Let this be a lesson to you all

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Stop being so gullible!

1) An SEC OC is successful at a school that can match our offers. 1st clue we weren't getting Briles.

2) His agent is notorious for playing schools for pay raises, literally just did it to Auburn with Kiffin. Clue 2.

3) Our insiders were told yesterday we got him, but the signing kept dragging and dragging, almost like Briles was trying to see what Arky would counter with. Clue 3.

Insiders get their info from people close to the situation. people close to the situation care a LOT and are eager to believe anything that's good for State. We, as a viewing audience, need to be more critical. This would have been an unusual move, the agent does this all the time, and unexplained hold ups kept this from moving quick. The ONLY thing implying this would happen was that he was giving us the time of day, which of course he would, he has too to get an offer he can take to Arky to match.

[PikeDawg15]

I blame this on allyn mckeen being fired

[MetEdDawg]

Arnett tried to get who he thought was best. We apparently ponied up the money to play ball but he ultimately stayed.

Isn't that exactly what we've asked our program to do? Briles would have been a solid hire and if Arkansas really didn't want him, he wouldn't have gotten an extension.

Arnett swung for the fences and missed. So what. He went after a bigger name and tired to make a splash, which this would have.

Too many people on this board and in our fan base want us to play it safe, then wonder why we never win a ton of games. Don't take risks but go win a bunch of games! Good for Arnett doing something atypical MSU by trying to get a bigger name.
On to the next one.

[Westdawg]

What I?ve seen from those who would be most in the know have really slow-played this. It hasn?t gotten any traction at all with in-state media, regional (SEC footprint) media, and really not even a blurb about it at all nationally. I think there are some VERY strong players at this table, and MSU isn?t allowing any really mucking of the water (so to speak) with this search and brokering any contracts.

[PikeDawg15]

Should?ve went 2.5 million

[Commercecomet24]

Arnett tried to get who he thought was best. We apparently ponied up the money to play ball but he ultimately stayed.

Isn't that exactly what we've asked our program to do? Briles would have been a solid hire and if Arkansas really didn't want him, he wouldn't have gotten an extension.

Arnett swung for the fences and missed. So what. He went after a bigger name and tired to make a splash, which this would have.

On to the next one.

This and he has the financial backing from our boosters to make it happen. Zach wants to win and he has the support to do it. Like you said keep swinging, you don't quit just because you miss. Heck I've been in sales and marketing most of my adult life. If I quit trying every time someone told me no I'd be broke.

[Bdawg]

Guess he didn?t really want to leave. That?s what I was banking on. He had to want to leave for us to get him. Apparently he didn?t. And who really gives crap if we get our hopes up a little that he may come. It?s not like most on here don?t know everything you just laid out. Why didn?t you come on here and say it before he turned us down?

On to the next big fish(I hope).

[RisperDawg]

First of all, speak for yourself. I approached this with the same healthy skepticism that i take with me in my everyday life.

It didn't work out. NBD. As i said in the other thread, we cost a division rival more money and sowed internal discord. This was a no lose situation for us... Unless we shelled out for him and he flopped. As my daddy used to say, asking doesn't cost you anything.

Some of y'all act like CZA didn't even entertain the thought that bringing KB here was not the most probable outcome. Indirectly letting some of these other candidates know they're plan B/C/D might not be the worst thing in the world.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Arnett tried to get who he thought was best. We apparently ponied up the money to play ball but he ultimately stayed.

Isn't that exactly what we've asked our program to do? Briles would have been a solid hire and if Arkansas really didn't want him, he wouldn't have gotten an extension.

Arnett swung for the fences and missed. So what. He went after a bigger name and tired to make a splash, which this would have.

Too many people on this board and in our fan base want us to play it safe, then wonder why we never win a ton of games. Don't take risks but go win a bunch of games! Good for Arnett doing something atypical MSU by trying to get a bigger name.
On to the next one.

Nobody is saying CZA shouldn't have tried, I"m saying we as fans shouldn't have gotten our hopes up, much less believed it was a "done deal"

[Todd4State]

Should?ve went 2.5 million

You can't do that when the head coach makes 3 million.

[chef dixon]

And we will spank that ass again next year

[Bdawg]

You can't do that when the head coach makes 3 million.

Says who? Arnett may be the only one. But if he approves, who cares. But I do think 2.5 would be too much.

[PMDawg]

Stop being so gullible!

1) An SEC OC is successful at a school that can match our offers. 1st clue we weren't getting Briles.

2) His agent is notorious for playing schools for pay raises, literally just did it to Auburn with Kiffin. Clue 2.

3) Our insiders were told yesterday we got him, but the signing kept dragging and dragging, almost like Briles was trying to see what Arky would counter with. Clue 3.

Insiders get their info from people close to the situation. people close to the situation care a LOT and are eager to believe anything that's good for State. We, as a viewing audience, need to be more critical. This would have been an unusual move, the agent does this all the time, and unexplained hold ups kept this from moving quick. The ONLY thing implying this would happen was that he was giving us the time of day, which of course he would, he has too to get an offer he can take to Arky to match.

Lol. Guess right on a 50/50, then stand on a pedestal and scream "I TOLD YOU SOOOOO!" You people crack me up.

[Westdawg]

First of all, speak for yourself. I approached this with the same healthy skepticism that i take with me in my everyday life.

It didn't work out. NBD. As i said in the other thread, we cost a division rival more money and sowed internal discord. This was a no lose situation for us... Unless we shelled out for him and he flopped. As my daddy used to say, asking doesn't cost you anything.

Some of y'all act like CZA didn't even entertain the thought that bringing KB here was not the most probable outcome. Indirectly letting some of these other candidates know they're plan B/C/D might not be the worst thing in the world.

In the words of Mel Brooks ?HRRUMMPPHHH!!!?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Arnett tried to get who he thought was best. We apparently ponied up the money to play ball but he ultimately stayed.

Isn't that exactly what we've asked our program to do? Briles would have been a solid hire and if Arkansas really didn't want him, he wouldn't have gotten an extension.

Arnett swung for the fences and missed. So what. He went after a bigger name and tired to make a splash, which this would have.

Too many people on this board and in our fan base want us to play it safe, then wonder why we never win a ton of games. Don't take risks but go win a bunch of games! Good for Arnett doing something atypical MSU by trying to get a bigger name.
On to the next one.

Tell me. Who is Arnett's agent?

Arnett got played.

[Saltydog]

Stop being so gullible!

1) An SEC OC is successful at a school that can match our offers. 1st clue we weren't getting Briles.

2) His agent is notorious for playing schools for pay raises, literally just did it to Auburn with Kiffin. Clue 2.

3) Our insiders were told yesterday we got him, but the signing kept dragging and dragging, almost like Briles was trying to see what Arky would counter with. Clue 3.

Insiders get their info from people close to the situation. people close to the situation care a LOT and are eager to believe anything that's good for State. We, as a viewing audience, need to be more critical. This would have been an unusual move, the agent does this all the time, and unexplained hold ups kept this from moving quick. The ONLY thing implying this would happen was that he was giving us the time of day, which of course he would, he has too to get an offer he can take to Arky to match.

I was skeptical this wasn't going to happen from the get go. NO WAY in hell we were going to pull a successful, sitting coordinator from a fellow SECW institution. Wasn't going to happen. If CZA put all his eggs in one basket then this is a lesson learned for him. Better have a back up plan real quick.

[MetEdDawg]

Nobody is saying CZA shouldn't have tried, I"m saying we as fans shouldn't have gotten our hopes up, much less believed it was a "done deal"

Anyone that got their hopes up needs to take a step back to reality and calm down. Our fan base makes things tens times worse than they have to be because we don't have an OC named 3 days after our bowl game.

The next week is going to be miserable from some folks on here that can't stop obsessing over this and providing doom and gloom updates every hour.

[EdwardDrayton]

The real lesson:

DON'T LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE STATE FANS!!!

[Tough Dawg]

The hell you can?t.

[MetEdDawg]

Tell me. Who is Arnett's agent?

Arnett got played.

He would have been the most high profile coordinator on campus in the last two decades. And our university threw a heavy hand on the table.

So what if we got played. We showed we are going to go after someone big. If it gets them a raise and they stay so what? You hire zero people you don't offer.

Can't get better as a university if you sit here scared to get played. But again. People want to say we should win a crap ton of games every year but are scares to play in the big boy waters where it gets nasty.

[Commercecomet24]

Anyone that got their hopes up needs to take a step back to reality and calm down. Our fan base makes things tens times worse than they have to be because we don't have an OC named 3 days after our bowl game.

The next week is going to be miserable from some folks on here that can't stop obsessing over this and providing doom and gloom updates every hour.

Truth. I love State and I love State to win at everything but at the end of the day who we hire does not pay my bills or affect my daily life at all. I enjoy all
things State and this board but gotta have some perspective and not lose your mind.

[MrCoachKlein]

I'm more of a pessimistic person than I should be, but I had fun having some hope. Made the board a lot of fun for a few days. That's the reason I follow football. Fun

[schddog72]

Arnett tried to get who he thought was best. We apparently ponied up the money to play ball but he ultimately stayed.

Isn't that exactly what we've asked our program to do? Briles would have been a solid hire and if Arkansas really didn't want him, he wouldn't have gotten an extension.

Arnett swung for the fences and missed. So what. He went after a bigger name and tired to make a splash, which this would have.

Too many people on this board and in our fan base want us to play it safe, then wonder why we never win a ton of games. Don't take risks but go win a bunch of games! Good for Arnett doing something atypical MSU by trying to get a bigger name.
On to the next one.

THIS!!! If you don't ask, you don't get!! I don't blame ZA for thinking big and going after it. I'm sure he's got a Plan B; let's get behind the coach!!

[yjnkdawg]

Should?ve went 2.5 million

Money wasn't a factor. If we went $2.5 and if he accepted it then we would have the highest paid assistant coach in college football. I didn't see any ** on your post so I'm assuming you are serious this time.

[msudawglb]

Good lord, I wish half of y?all would just shut the hell up. I get so tired of posters coming on here to say ?I told you so?. You are still a small fish in the middle of nowhere Mississippi.

I hope we try again and swing for the fence.

[State82]

If I quit trying every time someone told me no I'd be broke.
For sure. The answer is always "no" unless you raise the question or present the opportunity.

[Commercecomet24]

For sure. The answer is always "no" unless you raise the question or present the opportunity.

Yep.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I said I would be shocked from the jump. There was no way. Didnt make sense

[EdwardDrayton]

Good lord, I wish half of y?all would just shut the hell up. I get so tired of posters coming on here to say ?I told you so?. You are still a small fish in the middle of nowhere Mississippi.

I hope we try again and swing for the fence.

We have to. This hire is critical to our success going forward.

[DownwardDawg]

I never expected it to happen, but I'm a 55 year old State fan. It would have been nice, but we'll get the right fit. CZA seems like he's gonna be an extremely hard worker.

[Bothrops]

Stop being so gullible!

1) An SEC OC is successful at a school that can match our offers. 1st clue we weren't getting Briles.

2) His agent is notorious for playing schools for pay raises, literally just did it to Auburn with Kiffin. Clue 2.

3) Our insiders were told yesterday we got him, but the signing kept dragging and dragging, almost like Briles was trying to see what Arky would counter with. Clue 3.

Insiders get their info from people close to the situation. people close to the situation care a LOT and are eager to believe anything that's good for State. We, as a viewing audience, need to be more critical. This would have been an unusual move, the agent does this all the time, and unexplained hold ups kept this from moving quick. The ONLY thing implying this would happen was that he was giving us the time of day, which of course he would, he has too to get an offer he can take to Arky to match.

The difference is, if we had an OC being shopped, any program in the West that wanted him would get him, no problem.

[Saltydog]

In other words, "you were wrong"........You'll feel better when you can admit it.........

[EdwardDrayton]

Arkansas can't be too thrilled they got played for more money either. Loved when Keenum sword-played Cohen's attempt to hold us up.

[Westdawg]

Arkansas can't be too thrilled they got played for more money either. Loved when Keenum sword-played Cohen's attempt to hold us up.

This reason is actually why I?m not worried. From everything I can tell, MSU wasn?t played in this at all?.Arky, possibly, but this was a big nothing burger in terms of media. It didn?t affect MSU negatively at all.

[EdwardDrayton]

This reason is actually why I?m not worried. From everything I can tell, MSU wasn?t played in this at all?.Arky, possibly, but this was a big nothing burger in terms of media. It didn?t affect MSU negatively at all.

Hmmm ...... not sure about that but it's done now. No choice but to move on.

[Goldendawg]

Dumb question: We had the Father ( older brother, Mumme), of a very unusual offense. We thought we had to get out of the box on his hire to have a chance to compete with big boys, as decades of 3 yards and a cloud of dust led to one SEC championship and one West title. All of our present offensive players were recruited to play in this offense as was incoming players on that side of the ball. Now, question. Are we limited in our available OC candidates to play a form of the Air Raid with needed adjustments, as most other candidates risk a total 3 year rebuild that no one wants or will have the patience to wait on? Lot easier to fall from 9 wins in 22 than stay there in 23. Hail State!

[Anonymous]

You can't do that when the head coach makes 3 million.

This is its own problem, and why we need an AD. If you believe in Arnett you show him that and give him a contract on par with his peers. Underpaying just because you can is a Mickey Mouse move and screams of inexperience.

[Really Clark?]

This is its own problem, and why we need an AD. If you believe in Arnett you show him that and give him a contract on par with his peers. Underpaying just because you can is a Mickey Mouse move and screams of inexperience.

Pitman's first contract was $3 Mil. No HC experience.

Heupal's first contract was $4MIL coming in as a HC at UCF.

Beamer is making $2.75 MIL as a first time HC.

Think we are exactly in line with the SEC coaches coming from similar background at ZA

[yjnkdawg]

Hmmm ...... not sure about that but it's done now. No choice but to move on.

I'm not sure about the media not being a negative thing either. It did make the media that we were trying to get KB. "Kendal Briles Turns Down Mississippi State And Stays At Arkansas" just posted by USA Today and probably ESPN. SI and some other media will jump on that wagon. We know CL will put their two cents in.

[basedog]

Only if we had a Target store***

Sometimes money isn't always the final decision for a family to move. Fayetteville (NW Arkansas) is a pretty nice place to be.

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm not sure about the media not being a negative thing either. It did make the media that we were trying to get KB. "Kendal Briles Turns Down Mississippi State And Stays At Arkansas" just posted by USA Today and probably ESPN. SI and some other media will jump on that wagon. We know CL will put their two cents in.

The positive is that it puts every OC in the country on notice that MSU was willing to go big - it very easily could shake out a candidate that we weren't expecting. It's not like it was some unknown or re-tread who said no. THAT would be a negative.

[99jc]

Only if we had a Target store***

Sometimes money isn't always the final decision for a family to move. Fayetteville (NW Arkansas) is a pretty nice place to be.

my understanding was KB was good to go but wife was not....happy wife happy life

[Desoto1967]

So Arnett inherited an AR offense, has AR recruits coming in. So AR staff is cut and some pieces hit the TP. Now he has been embarrassed nationally swinging for the fences on a OC. Everyone now is a second choice. Is Arnett over his head?

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Embarrassed nationally? I don?t anyone paying attention except message board posters from State and Arky

[Lord McBuckethead]

Stop being so gullible!

1) An SEC OC is successful at a school that can match our offers. 1st clue we weren't getting Briles.

2) His agent is notorious for playing schools for pay raises, literally just did it to Auburn with Kiffin. Clue 2.

3) Our insiders were told yesterday we got him, but the signing kept dragging and dragging, almost like Briles was trying to see what Arky would counter with. Clue 3.

Insiders get their info from people close to the situation. people close to the situation care a LOT and are eager to believe anything that's good for State. We, as a viewing audience, need to be more critical. This would have been an unusual move, the agent does this all the time, and unexplained hold ups kept this from moving quick. The ONLY thing implying this would happen was that he was giving us the time of day, which of course he would, he has too to get an offer he can take to Arky to match.

You act like we are all beat up over this news? This is the game. We move on to the next on the list. No big deal.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Embarrassed nationally? I don?t anyone paying attention except message board posters from State and Arky

Yeah, even if you google Briles and MSU prior to this it barely showed any references other than message board stuff.

[basedog]

my understanding was KB was good to go but wife was not....happy wife happy life

I'm pretty sure this isn't the only time this has happened. I saw where someone said if true then he isn't man enough for our job. Well, I can say "If your wife ain't happy then no one is happy"!

Family is very important, well too most anyway. Hard to pack up and leave especially with kids involved.

[Really Clark?]

So Arnett inherited an AR offense, has AR recruits coming in. So AR staff is cut and some pieces hit the TP. Now he has been embarrassed nationally swinging for the fences on a OC. Everyone now is a second choice. Is Arnett over his head?

Embarrassed? No way. If anything it sends a signal that he is willing to go hard after a known great young coordinator. And that we as a school are will to pay top assistant money for a coach.

[MedDawg]

So Arnett inherited an AR offense, has AR recruits coming in. So AR staff is cut and some pieces hit the TP. Now he has been embarrassed nationally swinging for the fences on a OC. Everyone now is a second choice. Is Arnett over his head?

WTH? No.

[Commercecomet24]

Embarrassed? No way. If anything it sends a signal that he is willing to go hard after a known great young coordinator. And that we as a school are will to pay top assistant money for a coach.

This.

[msstatelp1]

Stop being so gullible!

1) An SEC OC is successful at a school that can match our offers. 1st clue we weren't getting Briles.

2) His agent is notorious for playing schools for pay raises, literally just did it to Auburn with Kiffin. Clue 2.

3) Our insiders were told yesterday we got him, but the signing kept dragging and dragging, almost like Briles was trying to see what Arky would counter with. Clue 3.

Insiders get their info from people close to the situation. people close to the situation care a LOT and are eager to believe anything that's good for State. We, as a viewing audience, need to be more critical. This would have been an unusual move, the agent does this all the time, and unexplained hold ups kept this from moving quick. The ONLY thing implying this would happen was that he was giving us the time of day, which of course he would, he has too to get an offer he can take to Arky to match.


So Arnett inherited an AR offense, has AR recruits coming in. So AR staff is cut and some pieces hit the TP. Now he has been embarrassed nationally swinging for the fences on a OC. Everyone now is a second choice. Is Arnett over his head?

Both of you need to get the **** outta here with this "poor ole Mitthippi State" shit. Arnett had the balls to go after who he wanted and knew we would be countered if AR wanted to keep Briles. Sexton played AR, if he played anybody.