Crimedog to Cooperstown

[parabrave]

Elected by the Contemporary Committee, whatever the hell that is. But who cares he is in.

[Coach34]

I'm not a Braves fan but good grief- how is Dale Murphy not in? Ridiculous

[Todd4State]

Wonderful news!

[Goldendawg]

I thought you were talking about the career Asst, FB Coach from OM and AU.** Now remember, Fred McGriff.

[Cooterpoot]

Cooperstown sucks! Self-righteous bastards won't put the best players in.

[EdwardDrayton]

Love it. Was always one of my Brave favorites.

Will also never forget the day he was on the way to the Braves having been acquired from the Padres. That was the day the Braves press box caught on fire.

[EdwardDrayton]

I'm not a Braves fan but good grief- how is Dale Murphy not in? Ridiculous

Preach

[Johnson85]

Cooperstown sucks! Self-righteous bastards won't put the best players in.

Really is crazy that they turn the voting over to a bunch of self important nobodies that get their rocks off on having control over players that actually did things with their career.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Use to love mimicking McGriffs swing with the over-head wrap around finish

[BrunswickDawg]

Really is crazy that they turn the voting over to a bunch of self important nobodies that get their rocks off on having control over players that actually did things with their career.

You do realize that this selection committee was mostly HOF players, coaches, and front office people. Only 2 sport writers were involved.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2022/12/03/hall-fame-veterans-committee-voting-contemporary-baseball-ballot/10819344002/

[parabrave]

You do realize that this selection committee was mostly HOF players, coaches, and front office people. Only 2 sport writers were involved.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2022/12/03/hall-fame-veterans-committee-voting-contemporary-baseball-ballot/10819344002/

Including Greg Maddux.

[Todd4State]

McGriff getting in is good news for Will Clark IMO.

Clark has a higher WAR and similar or better career accomplishments over a career that lasted four fewer seasons.

I really think we're going to see Clark get some support in the coming years.

[Johnson85]

You do realize that this selection committee was mostly HOF players, coaches, and front office people. Only 2 sport writers were involved.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2022/12/03/hall-fame-veterans-committee-voting-contemporary-baseball-ballot/10819344002/

You realize that's the veterans committee (or era committee now or whatever they're called)? Not positive, but I think they can only vote on players that have been passed over by BBWAA for 15 years.

[msstate7]

I couldn't care less about the HOF until they put Andruw Jones in it

[shoeless joe]

Well deserved and I’m happy he’s in. He’s basically the exact opposite of a bonds or sosa and still put up elite of elite numbers.

Watching the highlights of his jays/padres/Braves days makes me miss those days of the MLB. Tough hard nose fun to watch baseball.

On a slight topic change: A lot of great black American baseball players back then as well. Just on the 93 Braves you had mcgriff, gant, justice, Pendleton, hunter, freeman, sanders, Nixon. I might have a hard time naming that many black American players in the whole league today.

[msu15]

I couldn't care less about the HOF until they put Andruw Jones in it

Not a hall of famer

[BrunswickDawg]

You realize that's the veterans committee (or era committee now or whatever they're called)? Not positive, but I think they can only vote on players that have been passed over by BBWAA for 15 years.

Right, which is how McGriff was considered. This was not the annual vote of the BBWAA, who ARE a bunch of hacks with agendas to grind.

[BrunswickDawg]

I couldn't care less about the HOF until they put Andruw Jones in it

Jones is a conundrum. I loved him. My Dad couldn't stand him. I think he got a bad rap because he made playing CF look SO easy that he looked lazy. That sounds weird but its the best way I could describe it.
But, from a stat view, he is similar to Murph, but also similar to Duke Snider and Gil Hodges. Which is one way of saying that the only way a Jones would be considered seriously would have been if he played his whole career in NY.

[msstate7]

Not a hall of famer

Best defensive cf of my lifetime.

67.0 fWAR
62.7 bWAR

[msstate7]

Jones is a conundrum. I loved him. My Dad couldn't stand him. I think he got a bad rap because he made playing CF look SO easy that he looked lazy. That sounds weird but its the best way I could describe it.
But, from a stat view, he is similar to Murph, but also similar to Duke Snider and Gil Hodges. Which is one way of saying that the only way a Jones would be considered seriously would have been if he played his whole career in NY.

My absolute favorite brave of all time. He made watching defense fun

[Johnson85]

Right, which is how McGriff was considered. This was not the annual vote of the BBWAA, who ARE a bunch of hacks with agendas to grind.

That's my point. Unless I misunderstand the voting process (which is certainly a decent possibility), he has to get rejected for by the hacks for years before the people with subject matter expertise can consider him. It seems crazy to have the primary voting done by hacks and then have the veterans committee "save" people that got screwed by the hacks. And how many undeserving people do the hacks put in? There's no fix for that (although maybe that's not really a problem).

[BrunswickDawg]

That's my point. Unless I misunderstand the voting process (which is certainly a decent possibility), he has to get rejected for by the hacks for years before the people with subject matter expertise can consider him. It seems crazy to have the primary voting done by hacks and then have the veterans committee "save" people that got screwed by the hacks. And how many undeserving people do the hacks put in? There's no fix for that (although maybe that's not really a problem).

Gotcha. And, yes the hacks are a problem. There are enough living HOF members who are pretty in-tune with the game - even if they are writers and broadcasters - let members vote on all of it. Get the writers out of it.

[RocketDawg]

I'm not a Braves fan but good grief- how is Dale Murphy not in? Ridiculous

Dale should have been in years ago, and yet he was passed over again this time. He was a really good player and even nicer guy that did a lot for MLB.

Who is Crimedog? Palmiero?

[msstate7]

Dale should have been in years ago, and yet he was passed over again this time. He was a really good player and even nicer guy that did a lot for MLB.

Who is Crimedog? Palmiero?

Fred McGriff