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CaptainObvious
01-09-2023, 10:46 PM
We absolutely have to level the playing field to make the game more competitive!

Quaoarsking
01-09-2023, 10:50 PM
There's a reason the NFL gets higher ratings, even when it seems to obvious to most of us that college football is more compelling.

msstate7
01-09-2023, 10:59 PM
Wanna change it? Don't watch it.

Commercecomet24
01-09-2023, 11:00 PM
Professional sports figured this out a long time ago. It's why attendance has declined every year for the last 10 years in cfb. Costs rising to attend games and only about 5-6 teams have a shot at winning it all. Rest of us just playing for bowl order.

TUSK
01-09-2023, 11:05 PM
We absolutely have to level the playing field to make the game more competitive!

Dude, you just got it,,,, The 2nd best team just won the thing, man...

parabrave
01-09-2023, 11:06 PM
Dude, you just got it,,,, The 2nd best team just won the thing, man...

Are you saying that Ohio State should've won last week????

CaptainObvious
01-09-2023, 11:18 PM
Dude, you just got it,,,, The 2nd best team just won the thing, man...

Dude. If only that tornado had hit Bryant Denny and wiped it out and not hurt a single soul!

Maybe next Tornado will do the trick!

TUSK
01-09-2023, 11:22 PM
Dude. If only that tornado had hit Bryant Denny and wiped it out and not hurt a single soul!

Maybe next Tornado will do the trick!

This, people, is how you do it!!!


CO, I love it! Well executed!

KOdawg1
01-09-2023, 11:35 PM
Lower scholarships from 85 to 70.

This is an easy fix that'll make a huge difference

HoopsDawg
01-09-2023, 11:37 PM
Lower scholarships from 85 to 70.

This is an easy fix that'll make a huge difference

Makes too much sense

Todd4State
01-09-2023, 11:39 PM
Is the issue the SEC just that much better than the rest of college football?

College football here is just another level than the other conferences.

msstate7
01-09-2023, 11:42 PM
Makes too much sense

The critics will argue that's 2000 (131 x 15) kids that don't get a scholarship that would have. Not saying I agree, but that's what that they will say.

I still think you let less transfer. If you sign a kid, it's a 4-year commitment. If he leaves, you lose that scholarship.

smootness
01-09-2023, 11:42 PM
Lower scholarships from 85 to 70.

This is an easy fix that'll make a huge difference

Will never happen. They’re not about to cut 2,000+ scholarships.

BeardoMSU
01-09-2023, 11:43 PM
We absolutely have to level the playing field to make the game more competitive!

So you're saying we should dig up Che's hacked up body from Bolivia and appoint him head of the NCAA?****

TUSK
01-09-2023, 11:50 PM
So you're saying we should dig up Che's hacked up body from Bolivia and appoint him head of the NCAA?****

I hate you so much************


that was well executed, commie rad:;

Quaoarsking
01-09-2023, 11:53 PM
Pass a rule that says every NIL dollar has to be routed through the school's official NIL fund and enforce it harshly, both by the NCAA and the IRS.

Install an MLB-style "luxury tax" that transfers some NIL funds from the higher $ schools in a conference to the lower $ in a conference. Not in-between conferences transfers, just moving money around within the conferences, to make each conference more competitive.

Allow transfers without sitting out a year only when transferring from a school to a lower NIL cap. Talent should trickle down, not up. If you transfer to a school with a higher NIL cap, you have to sit out a year.

Those 3 things would help a lot and make the product on the field more interesting without totally overthrowing the social order.

CaptainObvious
01-09-2023, 11:57 PM
So you're saying we should dig up Che's hacked up body from Bolivia and appoint him head of the NCAA?****
No. I am saying we need to put a mule face New York Congresswoman in charge of NCAA. Football.

PikeDawg15
01-10-2023, 12:03 AM
We had 2 very very very good playoff games and then everyone freaks out when Georgia blows out tcu

We were guranteed a blowout playoff game we always get one. I?ve seen many blowouts in the nfl this year but yeah not a 65-7 national title game

The moment was too big for tcu

Now on to the question

I think some of the issue with college football is the fact that outside of the South . Not many people even pay attention to college football or college sports at all compared to professional.

Huge states like California and New York that are loaded with talented football players out of high school give 0 shits about investing in a football program and being die hard for it

College football has always been like this always will be . Sometimes games like this will happen

Lots of southern elite boosters will dump all their money into their alum?s football program just to have something to brag about over their neighbor. That?s just how it is and always will be.

It?s all about matchups and tcu matched up horrifically with Georgia

Tcu would?ve beaten Ohio state but Ohio state could match up with Georgia better than tcu could.

I bet Texas and A&M have been pissed off that a little school like tcu can spend a quarter of what they spend on football and they can spent millions of more dollars and buy recruits and A&M can?t even make a damn bowl game

I think college football will get very interesting here very very soon and especially in the sec

Kirby and Georgia have begun a dynasty

Saban and bama aren?t going anywhere

LSU and Brian Kelly be competiting with them as well

Jimbo and A$M are going to throw enough money at it and eventually it may work with or without jimbo

Tennessee and heupel are building something

And then the one I am absolutely terrified of

Hugh freeze and Auburn. They will be a force to recogn with very soon.

BuckyIsAB****
01-10-2023, 12:05 AM
There's a reason the NFL gets higher ratings, even when it seems to obvious to most of us that college football is more compelling.

Because all the major markets watch it.

HoopsDawg
01-10-2023, 12:06 AM
Will never happen. They’re not about to cut 2,000+ scholarships.

They cut from 105 to 85. So it's been done before.

Maverick91
01-10-2023, 12:06 AM
The critics will argue that's 2000 (131 x 15) kids that don't get a scholarship that would have. Not saying I agree, but that's what that they will say.

I still think you let less transfer. If you sign a kid, it's a 4-year commitment. If he leaves, you lose that scholarship.

No what this would do is raise all boats. Those kids will find out that D1, D2, NAIA, D3 are all really good competition and the ones that will be bumped down to those levels will still get scholarships.

Percho
01-10-2023, 12:10 AM
Lower scholarships from 85 to 70.

This is an easy fix that'll make a huge difference

I believe 65 would be a better number

LC Dawg
01-10-2023, 12:15 AM
I believe 65 would be a better number

We could just skip the farce that these kids are signing up to play SEC football because they want an education and eliminate scholarships and set roster limits.
It'll happen eventually.

Quaoarsking
01-10-2023, 12:22 AM
Also ban walk-ons from getting NIL. Currently schools are stockpiling more than 85 scholarship-quality players.

If they want NIL, they can go to a school that has a scholarship offer for them.

PendingTransaction
01-10-2023, 12:44 AM
The genie is out of the bottle. Most of these ideas to create parity would die a quick judicial death. I'm sure that Georgia and Bama would sponsor the lawsuits for some deprived, low 4-star.

Quaoarsking
01-10-2023, 12:50 AM
The genie is out of the bottle. Most of these ideas to create parity would die a quick judicial death. I'm sure that Georgia and Bama would sponsor the lawsuits for some deprived, low 4-star.

We'll need a college football players union to agree to the terms and it should all be fine.

Coursesuper
01-10-2023, 07:46 AM
Pass a rule that says every NIL dollar has to be routed through the school's official NIL fund and enforce it harshly, both by the NCAA and the IRS.

Install an MLB-style "luxury tax" that transfers some NIL funds from the higher $ schools in a conference to the lower $ in a conference. Not in-between conferences transfers, just moving money around within the conferences, to make each conference more competitive.

Allow transfers without sitting out a year only when transferring from a school to a lower NIL cap. Talent should trickle down, not up. If you transfer to a school with a higher NIL cap, you have to sit out a year.

Those 3 things would help a lot and make the product on the field more interesting without totally overthrowing the social order.

This is the ticket.

the_real_MSU_is_us
01-10-2023, 08:21 AM
With NIL, I'm not sure scholarships matter.

You can give every player past the scholarship limit a 35k a year NIL deal and that's effectively a scholarship.

What we need is hard roster limits of say 70

PendingTransaction
01-10-2023, 09:13 AM
With NIL, I'm not sure scholarships matter.

You can give every player past the scholarship limit a 35k a year NIL deal and that's effectively a scholarship.

What we need is hard roster limits of say 70

Limit the scholarships, the price of 4 & 5 stars will triple and you can predict which 8 teams would get them. There's no easy fix with the portal and NIL.

Really Clark?
01-10-2023, 09:22 AM
When you pull a player from the portal, you have reimburse the previous school the total amount of NIL the previous school has given that player. If you pull inside your conference an additional penalty and/or limits of some sort.

Lord McBuckethead
01-10-2023, 09:31 AM
Lower scholarships from 85 to 70.

This is an easy fix that'll make a huge difference

Scholarships matter little when boosters can pay a player anything they want. Hell, teams like Bama and Texas could have zero scholarships and still field a better team than half of hte SEC.

Lord McBuckethead
01-10-2023, 09:32 AM
When you pull a player from the portal, you have reimburse the previous school the total amount of NIL the previous school has given that player. If you pull inside your conference an additional penalty and/or limits of some sort.

That would help.

PendingTransaction
01-10-2023, 09:41 AM
When you pull a player from the portal, you have reimburse the previous school the total amount of NIL the previous school has given that player. If you pull inside your conference an additional penalty and/or limits of some sort.

Schools can't give NIL deals to players. We're in this mess bc schools avoided the player-compensation issue like the plague. Now it's a free market function.

Really Clark?
01-10-2023, 09:44 AM
Schools can't give NIL deals to players. We're in this mess bc schools avoided the player-compensation issue like the plague. Now it's a free market function.

I said school for simplicity, but you are right reimburse the cooperative is more accurate.

There are a few schools who link straight to a NIL fund for each player when you visit their athletics page. It's already dancing on the edge.

MBDawg601
01-10-2023, 09:45 AM
This NCG had nothing to do with NIL. Georgia/bama/Ohio state and Clemson have dominated since the playoff began. Sprinkle in LSU here or there. Nothing different this year. Unfortunately college has generally been this way.. you had different eras of Miami, USC and Florida. I'll believe NIL has a negative impact when Texas and A&M rise from the ashes. They will spend more than most.

To be honest, when TCU lost to K State they shouldn't have been in the conversation. This just reinforces that. I doubt they make this mistake again.. what a terrible finale.

Johnson85
01-10-2023, 09:59 AM
The genie is out of the bottle. Most of these ideas to create parity would die a quick judicial death. I'm sure that Georgia and Bama would sponsor the lawsuits for some deprived, low 4-star.

Not really. While it's pretty clear where Kavanaugh will vote, the actual majority opinion was much narrower than people are claiming.

But if they wanted to further strengthen their legal position, the P5 conferences could just break away from the SEC to set rules. At that point, you have competition for college athletes and any plaintiff would have to argue that the market is for major college athletics. Still a potentially winnable case for college athletes but harder.

Johnson85
01-10-2023, 10:00 AM
They cut from 105 to 85. So it's been done before.

Different political environment then. Not saying it can't happen, and I think the availability of NIL makes it a much easier sell, but still not the same.

confucius say
01-10-2023, 11:53 AM
The critics will argue that's 2000 (131 x 15) kids that don't get a scholarship that would have. Not saying I agree, but that's what that they will say.

I still think you let less transfer. If you sign a kid, it's a 4-year commitment. If he leaves, you lose that scholarship.

Just reallocate those 15 to other sports.

PGHBulldogBG
01-10-2023, 05:33 PM
This game just shows how far ahead UGA was from other teams. When they were 100 percent dialed in this year against Oregon, Tennessee and TCU it clearly shows how much better they are. There were a lot of games though including OSU game they just didn’t show up. Missouri and UK were some other ones and they still won by going through the motions. That UGA team was so good they would have even beat Bama by 3 or 4 TDS because they would have been dialed in for that one. When they beat Oregon 49-3 I figured they would win the whole thing unless they slipped up because they got bored.

BoomBoom
01-10-2023, 10:18 PM
Not really. While it's pretty clear where Kavanaugh will vote, the actual majority opinion was much narrower than people are claiming.

But if they wanted to further strengthen their legal position, the P5 conferences could just break away from the SEC to set rules. At that point, you have competition for college athletes and any plaintiff would have to argue that the market is for major college athletics. Still a potentially winnable case for college athletes but harder.

Just pass something out of Congress. I doubt any SC would declare a constitutional right to play CFB for whichever team you want.

Or just sever CFB from "student-athletes". Let the schools offer scollys to players, but not require players be student athletes. Boom, no more legal problem, NCAA go do what you want.

cheewgumm
01-10-2023, 10:55 PM
I propose STAR CAP

Take an average of star ratings.

Limit the star ratings that a team can have - five 5 stars
- ten 4 stars
- twenty 3 stars

Something like the above.

Etc.

You do not have to worry about people paying more than a salary cap, etc?pay whatever you want?you are still limited to a certain number of stars.

This would fix it but ?they? do not want it fixed. They want eyeballs on TV. The end.

This would lead to more $ in time though.

Maverick91
01-11-2023, 11:42 AM
I propose STAR CAP

Take an average of star ratings.

Limit the star ratings that a team can have - five 5 stars
- ten 4 stars
- twenty 3 stars

Something like the above.

Etc.

You do not have to worry about people paying more than a salary cap, etc?pay whatever you want?you are still limited to a certain number of stars.

This would fix it but ?they? do not want it fixed. They want eyeballs on TV. The end.

This would lead to more $ in time though.


FYI I have proposed this numerous of times and is shot down worst than warm piss. I agree with you fwiw!

Extendedcab
01-11-2023, 12:17 PM
Playing devils advocate here:

What is to keep schools from altering or pressuring the people/groups who rate high school athletes, from "de-rating" the normally 5-star athletes to 3 stars? I think this will open up another level of influence peddling and cheating.

I am with you though, that something needs to be done!

TUSK
01-11-2023, 01:54 PM
Playing devils advocate here:

What is to keep schools from altering or pressuring the people/groups who rate high school athletes, from "de-rating" the normally 5-star athletes to 3 stars? I think this will open up another level of influence peddling and cheating.

I am with you though, that something needs to be done!

Yep... The REC will just have the "Bammer Bump" removed from all the 5 star commits, have em pushed down to 4 stars, then sign more 5 stars, and so on down the line....

cheewgumm
01-11-2023, 06:48 PM
That is fine...

Bama ( or whever) can convice 5 or so rating agencies to lower their rankings so they can sign another 4 star guy. Great. That is a lot harder than stopping Bama ( or whever) from paying more than the salary cap.

This is the BEST answer.

TALL DAWG
01-12-2023, 09:13 PM
Q:
Since NIL is here would it really even matter if they cut scholarships from 85 to 70. Teams can sign as many as they want to NIL deals, correct.

Really Clark?
01-12-2023, 09:23 PM
Q:
Since NIL is here would it really even matter if they cut scholarships from 85 to 70. Teams can sign as many as they want to NIL deals, correct.

If it's a player with scholarship offers at the same level, they have to count against the number.

Cowbell
01-12-2023, 09:35 PM
Q:
Since NIL is here would it really even matter if they cut scholarships from 85 to 70. Teams can sign as many as they want to NIL deals, correct.

Correct. These guys making scholly reduction suggestions ain't seeing the big picture. Bama will have 100 players if they want them now. Tusk weed money gonna put some kids through college.