Tenn game thread

[msstate7]

Tolu gives up a basket and missed a gimme

[RocketDawg]

Already down 8-0

[KOdawg1]

10-0.

Great start guys

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Do we practice offense at all?

[msstate7]

I mean Jans isn't starting our best guard, and then we wonder why our offense is trash. I have no idea what jans is doing.

[R2Dawg]

We must get better on O., but tonight our D sucks.

[NCMSTFAN]

Sorry, didn't know a thread was already started.

We may have the worse offense we've had since the Rick Ray days and I'm not exagerrating

[RocketDawg]

13-0 4 minutes in.

[KOdawg1]

Do we practice offense at all?

We've had some good looks, we just can't shoot. Like at all. Free throws, 3 pointers, mid-range, layups, you name it. We're allergic to scoring the basketball.

[RocketDawg]

16-0

[Goldendawg]

Usual poor start. Maybe worse than usual. Teams have to be able to score to make tourney. Pitiful.

[EdwardDrayton]

16-0. Heaven help us.

[R2Dawg]

Rick Ray team with 5 scholarship players could outscore this team.

[State82]

Laughable embarrassment.

[NCMSTFAN]

Start Shak, play Russell, Hamilton and Murphy more!!! Nothing to lose at this point, we look terrible!

[RocketDawg]

You'd think just by chance one would go in at some point.

[Homedawg]

Do we practice offense at all?

We just can't shoot. It's not for a lack of good looks

[NCMSTFAN]

Rick Ray team with 5 scholarship players could outscore this team.

I truthfully believe this, Craig Sword, Fred Thomas and Gavin Ware could all at least score

[CadaverDawg]

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[NCMSTFAN]

We just can't shoot. It's not for a lack of good looks

The half court offense isn't pretty either, no flow to it

[RocketDawg]

First score on goal tending.

[RocketDawg]

8 minutes in and only have put one shot through the basket and that was a free throw.

[msstate7]

Barnes is just working Jans. Tenn gets an easy shot every possession.

[EdwardDrayton]

Eight points in eleven minutes. Have had some hope for the progression of this offense but it is greatly diminishing.

[msugolf]

We just aren?t very talented, especially on the offensive end. We need a major transfer portal haul for next season to go along with about 2-3 euros

[msstate7]

Eight points in eleven minutes. Have had some hope for the progression of this offense but it is greatly diminishing.

We have been a really bad team since the jackson st game. This is all-the-sudden 5 games. I'm not sure we're gonna be able to beat OM Saturday at home. OM can play defense, and I have zero confidence in our shooting or offensive sets

[PGHBulldogBG]

Bama and UT has far superior talent to us. We might do well against equal talented teams like Marquette and Utah but we don’t have the offense to pull an upset against one of the SEC top 5 teams.

[msstate7]

This isn't just bad offense. This defense right now looks awful

[NCMSTFAN]

Bama and UT has far superior talent to us. We might do well against equal talented teams like Marquette and Utah but we don’t have the offense to pull an upset against one of the SEC top 5 teams.

We caught Marquette early in the season before teams knew about us... they are better than us and I hate to say that

[msugolf]

Bama and UT has far superior talent to us. We might do well against equal talented teams like Marquette and Utah but we don’t have the offense to pull an upset against one of the SEC top 5 teams.

His whole tenure is contingent on his ability to get a bunch of new players in here next year. And not just bodies but some studs. Our current signees aren?t gonna move the needle so I?m guessing he is going to hit portal hard

[Homedawg]

Barnes is just working Jans. Tenn gets an easy shot every possession.

Ever thought it's bc they got way better players??

[Homedawg]

Bama and UT has far superior talent to us. We might do well against equal talented teams like Marquette and Utah but we don’t have the offense to pull an upset against one of the SEC top 5 teams.
Thus- why we won't go 9-9 in league and will be nit. And that's an achievement w this team

[NCMSTFAN]

His whole tenure is contingent on his ability to get a bunch of new players in here next year. And not just bodies but some studs. Our current signees aren?t gonna move the needle so I?m guessing he is going to hit portal hard

His recruiting hasn't been very good yet though. I'm hoping he can go get a couple of scorers from somewhere

[msstate7]

Ever thought it's bc they got way better players??

They've been a poor offensive team coming into this game. I've watched a few of their games, and I haven't saw them get this many open shots. OM defended the hell out of them last week.

[R2Dawg]

Dang, I got tickets for OM Saturday but I'm not sure I want to waste my time now. Good grief we suck.

[EdwardDrayton]

Ever thought it's bc they got way better players??

Ever thought it's because we have way lesser players??!!?

[msstate7]

They scored 63 total last week on OM. Not sure why calling our defense out isn't allowed when they're playing horrible

[State82]

We're stockpiling enough bricks to complete the Hump renovation.

[msstate7]

Tenn shoots 41.5% from field entering game, but they're at 60.0% against us. It's bc they're getting great looks.

[msstate7]

Another wide open 3

[Homedawg]

Ever thought it's because we have way lesser players??!!?

All the same

[Homedawg]

They scored 63 total last week on OM. Not sure why calling our defense out isn't allowed when they're playing horrible

You can call out our defense. That's legal. And fair.

[Goldendawg]

We just can't shoot. It's not for a lack of good looks

But theylook good getting off the bus. SEC roster of years past. Bunch of athletes trying to play basketball, not basketball players. Can't throw it in the ocean. Look at the talent Jans brought in with him. Very concerning. Play Howland's young recruits. Nothing to lose.

[Dawg2003]

We look like a D2 team against them.

[Homedawg]

His recruiting hasn't been very good yet though. I'm hoping he can go get a couple of scorers from somewhere
Need more nil funds. Cost us last year big time after he got the job

[Dawg2003]

It's like Tennessee is playing a junior high team. We just look silly.

[msstate7]

You can call out our defense. That's legal. And fair.

That's why I'm pissed. We suck offensively, but we can play defense. We don't have offensive talent, but we have the athletes to defend. This half was unacceptable.

[confucius say]

They're on pace to make 18 threes. 9-14 from deep.
Just one of those nights. If they are shooting their normal percentage, it's a single digit game at the half.
Just get to 4-4 in the league.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Need more nil funds. Cost us last year big time after he got the job

We will not be any good in basketball no matter who the coach is if we do not shell out the NIL money

[R2Dawg]

To make matters worse, we have to watch on the UT network.

[NCMSTFAN]

But theylook good getting off the bus. SEC roster of years past. Bunch of athletes trying to play basketball, not basketball players. Can't throw it in the ocean. Look at the talent Jans brought in with him. Very concerning. Play Howland's young recruits. Nothing to lose.

Exactly! Id give you more rep if I could. This is exactly what I said. None of the players Jans brought in are SEC guys. Play the young players, they were all pretty highly recruited.

[confucius say]

We will not be any good in basketball no matter who the coach is if we do not shell out the NIL money

Well that's not happening. Guarantee you less than 20% of people in this thread are giving $50 or more a month the BI.

[EdwardDrayton]

Our performance tonight has been a catastrophe on both ends of the floor. Jans better focus all resources into recruiting overdrive after the NIT.

[msstate7]

They're on pace to make 18 threes. 9-14 from deep.
Just one of those nights. If they are shooting their normal percentage, it's a single digit game at the half.
Just get to 4-4 in the league.

Those 3s are great looks though. When you give up wide open shots they go down at higher rates

[NCMSTFAN]

Need more nil funds. Cost us last year big time after he got the job

I agree it plays a part, but that's a problem for every D1 team in America.. we have to figure it out. Every year going forward we can't use NIL as an excuse to suck

[Goldendawg]

His recruiting hasn't been very good yet though. I'm hoping he can go get a couple of scorers from somewhere

We got Davis off a team that went 3-29 or so last year. Doesn't say much. Then others from Albany, USM, SE MO State, NM State. Not much help to play SEC ball.

[Goldendawg]

They scored 63 total last week on OM. Not sure why calling our defense out isn't allowed when they're playing horrible

Defense has also disappeared faster than our WR's against tough man to man DB's.****

[Goldendawg]

That's why I'm pissed. We suck offensively, but we can play defense. We don't have offensive talent, but we have the athletes to defend. This half was unacceptable.

Part of problem, too many athletes and not enough basketball players, especially shooters.

[R2Dawg]

I agree it plays a part, but that's a problem for every D1 team in America.. we have to figure it out. Every year going forward we can't use NIL as an excuse to suck

This NIL ain't going to solve anything. If we jumped up, guess what, the other big schools just pay even more.

More money don't fix everything. If so TAMU would be in NC game but wait what bowl did they go to?

[R2Dawg]

Part of problem, too many athletes and not enough basketball players, especially shooters.

This is true. We need to basketball players not just great athletes playing basketball.

[msstate7]

Davis and Moore need to be the back court Saturday

[msstate7]

How the ump 30 ft away gonna call a travel with ump watching 5 ft away?

[HoopsDawg]

Part of problem, too many athletes and not enough basketball players, especially shooters.

not great athletes either. The talent disparity may be bigger than MSUvsBama football.

[Goldendawg]

Davis and Moore need to be the back court Saturday

No, our herky-jerky 6'7" former 5 star Memphis player needs to play the point more.******

[confucius say]

They've hit several contested threes from 25 feet.
We just drew the two best teams in the league to open our schedule.
Too early to panic. Just get to 4-4

[NCMSTFAN]

They've hit several contested threes from 25 feet.
We just drew the two best teams in the league to open our schedule.
Too early to panic. Just get to 4-4

I would agree if we didn't look so bad against Jackson State, Nicholls State and Drake before heading into SEC play. It is time to panick with this particular team.. we don't look good and I don't know if Jans can get us to a place offensively to compete this year

[Goldendawg]

They've hit several contested threes from 25 feet.
We just drew the two best teams in the league to open our schedule.
Too early to panic. Just get to 4-4

Hope you are right. Looks like a total lack of SEC level talent and showed beginning with Jackson State of all teams. Hail State!

[PGHBulldogBG]

I would agree if we didn't look so bad against Jackson State, Nicholls State and Drake before heading into SEC play. It is time to panick with this particular team.. we don't look good and I don't know if Jans can get us to a place offensively to compete this year

Honestly those 3 games make me more upset than Bama and UT. If we had beat all 3 of those by double digits and then this happened it would be a different story.

[confucius say]

I would agree if we didn't look so bad against Jackson State, Nicholls State and Drake before heading into SEC play. It is time to panick with this particular team.. we don't look good and I don't know if Jans can get us to a place offensively to compete this year

We'll compete.

[NCMSTFAN]

We'll compete.

By what definition? When I say compete, I'm talking a shot at the tournament.. thats why they play, get to March Madness where anything can happen.

[PGHBulldogBG]

They've hit several contested threes from 25 feet.
We just drew the two best teams in the league to open our schedule.
Too early to panic. Just get to 4-4

4-4? Who are we beating outside Ole Miss and Florida if we play decent in these first 8 games. I think we can get some wins later against SC twice, Vandy and Ole Miss if we play well but the first 8 I have no idea how we get to 4 wins

[EdwardDrayton]

We'll compete.

Or not

[NCMSTFAN]

4-4? Who are we beating outside Ole Miss and Florida if we play decent in these first 8 games. I think we can get some wins later against SC twice, Vandy and Ole Miss if we play well but the first 8 I have no idea how we get to 4 wins

I'm not seeng it either. I hope I'm wrong

[NCMSTFAN]

I have to give a shot out to Tyler Stevenson though, he is the only one who came to play today. He deserved to start tonight. He's got a good mid range shot that people don't use much anymore

[msstate7]

We haven't lost a regular season sec game by 30 points or more since 2012-3 season

[R2Dawg]

Stevenson needs to play. DJ needs to come off bench.

Jans hasn't found the right chemistry of who needs to play yet but Stevenson has earned some PT.

[R2Dawg]

4-4? Who are we beating outside Ole Miss and Florida if we play decent in these first . 8 games. I think we can get some wins later against SC twice, Vandy and Ole Miss if we play well but the first 8 I have no idea how we get to 4 wins

UGA

We gotta get a few more good wins - Aub, UT home, OM on road?

[EdwardDrayton]

Stevenson needs to play. DJ needs to come off bench.

Jans hasn't found the right chemistry of who needs to play yet but Stevenson has earned some PT.

This

[R2Dawg]

We have started SEC play against the top two teams to two of top in nation so not ready to give up yet but OM Sat is a must win for any hope of a season.

[PGHBulldogBG]

We haven't lost a regular season sec game by 30 points or more since 2012-3 season

That’s because we are back to Rick Ray talent. Jans is clearly a better coach because he has a defensive structure that can sometimes throw better teams like Marquette off their game, but with top 10 teams we need more talent to win.

[Goldendawg]

I have to give a shot out to Tyler Stevenson though, he is the only one who came to play today. He deserved to start tonight. He's got a good mid range shot that people don't use much anymore

Give him a chance to start, but these points are in garbage time against TN subs with the game far out of hand. I know, it's when I got most of my points in HS!****

[Goldendawg]

Stevenson needs to play. DJ needs to come off bench.

Jans hasn't found the right chemistry of who needs to play yet but Stevenson has earned some PT.

May be hard to find the right chemistry with so many missing elements.******

[msstate7]

That’s because we are back to Rick Ray talent. Jans is clearly a better coach because he has a defensive structure that can sometimes throw better teams like Marquette off their game, but with top 10 teams we need more talent to win.

We're bringing in 4 more guys that are poorly ranked

[Goldendawg]

Largest margin of victory by TN in history of series that started in 1924 (according to the announcer). B-A-D. Just in time for me to watch "Oak Island". Have watched every episode. They will find gold before we find shooters!*****

[NCMSTFAN]

We're bringing in 4 more guys that are poorly ranked

Yea thats the scary part. Jans hasn't been good at all on the recruiting trail

[EdwardDrayton]

Largest TN victory margin against State ever in the series starting in 1924.

[msstate7]

Largest TN victory margin against State ever in the series starting in 1924.

Jans has been great this year, but this performance is unacceptable. He needs to do much, much, much better Saturday at home against OM. If he loses that one, this season is over

[Goldendawg]

Started 11-0, our "We Believe Year" in basketball?

[PGHBulldogBG]

If we don’t win Saturday we are staring down a Rick Ray 3-15 SEC record

[NCMSTFAN]

Jans has been great this year, but this performance is unacceptable. He needs to do much, much, much better Saturday at home against OM. If he loses that one, this season is over

Not bashing Jans but I haven't seen any adjustments with the flow of our offense, it's alot of one on one and bad shot taking. I wouldn't call what I've seen the past 5 games great. But he did have us looking good to start the season

[NCDawg]

Largest TN victory margin against State ever in the series starting in 1924.

That is really bad. We thought we had something, playing good defense, and playing not very good teams at first. Problem is, we're not a very good shooting team, and you are not going to beat good teams when you can't make shots.

[civildawg]

Offensively we haven?t been good from the start. Not going to lie, I was a little worried when we hired Jan?s because I watched his NMSU teams struggle badly on the offensive end. They had that one really good guard whose name escapes me that bailed them out so many times on offense. It?s really hard for me to comprehend how bad we are offensively, I?m not joking when I say I feel like we could find 4 or 5 guys from the Sanderson that can shoot better than us

[EdwardDrayton]

Love our Dawgs. When does baseball begin?

[Saltydog]

Yea thats the scary part. Jans hasn't been good at all on the recruiting trail

Until he proves otherwise, color me skeptical that he will ever be good in that regard. His brand of basketball is not going to be popular with kids that want to romp up and down the floor. His teams win ugly. That's not appealing to most recruits.

[Bothrops]

Jans is gonna have to find some shooters that 100 something other teams have missed on. I'd hate to be in his shoes trying to fix this lemon.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Until he proves otherwise, color me skeptical that he will ever be good in that regard. His brand of basketball is not going to be popular with kids that want to romp up and down the floor. His teams win ugly. That's not appealing to most recruits.

Tony Bennett makes it work so I’m not counting it out. Ole Miss is having the same issues with Bama tonight on the road like we had at Tenn. my hopes of making the NCAA have disappeared because I no longer think we win @UGA or @Mizzou but hopefully in a year or two if he can just get a bit better offensive talent we can get to the tournament and make a run

[NCMSTFAN]

Offensively we haven?t been good from the start. Not going to lie, I was a little worried when we hired Jan?s because I watched his NMSU teams struggle badly on the offensive end. They had that one really good guard whose name escapes me that bailed them out so many times on offense. It?s really hard for me to comprehend how bad we are offensively, I?m not joking when I say I feel like we could find 4 or 5 guys from the Sanderson that can shoot better than us

Agree, good post. I had the exact same concerns and voiced them plenty of times. The player your talking about who won them alot of games was Teddy Allen, averaged 19.6 ppg.. he was a good perimeter scorer. We don't have anything close to that on the perimeter. This season may get really ugly

[msugolf]

Offensively we haven?t been good from the start. Not going to lie, I was a little worried when we hired Jan?s because I watched his NMSU teams struggle badly on the offensive end. They had that one really good guard whose name escapes me that bailed them out so many times on offense. It?s really hard for me to comprehend how bad we are offensively, I?m not joking when I say I feel like we could find 4 or 5 guys from the Sanderson that can shoot better than us

I was the same way and even mentioned it when we hired him that I felt it was the wrong path to go. He?s a defensive minded coach that wins with an ugly style. I?ve followed him for a while now and his teams have always been this way.

That?s why I preferred one of the SoCon coaches who play uptempo and run an offense with multiple shooters.

I still think he can do well here but he?s going to have to find at least 2 superstar players that can take over games to go along with role players who have high IQ

[NCMSTFAN]

Until he proves otherwise, color me skeptical that he will ever be good in that regard. His brand of basketball is not going to be popular with kids that want to romp up and down the floor. His teams win ugly. That's not appealing to most recruits.

True, he won alot of ugly tough nosed games at NMSU, but in the SEC your not winning alot of games that way, you have to have guys who not only can play defense and be athletic, but can go score the ball efficiently. We don't have anything close to that right now other than Tolu but he gets doubled and triple teamed every play

[NCMSTFAN]

I was the same way and even mentioned it when we hired him that I felt it was the wrong path to go. He?s a defensive minded coach that wins with an ugly style. I?ve followed him for a while now and his teams have always been this way.

That?s why I preferred one of the SoCon coaches who play uptempo and run an offense with multiple shooters.

I still think he can do well here but he?s going to have to find at least 2 superstar players that can take over games to go along with role players who have high IQ

You may be right, but as you mentioned he's got to go find some pure scorers ASAP if he plans to compete in the SEC. The tough nosed mid major talent players won't work here

[Goldendawg]

Agree, good post. I had the exact same concerns and voiced them plenty of times. The player your talking about who won them alot of games was Teddy Allen, averaged 19.6 ppg.. he was a good perimeter scorer. We don't have anything close to that on the perimeter. This season may get really ugly

So, no refilling the Hump in sight for a while.

[NCMSTFAN]

So, no refilling the Hump in sight for a while.

Hahaha I was thinking the same thing. I saw someone post something similar on Twitter. I hope the Hump can stay rocking, they still deserve our support, but tonight was really tough to watch

[NCMSTFAN]

We lost tonight by 34 points... the last time we lost a game by 30 or more points was in 2012. Rick Ray's 1st year as a Head Coach.

We were ready for Howland to go (it was time) but I can't name one Howland team that looked this bad offensively.

[msstate7]

Ok, this was ugly, but we have a winnable game Saturday. Bounce back, dawgs

[Dawg2003]

Howland could recruit talent, but he couldn't get them anywhere. I have my doubts that Jan's can recruit well enough to compete in the SEC. That was a big concern I had with this hire. That and his style of play is not really modern. These days, it's more about offense than ugly defensive battles.

[Goldendawg]

OM shot 2 of 24 from 3 against bama. Better have some welders from the Hump renovation on standby to possibly repair rims in-game Saturday with that and our shooting ability.**** Surely we can "bounce back" and beat them or long year in sight. Hail State!

[NCMSTFAN]

Howland could recruit talent, but he couldn't get them anywhere. I have my doubts that Jan's can recruit well enough to compete in the SEC. That was a big concern I had with this hire. That and his style of play is not really modern. These days, it's more about offense than ugly defensive battles.

I agree with that, Howland could recruit his butt off but he never got us anywhere. That being said, at the end of the day you have to go get talented players to have a chance. Being a defensive team will only get you so far

[tcdog70]

we don't have SEC quality guards.

[NCMSTFAN]

we don't have SEC quality guards.

This is defintely part of the problem.. Eric Reed, Jamel Horton and even Deshawn Davis just aren't very good. Shak Moore is the best we have and he's even playing down this year also. You win College basketball games with your gaurds, everything starts with them.

[SpaceBully]

Shades of Rick Ray......hope this doesn't stick.

[SpaceBully]

I agree with that, Howland could recruit his butt off but he never got us anywhere. That being said, at the end of the day you have to go get talented players to have a chance. Being a defensive team will only get you so far

Stans said years ago when the shot clock was reduced to 30 seconds that recruiting would change from a "basketball talent" to getting the "best athletes" and then coach them up to a basketball mentality.