayed..

Me too. He may have been playing for State sooner rather than later.

[confucius say]

This offense is centered around the HB and the OL, the QB is more of a game manager which actually plays to Rogers strength in my opinion.

He won't be asked to carry the team, and I think he can be careful with the ball. This could be good for Will, except for stats, but overall it could be really good for him.

If we are bringing in a scheme where our success is predicated on having OL better than the SEC DL we will face then we are screwed.

[HancockCountyDog]

If we are bringing in a scheme where our success is predicated on having OL better than the SEC DL we will face then we are screwed.

They beat A&M by running it 52 times and completing 15 passes.

This offense runs the damn ball.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Leach was about to make adjustments. Look at the QBs he was after. He realized you gotta be able to do things other than throw it 50x

[BrunswickDawg]

They beat A&M by running it 52 times and completing 15 passes.

This offense runs the damn ball.

That offense went 25 of 36 for 361 and 6TD passes in taking UNC to OT (while also running for 288)

It went 40/53 for 395 and 3 TDs when the run game got shut down against James Madison. The offense is variable - and probably the closest to balanced as any we have ever run (30 passes/40 runs a game in '22)

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not to derail this thread too much, but Brandon Streeter was just fired at Clemson. If we have an offensive analyst position we may want to see if he'd be interested for a year.

[Commercecomet24]

That offense went 25 of 36 for 361 and 6TD passes in taking UNC to OT (while also running for 288)

It went 40/53 for 395 and 3 TDs when the run game got shut down against James Madison. The offense is variable - and probably the closest to balanced as any we have ever run (30 passes/40 runs a game in '22)

Yeah he's very diverse and actually calls plays based on what the defense is giving. I like the fact Barbay games plan and calls plays to attack what the weakness of the defense is instead of just running the same offense week in and week out. He showed he can win running or throwing or both, now that's true balance.

[Todd4State]

Yeah he's very diverse and actually calls plays based on what the defense is giving. I like the fact Barbay games plan and calls plays to attack what the weakness of the defense is instead of just running the same offense week in and week out. He showed he can win running or throwing or both, now that's true balance.

With Leach every defense did the same thing so there really wasn't a lot of game planning.

[Apoplectic]

I?ll allow it

[MrCoachKlein]

With Leach every defense did the same thing so there really wasn't a lot of game planning.

That's not true. Everyone tried the drop 8 after Arky stopped us with it, then we started (painfully) beating it with long, boring short passes. After that teams played us different albeit still mostly zone unless they couldn't stop us. In 21 when we forced man Will killed them over the top. I think that was the main difference in his 21 and 22 season. Seemed like he couldn't do it in 22 like he did in 21. Whether that's an injury, no Polk or whatever is for others to argue about.

[bobtail bob]

This is a great hire. Young fresh ideas. I like that Arnett has a vision of where were are going and is making it happen.

[chef dixon]

So how will he use Tulu?

[Saltydog]

Leach was about to make adjustments. Look at the QBs he was after. He realized you gotta be able to do things other than throw it 50x

Which further reiterates why CZA shouldn't have destroyed the whole offensive scheme and staff.........

[MrCoachKlein]

Which further reiterates why CZA shouldn't have destroyed the whole offensive scheme and staff.........

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

[Commercecomet24]

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

[BeardoMSU]

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

Seriously. That should always be priority.

[msu15]

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

And this guy will definitely do it. I just finished rewatching App State-A&M and this definitely won't be Moorhead 2.0 trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Multiple formations and personnel groups and a wide variety of play calls. Get some TE's from the portal and we'll be ready to roll.

[Commercecomet24]

And this guy will definitely do it. I just finished rewatching App State-A&M and this definitely won't be Moorhead 2.0 trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Multiple formations and personnel groups and a wide variety of play calls. Get some TE's from the portal and we'll be ready to roll.

I've watched a lot of videos on his offenses today too and you're right the guy is extremely diverse and attacks defenses by exploiting their weaknesses whether that be by land or air. I love the diversity he brings. Players should be excited

[MrCoachKlein]

I've watched a lot of videos on his offenses today too and you're right the guy is extremely diverse and attacks defenses by exploiting their weaknesses whether that be by land or air. I love the diversity he brings. Players should be excited

I like that. Always liked how the patriots would throw it 50 times a game against Pitt when they knew they couldn't run. Went full air raid then next week would play a team that couldn't stop the run and do that 40 times.

[Commercecomet24]

I like that. Always liked how the patriots would throw it 50 times a game against Pitt when they knew they couldn't run. Went full air raid then next week would play a team that couldn't stop the run and do that 40 times.

Right, you need an offense that can morph. I'm not saying Barbay is the be all end all but he is very diverse in what he does and that's promising.

[Spiderman]

Half the passes, double the downfield shots. Like the pistol formations also, but that play action ain't gonna fool anyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iXlUMJf5wh0

Rogers in that offense ( with zero TE's on the roster by the way) will be worse than Fitz trying to run Moorhead's stuff.

A rebuild when we have so many pieces returning. Looks like 2018 all over again

[Dawsonmsu]

This hire will be a total bust. Our offense will rank in the bottom part of the sec next year. Very vanilla offense. Appalachian State has finished in the top 30 in offense the last 3 years. This guy didn’t do anything special this year. Love arnett though.

[662dawg]

Rogers in that offense ( with zero TE's on the roster by the way) will be worse than Fitz trying to run Moorhead's stuff.

A rebuild when we have so many pieces returning. Looks like 2018 all over again

This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.

[Spiderman]

This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.

Where are you gonna get 3 SEC quality TE's between now and then?

[ZedFedder]

This hire will be a total bust. Our offense will rank in the bottom part of the sec next year. Very vanilla offense. Appalachian State has finished in the top 30 in offense the last 3 years. This guy didn’t do anything special this year. Love arnett though.

Troll. Go fund Lane’s 9 mil.

[662dawg]

Where are you gonna get 3 SEC quality TE's between now and then?

Portal? Fwiw, 2 of Central Michigan's TE's were similar in size to Antonio Harmon. But who's to say he want just adapt to the current personal as much as possible?

[Saltydog]

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

There are a ton of candidates out there that ran some version of the air raid that I'm sure were qualified. Just go look at some of the names mentioned on this board the last few weeks but I'm sure they were all less qualified, rolls eyes. We'll see what transpires and maybe he will adapt but we'll find out in a few weeks I guess.

[MrCoachKlein]

Wills definitely not as mobile in the pocket as the app qb, but he also won't miss on some of throws that qb did. As long as he can throw a deep ball with his feet set we'll be OK. Need 21 Rodgers not 22.

TEs were must with any OC we hired

[Spiderman]

Portal? Fwiw, 2 of Central Michigan's TE's were similar in size to Antonio Harmon. But who's to say he want just adapt to the current personal as much as possible?

He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

[662dawg]

Wills definitely not as mobile in the pocket as the app qb, but he also won't miss on some of throws that qb did. As long as he can throw a deep ball with his feet set we'll be OK. Need 21 Rodgers not 22.

TEs were must with any OC we hired

I agree that Will wouldn't have missed some of those passes & I'm not a huge fan of Will 2022 but he's a much better passer than the app QB. A little more mobile than Will but he wasn't exactly Lamar Jackson either ha

[BlackSailsDawg]

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

[662dawg]

He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

He's got a great track record thus far so we'll see.

[662dawg]

And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

This was not a panic hire. I'm almost sure he was the second OC offered. Sounds like it was a well ran process with several interviews & Barbary really impressed them.

[BlackSailsDawg]

There are a ton of candidates out there that ran some version of the air raid that I'm sure were qualified. Just go look at some of the names mentioned on this board the last few weeks but I'm sure they were all less qualified, rolls eyes. We'll see what transpires and maybe he will adapt but we'll find out in a few weeks I guess.

The more and more comes out, the more it looks like you are right.

[Coach34]

In Year 1 we dont need All-SEC types at TE. Just bring in a couple guys that are physical. Then recruit better players there. We can still go alot of 3 wide

[BlackSailsDawg]

This was not a panic hire. I'm almost sure he was the second OC offered. Sounds like it was a well ran process with several interviews & Barbary really impressed them.

Here are the words of APP St:

Mississippi State called Kevin Barbay yesterday afternoon, he interviewed last night, and he took the job this morning.

That's not a well ran process.

[Coach34]

Here are the words of APP St:

Mississippi State called Kevin Barbay yesterday afternoon, he interviewed last night, and he took the job this morning.

That's not a well ran process.

Translated:

Arnett has been interviewing people and nobody really impressed him. Barbay interviewed and Arnett knew he had found his guy.

[Cooterpoot]

Thomas is trolling y'all

[Really Clark?]

We interviewed multiple candidates but none, outside of Briles last week, were offered the job. The coaches spent a lot of time on this and knew what they were looking for. When they interviewed Barbay they knew within 15 minutes he was the guy. He fits. In personality and in philosophy with what ZA wanted. This was NOT a rushed hire or a panic hire. He was the guy and ZA knew it almost immediately. If it works, time will tell but this was as a very well thought out search.

Look at all the guys we know he targeted / discussed the job with, Briles, Littrell, Kittley, Johns, Cramsey, Candle, Nagle, and Barbay. What is a common thread among most of. If not all of those candidates. Their offensive output analytics are some of the top of the profession. ZA is smart and most definitely had a well thought out plan of what and who he was looking for.

[Todd4State]

Translated:

Arnett has been interviewing people and nobody really impressed him. Barbay interviewed and Arnett knew he had found his guy.

Or that we were turned down multiple times.

[662dawg]

Here are the words of APP St:

Mississippi State called Kevin Barbay yesterday afternoon, he interviewed last night, and he took the job this morning.

That's not a well ran process.

He was interviewed at the convention. Now he may have had a second interview last night & then offered, that I don't know. But word on the screet is he WAS interviewed in Charlotte.

[Todd4State]

We interviewed multiple candidates but none, outside of Briles last week, were offered the job. The coaches spent a lot of time on this and knew what they were looking for. When they interviewed Barbay they knew within 15 minutes he was the guy. He fits. In personality and in philosophy with what ZA wanted. This was NOT a rushed hire or a panic hire. He was the guy and ZA knew it almost immediately. If it works, time will tell but this was as a very well thought out search.

Look at all the guys we know he targeted / discussed the job with, Briles, Littrell, Kittley, Johns, Cramsey, Candle, Nagle, and Barbay. What is a common thread among most of. If not all of those candidates. Their offensive output analytics are some of the top of the profession. ZA is smart and most definitely had a well thought out plan of what and who he was looking for.

So we're going off of Dave Bartoo's matrix to hire our offensive coordinator?

Comforting.**

The only guy that remotely fits our personnel on that list is Kittley.

Play calling is important- but having players that fit is perhaps even more important. For example- Dan Mullen as a play caller with Dak had better numbers than Dan Mullen with Tyson Lee and Chris Relf.

That's going to be a HUGE issue for us next year unless Barbay can actually adjust his scheme to his talent. Which in my experience watching football pretty much never happens. And when someone actually does try to adjust their personnel to the scheme it never maximizes the production because those players are put in positions where they aren't maximized so it's essentially a waste of talent.

Again- MSU fans falling for the "we can outscheme them" trap while grossly undervaluing the importance of players and their actual skill sets.

[DownwardDawg]

Here are the words of APP St:

Mississippi State called Kevin Barbay yesterday afternoon, he interviewed last night, and he took the job this morning.

That's not a well ran process.
There's NO WAY you are not a troll at this point. No way.
Well done. You've ruffled a couple of folk's feathers.

[DEDawg]

This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.
Ehhh my only concern is will on deep play action. I am cautiously optimistic but would feel better if he had a little better arm. I am envisioning lame ducks floating

[662dawg]

So we're going off of Dave Bartoo's matrix to hire our offensive coordinator?

Comforting.**

The only guy that remotely fits our personnel on that list is Kittley.

Play calling is important- but having players that fit is perhaps even more important. For example- Dan Mullen as a play caller with Dak had better numbers than Dan Mullen with Tyson Lee and Chris Relf.

That's going to be a HUGE issue for us next year unless Barbay can actually adjust his scheme to his talent. Which in my experience watching football pretty much never happens. And when someone actually does try to adjust their personnel to the scheme it never maximizes the production because those players are put in positions where they aren't maximized so it's essentially a waste of talent.

Again- MSU fans falling for the "we can outscheme them" trap while grossly undervaluing the importance of players and their actual skill sets.

Kittley ran the ball 40 times per game this year including 48 times against Ole Miss. He adapts well, just like Barbay.

[SPMT]

So we're going off of Dave Bartoo's matrix to hire our offensive coordinator?

Comforting.**

The only guy that remotely fits our personnel on that list is Kittley.

Play calling is important- but having players that fit is perhaps even more important. For example- Dan Mullen as a play caller with Dak had better numbers than Dan Mullen with Tyson Lee and Chris Relf.

That's going to be a HUGE issue for us next year unless Barbay can actually adjust his scheme to his talent. Which in my experience watching football pretty much never happens. And when someone actually does try to adjust their personnel to the scheme it never maximizes the production because those players are put in positions where they aren't maximized so it's essentially a waste of talent.

Again- MSU fans falling for the "we can outscheme them" trap while grossly undervaluing the importance of players and their actual skill sets.

Mullen, was very good at that. Relf offense was not like Russell offense.

[Really Clark?]

So we're going off of Dave Bartoo's matrix to hire our offensive coordinator?

Comforting.**

The only guy that remotely fits our personnel on that list is Kittley.

Play calling is important- but having players that fit is perhaps even more important. For example- Dan Mullen as a play caller with Dak had better numbers than Dan Mullen with Tyson Lee and Chris Relf.

That's going to be a HUGE issue for us next year unless Barbay can actually adjust his scheme to his talent. Which in my experience watching football pretty much never happens. And when someone actually does try to adjust their personnel to the scheme it never maximizes the production because those players are put in positions where they aren't maximized so it's essentially a waste of talent.

Again- MSU fans falling for the "we can outscheme them" trap while grossly undervaluing the importance of players and their actual skill sets.

Please show where in my post I said anything about just out scheming our opponents and undervaluing the importance of players.

You know as well as anyone the importance of analytics. Some look at it harder than others, sure. But it's foolish to completely disregard it. I know you wouldn't care if it was an air raid guy that Barton liked and we hired. Because Kittley is right on that list, that leaves him out in your opinion then, right?

Barbay can and has run offense not predicated on a running QB. We don't have that so that fits. He is creative in getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers. We have several of those, so that fits. Tulu, Marks, Price, etc. can absolutely eat with his offense. Another check. His OL scheme fits our players. That fits. So what if he is not air raid, we have players that absolutely work under his scheme. We need TE's and QB, for sure. Guess what, we would have needed that with Kittley as well. I know it's Air Raid or nothing with you for some reason but that's not the only offense can adapt for players and skill set.

[Todd4State]

Kittley ran the ball 40 times per game this year including 48 times against Ole Miss. He adapts well, just like Barbay.

The biggest thing with Kittley is he typically runs more tempo. That means more plays- which means more opportunities to run or pass.

[Todd4State]

Mullen, was very good at that. Relf offense was not like Russell offense.

And then there is Brandon Holloway.

[Coach34]

And then there is Brandon Holloway.

Which was a top 10 offense in school history

[Todd4State]

Please show where in my post I said anything about just out scheming our opponents and undervaluing the importance of players.

You know as well as anyone the importance of analytics. Some look at it harder than others, sure. But it's foolish to completely disregard it. I know you wouldn't care if it was an air raid guy that Barton liked and we hired. Because Kittley is right on that list, that leaves him out in your opinion then, right?

Barbay can and has run offense not predicated on a running QB. We don't have that so that fits. He is creative in getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers. We have several of those, so that fits. Tulu, Marks, Price, etc. can absolutely eat with his offense. Another check. His OL scheme fits our players. That fits. So what if he is not air raid, we have players that absolutely work under his scheme. We need TE's and QB, for sure. Guess what, we would have needed that with Kittley as well. I know it's Air Raid or nothing with you for some reason but that's not the only offense can adapt for players and skill set.

I was making more of an "in general" statement about the MSU fanbase than a personal statement directed at you. You just happened to have the misfortune of having the post I responded to.

Analytics is important- but much like baseball it also requires context. It's not simply as black and white as "hire this guy and it will work no matter who your players are". Which is on the surface what it appears Arnett has done. I mean I've seen football analytics that says you are better off passing on every down except for third and 1. Doesn't mean that we should do that.

The reality about scheme is all of these coordinators can draw up something that works. The players have to make it work. This dude uses a H-Back a lot- and multiple ones. We're just assuming Antonio Harmon is OK doing that. Our fans are just assuming Woody can make it through the season and he is injury prone. What WR is going to consistently catch those deep balls? We're not going to magically get more consistent there because it's man coverage and we're running the ball more or whatever false football bravado some of our fans come up with. We're going to be asking our offensive line to do stuff that they haven't done a lot of three year but hey it will work because they're offensive linemen and they like this! What kind of analytical logic is any of that? This is absolutely going to be a big transition for our players. I mean at one time we were talking ourselves into Joe Moorhead's scheme being seamlessly translated too.

The biggest reason I want to run the Air Raid is because that would be the easiest transition for our players who are mostly veteran players. I don't really care what the run pass ratio is within that Air Raid framework. And by the way I think Kittley would have been able to build on what we were doing in a big way because of our players familiarity with a lot of the scheme. Running the Air Raid gives us the best chance to have a highly successful year next year of 9-10 wins during the regular season. That's what this is about for me.

[Todd4State]

Which was a top 10 offense in school history

Yeah. Because of Dak.

[Really Clark?]

I was making more of an "in general" statement about the MSU fanbase than a personal statement directed at you. You just happened to have the misfortune of having the post I responded to.

Analytics is important- but much like baseball it also requires context. It's not simply as black and white as "hire this guy and it will work no matter who your players are". Which is on the surface what it appears Arnett has done. I mean I've seen football analytics that says you are better off passing on every down except for third and 1. Doesn't mean that we should do that.

The reality about scheme is all of these coordinators can draw up something that works. The players have to make it work. This dude uses a H-Back a lot- and multiple ones. We're just assuming Antonio Harmon is OK doing that. Our fans are just assuming Woody can make it through the season and he is injury prone. What WR is going to consistently catch those deep balls? We're not going to magically get more consistent there because it's man coverage and we're running the ball more or whatever false football bravado some of our fans come up with. We're going to be asking our offensive line to do stuff that they haven't done a lot of three year but hey it will work because they're offensive linemen and they like this! What kind of analytical logic is any of that? This is absolutely going to be a big transition for our players. I mean at one time we were talking ourselves into Joe Moorhead's scheme being seamlessly translated too.

The biggest reason I want to run the Air Raid is because that would be the easiest transition for our players who are mostly veteran players. I don't really care what the run pass ratio is within that Air Raid framework. And by the way I think Kittley would have been able to build on what we were doing in a big way because of our players familiarity with a lot of the scheme. Running the Air Raid gives us the best chance to have a highly successful year next year of 9-10 wins during the regular season. That's what this is about for me.

I just think the assumption that our players are too deficient mentally and / or physically to run this offense is a big stretch.

I had no problem with Kittley but he wasn't coming and never was. Bringing him up doesn't do anything for your argument. He is a non-entity in our OC search once he let us know he wasn't interested.

So the question is where do you go from there? You gauge the interest of who fits what you want and you can legitimately hire. When you strip away the ones who are not interested you get the best guy you can. Air Raid is irrelevant at that point. And honestly the candidates left who would consider being OC for us and run Air Raid, were not available. Hatcher wasn't coming, we didn't contact him and he didn't contact us because he is not giving up running a program. Harrell was already under contract elsewhere. Arbuckle, you cannot consider him at this point. He was an assistant in HS just 2 years ago, a quality analysis in 2021 and 1 year as OC following Kittley and with Helton making sure of the game plan. Way too risky. He may be great but you cannot take that risk. So who?

[Todd4State]

I just think the assumption that our players are too deficient mentally and / or physically to run this offense is a big stretch.

I had no problem with Kittley but he wasn't coming and never was. Bringing him up doesn't do anything for your argument. He is a non-entity in our OC search once he let us know he wasn't interested.

So the question is where do you go from there? You gauge the interest of who fits what you want and you can legitimately hire. When you strip away the ones who are not interested you get the best guy you can. Air Raid is irrelevant at that point. And honestly the candidates left who would consider being OC for us and run Air Raid, were not available. Hatcher wasn't coming, we didn't contact him and he didn't contact us because he is not giving up running a program. Harrell was already under contract elsewhere. Arbuckle, you cannot consider him at this point. He was an assistant in HS just 2 years ago, a quality analysis in 2021 and 1 year as OC following Kittley and with Helton making sure of the game plan. Way too risky. He may be great but you cannot take that risk. So who?

Honestly I would have gone Arbuckle. No it's not without risk but I believe if a guy is talented his age doesn't matter. Gus Mahlzahn was hired by Arkansas as OC straight out of high school. Wazzu certainly isn't worried about his age. I value scheme fit and coaching talent over experience. I just think Arbuckle is a very talented coach.

[SpaceBully]

Here?s his numbers the last two years.

App St 2022

Passing offense #48
Passing efficiency #19
Rushing offense #21
Yards per completion #24
Total offense #26
Scoring offense #23
43% pass vs 57% run

CMU 2021
Passing offense #29
Rushing offense #51
Total offense #24
Scoring offense #35
46% pass vs 54% run

Looks like we're back to running the ball. OL....get ready to learn smashmouth blocking again!

[Really Clark?]

Honestly I would have gone Arbuckle. No it's not without risk but I believe if a guy is talented his age doesn't matter. Gus Mahlzahn was hired by Arkansas as OC straight out of high school. Wazzu certainly isn't worried about his age. I value scheme fit and coaching talent over experience. I just think Arbuckle is a very talented coach.

Well it's debatable if he was available and may have signed a MOU with Wazzou prior, so that might have been problematic or a complete stopper anyway. But let's say he was, I agree age doesn't have to matter. But there's no way hiring a guy who has 1 year of on the field experience to come into a league where the vast majority of the best defensive minds in football line across the field nearly every Sat makes sense. Wazzou plays in a conference that's hasn't played for a title in over a decade, we play in a division with 3 different winners in 12 years. It's such different leagues that 1 year experience spells disaster and you want to pair a first time head coach with someone with virtually no college coaching experience, that's just a bad hire and decision. You are doing this to stay married to a scheme, that really seems foolish. I hope he does well and will probably put up good numbers in the PAC-12, I think it's a noticeable gap between experience and coaching ability of him and Kittley at WKU, that Kittley is another level ahead of him.

Malzhan did. I'll give you that but he had been running his own programs for 8 years in HS, recruiting to it at Shiloh, and invented an offensive philosophy while in HS that was really unique and groundbreaking. He had even written a book on it a few years before ARK and a whole coaching video series. That's a huge difference where he was vs Arbuckle. Worlds apart between those two. Not to mention Ark wanted his players, especially Mustain and Williams and hired Gus to get them. Frank Broyles wanted his innovation and insisted Nutt hire him. Then ran him off after a year or he tan himself off, depends on who you ask.

[Bdawg]

Which was a top 10 offense in school history

This may be true. But Holloway up the middle, only to get blown up, was pretty atrocious. ?Holloway up the middle? wouldn?t be a thing if wasn?t atrocious. I?m sure Dan didn?t want to be predictable, but it was done waaay too much.

[MrCoachKlein]

And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

He's more proven than any air raid guy left that we could've pulled.

[Ari Gold]

Hopefully everyone here is smart enough to understand that the offense in year 1 will look much different than the offense will in year 2 . Unless something dramatic happens between now and say fall practice
I don’t care who we hired as OC , this statement would have been true for them as well

So saying that , from what I have been told and yeah I have contacts this was a good hire. He was in the top 3 choices for the OC opening at South Carolina
We could have done much much worse

[CoachT14]

If we are bringing in a scheme where our success is predicated on having OL better than the SEC DL we will face then we are screwed.

You mean the OL that was in the top 3rd of the SEC in every OL metric? The same OL that returns all but 1 guy?

[CoachT14]

He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

No he doesn't, he was more 11 or 12 personnel at App State. At CMU, he was that, plus a mix of 10 personnel.

[CoachT14]

The more and more comes out, the more it looks like you are right.

Please list the modern AR candidates that had more than 2 years of top scoring 35 offenses that we should have offered and could've gotten?

[Prediction? Pain.]

Found this interesting tidbit last night. Maybe our fourth-down tries this year were just a taste of things to come:

https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1613588041100136469?s=20&t=W0HADI_pU1_yFQQRfTGN0A

Our go rate this year was 29%.

[Dawgface]

Found this interesting tidbit last night. Maybe our fourth-down tries this year were just a taste of things to come:

https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1613588041100136469?s=20&t=W0HADI_pU1_yFQQRfTGN0A

Our go rate this year was 29%.

I'm guessing Arnett being a defensive guy would be more conservative if anything. But who knows.......

[Saltydog]

Translated:

Arnett has been interviewing people and nobody really impressed him. Barbay interviewed and Arnett knew he had found his guy.

That a way to tote that company water.

[DownwardDawg]

Some of y'all are losing your minds over the OC hire. And it's obvious y'all would have acted like this regardless of who we hired. That offense we watched the past few years is gone. It was gone the minute Coach Mike Leach passed away. We would not have been able to hire anyone and make them run that offense. Thank God CZA wanted to tweak it or move away from it and run something modern like Tennessee and schools like that run. Y'all have cried enough. Man up and accept that we have changed and let's see what happens.
Leach was going to win 7 or 8 at the most next year. We can still do that but it's gonna take a lot of hard work.

[StoneDawg]

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1613557738092519426?s=46&t=VaxIekwk-HQZZ4OfK9PZ6w

Looks like this is over!

Fire Barbay!!!!

[Cooterpoot]

Most people thought Briles was a great option, and Barbary runs a fairly similar offense. He's going to use multiple personnel types. What he did at App St was due to the players he had. Same at his previous stop. Will be same here. He's flexible. And that's something we haven't been since Mullen was here.

[basedog]

Most people thought Briles was a great option, and Barbary runs a fairly similar offense. He's going to use multiple personnel types. What he did at App St was due to the players he had. Same at his previous stop. Will be same here. He's flexible. And that's something we haven't been since Mullen was here.

I'm all in for being flexible, no reason why we can't adjust.

[KOdawg1]

I think some people became air raid fans more than they were MSU fans. They liked the status that came from being an "air raid" offense like it somehow made us good. Truthfully, we were pretty mediocre. CML is a legend and his legacy will live forever, but his offense here got romanticized into something it's not. I believe that's why some people are losing their shit over this hire.

[DownwardDawg]

I think some people became air raid fans more than they were MSU fans. They liked the status that came from being an "air raid" offense like it somehow made us good. Truthfully, we were pretty mediocre. CML is a legend and his legacy will live forever, but his offense here got romanticized into something it's not. I believe that's why some people are losing their shit over this hire.
You nailed it. This is an extremely accurate post.

[parabrave]

I think some people became air raid fans more than they were MSU fans. They liked the status that came from being an "air raid" offense like it somehow made us good. Truthfully, we were pretty mediocre. CML is a legend and his legacy will live forever, but his offense here got romanticized into something it's not. I believe that's why some people are losing their shit over this hire.

Yep/

[Dawsonmsu]

App. State has finished the last 3 seasons in the top 30 in total offense. Nothing new for them. Their program has been built on toughness and high character. He benefited from this.

[CoachT14]

App. State has finished the last 3 seasons in the top 30 in total offense. Nothing new for them. Their program has been built on toughness and high character. He benefited from this.

You might have a point if it was his only year as an OC. But his offense was good last year at CMU as well.

[KOdawg1]

App. State has finished the last 3 seasons in the top 30 in total offense. Nothing new for them. Their program has been built on toughness and high character. He benefited from this.

Okay? He didn't screw it up. Idk why being a highly ranked offense is being discredited because "they've always done that." He still had to go out there and do it

[662dawg]

Okay? He didn't screw it up. Idk why being a highly ranked offense is being discredited because "they've always done that." He still had to go out there and do it

Simple minded people. I believe they actually averaged a little more ppg than the previous couple years as well.

[Dawsonmsu]

By the way, the last 2 offensive coordinators at App.State have been 1 and done after they left.

[KOdawg1]

Simple minded people. I believe they actually averaged a little more ppg than the previous couple years as well.

I'm pretty negative as far as message board posters go, but I'm not seeing these issues some others are seeing.

After Briles, Barbay seems to be as good a hire as we could realistically make.

Selmon is a good hire as well.

Stupidity seems to be spreading across this fanbase.

[KOdawg1]

By the way, the last 2 offensive coordinators at App.State have been 1 and done after they left.
Well shit, that means Baybar is gonna be the same. Dammit guys, we screwed this up. **

Please for your sake, just stop.

[MrCoachKlein]

I'm guessing Arnett being a defensive guy would be more conservative if anything. But who knows.......

I think it just depends on the coach. He may view it as his D is so good it can bail out a missed 4th down. Arnette is an aggressive guy. I don't think he wants a minimal risk ball control offense like Dennis Allen

[MrCoachKlein]

That a way to tote that company water.

Better than totting small pox blankets

[Commercecomet24]

I'm pretty negative as far as message board posters go, but I'm not seeing these issues some others are seeing.

After Briles, Barbay seems to be as good a hire as we could realistically make.

Selmon is a good hire as well.

Stupidity seems to be spreading across this fanbase.

Quality post! Agreed!

[Dawsonmsu]

Zone run plays that stretch the boundary, boot legs with the tight end dragging, a few RPO pass plays - Ms State 2023 offense. Will be a complete disaster. Similar to the Moorhead days.

[MrCoachKlein]

App. State has finished the last 3 seasons in the top 30 in total offense. Nothing new for them. Their program has been built on toughness and high character. He benefited from this.

This is the only legitimate argument I've seen.

[KOdawg1]

This is the only legitimate argument I've seen.
Except it's not legitimate.

[MrCoachKlein]

Zone run plays that stretch the boundary, boot legs with the tight end dragging, a few RPO pass plays - Ms State 2023 offense. Will be a complete disaster. Similar to the Moorhead days.

Lmao some people would complain if their only task at work was to drive there an pickup a check. There's nothing remotely similar to Morehead about this except the both coach a sport with a brown ball.

[MrCoachKlein]

Except it's not legitimate.

Better than the other excuses people have been trying to push lol. What he said isn't false, all other critisms I've seen are.

[Really Clark?]

By the way, the last 2 offensive coordinators at App.State have been 1 and done after they left.

That's not true. Ponce was the OC in 2021 (he was a prior Co-OC from 2013-2018 at App St) and went to Miami to be PGC/QB coach for 2022 and is still there.

[ZedFedder]

Dawsonmsu has 71 posts. He’s a troll. Ignore and proceed.

[Cooterpoot]

Dumbest collection of assholes in the SEC come hear for conversation

[MrCoachKlein]

Dumbest collection of assholes in the SEC come hear for conversation

Don't forget about genes page and SPS

[Dawsonmsu]

You guys should take a few hours and watch some film on App. State this year. It’s a pro style offense with a little cross action with the tight ends. Not a troll at all. I could name you 50 all time great Ms State players from the past.

[CoachT14]

By the way, the last 2 offensive coordinators at App.State have been 1 and done after they left.

That pertains to Barbey how?

[SpaceBully]

I think it is safe to say that we are not going with the hybrid Air Raid.

I think that's safe to say.

[MrCoachKlein]

You guys should take a few hours and watch some film on App. State this year. It?s a pro style offense with a little cross action with the tight ends. Not a troll at all. I could name you 50 all time great Ms State players from the past.

There's a guy on YouTube that cut out there offensive snaps vs UNC, troy and tx am. Pistol RPO offense with zone runs and a lot of play action. You lost me with the Morehead comparison. Nothing about the coaches or the situation is similar

[TNDawg35]

Dumbest collection of assholes in the SEC come hear for conversation

The rest are at Bulldog Burger Co, where the cool kids go to meet, MEAT.

[DownwardDawg]

Holy shit. No way some of these posters are this 17'n stupid!!!

[confucius say]

You mean the OL that was in the top 3rd of the SEC in every OL metric? The same OL that returns all but 1 guy?

Yep. They couldn't zone block against a 6 man box. Our OL as currently constructed isn't going to dominate SEC DL in the run game. Barbay loves the zone scheme

[Commercecomet24]

Dumbest collection of assholes in the SEC come hear for conversation

That and a few trolls. There's been posters on here over the last week spewing stuff who haven't been on here in months or years in some cases. Interesting.

[Commercecomet24]

Holy shit. No way some of these posters are this 17'n stupid!!!

Aw but they are, DD!

[confucius say]

What is fun is that posters who usually are prone to defend our coaches (me, honestly) are suspicious and those who are always running off our coaches are heaping praise. Got to love it!

[MrCoachKlein]

Yep. They couldn't zone block against a 6 man box. Our OL as currently constructed isn't going to dominate SEC DL in the run game. Barbay loves the zone scheme

You mean the guys mostly from MS that grew up on teams that ran the ball 80% of the time? Yeah they'll have a real hard time going back to run blocking with normal splits instead of being on an island pass blocking against Anderson with 5 yard splits.

[Commercecomet24]

What is fun is that posters who usually are prone to defend our coaches (me, honestly) are suspicious and those who are always running off our coaches are heaping praise. Got to love it!

The board has definitely been entertaining as of late!

[MrCoachKlein]

What is fun is that posters who usually are prone to defend our coaches (me, honestly) are suspicious and those who are always running off our coaches are heaping praise. Got to love it!

Not seeing that. Mostly air raid people (wrongfully or ignorantly) screaming it doesn't fit our personnel when it does. Or the usual trolls/negative people who'd find a reason to bitch if we hired bill walsh as oc

[Dawgface]

Not seeing that. Mostly air raid people (wrongfully or ignorantly) screaming it doesn't fit our personnel when it does. Or the usual trolls/negative people who'd find a reason to bitch if we hired bill walsh as oc

That would be the most MSU thing ever as Bill Walsh is dead! More bitching......

[Commercecomet24]

That would be the most MSU thing ever as Bill Walsh is dead! More bitching......

And ran the west coast offense, lol!

[Coach34]

Yep. They couldn't zone block against a 6 man box. Our OL as currently constructed isn't going to dominate SEC DL in the run game. Barbay loves the zone scheme

They will zone block better with tighter splits. The wide splits make zone blocking extremely tough because of the bad angles. Shorter splits with us running wide zone action will be much more effective

[RocketDawg]

Some on here were (jokingly, I think) wanting TCU's OC Garrett Riley at State. He's going to Clemson.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/clemson-to-hire-tcus-garrett-riley-as-offensive-coordinator-after-firing-brandon-streeter-per-reports/

[Leroy Jenkins]

They will zone block better with tighter splits. The wide splits make zone blocking extremely tough because of the bad angles. Shorter splits with us running wide zone action will be much more effective

And short yardage. I hate snapping the ball 4 yards back into shotgun when you need 6 inches. At least this guy will get under center. He will also do some wildcat on short yardage, which I dont hate as much as a QB shotgun snap.

[MrCoachKlein]

That would be the most MSU thing ever as Bill Walsh is dead! More bitching......

We wouldn't have been able to get him otherwise*

[MrCoachKlein]

And short yardage. I hate snapping the ball 4 yards back into shotgun when you need 6 inches. At least this guy will get under center. He will also do some wildcat on short yardage, which I dont hate as much as a QB shotgun snap.

Gotta practice it though. They did it once (UNC I think) and fumbled. Seems simple, but if you aren't used to snaps under center it can backfire easily.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Gotta practice it though. They did it once (UNC I think) and fumbled. Seems simple, but if you aren't used to snaps under center it can backfire easily.

Yeah, I don't care if we only have one undercenter play in the playbook, as long as it's the Brady QB sneak. Surely we can pull that off.

[MrCoachKlein]

Yeah, I don't care if we only have one undercenter play in the playbook, as long as it's the Brady QB sneak. Surely we can pull that off.

Man I hope so. Its almost a cheat code in less than a yard situations

[maroonmania]

Hopefully everyone here is smart enough to understand that the offense in year 1 will look much different than the offense will in year 2 . Unless something dramatic happens between now and say fall practice
I don?t care who we hired as OC , this statement would have been true for them as well

So saying that , from what I have been told and yeah I have contacts this was a good hire. He was in the top 3 choices for the OC opening at South Carolina
We could have done much much worse

I hope that's the case. On the surface it looks like a significant drop down from almost hiring KB to getting Barbay. I guess Arnett saw something special in this guy. I, like others, are concerned that we are going to waste another year that could be really special next year (like we did in 2018) because our offense is in transition. I found it interesting that Arnett went on lockdown to hire Barbay. If we were going to go G5 I don't really thing ZA even had to worry about leaks.

[Turfdawg67]

Dawsonmsu has 71 posts. He?s a troll. Ignore and proceed.

Well, you have to start somewhere. There's a few posters that have 35 - 65K posts and they are just as negative about MSU. I'm just weirded out by how many on here are all on board with these hires. 1st time coach, 1st time AD and super green OC... but "Let's roll!!" (Psst... cause we'll be running the ball again!! Yay! - Been so successful the last 100 years.)

But hey, I fight for all of our coaches and ADs, and call y'all out for dumbass "Holloway up the middle!" and "Check down Charlie." comments, and I'll support Arnett and Selmon too. Just the way I am.

[MoreCowbell]

I like the hire. Put something at least average on the offensive side and we will be good. Our defense will be stout

[PGHBulldogBG]

I really like the Selmon hire but not this one. I don’t see this hire being a good fit. He might have put up decent numbers in the Sun Belt but this is the SEC and App State always out recruits the Sun Belt except for when Napier was at ULL with Huds players. I really was hoping to get someone from a lower tier power 5 school that had a solid offense. That being said our defense should be top notch, but it can only carry us so far. Hope I am wrong about Barbay

[yjnkdawg]

Not seeing that. Mostly air raid people (wrongfully or ignorantly) screaming it doesn't fit our personnel when it does. Or the usual trolls/negative people who'd find a reason to bitch if we hired bill walsh as oc

Some on here would bitch if we lost one regular season game and then we lost by 2 points in the SEC Championship to No. 1 ranked Georgia. There would be a bunch of what if's too.

[yjnkdawg]

When Barbay adjusts and adapts his offense to fit our player personnel, some posters on message boards are gonna look kinda stupid and only the sky will be falling on them.

[Walkerhill]

Well, you have to start somewhere. There's a few posters that have 35 - 65K posts and they are just as negative about MSU. I'm just weirded out by how many on here are all on board with these hires. 1st time coach, 1st time AD and super green OC... but "Let's roll!!" (Psst... cause we'll be running the ball again!! Yay! - Been so successful the last 100 years.)

But hey, I fight for all of our coaches and ADs, and call y'all out for dumbass "Holloway up the middle!" and "Check down Charlie." comments, and I'll support Arnett and Selmon too. Just the way I am.

Does having a first time AD matter on the football field game to game? Not sure how

First time coaches can be hit or miss. I get that. But this is a coach that has been on campus and the team and administration have gotten to know well. No guarantee but we didn?t jump in blind.

OC is ?super green?? I guess ? he has been successful installing his offense and getting results at 2 different D1 stops. Seems to be adaptive and has competed with or beaten some teams with superior talent. Of course power 6 experience would be a plus, but not sure about ?super green?.

We?ll see but no reason to panic or fret just because these are new or green coaches.

[Turfdawg67]

Del

[msu15]

When Barbay adjusts and adapts his offense to fit our player personnel, some posters on message boards are gonna look kinda stupid and only the sky will be falling on them.

Yep. All it takes is just to watch a few minutes of film from the North Carolina and A&M games this year to see that he's a versatile OC, but whatever, let them complain. I'm ready for the season start.

[Commercecomet24]

Yep. All it takes is just to watch a few minutes of film from the North Carolina and A&M games this year to see that he's a versatile OC, but whatever, let them complain. I'm ready for the season start.

Yes this! I watched the unc game last night and the offense was extremely diverse and efficient. 61 points geez.

[TheLostDawg]

Yes this! I watched the unc game last night and the offense was extremely diverse and efficient. 61 points geez.

How did you watch it

[Commercecomet24]

How did you watch it

Whole game is on YouTube no commercials!

[99jc]

this hire makes me feel like i kissed my sister

[Todd4State]

When Barbay adjusts and adapts his offense to fit our player personnel, some posters on message boards are gonna look kinda stupid and only the sky will be falling on them.

As a MSU fan it's wait and see for me because I heard the same thing when we hired Moorhead.

[Really Clark?]

this hire makes me feel like i kissed my sister

Well it's not Bobo, so it should be more like a kissing cousin at worse for you. You know we can't let that thread you started go for a bit. Lol

[Really Clark?]

As a MSU fan it's wait and see for me because I heard the same thing when we hired Moorhead.

Moorehead definitely caused that anxiety to stay for a while

[99jc]

Well it's not Bobo, so it should be more like a kissing cousin at worse for you. You know we can't let that thread you started go for a bit. Lol

i hope it is like kissing my step sister

[Really Clark?]

i hope it is like kissing my step sister

Lol. Maybe it's the hot step sister too

[662dawg]

When Barbay adjusts and adapts his offense to fit our player personnel, some posters on message boards are gonna look kinda stupid and only the sky will be falling on them.

And that's exactly what he's going to do. He's Arnette with an offensive mind instead of defense.

[KB21]

Still can?t believe that Arnett is stupid enough to go from the Air Raid to neanderball.

[Todd4State]

Moorehead definitely caused that anxiety to stay for a while

Yeah. Me thinking that he could turn Fitz into a RPO master at QB was dumb in hindsight.

[MrCoachKlein]

this hire makes me feel like i kissed my sister

Pics of sister? *

[Tbonewannabe]

I really like the Selmon hire but not this one. I don’t see this hire being a good fit. He might have put up decent numbers in the Sun Belt but this is the SEC and App State always out recruits the Sun Belt except for when Napier was at ULL with Huds players. I really was hoping to get someone from a lower tier power 5 school that had a solid offense. That being said our defense should be top notch, but it can only carry us so far. Hope I am wrong about Barbay

Defense has been carrying the team since 2017. People are acting like our offense was as good as the Washington St or Texas Tech offenses. It was at best middle of the road. There were plenty of games that we didn't do shit on offense against bad defenses just because they ran a 3 - 8 defense.