New OC name of interest- Slade Nagle

[Big4Dawg]

Per Steve, he's a new name of interest.

https://tulanegreenwave.com/staff-directory/slade-nagle/200

Called plays during Tulane's bowl game vs USC (and the second half of the season) and just got promoted. Tulane's current OC, Jim Svoboda, is headed to Iowa.

[Homedawg]

I'm pretty sure he called plays the entire year. But I have no idea if he's on the list or not. I do know, nobody has been offered the job... at present.

[Big4Dawg]

He was TE coach all season, and just got promoted this week. would be odd if that was indeed true

[Big4Dawg]

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[Homedawg]

Yes he got officially promoted last week he called plays all year.

[DownwardDawg]

Interesting. I know that offense sure was fun to watch.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Not exactly "Air Raid" tree. Tulane is top 20 in rushing yardage.

https://media.tenor.com/3VO--5cjZZoAAAAd/seinfeld-not-that-theres-anything-wrong-with-that.gif

[Homedawg]

I don't know who I the hell we hire. But we will be active in the te portal. And that doesn't tell me or anyone else what type of offense we are going to run.

[sack07]

If you subscribe to The Athletic, they had a really good article on Nagle. Essentially, Fritz credited a lot of Tulane?s turnaround to handing the playcalling duties to Nagle.

[Really Clark?]

Interesting. Had a fantastic year for sure. Short on experience as OC

[Bothrops]

I don't know who I the hell we hire. But we will be active in the te portal. And that doesn't tell me or anyone else what type of offense we are going to run.

Not enough time to learn a new offense which is exactly what's probably going to happen. Our oline will probably be falling over each other the first 4 weeks of the season. I have no expectations for next season at the moment.

[Homedawg]

Not enough time to learn a new offense which is exactly what's probably going to happen. Our oline will probably be falling over each other the first 4 weeks of the season. I have no expectations for next season at the moment.

Don't get over dramatic. Even if we stay air raid, nobody I mean nobody runs what leach ran. Terminology changes. Plays change. No matter who we hire, the offenses is changing. In a big way.

[Coach34]

Not enough time to learn a new offense which is exactly what's probably going to happen. Our oline will probably be falling over each other the first 4 weeks of the season. I have no expectations for next season at the moment.

You can learn 90% of a new offense in Spring Practice. You then have 5 weeks of Fall practice before you play your first game. We have a veteran offense and will adapt just fine

[Op4isabitch]

Is he Schloss Nagle’s son?***

[Leroy Jenkins]

Is he Schloss Nagle’s son?***

I remember ol' Schloss... Big guy, kinda fat, hell of a fisherman.

[Cooterpoot]

Tulane played the 65th SOS and that's with USC included. They played a terrible schedule.

[msu15]

Not enough time to learn a new offense which is exactly what's probably going to happen. Our oline will probably be falling over each other the first 4 weeks of the season. I have no expectations for next season at the moment.

Hahahahahahaha

[Prediction? Pain.]

Not exactly "Air Raid" tree. Tulane is top 20 in rushing yardage.

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Yeah, dude, it'd be a massive shift philosophically. Tulane ran 60% of the time this season. They were a damn solid offense, though. Top 20 nationally in points per drive and % of available yards gained, which was among the best in their conference. It'd be an interesting transition given our personnel. If Arnett's looking at AAC coordinators, I wonder if he'd look at Woods at SMU (who I think MS7 might've mentioned in one of the massive OC threads at one point) and Dawson at Houston. Both of those offenses were right there with Tulane statistically but more pass-heavy (though still far more balanced that we were under Leach). Woods is about as green as the Tulane dude as an OC, but he's been a part of lots of success at Auburn and Ark St. And of course Dawson's been around for a while with varying degrees of, uh, failure?

[Homedawg]

Tulane played the 65th SOS and that's with USC included. They played a terrible schedule.

I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember

[Dawgface]

Don't get over dramatic. Even if we stay air raid, nobody I mean nobody runs what leach ran. Terminology changes. Plays change. No matter who we hire, the offenses is changing. In a big way.

That's disappointing as far as I'm concerned. Tweaking was what I was hoping for but hey....I'm just one in the minority I guess.

[Cooterpoot]

I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember

That's kinda my point. He's not it. Or, as I said before, we're going to have co-oc. My concern is losing players if this doesn't go right. We sure seem bent on a more run heavy offense and that's going to cost us big time if true.

[Quaoarsking]

By play count (not yardage), Tulane was 60-40 run this year. I don't think we should try that here, basically ever, but especially not with our current personnel.

[KOdawg1]

Nahhhh I'm good

[Homedawg]

That's disappointing as far as I'm concerned. Tweaking was what I was hoping for but hey....I'm just one in the minority I guess.

What I mean is, no matter what we change to it's changing in a big way. Nobody besides CML ran what we did. Nobody. Nothing close.

[msstate7]

By play count (not yardage), Tulane was 60-40 run this year. I don't think we should try that here, basically ever, but especially not with our current personnel.

2 teams that we compare to favorably in the sec talent-wise, OM and ark both run the ball at 60%. Both finished in top
5 of sec in total offense, both finished top 6 in conf only games, and both finished top 15 nationally. Here's our ranks...

Sec all games - 8th
Conf only - 11th
Nationally - 62nd

[Quaoarsking]

2 teams that we compare to favorably in the sec talent-wise, OM and ark both run the ball at 60%. Both finished in top
5 of sec in total offense, both finished top 6 in conf only games, and both finished top 15 nationally. Here's our ranks...

Sec all games - 8th
Conf only - 11th
Nationally - 62nd

And they both finished unranked, unlike us.

[msstate7]

And they both finished unranked, unlike us.
Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124

Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games

[Really Clark?]

And they both finished unranked, unlike us.

Was that because of their offense or defense though? And I'm more in line with being closer to 50/50 with what we have coming back and an OC that's adaptable to his personnel. But their records are more indicative of poor defenses than offenses. Ark was 13th in the league and OM 9th

[DownwardDawg]

I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember

Hahaha!!!

[CadaverDawg]

Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124

Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games

Exactly.

Too many are getting hung up on keeping a pass happy offense the longer this OC hire takes. People forget that the offense didn't win us many, if any, games this year. They were the reason we didn't win more. I'm personally not too worried yet, and won't be until I see the hire...because there is little room to go but up on that side of the ball. Arnett is probably thinking, "even if we aren't good on offense, if we can at least be a little more balanced maybe my defense won't be exhausted while trying to win us the game". Hard to blame him after watching how putrid the offense has been the last few years.
I'm still quietly hoping we may get Johns from Duke, though at this point I doubt it or he would have already been hired.

[Homedawg]

Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124

Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games

Great post

[DownwardDawg]

Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124

Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games

Nailed it.

[Cowbell]

Tulane played the 65th SOS and that's with USC included. They played a terrible schedule.

And they would have beaten us had we played. With much less talent. And less fan and NIL SUPPORT.

[Jarius]

And they both finished unranked, unlike us.

Because they had 2 of the worst defenses in the conference. Anyone that watched our offense this year and wanted to keep doing that stupid shit is a glutton for punishment. Arnett’s defense saved our team’s ass all year. Our offense against anyone with a pulse was horrible.

[Cowbell]

And they both finished unranked, unlike us.

If this is your argument, tell me where Tulane finished in the final poll......

[Cowbell]

I don't know who I the hell we hire. But we will be active in the te portal. And that doesn't tell me or anyone else what type of offense we are going to run.

With $$$??? Because I will donate more for this

[Quaoarsking]

I don't think "I don't think we should shift to a 60% run offense" is an equivalent argument to "I want to keep this exact offense we had in 2022 with Rogers," even as some of you are trying to spin it that way.

[Anonymous]

Tulane played the 65th SOS and that's with USC included. They played a terrible schedule.

Similar to Washington, UCLA, and UCF. We all still acknowledge that those offenses are good.

Significantly better SOS than Duke, and people obviously aren?t holding that against Johns.

[parabrave]

I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember

Steve throwing Darts again.

[Maroonthirteen]

At this point, MSU football will take anyone they can get....run or pass philosophy.

We are talking about a guy that has been a career position coach at a G5 and lesser.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

You would think a chance to coach in the SEC, being in total control of the offense, and making a good chunk of money would be enticing. But, moving from air raid and having one QB on roster with a first year HC may be scaring folks away

[Maroonthirteen]

Blind resume review*. Who would you hire?

Candidate A
COACHING EXPERIENCE
2002-03, Northwestern State (GA)
2004-05, Dodge City CC (Kansas) (QB)
2006-09, Northwestern State (QB/WR)
2009, LSU (ST) 2010, Texas State (OC/QB)
2011, Central Arkansas (RB/Asst.)
2012-15, McNeese State (RB/ST)
2016-Present, Tulane (TE)

Candidate B
Coaching Experience:
1998…………..Georgia (Admin. Asst.)
1999…….…….Georgia (Grad. Asst.)
2000……….….Jacksonville State (QB’s)
2001-06………Georgia (QB’s)
2007-14………Georgia (Off. Coord./QB’s)
2015-19……….Colorado State (Head Coach)
2020…………..South Carolina (Off. Coord./QB’s)
2021……….….Auburn (Off. Coord.)
2022-present….Georgia (Analyst-Offense)

Hahahaha.

[Pancho]

better stay away from anyone associated with that UGA offense, right?

[CoachT14]

Similar to Washington, UCLA, and UCF. We all still acknowledge that those offenses are good.

Significantly better SOS than Duke, and people obviously aren?t holding that against Johns.

Because Johns has a track record of very successful offenses. You know who doesn't, Slade Nagle. He has at most 1 year and maybe 10 games of play calling experience. And it's also disputed who was actually calling plays this year in multiple articles.

[Cooterpoot]

Blind resume review*. Who would you hire?

Candidate A
COACHING EXPERIENCE
2002-03, Northwestern State (GA)
2004-05, Dodge City CC (Kansas) (QB)
2006-09, Northwestern State (QB/WR)
2009, LSU (ST) 2010, Texas State (OC/QB)
2011, Central Arkansas (RB/Asst.)
2012-15, McNeese State (RB/ST)
2016-Present, Tulane (TE)

Candidate B
Coaching Experience:
1998????..Georgia (Admin. Asst.)
1999??.??.Georgia (Grad. Asst.)
2000???.?.Jacksonville State (QB?s)
2001-06???Georgia (QB?s)
2007-14???Georgia (Off. Coord./QB?s)
2015-19???.Colorado State (Head Coach)
2020????..South Carolina (Off. Coord./QB?s)
2021???.?.Auburn (Off. Coord.)
2022-present?.Georgia (Analyst-Offense)

Hahahaha.

You do realize Bobo was never even a consideration right? And Nagle won't be alone as OC IMO.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Blind resume review*. Who would you hire?

Candidate A
COACHING EXPERIENCE
2002-03, Northwestern State (GA)
2004-05, Dodge City CC (Kansas) (QB)
2006-09, Northwestern State (QB/WR)
2009, LSU (ST) 2010, Texas State (OC/QB)
2011, Central Arkansas (RB/Asst.)
2012-15, McNeese State (RB/ST)
2016-Present, Tulane (TE)

Candidate B
Coaching Experience:
1998…………..Georgia (Admin. Asst.)
1999…….…….Georgia (Grad. Asst.)
2000……….….Jacksonville State (QB’s)
2001-06………Georgia (QB’s)
2007-14………Georgia (Off. Coord./QB’s)
2015-19……….Colorado State (Head Coach)
2020…………..South Carolina (Off. Coord./QB’s)
2021……….….Auburn (Off. Coord.)
2022-present….Georgia (Analyst-Offense)

Hahahaha.

This is not a laughing matter, sir. *

[Maroonthirteen]

You do realize Bobo was never even a consideration right? And Nagle won't be alone as OC IMO.

Honestly. No I don't know the details. I assume with Bobo there was no interest one way or the other. Howeve I am enjoying poking fun that MSU internet fans went insane mad over one guy and seem to be ok with another.

[Todd4State]

2 teams that we compare to favorably in the sec talent-wise, OM and ark both run the ball at 60%. Both finished in top
5 of sec in total offense, both finished top 6 in conf only games, and both finished top 15 nationally. Here's our ranks...

Sec all games - 8th
Conf only - 11th
Nationally - 62nd

Analytically speaking you're better passing the ball in almost every situation other than 3rd and 1. So we actually probably maximized the talent that we have.

[Cooterpoot]

I'm not opposed to Nagle if we pair him with a good passing game guy and are balanced. I'm not down with pounding the rock heavily. If we go that route, Arnett was a terrible hire. He'd piss away a good team next season.

[KB21]

I'm not opposed to Nagle if we pair him with a good passing game guy and are balanced. I'm not down with pounding the rock heavily. If we go that route, Arnett was a terrible hire. He'd piss away a good team next season.

If he does go run heavy, then dust off your short list of head coaches for 2024. If he does this, then Arnett is going to be your typical meathead defensive head coach who believes you have to control the clock and win TOP to be successful.

Ryan Walters was a defensive coordinator. What did he do? Hired an Air Raid offensive coordinator. Last year, Joey McGuire was a defensive coordinator. He hired an Air Raid offensive coordinator. Jake Dickert was a defensive coordinator. He hired an Air Raid offensive coordinator and then replaced him with another Air Raid offensive coordinator when Eric Morris took the North Texas head coaching job.

[msstate7]

If he does go run heavy, then dust off your short list of head coaches for 2024. If he does this, then Arnett is going to be your typical meathead defensive head coach who believes you have to control the clock and win TOP to be successful.

Ryan Walters was a defensive coordinator. What did he do? Hired an Air Raid offensive coordinator. Last year, Joey McGuire was a defensive coordinator. He hired an Air Raid offensive coordinator. Jake Dickert was a defensive coordinator. He hired an Air Raid offensive coordinator and then replaced him with another Air Raid offensive coordinator when Eric Morris took the North Texas head coaching job.

Some other DC first year head coaches...

Elko went run heavy at Duke (55%), and they finished 44th nationally in total offense.

Venables went run heavy at Oklahoma (59%), and they finished 13th nationally in total offense. Defense was their issue - 122nd nationally.

Lannings went run heavy at Oregon (54%), and they finished 6th nationally in total offense.

BTW, we were 62nd in total offense this season.

[BlackSailsDawg]

My only point in all of this is that if he changes styles, he has placed himself and MSU in a bad position.

- We are not tooled for what it appears he wants.
- puts the OC in a bad position in getting the needed pieces because he's late in the process.
- that means our spring isn't going to be great as far as implementing the new system.

- After spring the likelihood of players transferring out will increase based on the above.

Throwing it all out in a time like this is a bad decision in my opinion and could cost him his job and MSU years.

[msstate7]

I want us to do what is best for us going forward, and by forward I don't mean just next season. If ZA feels we need a more run-oriented attack, so do it now. We hired him, so let em do it his way. If isn't doesn't work out, find another guy, but don't hire a guy if you don't trust his vision

[BlackSailsDawg]

Some other DC first year coaches...

Elko went run heavy at Duke (55%), and they finished 44th nationally in total offense.

Venables went run heavy at Oklahoma (59%), and they finished 13th nationally in total offense. Defense was their issue - 122nd nationally.

Leanings went run heavy at Oregon (54%), and they finished 6th nationally in total offense.

BTW, we were 62nd in total offense this season.

Well.

OU won only 6 games.

But, you can be a run first Air raid. TCU does that.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I want us to do what is best for us going forward, and by forward I don't mean just next season. If ZA feels we need a more run-oriented attack, so do it now. We hired him, so let em do it his way. If isn't doesn't work out, find another guy, but don't hire a guy if you don't trust his vision

Is it best for MSU to move towards an offense Bama/LSU sees most weeks? That's an easy prep for for them. Is that the best thing for us? We are literally throwing away a system that won 9 with this schedule tooled for an Air Raid waiting to me modified.

If he fails next year, we will be in no man's land for a while.

[msstate7]

Well.

OU won only 6 games.

But, you can be a run first Air raid. TCU does that.

All I know is our style offense has been really bad 2 of the 3 years it's been here. Last year was pretty good, but we didn't sustain it with multiple starters returning. I don't see what a change would hurt

[msstate7]

Is it best for MSU to move towards an offense Bama/LSU sees most weeks? That's an easy prep for for them. Is that the best thing for us? We are literally throwing away a system that won 9 with this schedule tooled for an Air Raid waiting to me modified.

If he fails next year, we will be in no man's land for a while.

We scored 22 points with 582 total yards Vs lsu and bama this season. That's 11 ppg and 291 yds/game.

Are they having trouble preparing for us now?

[BlackSailsDawg]

All I know is our style offense has been really bad 2 of the 3 years it's been here. Last year was pretty good, but we didn't sustain it with multiple starters returning. I don't see what a change would hurt

A change to an offense that we are not tooled for moves us backwards. All he had to do was hire a guy that uses a modified AR and roll. It would mean our QB room would have 1 more QB in, we would run it more and use different sets.

Now, the OL may not be whats needed. The QB may not be a fit. The WRs may see that they will have to give up snaps and transfer out. Then how long to gain what needed to run it effectively? A system that won 9 with most tools returning with an easier schedule. It's just not a smart thing to throw it all away.

Not saying he is going to do that. In fact, I will have to see it to believe it.

[HancockCountyDog]

Based on what I am hearing, we have paid decent money to bring back a solid defense. We just need our offense to be slightly above average and I think 10 wins is on the table.

We cannot abandon our current offense, the QB room simply won't allow it. If long term Arnett wants a ground and pound offense, that is fine, he can recruit to that. He can't waste next year's team while installing his offense. I've read this story in 2018, i'm not reading it again.

[Coach34]

Based on what I am hearing, we have paid decent money to bring back a solid defense. We just need our offense to be slightly above average and I think 10 wins is on the table.

We cannot abandon our current offense, the QB room simply won't allow it. If long term Arnett wants a ground and pound offense, that is fine, he can recruit to that. He can't waste next year's team while installing his offense. I've read this story in 2018, i'm not reading it again.

The offense is going to change. That 100% is going to happen. But the overeaction needs to stop. The change is to become more balanced- not "run heavy"

Last season we ran 929 plays:

634 passes
295 runs (26 of which were QB sacks so they were really passes also)

Those days are over. But an offense of 480 runs and 450 passes would be very welcome and much likely more effective than the Airbone.

[basedog]

The offense is going to change. That 100% is going to happen. But the overeaction needs to stop. The change is to become more balanced- not "run heavy"

Last season we ran 929 plays:

634 passes
295 runs (26 of which were QB sacks so they were really passes also)

Those days are over. But an offense of 480 runs and 450 passes would be very welcome and much likely more effective than the Airbone.

I agree. Good coaches adjust.

[Commercecomet24]

The offense is going to change. That 100% is going to happen. But the overeaction needs to stop. The change is to become more balanced- not "run heavy"

Last season we ran 929 plays:

634 passes
295 runs (26 of which were QB sacks so they were really passes also)

Those days are over. But an offense of 480 runs and 450 passes would be very welcome and much likely more effective than the Airbone.

Yeah I don't understand why people keep thinking we're all of a sudden gonna go to the I-formation or some other run heavy offense. We're obviously gonna have to evolve because Leach is the only one who ran his version of the air raid. Balance is a good thing and we did show the ability to run the ball this year without involving the qb in the run game.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He is coming as TE coach

[RiverCityDawg]

He is coming as TE coach

So Chip Long as OC?

[gtowndawg]

He is coming as TE coach

That makes much more sense. He's been a TE coach for 6 years. I just couldn't see the jump to OC overnight.

[Really Clark?]

As just a TE would be a pretty good pull for ZA as someone just named OC at a G5 school.

[Commercecomet24]

As just a TE would be a pretty good pull for ZA as someone just named OC at a G5 school.

Agreed. Would be an excellent pull for Arnett and guy is a good coach too.

[Desoto1967]

Not the luster of a Kendal Briles.

Whoever it is better beat Arkansas

[Duckdog]

So Chip Long as OC?

that would be fiya

[Cooterpoot]

Some other DC first year head coaches...

Elko went run heavy at Duke (55%), and they finished 44th nationally in total offense.

Venables went run heavy at Oklahoma (59%), and they finished 13th nationally in total offense. Defense was their issue - 122nd nationally.

Lannings went run heavy at Oregon (54%), and they finished 6th nationally in total offense.

BTW, we were 62nd in total offense this season.

That's balance to me. Run heavy is 60/40 in my world. I'm fine with running it more. My eyes hurt watching the Leach Raid.

[msstate7]

That's balance to me. Run heavy is 60/40 in my world. I'm fine with running it more. My eyes hurt watching the Leach Raid.

I agree.

[KB21]

Balance is not 50/50 run/pass. Balance is making sure all your skill positions are contributing to the offense with the yards and touches between the skill guys being balanced. Running the ball 60% of the time is stupid when passing the ball is far more efficient.

[Dawgface]

Those days are over. But an offense of 480 runs and 450 passes would be very welcome and much likely more effective than the Airbone.

Welcomed by you but not by all. But frig it?..I?ll find something else to do next Fall.

[Commercecomet24]

In todays game to be successful you have to have a very good passing game. That being said more balance and having a more creative run game than we've had will benefit us greatly. You can have a great passing attack without throwing 60 times a game.

[Really Clark?]

You can be balanced inside of 60/40 either way run or pass. Outside of that and you are skewed too far either way. Offense balance is about the defense being off balanced with what you do well. That being said I think most of the time it's about 55/45 run/pass for most of the better offenses in college with some explosive passing either down field or player explosion

[msu15]

The offense is going to change. That 100% is going to happen. But the overeaction needs to stop. The change is to become more balanced- not "run heavy"

Last season we ran 929 plays:

634 passes
295 runs (26 of which were QB sacks so they were really passes also)

Those days are over. But an offense of 480 runs and 450 passes would be very welcome and much likely more effective than the Airbone.

That's definitely too much running in today's football. Give me about 520 passing and 410 running.

[Jarius]

Be on the lookout for Toledo’s head coach or the Memphis OC.

[Really Clark?]

Be on the lookout for Toledo’s head coach or the Memphis OC.

I mentioned Candle last week. Would be an outstanding pull but just have doubts since turned down Miami last year.

[Leroy Jenkins]

I was hoping for Jason Candle, but how much would you have to pay him over his current 1.2mm to give up his own program? I wouldn't do it for less than double, maybe triple.

[Jarius]

I was hoping for Jason Candle, but how much would you have to pay him over his current 1.2mm to give up his own program? I wouldn't do it for less than double, maybe triple.

He interviewed with Miami last year. He feels stuck at that program and may want a reboot.

[Commercecomet24]

Candle would be very good hire.

[Leroy Jenkins]

He interviewed with Miami last year. He feels stuck at that program and may want a reboot.

Well boot it up then. He got my vote.

[Coach34]

He is coming as TE coach

What idiot would abandon an OC job at Tulane to coach TE’s at State? I have a hard time believing that

[BlackSailsDawg]

Maybe in a CO-Oc/TE role

[BuckyIsAB****]

What idiot would abandon an OC job at Tulane to coach TE’s at State? I have a hard time believing that

Who would want to come coach TEs at a place with no TEs

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

We are trying to bring in TEs as we speak

[DesotoDog1967]

So it's a Group of Five guy on the rise?

[Pancho]

Looks to be shaping up quite well. only a few more days.

[Spiderman]

By play count (not yardage), Tulane was 60-40 run this year. I don't think we should try that here, basically ever, but especially not with our current personnel.

agree