What's the latest on the OC?

[msstate7]

Briles first year at previous stops improvement...

Total offense ranks nationally:
2016 FAU - 72nd
2017 FAU (briles year 1) - 9th

2017 Houston - 40th
2018 Houston (KB year 1) - 7th

2018 fsu - 103rd
2019 fsu (KB year 1) - 59th

2019 ark - 111th
2020 ark (KB year 1) - 66th

Each stop has had a massive improvement in offense immediately.
We finished 62nd this year BTW

Briles at ark in total offense...
2020 - 66th
2021 - 27th
2022 - 16th

...

Briles' total offense as an OC has not gone backwards yet from the previous season. That's an amazing stat.

[msstate7]

I am skeptical we even get Briles, but you can’t deny the numbers.

I'm skeptical too. He's one of the best in the country.

[Dawg496]

Briles is a ****ing home run hire.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm skeptical too. He's one of the best in the country.

He has an offer. It would make him one of the highest paid OCs in the country and he would have full autonomy of the offensive staff. We will have an answer by tomorrow.

That info is from a poster on the OM 247 site that has very close ties with the Briles/Lebby family. So I would take his word on this one.

[msstate7]

He has an offer. It would make him one of the highest paid OCs in the country and he would have full autonomy of the offensive staff. We will have an answer by tomorrow.

That info is from a poster on the OM 247 site that has very close ties with the Briles/Lebby family. So I would take his word on this one.

I like ZA more by the hour. This is a great, aggressive move

[Bubb Rubb]

I'm skeptical too. He's one of the best in the country.

Agreed.

[PikeDawg15]

Anyone have access to the ole miss 247 page thread on all this, also Arkansas has a thread talking about it as well.

[PikeDawg15]

He has an offer. It would make him one of the highest paid OCs in the country and he would have full autonomy of the offensive staff. We will have an answer by tomorrow.

That info is from a poster on the OM 247 site that has very close ties with the Briles/Lebby family. So I would take his word on this one.

Briles is currently making 1.25 million at Arkansas and just resigned with them to a longer contract in January of 2022. Would we have to pay a buyout?

[Ari Gold]

Briles is currently making 1.25 million at Arkansas and just resigned with them to a longer contract in January of 2022. Would we have to pay a buyout?

Apparently we paid the buyout for Bumphis at Utah.. so I’m sure we would have no issue with the Briles buyout..

[TrapGame]

I'm skeptical too. He's one of the best in the country.

I would be too if it wasn't for some 247 insiders saying he called us first.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Seems a lot of players-coaches jumping off the UPig ship

[PMDawg]

No one on this board has any influence over who is going to be hired. Just let it play out before getting your panties in a wad.

Hey look, some sanity!

My only add is that I thought the point of hiring ZA was total continuity. All of this shake-up is surprising. Can't say whether it's good or bad until it plays out, just surprising. Perhaps he is just so impressive that he was an obvious choice either way. All we can do is wait and see how it plays out at this point.

[Coursesuper]

Seems a lot of players-coaches jumping off the UPig ship

I just spoke with friend who had a nephew on the team that transferred out. He only said that this kid was leaving due to the position coach, did say that Pitman said that they would not play the NIL game if they were pushed.

[tcdog70]

I like ZA more by the hour. This is a great, aggressive move

what? you actually LIKE something.. Now that is a first.. Give it time-I'm sure You will find several things you hate -soon.

[KOdawg1]

Some of y'all who are completely opposed to anything but the air raid act like we've been a juggernaut on offense or something.

We were 62nd in total offense this year. I'm not sure why some are so hell bent on keeping more of the same.

The personnel excuse is BS, especially with the transfer portal.

I love Coach Leach but to keep a mediocre offense for the sake of keeping it is not wise

[BrunswickDawg]

Some of y'all who are completely opposed to anything but the air raid act like we've been a juggernaut on offense or something.

We were 62nd in total offense this year. I'm not sure why some are so hell bent on keeping more of the same.

The personnel excuse is BS, especially with the transfer portal.

I love Coach Leach but to keep a mediocre offense for the sake of keeping it is not wise

I think the fear is based entirely on what we have been through Dan walked out the door. Fact is our offense has gone through 2 major transitions in 5 seasons, and no one wants to see us go through another retooling.
Based on this I think Briles is arguably the perfect guy - has an Air Raid back ground, a history with multiple approaches, and has shown that his offenses improve immediately.

I think Briles is the type who could come in and make Will better by simplifying the approach and actually calling the plays instead of relying on Will to read everything and think too much.

[TrapGame]

Some of y'all who are completely opposed to anything but the air raid act like we've been a juggernaut on offense or something.

We were 62nd in total offense this year. I'm not sure why some are so hell bent on keeping more of the same.

The personnel excuse is BS, especially with the transfer portal.

I love Coach Leach but to keep a mediocre offense for the sake of keeping it is not wise

It would be really dumb as this point to switch to an offensive scheme that didn't have an Air Raid foundation. A total over haul right now would not be in Arnett's best interests as a new HC.

[Msujd164]

Why do some think we are to good for Briles? He?d be a huge get. Young, innovative. And I?m sure he knows Lane?s whole offense, which would certainly help in the egg bowl!!

[KOdawg1]

It would be really dumb as this point to switch to an offensive scheme that didn't have an Air Raid foundation. A total over haul right now would not be in Arnett's best interests as a new HC.

Briles wouldn't be a complete overhaul. He's used air raid concepts before and had success with them.

He's shown to be an adaptive OC.

I'll leave Arnett to decide what's in his best interests since it's his job

[TorpedoIPA]

Wonder if he would hire his daddy ?

[KOdawg1]

Wonder if he would hire his daddy ?

Negative

[Cooterpoot]

It would be really dumb as this point to switch to an offensive scheme that didn't have an Air Raid foundation. A total over haul right now would not be in Arnett's best interests as a new HC.

Well, it's a good damn thing Briles incorporates Air Raid concepts in his offense.

[msstate7]

Well, it's a good damn thing Briles incorporates Air Raid concepts in his offense.

Think we got a real shot?

[CadaverDawg]

Anybody wanting JUST "continuity", I just can't understand that. Even the players in the air raid know that the offense wasn't getting the job done. That's why some of our best weapons left it. If any player were to leave bc we went Briles instead of Spurrier Jr, then I'll help them find a new team bc we do not want them.

I'm seriously blown away at the amount of "continuity" and not wanting to veer from the Air Raid, posts. WTF have you been doing when we've had possession of the ball the last few years, putting a bag over your head? The "Air Raid" is what's holding us back. And with Leach's unfortunate passing, we have been given a way to go to a better offensive scheme without firing or forcing any changes to a bad offense. The kids are 18-22 year olds...they can change from crossing routes to the routes they ran in high school with little problem. Not only that, we have a bunch of talented receivers that aren't touching the ball enough due to our stubborn scheme as it is, and a new offense will change that.
Briles would not come in and completely disrupt what we have going. He has never done that, and never will. Unless you deem "making it a hell of a lot better" as "disruptive"....and if that's the case, come and disrupt the hell out of it, Kendall.

[CadaverDawg]

Well, it's a good damn thing Briles incorporates Air Raid concepts in his offense.

Exactly. Todd has somehow gotten people to believe that Briles runs the wish bone or something. These posts are ludicrous

[ZedFedder]

Remember that we were paying Leach, what, 5.5 mil? Arnett is getting paid 3 mil a year as of now, so you have more chips at the table for the assistants.

[BrunswickDawg]

Anybody wanting JUST "continuity", I just can't understand that. Even the players in the air raid know that the offense wasn't getting the job done. That's why some of our best weapons left it. If any player were to leave bc we went Briles instead of Spurrier Jr, then I'll help them find a new team bc we do not want them.

I'm seriously blown away at the amount of "continuity" and not wanting to veer from the Air Raid, posts. WTF have you been doing when we've had possession of the ball the last few years, putting a bag over your head? The "Air Raid" is what's holding us back. And with Leach's unfortunate passing, we have been given a way to go to a better offensive scheme without firing or forcing any changes to a bad offense. The kids are 18-22 year olds...they can change from crossing routes to the routes they ran in high school with little problem. Not only that, we have a bunch of talented receivers that aren't touching the ball enough due to our stubborn scheme as it is, and a new offense will change that.
Briles would not come in and completely disrupt what we have going. He has never done that, and never will. Unless you deem "making it a hell of a lot better" as "disruptive"....and if that's the case, come and disrupt the hell out of it, Kendall.

It's MSU induced PTSD. People believed that JoMo's offense would be the tweaking and modernizing of Mullen's offense that wee needed to make the next step - and it was a train wreck (which was more about JoMo than the system)
Then we switch to pure Air Raid and endure the pain that produced after 115 years of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. People look at what is coming back, see our schedule, and "change" to them means JoMo 2.0 instead of possible improvement.

[TrapGame]

Briles wouldn't be a complete overhaul. He's used air raid concepts before and had success with them.

He's shown to be an adaptive OC.

I'll leave Arnett to decide what's in his best interests since it's his job


Well, it's a good damn thing Briles incorporates Air Raid concepts in his offense.

Oh, I'm 100% pro-Briles. I do not want some OC that's a Big10 ground and pound. That's just stupid. We need an OC that's AR friendly.

[Commercecomet24]

It's MSU induced PTSD. People believed that JoMo's offense would be the tweaking and modernizing of Mullen's offense that wee needed to make the next step - and it was a train wreck (which was more about JoMo than the system)
Then we switch to pure Air Raid and endure the pain that produced after 115 years of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. People look at what is coming back, see our schedule, and "change" to them means JoMo 2.0 instead of possible improvement.

Thats a dang good assessment!

[yjnkdawg]

I think continuity means keeping a similar type offense but it doesn't mean keeping the exact offense we have now. CML was the only one in D1 football to run a pure Air Raid. Continuity doesn't have anything to do with the coaching staff. CZA wants coaches that he thinks can do the best job in the offense that he wants to run. You can't handicap and tell CZA that you have the job but you have to keep the same offense and coaches you have now because a few on MSU boards freak out if there is any change, and they think they know what is best for our football program. And this rebuild talk is just stupid. He is not going to tear down our current football program but just add to it. That makes no sense at all on this rebuild mentality.

[SPMT]

Thats a dang good assessment!

Was thinking same thing. I get it.

[gtowndawg]

I've always thought a DC would know exactly what kind of offense he would want to run because he knows which offenses are the hardest to prepare for and stop. Probably oversimplifying but that has to play into the equation.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Briles is not Mullen’s offense. It’s Leach’s offense with the early 90s Houston Run and Shoot. It’s what his dad developed. Remember, Art was a wishbone Wing T guy in the early 90s and became enamored with Leach and Mumme and their offense and completely changed his philosophy to the air raid in the late 90s. He got on staff with Leach and by the time he got to Houston he had meshed Leach’s offense with the Run and Shoot.

There is more balance with this offense, but at the foundation of it is the Air Raid. This will not be some philosophical switch

[BankerDog]

All I wanna say is putting up 19 points against Liberty at home with your ?dark horse Heisman? don?t impress me much.

[KOdawg1]

Delete

[Goldendawg]

Rebuilding what? You are making yourself look silly. What exactly are you wanting to hang on to? Our offense sucked this year.

Our offense disappeared for quite some times in many games, wins or losses. What was our points per game in SEC vs. OOC? I don't think we can afford to completely start all over and won't, but I think even Coach Leach knew some change was needed.

[BiscuitEater]

I have absolutely no info on this so dont start any bullshit with me on it

NOTICE your EXACT quote when ML was first mentioned as our HC candidate (Below)

100% wrong!

Coach34 .. "We're not hiring the ****ing Pirate at Miss State. GTFO"

[msstate7]

All I wanna say is putting up 19 points against Liberty at home with your ?dark horse Heisman? don?t impress me much.

Probably best to evaluate the whole picture rather than cherry picking individual games. Like this one - they scored 26 vs bama this season, and that's 11 more points than we've scored on bama in our last 3 years combined (15 total).

[KOdawg1]

Probably best to evaluate the whole picture rather than cherry picking individual games. Like this one - they scored 26 vs bama this season, and that's 11 more points than we've scored on bama in our last 3 years combined (15 total).

I guess he's okay with our 10 offensive points vs Kentucky, and our 13 against Illinois, and our 6 vs Bama, and our 16 vs LSU.

[Goldendawg]

Hey look, some sanity!

My only add is that I thought the point of hiring ZA was total continuity. All of this shake-up is surprising. Can't say whether it's good or bad until it plays out, just surprising. Perhaps he is just so impressive that he was an obvious choice either way. All we can do is wait and see how it plays out at this point.

New HC's want their own people. Only assistants that consistently survive change are Tony Hughes and George Brooks!**** Hail State!

[Coach34]

NOTICE your EXACT quote when ML was first mentioned as our HC candidate (Below)

100% wrong!

Coach34 .. "We're not hiring the ****ing Pirate at Miss State. GTFO"

and even then- I didn't claim any inside info. I just didnt think that was something we would do.

[Coach34]

Probably best to evaluate the whole picture rather than cherry picking individual games. Like this one - they scored 26 vs bama this season, and that's 11 more points than we've scored on bama in our last 3 years combined (15 total).

Offense 2022 (they played 3 games without their starter and the toughest schedule in the country)

PPG:

UPig 32.5
State 31.6

SEC only:

UPig 28.5
State 25.4

Total Offense:

UPig- 471
State- 393

SEC-only:

UPig 416
State 358

[BlackSailsDawg]

The teams averaged the same points per game. But State scored more defensive and special teams points, so apples to apples, Arkansas scored almost 3 ppg more than we did this year, and that's with significant injuries that led to their best offensive weapon missing time. Total offense, they finished fifth in the conference, while we finished 10th. If you just go by SEC numbers, Arkansas was even better.

Facts are your friends. Look into them.


Seems a lot of players-coaches jumping off the UPig ship


That's a huge concern. He lost his top receivers. We are talking starters.

There is an issue there.


Another concern is his lack of recruiting.

But it will be what it will be.

[TrapGame]

There's a rumor that we'll hear something this afternoon. Briles has been offered. The pitch was he would be HC of the offense. He'll have total autonomy over the offense. The only caveat was accepting Bumphis as WR coach. Looks like Briles would bring most of the offensive staff from Arkansas with him. So, we will see.

[msstate7]

There's a rumor that we'll hear something this afternoon. Briles has been offered. The pitch was he would be HC of the offense. He'll have total autonomy over the offense. The only caveat was accepting Bumphis as WR coach. Looks like Briles would bring most of the offensive staff from Arkansas with him. So, we will see.

Man, that would be a gut punch for ark. I would think kj would probably really considering transferring if it happens like that

[BlackSailsDawg]

Offense 2022 (they played 3 games without their starter and the toughest schedule in the country)

PPG:

UPig 32.5
State 31.6

SEC only:

UPig 28.5
State 25.4

Total Offense:

UPig- 471
State- 393

SEC-only:

UPig 416
State 358

He lost to tamu. Those stats don't mean a thing if you are not winning games.

[CoachT14]

That's a huge concern. He lost his top receivers. We are talking starters.

There is an issue there.


Another concern is his lack of recruiting.

But it will be what it will be.

He’s a better recruiter than most of the guys we have on staff.

To add, they had 1 “starter” WR (3rd leading receiver) to the portal and 2 backups. Try again.

We lost our leading receiver and leading rusher. Did you think we had a problem then? Doubtful. You probably labeled them malcontents.

[CoachT14]

He lost to tamu. Those stats don't mean a thing if you are not winning games.

There’s this thing in football called a defense that factors into that too. Might wanna check it out.

Not to mention losing your starting QB in the game. But carry on being dumb.

[msstate7]

He lost to tamu. Those stats don't mean a thing if you are not winning games.

This is so dumb. He isn't the HC, but just so you can rest easy.... ark was 9-4 last season with an outback bowl win just like us this season.

BTW, lsu (the west champs) lost to aTm also

[Commercecomet24]

There’s this thing in football called a defense that factors into that too. Might wanna check it out.

Not to mention losing your starting QB in the game. But carry on being dumb.

I would think the losing would fall on the shoulders of the head coach. Also their defense was absolutely putrid. They knew going into every game they had to outscore everyone they played just to have a chance.

[Commercecomet24]

This is so dumb. He isn't the HC, but just so you can rest easy.... ark was 9-4 last season with an outback bowl win just like us this season.

BTW, lsu (the west champs) lost to aTm also

If i remember right bama had to have a last second pass breakup to beat am too.

[Coach34]

He lost to tamu. .

So did LSU

[BlackSailsDawg]

He’s a better recruiter than most of the guys we have on staff.

To add, they had 1 “starter” WR (3rd leading receiver) to the portal and 2 backups. Try again.

We lost our leading receiver and leading rusher. Did you think we had a problem then? Doubtful. You probably labeled them malcontents.

They lost Knox. Hass entered the draft. The next 2 in line transferred. You couple that with the rest of the people leaving. There is an issue.

We have very few leaving. There is no comparison.

[KOdawg1]

He lost to tamu. Those stats don't mean a thing if you are not winning games.

He was in charge of 1/3 of the team. The other 2/3rds factor into the result too

[Really Clark?]

He lost to tamu. Those stats don't mean a thing if you are not winning games.

So did LSU, what's your point. ARK scored 42 on OM and 26 vs Bama and 55 in their bowl game. How many did we score?

[Commercecomet24]

So did LSU, what's your point. ARK scored 42 on OM and 26 vs Bama and 55 in their bowl game. How many did we score?

I think some people are just arguing to argue.

[Really Clark?]

They lost Knox. Hass entered the draft. The next 2 in line transferred. You couple that with the rest of the people leaving. There is an issue.

We have very few leaving. There is no comparison.

Pitman is losing those players. Just like when we lost RaRa is blamed on Leach, not Spurrier. DJ was blamed on Leach not Washington

[CoachT14]

So did LSU, what's your point. ARK scored 42 on OM and 26 vs Bama and 55 in their bowl game. How many did we score?

Don’t bring facts in BSD being a drama queen

[CoachT14]

They lost Knox. Hass entered the draft. The next 2 in line transferred. You couple that with the rest of the people leaving. There is an issue.

We have very few leaving. There is no comparison.

So a guy getting drafted is a bad thing on a coach? L-O-L

Knox is a TE. You said WR’s. I’d say stop changing your goal posts but that’s kind of your thing.

[BankerDog]

I guess he's okay with our 10 offensive points vs Kentucky, and our 13 against Illinois, and our 6 vs Bama, and our 16 vs LSU.

Considering how I actually travel to games unlike a majority here, no I wasn?t. But yeah let?s upgrade to a guy who only put up 19 against Liberty, 21 against A&M, 10 against LSU, etc. I am not saying hire Spurrier- I was against that when most of you idiots were shouting to the masses that we needed to because of his last name. Think you see now why he never called plays before. All I?m saying is the output with Briles at Arkansas is basically the same as it is now- looking solely at scores, because you know points win games not yards. And for a certain someone to get on here and say if Briles? offense ?it?s Mullen?s offense except better.? Is laughable when he was the one who, every time he got, was shouting how we needed to move on from ?Dan Walsh offense.?

As far as you guys excited Bumphis and losing the WR coach who handed us Robertson, Locke, and Parson amongst others hope you enjoy your inside information you?ll get from him. Those WRs sure did look great last night against Penn State and Florida earlier this year. About the same as our current ones. But hey-at least a few guys will be able to say they get to go drink with BP and CB and get inside information so they can feel ?in the know?. Remind me again of how hiring a ?Mississippi State? boy in Cohen turned out for us..

[Cowbell]

Somebody please tell us all who we can get to come here that would be a better hire than Briles???

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I dont think the Leach Air Raid we saw this year would be much better if AJ Brown, CeeDee Lamb and DK Metcalf at WR if you had Rogers at QB

[Coach34]

Remind me again of how hiring a ?Mississippi State? boy in Cohen turned out for us..

Ummmm he rebuilt the baseball program after Polk tanked it and got us to our 1st NC series. He then hired a guy that won our only NC in baseball

Cohen is not the example you were hoping it would be

[KOdawg1]

Considering how I actually travel to games unlike a majority here, no I wasn?t. But yeah let?s upgrade to a guy who only put up 19 against Liberty, 21 against A&M, 10 against LSU, etc. I am not saying hire Spurrier- I was against that when most of you idiots were shouting to the masses that we needed to because of his last name. Think you see now why he never called plays before. All I?m saying is the output with Briles at Arkansas is basically the same as it is now- looking solely at scores, because you know points win games not yards. And for a certain someone to get on here and say if Briles? offense ?it?s Mullen?s offense except better.? Is laughable when he was the one who, every time he got, was shouting how we needed to move on from ?Dan Walsh offense.?

As far as you guys excited Bumphis and losing the WR coach who handed us Robertson, Locke, and Parson amongst others hope you enjoy your inside information you?ll get from him. Those WRs sure did look great last night against Penn State and Florida earlier this year. About the same as our current ones. But hey-at least a few guys will be able to say they get to go drink with BP and CB and get inside information so they can feel ?in the know?. Remind me again of how hiring a ?Mississippi State? boy in Cohen turned out for us..

Damn, I didn't read all that, but you seem like a miserable old fart. I don't think you'll be pleased with anything. Oh well.

It's Briles Szn baby!

[KOdawg1]

Ummmm he rebuilt the baseball program after Polk tanked it and got us to our 1st NC series. He then hired a guy that won our only NC in baseball

Cohen is not the example you were hoping it would be
BankerDog is a miserable human who is going to find something wrong with anything other than the status quo. We're making needle moving moves, so it's a tough time for him.

[Really Clark?]

Considering how I actually travel to games unlike a majority here, no I wasn?t. But yeah let?s upgrade to a guy who only put up 19 against Liberty, 21 against A&M, 10 against LSU, etc. I am not saying hire Spurrier- I was against that when most of you idiots were shouting to the masses that we needed to because of his last name. Think you see now why he never called plays before. All I?m saying is the output with Briles at Arkansas is basically the same as it is now- looking solely at scores, because you know points win games not yards. And for a certain someone to get on here and say if Briles? offense ?it?s Mullen?s offense except better.? Is laughable when he was the one who, every time he got, was shouting how we needed to move on from ?Dan Walsh offense.?

As far as you guys excited Bumphis and losing the WR coach who handed us Robertson, Locke, and Parson amongst others hope you enjoy your inside information you?ll get from him. Those WRs sure did look great last night against Penn State and Florida earlier this year. About the same as our current ones. But hey-at least a few guys will be able to say they get to go drink with BP and CB and get inside information so they can feel ?in the know?. Remind me again of how hiring a ?Mississippi State? boy in Cohen turned out for us..

They scored 13 vs LSU and won without their starting QB. They also scored 26 vs Bama, 42 vs OM, 55 vs Kansas, 44 vs USCe, 41 vs Auburn, 31 vs Cincinnati, and 52 vs BYU. They averaged 24.3 vs ranked opponents we averaged 13.7

[CoachT14]

They scored 13 vs LSU and won without their starting QB. They also scored 26 vs Bama, 42 vs OM, 55 vs Kansas, 44 vs USCe, 41 vs Auburn, 31 vs Cincinnati, and 52 vs BYU. They averaged 24.3 vs ranked opponents we averaged 13.7

I knew we were bad against ranked opponents because of our QB play. Didn’t realize it was that bad.

[Commercecomet24]

They scored 13 vs LSU and won without their starting QB. They also scored 26 vs Bama, 42 vs OM, 55 vs Kansas, 44 vs USCe, 41 vs Auburn, 31 vs Cincinnati, and 52 vs BYU. They averaged 24.3 vs ranked opponents we averaged 13.7

I just don't understand how people can't see facts. Not that hard to see the guy has had great offenses everywhere he's been. Heck he may not even be who we get.

[msstate7]

I just don't understand how people can't see facts. Not that hard to see the guy has had great offenses everywhere he's been. Heck he may not even be who we get.

They don't wanna change, so they refuse to see anything but what they wanna see. Lord knows, I'll get locked into trains of thoughts, but I'm always open to actual data to show me I'm wrong

[Commercecomet24]

They don't wanna change, so they refuse to see anything but what they wanna see. Lord knows, I'll get locked into trains of thoughts, but I'm always open to actual data to show me I'm wrong

I loved Leach, and what he brought here. He's gone now and nobody runs the Air Raid he ran and we now have a chance to run a more modern version of it(and I honestly believe Leach was starting to lean this way himself), and i'm all for it. Let's get a great OC to get our offense is as salty as our defense and Let's go!

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just don't understand how people can't see facts. Not that hard to see the guy has had great offenses everywhere he's been. Heck he may not even be who we get.

I know BankerDog very well. He is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff. We have been talking about Briles for a couple of days now. His concerns are warranted. I myself do not agree with him on this one though. I think Briles would be a home run hire. I do agree with him on Bumphis though. I have made my thoughts on that situation clear for two years. He has done nothing as a position coach that impresses me. The Utah receivers are the exact same as when he got there and he does not recruit at even a high level. If he was not a former player no one would know who the hell he was and would be raising hell that we were getting rid of Hollingshead to bring him on staff

[Todd4State]

Probably best to evaluate the whole picture rather than cherry picking individual games. Like this one - they scored 26 vs bama this season, and that's 11 more points than we've scored on bama in our last 3 years combined (15 total).

That first sentence is rich coming from you.

[Todd4State]

Considering how I actually travel to games unlike a majority here, no I wasn?t. But yeah let?s upgrade to a guy who only put up 19 against Liberty, 21 against A&M, 10 against LSU, etc. I am not saying hire Spurrier- I was against that when most of you idiots were shouting to the masses that we needed to because of his last name. Think you see now why he never called plays before. All I?m saying is the output with Briles at Arkansas is basically the same as it is now- looking solely at scores, because you know points win games not yards. And for a certain someone to get on here and say if Briles? offense ?it?s Mullen?s offense except better.? Is laughable when he was the one who, every time he got, was shouting how we needed to move on from ?Dan Walsh offense.?

As far as you guys excited Bumphis and losing the WR coach who handed us Robertson, Locke, and Parson amongst others hope you enjoy your inside information you?ll get from him. Those WRs sure did look great last night against Penn State and Florida earlier this year. About the same as our current ones. But hey-at least a few guys will be able to say they get to go drink with BP and CB and get inside information so they can feel ?in the know?. Remind me again of how hiring a ?Mississippi State? boy in Cohen turned out for us..

BOOM!

[BankerDog]

Players win games boys. Just remember that Moorhead put up good offensive stats at Penn State. I will support whomever. However-again on Bumphis love. Reminds of Terrell Buckley/DeShea Townsend 2.0. I hope I am wrong.

I hope you all have started donating to the NIL and if you are, are upping your contribution. It?s time to get some players. We have, over the last few years, raised our floor and now it?s time to start doing our part to getting to 8-9 wins on a more consistent basis.

And to the guy in the Tampa airport wearing a Maroon is all that Matters T-Shirt-I have $40 for you to never wear that again-please.

[KOdawg1]

BOOM!
Boom? You're really gonna side with that guy? Lol

[BankerDog]

Boom? You're really gonna side with that guy? Lol

What?s LOL is the fact you?re from Kosy and didn?t even know Hartman was being recruited by State and we were landing him several years back. Go ask Starkvegas Steve who told him how we were finishing that class about a month before signing day. Your ?inside information? is usually just a glance over-nothing of substance.

[msstate7]

looking solely at scores, because you know points win games not yards. ..

Ark has scored more per game than us the last 3 years.

http://cfbstats.com/2022/leader/911/team/offense/split01/category09/sort01.html

[KOdawg1]

What?s LOL is the fact you?re from Kosy and didn?t even know Hartman was being recruited by State and we were landing him several years back. Go ask Starkvegas Steve who told him how we were finishing that class about a month before signing day. Your ?inside information? is usually just a glance over-nothing of substance.
Tf are you talking about?

[TrapGame]

Players win games boys. Just remember that Moorhead put up good offensive stats at Penn State. I will support whomever. However-again on Bumphis love. Reminds of Terrell Buckley/DeShea Townsend 2.0.

Franklin put a leash on Moorhead. He told Joe he wanted his best five running plays and his best five passing plays. That's all he could call. There's a reason Franklin did not put up a fight to keep Moorhead.

And as far as T Buck goes he's the reason we landed a few four stars under Mullen. Mullen and the Club didn't want to "waste their time" with anything over three stars.

[Commercecomet24]

Ark has scored more per game than us the last 3 years.

http://cfbstats.com/2022/leader/911/team/offense/split01/category09/sort01.html

It's pretty plain to see. Arkansas has scored more and been more explosive than we have. The Leach Air Raid is a ball control offense and even Leach said it. I would love to see us evolve into a more modern version and I honestly believe even Leach saw this and was trending that way. I don't want to see us go all power spread or anything but there's nothing wrong with tweaking what we have and getting better. In this day and age you have to have a succesful passing game to win consistently but that doesn't mean you have to throw it 60 times a game. I'm all for evolving the offense and I guarantee you Coach Arnett is extremely interested in making us the best he can.

[CadaverDawg]

Boy this thread has it all, haha!

Good old fashioned debate and disagreement.....flexing on who attends more games (as if that makes someone smarter).....flexing on who has better connections.....C34 flex....C34 bash....Todd going all in on continuity and maintaining the air raid....me agreeing with Quars (again! Wtf?)....msstate7 saying not to cherry pick stats.....people acting like Briles is a downgrade....people acting like Bumphis is a downgrade.....

I'm entertained. Best thread in a while. Kudos to the chef

[Really Clark?]

I swear some of you...who do you suggest as the OC that stays close to Leach? Besides Hatcher, who still will revamp the running game and has his QB running zone read over 100 times a year, he may be the closest to Leach style wise and he would change the scheme a lot. All the air raid guys will be different. Briles, Littrell, Riley, Holgerson, etc. No matter who you suggest it was going to have to be different from.Leach. But please tell me who's the best option because from where I'm looking, Briles is a damn good option under this umbrella. I like Littrell too but if he sees running as a better option he will run but is very adaptive. Briles has run veer read RPO's which Will can run, if this only about Will staying at QB. I'm not sure what y'all want without putting up someone for comparison

[DownwardDawg]

It's pretty plain to see. Arkansas has scored more and been more explosive than we have. The Leach Air Raid is a ball control offense and even Leach said it. I would love to see us evolve into a more modern version and I honestly believe even Leach saw this and was trending that way. I don't want to see us go all power spread or anything but there's nothing wrong with tweaking what we have and getting better. In this day and age you have to have a succesful passing game to win consistently but that doesn't mean you have to throw it 60 times a game. I'm all for evolving the offense and I guarantee you Coach Arnett is extremely interested in making us the best he can.

You nailed it. How anyone could watch this offense all year and not want to change it somehow.... I don't know what to say.

[CadaverDawg]

It's pretty plain to see. Arkansas has scored more and been more explosive than we have. The Leach Air Raid is a ball control offense and even Leach said it. I would love to see us evolve into a more modern version and I honestly believe even Leach saw this and was trending that way. I don't want to see us go all power spread or anything but there's nothing wrong with tweaking what we have and getting better. In this day and age you have to have a succesful passing game to win consistently but that doesn't mean you have to throw it 60 times a game. I'm all for evolving the offense and I guarantee you Coach Arnett is extremely interested in making us the best he can.

Completely agree. The Air Raid has some great concepts...and the ones that have been able to expand on it, modernize it, inject some balance, and add some tempo, have been able to turn it into a really tough offense to defend. The old Leach version at its core, is just no longer effective as it was. Like most things, it needs to evolve.

[Desoto1967]

So when is the AD coming?

[msstate7]

So when is the AD coming?

We're not hiring one to maintain "continuity"

[msstate7]

I don't even know why we spending all this energy to argue about KB. This is like the really highly rated recruit/transfer that we seemingly have gotten in very strong the day before he makes his decision. We all get carried away, but he never chooses us in the end

[CadaverDawg]

I swear some of you...who do you suggest as the OC that stays close to Leach? Besides Hatcher, who still will revamp the running game and has his QB running zone read over 100 times a year, he may be the closest to Leach style wise and he would change the scheme a lot. All the air raid guys will be different. Briles, Littrell, Riley, Holgerson, etc. No matter who you suggest it was going to have to be different from.Leach. But please tell me who's the best option because from where I'm looking, Briles is a damn good option under this umbrella. I like Littrell too but if he sees running as a better option he will run but is very adaptive. Briles has run veer read RPO's which Will can run, if this only about Will staying at QB. I'm not sure what y'all want without putting up someone for comparison

This. And I think you nailed it with the Rogers comment. People need to start putting their loyalty to State over their loyalty to a coach or player. Bottom line, even if Will was an actual good QB, he could leave State if the NIL or Title odds benefited him. No longer can you cater your coordinator choices to a certain guy or group of guys...loyalty is gone. Bottom line, you find the guy that is going to make us better...even if it means some guys leave and we have to grab new ones.

That being said, the Briles concerns really have me scratching my head....because he is actually a perfect fit for our current personnel, AND he has always improved the offense where he's been. What In the world do these people want?

[CadaverDawg]

We're not hiring one to maintain "continuity"

I laughed

[KOdawg1]

People need to start putting their loyalty to State over their loyalty to a coach or player.

Or an offensive system.

[CadaverDawg]

Or an offensive system.

Yep

[msu15]

BOOM!

Just weird and sad

[TrapGame]

I don't get the Briles hate. It's like they consider him to be Dan Enos or something. Briles has a solid resume. Getting him would be a home run hire. Getting him and KJ from the portal would be a grand slam hire.

[gtowndawg]

Boy this thread has it all, haha!

Good old fashioned debate and disagreement.....flexing on who attends more games (as if that makes someone smarter).....flexing on who has better connections.....C34 flex....C34 bash....Todd going all in on continuity and maintaining the air raid....me agreeing with Quars (again! Wtf?)....msstate7 saying not to cherry pick stats.....people acting like Briles is a downgrade....people acting like Bumphis is a downgrade.....

I'm entertained. Best thread in a while. Kudos to the chef

https://media.tenor.com/JNROTOuADA0AAAAC/gladiator-russell-crowe.gif

[yjnkdawg]

DELETE

[Goldendawg]

It's pretty plain to see. Arkansas has scored more and been more explosive than we have. The Leach Air Raid is a ball control offense and even Leach said it. I would love to see us evolve into a more modern version and I honestly believe even Leach saw this and was trending that way. I don't want to see us go all power spread or anything but there's nothing wrong with tweaking what we have and getting better. In this day and age you have to have a succesful passing game to win consistently but that doesn't mean you have to throw it 60 times a game. I'm all for evolving the offense and I guarantee you Coach Arnett is extremely interested in making us the best he can.

This. Now get a good OC asap. Hail State!

[HancockCountyDog]

Briles is the OC that if you hate him, you can point to games like Liberty, MSU, A&M, or LSU - if you like him you talk about the ole miss, Bama, BYU or AU games.

I think it is safe to say that if he is the hire, that he will have to tweak his offense some since he has had a running QB element to his offense for a while now.

Going all the way back to Houston, he has coached a mobile QB. Hell he ran Felipe Franks over 100 times back in 2020.

I think it is a great hire, but I think a portal QB to at least compete for the starting job would be an absolute requirement.

[yjnkdawg]

I don't get the Briles hate. It's like they consider him to be Dan Enos or something. Briles has a solid resume. Getting him would be a home run hire. Getting him and KJ from the portal would be a grand slam hire.

Some think our players can't adjust to his offense for some reason and they think CZA is not doing what he said he was going to do concerning the offense we would run. :rolleyes:

[yjnkdawg]

It's pretty plain to see. Arkansas has scored more and been more explosive than we have. The Leach Air Raid is a ball control offense and even Leach said it. I would love to see us evolve into a more modern version and I honestly believe even Leach saw this and was trending that way. I don't want to see us go all power spread or anything but there's nothing wrong with tweaking what we have and getting better. In this day and age you have to have a succesful passing game to win consistently but that doesn't mean you have to throw it 60 times a game. I'm all for evolving the offense and I guarantee you Coach Arnett is extremely interested in making us the best he can.


Locke and Parson

[Leroy Jenkins]

Briles and Odom both extended last year at Arkansas. Briles for 1.2mm, Odom for 1.75mm. If UNLV can buyout Odom, MSU can buyout Briles.

[Commercecomet24]

Locke and Parson

Yep.

[Johnson85]

Briles and Odom both extended last year at Arkansas. Briles for 1.2mm, Odom for 1.75mm. If UNLV can buyout Odom, MSU can buyout Briles.

I may have just made this up, but I thought it was standard for the buyout of coordinators to not apply if they were leaving for a head coach position?

[Bdawg]

They scored 13 vs LSU and won without their starting QB. They also scored 26 vs Bama, 42 vs OM, 55 vs Kansas, 44 vs USCe, 41 vs Auburn, 31 vs Cincinnati, and 52 vs BYU. They averaged 24.3 vs ranked opponents we averaged 13.7

People just arguing to argue now. Painted themselves in a corner and now just standing their ground. He may be great for us or he may not. Heck we don?t even know if he?s coming! But judging by stats and his history, we could do a LOT worse. There is a reason Arnett is going after him.

[BrunswickDawg]

Boy this thread has it all, haha!

Good old fashioned debate and disagreement.....flexing on who attends more games (as if that makes someone smarter).....flexing on who has better connections.....C34 flex....C34 bash....Todd going all in on continuity and maintaining the air raid....me agreeing with Quars (again! Wtf?)....msstate7 saying not to cherry pick stats.....people acting like Briles is a downgrade....people acting like Bumphis is a downgrade.....

I'm entertained. Best thread in a while. Kudos to the chef

Careful, don't want MS7 to hurt himself

https://media.tenor.com/3gW3T6QscWsAAAAM/barry-horowitz-tap-back.gif

[mo7888]

It's pretty plain to see. Arkansas has scored more and been more explosive than we have. The Leach Air Raid is a ball control offense and even Leach said it. I would love to see us evolve into a more modern version and I honestly believe even Leach saw this and was trending that way. I don't want to see us go all power spread or anything but there's nothing wrong with tweaking what we have and getting better. In this day and age you have to have a succesful passing game to win consistently but that doesn't mean you have to throw it 60 times a game. I'm all for evolving the offense and I guarantee you Coach Arnett is extremely interested in making us the best he can.

This

[mo7888]

Locke and Parson

Exactly

[Leroy Jenkins]

I may have just made this up, but I thought it was standard for the buyout of coordinators to not apply if they were leaving for a head coach position?

Plausible.

[Desoto1967]

Briles is with Jimmy Sexton. Is he trying for a bigger payday from UPig?

[PikeDawg15]

Briles is with Jimmy Sexton. Is he trying for a bigger payday from UPig?

I?m scared this may be it but credible people are believing so

[Cooterpoot]

I won't believe anything until Bert Stare confirms it!

[ZedFedder]

I won't believe anything until Bert Stare confirms it!

THIS

[bigplayslay]

I've always thought a DC would know exactly what kind of offense he would want to run because he knows which offenses are the hardest to prepare for and stop. Probably oversimplifying but that has to play into the equation.

I don't think this is an oversimplification at all and based on Rosebowl's post on 247 it's actually pretty accurate.

[CadaverDawg]

I won't believe anything until Bert Stare confirms it!

https://media1.giphy.com/media/MtmFbGJ6YsUEg/giphy.gif

[Dawgface]

Ok Bert.....who's it going to be?

[Quaoarsking]

Ok Bert.....who's it going to be?

Ken Niumatalolo

[TrapGame]

Saw some chatter on a Hog board talking about Briles getting pissed that Pittman's poking his nose in the play calling. Supposedly Pittman overruled Briles on some play calls that totally blew up in his face.

[CadaverDawg]

Saw some chatter on a Hog board talking about Briles getting pissed that Pittman's poking his nose in the play calling. Supposedly Pittman overruled Briles on some play calls that totally blew up in his face.

Pittman just wants to get done and get him an ol col beer, do not slander that man.*

[CadaverDawg]

Seriously though, I'm ready to hear some OC and AD news. Specifically OC. Any idea when we will know something? We need it

[BeardoMSU]

Seriously though, I'm ready to hear some OC and AD news. Specifically OC. Any idea when we will know something? We need it

This. At page #19, let's get to some actual news...

[CadaverDawg]

This. At page #19, let's get to some actual news...

I'm ready. Whether it's Briles or not. Let's have some news.

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[sandjunky]

19 is a great number though

[MrCoachKlein]

I won't believe anything until Bert Stare confirms it!

https://i.imgflip.com/769qt9.jpg

[KOdawg1]

ED hasn't had a thread this lively in awhile.

Good to see things pick back up with half of us hating each other!

[CadaverDawg]

ED hasn't had a thread this lively in awhile.

Good to see things pick back up with half of us hating each other!

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[BuckyIsAB****]

I don't want him "gone", I want him to compete but get beat out by a superior player. Will made 2 terrible INT's this game, made no throw that made you go "wow", and we all know his mobility is sub par. You cannot argue ANY of what I said. There are better QBs out there and I want ot get them. Same for any position, if we can upgrade you do.

But I do not want him "gone". He is a Dawg and a good person and I wish him the best. If he is our QB next year I hope he improves his decision making. He's regressed from last year

So one ball got tipped and picked, and the other was on 3rd and long. Shouldnt have thrown it but it worked out like a punt. Not a game losing deal. Definitely not as stupid as what Shawn Preston did on 3rd down but we dont have threads about finding his replacement. He made more throws on the run in the bowl than he has had to all year.

[KOdawg1]

Took about 30 hours but the excuse train has arrived.

[BuckyIsAB****]

It fit us with Fitzgerald maybe. Will? No. People will bait us on RPO's to make him run. It's going to be asking Will to throw vertically a lot.

There's a huge difference between Hendon Hooker and Will.

Nobody throws a true vertical route off of RPO. You dont have time. Will can throw the glance off of RPO as good as anyone. We will be fine. There is a difference in a play action pass and a RPO

[BuckyIsAB****]

Arnett wants the offense to change. He doesnt want 50 passes per game. I know this for a fact

Nobody with any sense wants that

[Tough Dawg]

Ball was not tipped.

[Really Clark?]

So one ball got tipped and picked, and the other was on 3rd and long. Shouldnt have thrown it but it worked out like a punt. Not a game losing deal. Definitely not as stupid as what Shawn Preston did on 3rd down but we dont have threads about finding his replacement. He made more throws on the run in the bowl than he has had to all year.

Doesn't matter if it was tipped or not he made a bad read that was looking to be picked either way. He didn't see them run that zone at the goal. However, he and the coaches made a great adjustment later in the game for the TD beating that same zone throwing to the back of the end zone.

[Goldendawg]

Seriously though, I'm ready to hear some OC and AD news. Specifically OC. Any idea when we will know something? We need it

Heck, I like Bracky much better than Cohen even in these recent circumstances.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ball was not tipped.

The pass in the red zone was 10000 percent tipped. No point in arguing.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Doesn't matter if it was tipped or not he made a bad read that was looking to be picked either way. He didn't see them run that zone at the goal. However, he and the coaches made a great adjustment later in the game for the TD beating that same zone throwing to the back of the end zone.

He was throwing the stick to Walley. Like we have done a lot in the red zone. The DE tipped it. It happens. They made a play. They were one of the better defenses in their league

[Quaoarsking]

The pass in the red zone was 10000 percent tipped. No point in arguing.

Who cares though?

[BuckyIsAB****]

I knew we were bad against ranked opponents because of our QB play. Didn’t realize it was that bad.

Leach and Will won more games against ranked opponents than just about any other coach we have ever had in 3 years. You guys are laughable at times

[Bubb Rubb]

He was throwing the stick to Walley. Like we have done a lot in the red zone. The DE tipped it. It happens. They made a play. They were one of the better defenses in their league

Tipped passes are 100% on the QB. Will had a handful yesterday and several this season. He stares down receivers instead of looking them off and that's what happens when you do that. It's a problem.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Who cares though?

Apparently whoever said it wasnt tipped cares?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Tipped passes are 100% on the QB. Will had a handful yesterday and several this season. He stares down receivers instead of looking them off and that's what happens when you do that. It's a problem.

Ok. When you figure out how to stop passes getting knocked down at the line of scrimmage let our offensive coaches know and we will get it fixed. Andy Reid would like to know too.

[Quaoarsking]

Apparently whoever said it wasnt tipped cares?

Either way it was a bad pass from Rogers. It's on the QB not to throw tippable passes.

However, it doesn't invalidate the fact that Rogers has had a solid (though unspectacular) career for us.

[BuckyIsAB****]

What rebuild? Most of the players outside Will Rogers want a change in offense. We were really close to losing both RBs and two more WRs to the portal. Players weren't happy with things. This offense was not good this year. Our defense won most games.

Nobody wanted to run the ball more than Will. And when we did run it you can thank him for it.

[Coach34]

Bucky- Will is a solid smart college QB. Great young man. He lacks arm strength. He lacks escapability. He is by definition a system QB.

It is what it is

[BuckyIsAB****]

Either way it was a bad pass from Rogers. It's on the QB not to throw tippable passes.

However, it doesn't invalidate the fact that Rogers has had a solid (though unspectacular) career for us.

I disagree. Its simple physics really and math. We threw it more than anyone. More opportunities for there to be batted down. If you throw a ball and I put my hand up and it hits my hand it really doesnt have a lot to do with you. Especially when there is 3-4 other guys trying to do the same thing I am

[Really Clark?]

He was throwing the stick to Walley. Like we have done a lot in the red zone. The DE tipped it. It happens. They made a play. They were one of the better defenses in their league

You beat that zone at the back of the end zone. Which means a higher trajectory that doesn't get tipped. Which we corrected later in the game. I don't really care about the second INT, he was trying to push something down field on a jump ball. We lost it but was like a short punt anyway.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bucky- Will is a solid smart college QB. Great young man. He lacks arm strength. He lacks escapability. He is by definition a system QB.

It is what it is

There has never been a perfect QB. He is better than the vast majority of QBs in our history. You have no idea what system he can run. He will be fine if we want to RPO it. No decent coach would ask him to pull it and run like Dart. But he can pull it and throw a glance or a bubble and be fine. He has done it a lot.

It just is what it is

[KOdawg1]

There has never been a perfect QB. He is better than the vast majority of QBs in our history. You have no idea what system he can run. He will be fine if we want to RPO it. No decent coach would ask him to pull it and run like Dart. But he can pull it and throw a glance or a bubble and be fine. He has done it a lot.

It just is what it is

As a certified Will hater, I will say that I think Briles could help Will by simplifying things. Leach called the formations, and it was Will who called the plays. Briles would call the plays which would allow Will to not have to solve a calculus equation before every snap.

Get the play, snap it, and go. Less thinking = more efficient.

His lack of mobility won't be ideal, but Briles has worked with immobile QBs before and had some success.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Took about 30 hours but the excuse train has arrived.

Change excuse to truth and youd be accurate. Sorry I was at the game and enjoying life. Hope you are too

[Tater]

Bucky- Will is a solid smart college QB. Great young man. He lacks arm strength. He lacks escapability. He is by definition a system QB.

It is what it is
Bucky needs to look in the mirror when you and I have the same exact opinion of Will.

[KOdawg1]

Change excuse to truth and youd be accurate. Sorry I was at the game and enjoying life. Hope you are too
All good here brother

[BuckyIsAB****]

As a certified Will hater, I will say that I think Briles could help Will by simplifying things. Leach called the formations, and it was Will who called the plays. Briles would call the plays which would allow Will to not have to solve a calculus equation before every snap.

Get the play, snap it, and go. Less thinking = more efficient.

His lack of mobility won't be ideal, but Briles has worked with immobile QBs before and had some success.

Agree. Will ran a RPO based system in HS with air raid drop back passes and progressions. He will be fine. It will help all of us. I love Leach to death but throwing it 60 plays in a row is impossible

[CadaverDawg]

Bucky be like.....

https://i.imgflip.com/76a711.jpg

[Really Clark?]

Bucky needs to look in the mirror when you and I have the same exact opinion of Will.

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[BuckyIsAB****]

Bucky be like.....

https://i.imgflip.com/76a711.jpg

You got me. Put Kiffin on there and it would get you too. Im shocked you have the nuts to put the egg score on your posts

[msstate7]

I say no way we getting KB. Fool me once (Schlossnagle), fool me twice (Napier), and you almost got me 3 times (briles), but nope, never happen

[BuckyIsAB****]

I say no way we getting KB. Fool me once (Schlossnagle), fool me twice (Napier), and you almost got me 3 times (briles), but nope, never happen

We dont have a TE/H on the roster. And we are going to need more than one so the portal isnt going to be the easy fix. We need a legit WR too

[msstate7]

We dont have a TE/H on the roster. And we are going to need more than one so the portal isnt going to be the easy fix. We need a legit WR too

We'll most likely need a te no matter the hire. Very few coaches don't have them

[Really Clark?]

We dont have a TE/H on the roster. And we are going to need more than one so the portal isnt going to be the easy fix. We need a legit WR too

There are still some good TE's in the portal though.

[BuckyIsAB****]

There are still some good TE's in the portal though.

How many spots are you going to take when we have other needs? You arent gonna get a current WR to want to play it. They will haul ass in a heartbeat unless they are special

[Bdawg]

All this talk about Briles, but no one knows for sure. Has everything died on Littrell or Hatcher? Are there other names out there?

[Bdawg]

How many spots are you going to take when we have other needs? You arent gonna get a current WR to want to play it. They will haul ass in a heartbeat unless they are special

Don?t we have one guy on the roster that could maybe slide there?

[RisperDawg]

Don?t we have one guy on the roster that could maybe slide there?

Someone suggested Antonio Harmon the other day. 6'4", 205 lbs. Seems reasonable to me.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Don?t we have one guy on the roster that could maybe slide there?

Who

[BuckyIsAB****]

Someone suggested Antonio Harmon the other day. 6'4", 205 lbs. Seems reasonable to me.

Good luck

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Briles will make Will better by simply taking the pressure off of him and allow others to make plays.

[yjnkdawg]

All this talk about Briles, but no one knows for sure. Has everything died on Littrell or Hatcher? Are there other names out there?

Yep

[CadaverDawg]

You got me. Put Kiffin on there and it would get you too. Im shocked you have the nuts to put the egg score on your posts

Lighten up, Francis, I'm just messing with ya lol

[Bubb Rubb]

Ok. When you figure out how to stop passes getting knocked down at the line of scrimmage let our offensive coaches know and we will get it fixed. Andy Reid would like to know too.

You could probably just say "I don't know what I'm talking about" and save a few keystrokes.

[Anonymous]

I know how Hevesey did it, if a DL throws a hand up you do your damnedest to break his ribs.

[Bdawg]

Good luck

Maybe it was Harmon, but I thought he was more than 205.

[Bdawg]

Yep

Well crap. Is it Briles or back to the drawing board?

[DownwardDawg]

Well crap. Is it Briles or back to the drawing board?

Only for the message board heroes. We don't know shit!!!! Briles probably isn't even a candidate.

[yjnkdawg]

Well crap. Is it Briles or back to the drawing board?

It's Briles if he accepts MSU's offer.

[Todd4State]

Nobody throws a true vertical route off of RPO. You dont have time. Will can throw the glance off of RPO as good as anyone. We will be fine. There is a difference in a play action pass and a RPO

What I was saying is he is going to be asked to throw it vertically more in general. Probably wasn't clear on my part.

I enjoy your thoughts.

[Todd4State]

Doesn't matter if it was tipped or not he made a bad read that was looking to be picked either way. He didn't see them run that zone at the goal. However, he and the coaches made a great adjustment later in the game for the TD beating that same zone throwing to the back of the end zone.

Ummmm....Walley was literally standing there by himself. If that ball isn't tipped he walks in.

[Really Clark?]

Ummmm....Walley was literally standing there by himself. If that ball isn't tipped he walks in.

There are 3 defenders right there inside of 4 yards and he was on the 5 yard line when he could have caught the ball, he doesn't score. But if you read down this thread I explained it more. It doesn't matter if it's tipped or not as it was the wrong read even if he was throwing to Walley. To beat that zone you throw over the zone at the back of the end zone like we did later in the game. That ball doesn't get tipped and it's the correct read and play call. It's not like Illinois didn't bait him into it, great job on how they disguise that and great job on Will and the coaches to adjust later.

[Reason2succeed]

Don?t we have one guy on the roster that could maybe slide there?

Jacarius Clayton is 6?6? and was recruited as an TE/OL out of Tupelo. He?s playing DL right now. Find out if he can still catch and run routes. Playing DL should have helped his run and pass blocking.

[Anonymous]

The Arkansas boards think he's ours for the taking. And no, they aren't happy about it.

Which boards? All I?m seeing is ?pay him whatever it takes?.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You could probably just say "I don't know what I'm talking about" and save a few keystrokes.

I have been around a lot of good coaches and not one of them have ever put a whole lot of thought into how to stop DL from batting passes down and then figuring out how to blame one player for it

[Todd4State]

There are 3 defenders right there inside of 4 yards and he was on the 5 yard line when he could have caught the ball, he doesn't score. But if you read down this thread I explained it more. It doesn't matter if it's tipped or not as it was the wrong read even if he was throwing to Walley. To beat that zone you throw over the zone at the back of the end zone like we did later in the game. That ball doesn't get tipped and it's the correct read and play call. It's not like Illinois didn't bait him into it, great job on how they disguise that and great job on Will and the coaches to adjust later.

If a guy is open like that the QB is supposed to throw it to him. You can't say a QB made the wrong read on a ball that's tipped. LOL.

[Really Clark?]

If a guy is open like that the QB is supposed to throw it to him. You can't say a QB made the wrong read on a ball that's tipped. LOL.

It's the wrong read Todd. Heck when I got back and watched the game they literally discussed this zone and how many interceptions the get in red zone from it right before the pick. They even discussed you beat it throwing to back of the end zone. It was literally discussed during the game by the announcers. The read, with time which he had, was to throw up at the back of the end zone. Just like we did for the 4th down touchdown. The check down, even if not tipped, is not where he should have been looking once that zone is recognized. He didn't, Illinois is great about disguising but it's not where you want to go with the ball. Throwing it away is also a good option. Completing it to Walley for no or min gain was the absolute best outcome he could have hope for but you have 3 defenders there with 2 receivers. He should have come off of it as soon as he saw the zone line. It's in their scouting report. Again, Illinois does a great job with it and baiting you into throwing the ball where they want you too. We picked it up beautifully later in the game.

[dawggrad08]

If a guy is open like that the QB is supposed to throw it to him. You can't say a QB made the wrong read on a ball that's tipped. LOL.

Sure you can, bc object of the play on that down and distance is to score. Him throwing the ball in front goal line hoping Walley makes 3 guys miss, is the defense winning the rep. To win the rep he's got to find the weak spot and win the rep. He took the easy way out

[StateDawg44]

Sure you can, bc object of the play on that down and distance is to score. Him throwing the ball in front goal line hoping Walley makes 3 guys miss, is the defense winning the rep. To win the rep he's got to find the weak spot and win the rep. He took the easy way out

It's so simple to do... ya know.***

[TrapGame]

Which boards? All I?m seeing is ?pay him whatever it takes?.

There are quite a few posters on 247 and Hogville that aren't Briles' fans. They are blaming him for their shitty season.

And if they want to keep him they will have to pony up north of $2 million.

[RiverCityDawg]

It's the wrong read Todd. Heck when I got back and watched the game they literally discussed this zone and how many interceptions the get in red zone from it right before the pick. They even discussed you beat it throwing to back of the end zone. It was literally discussed during the game by the announcers. The read, with time which he had, was to throw up at the back of the end zone. Just like we did for the 4th down touchdown. The check down, even if not tipped, is not where he should have been looking once that zone is recognized. He didn't, Illinois is great about disguising but it's not where you want to go with the ball. Throwing it away is also a good option. Completing it to Walley for no or min gain was the absolute best outcome he could have hope for but you have 3 defenders there with 2 receivers. He should have come off of it as soon as he saw the zone line. It's in their scouting report. Again, Illinois does a great job with it and baiting you into throwing the ball where they want you too. We picked it up beautifully later in the game.

The announcer didn't see that the ball was deflected and was wrong, and your post is entirely incorrect.

Walley ran a stick route and was open. The stick is not the check down on that play. We've run that a hundred times, usually to Williams from that side, and it is most successful against zone.

The defender stayed back and Tulu was covered, so Walley was open. The correct read was made, but the ball was deflected and redirected. It was first down, so while it was short of the goal line, it would have set up 2nd and 3, maybe closer, or it could have been a TD if Walley could have broken a tackle or two.

[Really Clark?]

The announcer didn't see that the ball was deflected and was wrong, and your post is entirely incorrect.

Walley ran a stick route and was open. The stick is not the check down on that play. We've run that a hundred times, usually to Williams from that side, and it is most successful against zone.

The defender stayed back and Tulu was covered, so Walley was open. The correct read was made, but the ball was deflected and redirected. It was first down, so while it was short of the goal line, it would have set up 2nd and 3, maybe closer, or it could have been a TD if Walley could have broken a tackle or two.

No I'm not. I started my original post stating it doesn't matter if it's tipped or not. Going in that direction short or at the goal is what the defense want you to do. I did mistype check down, you are correct it's the stick route. And he took the snap and went straight in that direction without reading what happened. But the announcers literally discussed that zone as the play was happening. Later it was discussed to beat that zone you throw at the back. The best option was to come off of both of receivers to his left and look elsewhere or throw it away. With it being first down that was more than acceptable. Easier said than done I know, doesn't make it the correct read. Again, Illinois great job disguising it and we did a great job beating it later.

I mean I'm not even a Will hater and defended him multiple times on here. It was still the wrong read.

ETA. I mean Spurrier is literally discussing the read on the bench with him right after that play.

[Cowbell]

Bucky - if Will plays like he did the last two games all if next year, how many games are we gonna win?

[Maverick91]

There are quite a few posters on 247 and Hogville that aren't Briles' fans. They are blaming him for their shitty season.

And if they want to keep him they will have to pony up north of $2 million.

Im sorry but I just dont see him being worth 2 million? What is he bringing to the table that makes him worth $5,479.45 per day and $166,666.66 per game?

[TrapGame]

Im sorry but I just dont see him being worth 2 million? What is he bringing to the table that makes him worth $5,479.45 per day and $166,666.66 per game?

That's a good question for Zach Arnett because he's his number one target.

[Bdawg]

I have been around a lot of good coaches and not one of them have ever put a whole lot of thought into how to stop DL from batting passes down and then figuring out how to blame one player for it

Yes. Who knows which way a DL will go on snap, too. Last time I checked, QBs don’t read where DLmen are. They are looking downfield. The only way I know of coaches combatting that problem is recruiting and drafting tall QBs. Just one reason why NFL goes through all those measurements.

[Really Clark?]

Im sorry but I just dont see him being worth 2 million? What is he bringing to the table that makes him worth $5,479.45 per day and $166,666.66 per game?

I tend to agree but I also think a lot of P5 coaches are paid too much. Haha. That being said to pull a SEC sitting coordinator who is considered a very good coordinator here, it will cost us a lot to get that deal done.

[Bdawg]

Im sorry but I just dont see him being worth 2 million? What is he bringing to the table that makes him worth $5,479.45 per day and $166,666.66 per game?

Next year if we win 9-10, well worth it. If we win 7, not worth it. But that also depends on how well the O has performed. I believe it will be on the O to improve, because I feel the D will be the same.

[msstate7]

Im sorry but I just dont see him being worth 2 million? What is he bringing to the table that makes him worth $5,479.45 per day and $166,666.66 per game?

So if we go with someone for 1M, would he be worth $2,739.73 a day or $83,333 a game?

Coaches' salaries are ridiculous, but you gotta pay it to compete

[Quaoarsking]

If Briles wins 1 game next year that we wouldn't have with a different OC, then he's easily worth $2M

[Johnson85]

If Briles wins 1 game next year that we wouldn't have with a different OC, then he's easily worth $2M

I think it depends on what number that extra win is. If we win 11 with him and 10 without, that $2M is a bargain b/c that's probably the difference between playoffs or not. Same if it gets us from 9 to 10 wins, b/c that probably is the difference between NY6 or not. Also if the difference is between 5 and 6 wins. Not sure about 6 to 7 wins or 7 to 8 wins. I think 8 to 9 it's still a good deal.

[Maverick91]

That's a good question for Zach Arnett because he's his number one target.

Lol agreed! Ill just give him a quick ring. Be back in a second.

Edit: so I just got off the phone with Zach. He wanted me to tell you all happy new year and you guys suck. I laughed, he laughed it was great. I asked why he thinks Kendal is worth 2mill and he said because he made 1.1 mill in 2021 so we have to bump him a good bit to pull him. He paused and then said, because I want to pay him that salary and then hung the phone up while saying HAILSTATE.

[Maverick91]

So if we go with someone for 1M, would he be worth $2,739.73 a day or $83,333 a game?

Coaches' salaries are ridiculous, but you gotta pay it to compete

You and I agree �� my issue is Im trying to understand if that is his true value. I just dont see it. I think I also might be a little gun shy to revert back to a mullenesk offense.

[mo7888]

If we're spending $2M on an OC we should approach Kittley or Riley first... or at least go after them if Briles stays in Arkansas...

[memsu06]

We may have found the secret to competing with limited budget compared to others.

Have well paid assistants with experience.

May lead to more turnover when they leave for head coaching jobs, but we'd be the place to come for getting the best assistants out there.

[TrapGame]

If we're spending $2M on an OC we should approach Kittley or Riley first... or at least go after them if Briles stays in Arkansas...

Kittley and Riley aren't coming. Rumor is Kittley turned down the interview request flat out. He's happy at TT. Riley ain't leaving TCU for us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kittley and Riley aren't coming. Rumor is Kittley turned down the interview request flat out. He's happy at TT. Riley ain't leaving TCU for us.

Kittley is not interested. Riley is not talking to anyone until after the championship. We cannot wait another week

[Cooterpoot]

OM just paid their HC $9MM and some of you cheap old asses want us to a Larry Templeton the shit out of this? Arnett wanted to be able to go get a big OC. He could've gotten paid more. We aren't paying big money on a DC. We're retooling our off-field staff. Arnett wants to 17ing win. He's not going to give a shit about candy corn, wedding protocol, or Geronimo.

[TheLostDawg]

OM just paid their HC $9MM and some of you cheap old asses want us to a Larry Templeton the shit out of this? Arnett wanted to be able to go get a big OC. He could've gotten paid more. We aren't paying big money on a DC. We're retooling our off-field staff. Arnett wants to 17ing win. He's not going to give a shit about candy corn, wedding protocol, or Geronimo.

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[Commercecomet24]

OM just paid their HC $9MM and some of you cheap old asses want us to a Larry Templeton the shit out of this? Arnett wanted to be able to go get a big OC. He could've gotten paid more. We aren't paying big money on a DC. We're retooling our off-field staff. Arnett wants to 17ing win. He's not going to give a shit about candy corn, wedding protocol, or Geronimo.

I feel ya! Arnett is a smart man! If you surround yourself with the best and win he will get paid! That's how the best in the world in every walk of life do it! When you're the leader you surround yourself with the best and you become very successful!