MSU vs Utah mens basketball

[NCMSTFAN]

Another big test today against Utah. They are 4-1 on the season with one loss against Sam Houston State, this same SHS team is 5-0 on the year with wins @Oklahoma and against Utah so don't let that loss fool you. We are still the more talented team and are picked to win. Utah does have some size and shooting, 3 of their guys who get playing time shoot above 40% from three so we will have to play good defense and close out on shooters. We are more tough and physical than they are so we will have to use that to our advantage.

I'm really hoping to see a better offensive game today, we know our defense it there, if we can get someone like Shak, DJ or Davis going more consistently on the offensive end along with Tolu we are top 25 team that no one would want to play.

[msstate7]

Gotta defend the 3 better tonight. We gave up a ton of open ones Monday

[KentuckyDawg13]

Utah's #55 will be a potential issue. Cam may have to be on him vs their PG.

Agree on being a big test. This Utah team is stout, so this will be a true test on our team's ability to defend multiple offenses. Davis and Reed provided the extra offense in the last game, who will it be this time?

[parabrave]

Gotta defend the 3 better tonight. We gave up a ton of open ones Monday

Gotta make Free Throws.

[tcdog70]

Gotta make Free Throws.

This^^^^. Not worried about defense

[NCMSTFAN]

Gotta make Free Throws.

Exactly.. make free throws and get Tolu some help offensively

[RocketDawg]

Should be a good, exciting game tonight with plenty of action. But we have to start making those free throws.

As I recall, Utah barely beat Georgia Tech Monday night.

[parabrave]

Marquette was pounding Ga Tech.

[msstate7]

Marquette was pounding Ga Tech.

41-23

Hopefully they finish the deal.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Got to double down on the tough defense for the full length of the court. Trap when possible.

[Goldendawg]

Gametime: 7:30 Central, FS1. 6-0, Here we go! Hail State!

[EdwardDrayton]

Is 7:30 EVER gonna get here?!!!? Let’s GO DAWGS!!

[msstate7]

LSU appears to be good as well

[RocketDawg]

Really good start for the Dogs. Trying a lot of 3s though.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I guess Utah dont foul?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Well we are just jacking shots. They are actually trying to drive to the basket.

We need to be tough on defense and take the ball to the rack, over and over again.

[EdwardDrayton]

Utah running somewhat of a pack line defense trying to take away dribble penetration. And we’re not making enough perimeter shots to pull them out of it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Absolutely Nasty Mathews.

[RocketDawg]

If we could make shots we'd be really tough. Defense is astounding though.

[MoreCowbell]

Love Matthews game

[civildawg]

We?ve had a lot of open 3 looks. I don?t mind taking wide open 3 shots. We need a shooter in the worst way though

[Lord McBuckethead]

If we shot 38% from 3 we would get to the final 4. 80% from free throw and 38% from 3.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can we start granny shooting 3s? Wide ass open, crotch it three times in a row.

[EdwardDrayton]

28% from the field, 18% from 3. Oof.

[LC Dawg]

Our guys are fun to watch even with their offensive struggles. I still hope someone will emerge as a shooter. Maybe Reed. His shot doesn't look bad.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Jans needs to tell these guys, when you are wide open, drive the damn ball in and draw a foul.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Jeffries came to play. If we can stop him from dribbling and doing a step back 3, dude will be money.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Every shooter on our team should be looking to do what Jeffries did on his last drive to the basket.

[mparkerfd20]

We are possibly the worst shooting team I've ever seen in my life.

[mparkerfd20]

Reed had 1 good game but overall he's not very good.

[RocketDawg]

We are possibly the worst shooting team I've ever seen in my life.

Utah is doing worse. Don't know about percentage but they don't shoot well at all.

[msstate7]

Can we score enough to be a top 5-6 sec team?

[EdwardDrayton]

Talk about a lid on the basket. Sheesh.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Up 4 at the half. Can?t really shoot it any worse.

[mparkerfd20]

That's the worst half of ball we've had since Howland and yet we're still up by 4. Things have changed.

[Lord McBuckethead]

You remember Rick Ray?s first year. Outside of Chicken, that team was rough.

[EdwardDrayton]

Utah is doing worse. Don't know about percentage but they don't shoot well at all.

Utah is affected by our defense. Ours is we can’t shoot.

[mparkerfd20]

Utah is doing worse. Don't know about percentage but they don't shoot well at all.

We were at 23.5% for the half. They were at 35%

[basedog]

Utah is doing worse. Don't know about percentage but they don't shoot well at all.

Because of defense intensity. What this does is creat turnovers which helps on the offensive side (more shots).

[Lord McBuckethead]

Dude, I think Jeffries is going to have a light bulb turn on. Dude needs to catch and shoot. If he did that, he would make 40% of his shots. I don?t know if I have seen him dribble and make a jumper yet this year.

[Goldendawg]

Up 4 at the half. Can?t really shoot it any worse.

One of these teams will shoot better in the second half. Hope it's us. Get the ball inside or drive. Stop jacking up threes.

[Saltydog]

Expect a lot of games like this all year. We may be the best defensive team in the league but we're likely the worst offensively. Every offensive possession is a struggle.

[ZedFedder]

Surely we shoot better in the second half……. Right?!

[smootness]

Can we score enough to be a top 5-6 sec team?

I’m skeptical. But we will be in every game.

[MoreCowbell]

You remember Rick Ray?s first year. Outside of Chicken, that team was rough.

Nah we had Fred Thomas too*

[EdwardDrayton]

We were at 23.5% for the half. They were at 35%

Utah has far fewer shots because of our defense

[IMissJack]

We are one of the ugliest shooting teams I?ve seen. Most outside shots are not even close. Not sure why we took 19 3 pt shots that half.

[parabrave]

19 3py ATTS. WTH.

[EdwardDrayton]

Just have to believe that one or two guys will find the stroke at some point.

[RocketDawg]

Surely we shoot better in the second half……. Right?!

We'd almost have to.

[EdwardDrayton]

19 3py ATTS. WTH.

The Utah defense is forcing a lot of those. But would like to see us get more aggressive with the dribble drive penetration. Cam found a lane and the defenders went brain dead and didn’t take it away. Go on the offensive and make them show they can draw the charge. If we draw the block all good.

[parabrave]

Qow we made a 3.

[NCMSTFAN]

I love our intensity and defense. But we are going to have to start scoring more points. Defense will win games and defense travels but at some point you can't stop the other team, your going to have to be able to score some

[parabrave]

The Utah defense is forcing a lot of those. But would like to see us get more aggressive with the dribble drive penetration. Cam found a lane and the defenders went brain dead and didn’t take it away. Go on the offensive and make them show they can draw the charge. If we draw the block all good.

Yep we got to drive. Draw the foul.

[msstate7]

We are an awful offensive team

[msstate7]

Jans is elite coaching D, but he isn't coaching O. Remember they were awful offensively vs ark in the tourney last year.

[Coach34]

We are coached well

We simply cant shoot. So many open looks have been missed

[msstate7]

Basically we jack a 3 or tolu gets a layup down low. We are pathetic offensively

[CaptainObvious]

I hope our student athletes on the basketball team are taking remedial courses because they dumb as rocks.

[msstate7]

We are coached well

We simply cant shoot. So many open looks have been missed

We've taken 43 shots and 24 of those are from 3. That is horrible for a team that can't shoot

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Isiah Moseley who we lost out on due to NIL scored 23 for Mizzou tonight

[EdwardDrayton]

Too early to fret. Still think somebody will find the stroke or we’ll find some lanes. Utah just on the upside of the ebb and flow at the moment.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yep we got to drive. Draw the foul.
Hard to do, when the defense has 4 bodies sitting still in the paint.

[Goldendawg]

Our offense reminds me of the "Air Raid" for about 2 1/2 quarters a game. Hard to watch. Drive to the basket!

[EdwardDrayton]

We are coached well

We simply cant shoot. So many open looks have been missed

This ^^^^^

[msstate7]

This ^^^^^

How can you justify over 50% of our shots being from 3? I love Jans, but that's horrible

[Lord McBuckethead]

Three guys standing with both feet in the paint for 20 straight seconds.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We justify it, because no one on our team can take someone off the dribble. And they have 4 guys standing in the paint.

[msstate7]

They're getting layups and we jacking 3s

[Lord McBuckethead]

Another wide open three, clank.

[parabrave]

We just need to drive every possession/ This will help out Tolu out cause he is getting assaulted down there.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Well, we are playing great, we just need cutters getting to the basket.

[msstate7]

Another wide open three, clank.

It's almost like we can't shoot 3s... maybe we shouldn't

[msstate7]

Great D that possession

[Lord McBuckethead]

I hate that camera angle, but it worked.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It's almost like we can't shoot 3s... maybe we shouldn't

That?s true. But man, wide wide wide open.

[msstate7]

4-26 from 3, and we still shooting em

[Lord McBuckethead]

I say put in the walk on dude Rumpf. He can make a three.

Davis says he wants the ball.

[Homedawg]

I like how hard this team plays. But I'll take .500 in the league right now. We can't score and it's only going to get tougher. Nit bid would be good. Ncaa would be a miracle.

[msstate7]

Jans is gonna have to do better on our offensive sets. Our whole offense is passing around the perimeter and jacking a 3

[Lord McBuckethead]

We have to drive immediately on the kick out pass. Look for the lob pass. Something.

[KOdawg1]

I'm convinced some dudes in the Sanderson could shoot better than us.

[RocketDawg]

Three guys standing with both feet in the paint for 20 straight seconds.

I've not seen a paint violation called in a long time. I think the last was in a women's game last year.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I want 6-0. Whatever we got to do.

[msstate7]

I'm convinced some dudes in the Sanderson could shoot better than us.

We can't shoot. This fact is why I'm pissed that we settle for so many 3s. Jans is unbelievable coaching D, but his O coaching is bad right now, real bad

[Lord McBuckethead]

Dude just hit a fade away 3 in the corner. We can?t hit dead wide ass open from the elbow.

[msstate7]

Draw up a 3, coach. We 5-28, so we can shoot

[Lord McBuckethead]

Imagine this team if Iverson Molinar and DJ Stewart were still here.

[KOdawg1]

Start driving. Draw fouls. It won't lead to points every time, but it will lead to more than we're getting now.

We're physical as hell on defense, but we're too soft on the other end. If we're going to be physical, be physical.

[Thick]

Shakeel Moore needs to get his shit together. He?s play has been horrific these last couple of games?particularly on the offensive end.

[msstate7]

Start driving. Draw fouls. It won't lead to points every time, but it will lead to more than we're getting now.

We're physical as hell on defense, but we're too soft on the other end. If we're going to be physical, be physical.

Looks like we coaching max effort on D, and just rest on O

[Lord McBuckethead]

Are you shiting me, we haven?t even attempted a 2 pt shot in the 2nd half?

[RocketDawg]

That was a good block.

[msstate7]

We hit the shot, but I hate that play

[PendingTransaction]

Jans is gonna have to do better on our offensive sets. Our whole offense is passing around the perimeter and jacking a 3

Exactly! No screens or cuts.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Good job Jeffries.

[parabrave]

There we go DJ. Good drive and draws the foul/

[msstate7]

Thank you, DJ. stop settling for 3s

[Lord McBuckethead]

If we can somehow get the lead back, we may win this game. Utah is due up for some turnovers. Mathews comes back in and we will force them.

[parabrave]

Shakeel Moore needs to get his shit together. He?s play has been horrific these last couple of games?particularly on the offensive end.

He was like that last year. He would've have a great year then disappear for a weeks.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Did Mathews tweak the groin on that BS charge call?

[KOdawg1]

We weathered the storm. Now go take the game

[msstate7]

As pissed as I am about our offense this game, we still have a good shot at winning... that's really encouraging to me

[RocketDawg]

Tolu's free throw shooting is horrible.

[msstate7]

Could any player on this team beat me at horse?

[parabrave]

Dam both of these teams are sucking.

[msstate7]

Can we not put 4 guys on perimeter with smith down low?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Tied game.

[ZedFedder]

If we somehow win this game…

[parabrave]

SM needs to get some rest.

[msstate7]

All these 3s are on Jans. He has to put a red light on this

[msstate7]

I don't think we can score 3 more

[msstate7]

2 more 3s

[Lord McBuckethead]

Drive the 17n basket.

[BeardoMSU]

Is this the basketball equivalent of the air-raid?***

[msstate7]

Another 3

[EdwardDrayton]

Alex, I’d like to buy a bucket for two hundred.

[msstate7]

We have a preseason all sec c/f and no 2-pt shots this half. That's horrible

[msstate7]

Good foul. Get the rebound next time though

[Lord McBuckethead]

All these 3s are on Jans. He has to put a red light on this

Davis is the only one with the green light from here on out. That should be made very clear to the team. But we know Reed and Jeffries will shoot atleast 5 more this game.

[msstate7]

If we somehow win this game, we may be a team of destiny. We should be down 15

[Saltydog]

Another big test today against Utah. They are 4-1 on the season with one loss against Sam Houston State, this same SHS team is 5-0 on the year with wins @Oklahoma and against Utah so don't let that loss fool you. We are still the more talented team and are picked to win. Utah does have some size and shooting, 3 of their guys who get playing time shoot above 40% from three so we will have to play good defense and close out on shooters. We are more tough and physical than they are so we will have to use that to our advantage.

I'm really hoping to see a better offensive game today, we know our defense it there, if we can get someone like Shak, DJ or Davis going more consistently on the offensive end along with Tolu we are top 25 team that no one would want to play.

This is excruciating to watch......We're gonna have to win ugly games if we're gonna win at all........

[Lord McBuckethead]

They have 4 guys on him. And we do have two 2pt shots. Tolu getting blocked into the stands and Jeffries finding the rim right there.

[HoopsDawg]

Reed is 1-11 from 3. Shak is 0-10 from the field. Those are our 2 guards.

[Political Hack]

I'm a "never tell your guys to stop shooting" believer. It's hard to watch. We're terrible from behind the arc.

That said, this is the most well coached team I've seen at State since the best years of Richard Williams (credit to his assistants as much as him). But we play defense. For real. We're smart. We press when we can set it up and eat up the shot clock, we take open shots, everybody on the floor can handle the ball, we don't take unnecessary risk on defense even though we pressure the ball a lot, we don't allow a lot of transition points, etc... this team is going to win a lot of games.

Not sure how this one will fall, but it's going to be a good season. Y'all get those NIL checkbooks ready and go get Jans a few dudes!

[msstate7]

This is excruciating to watch......We're gonna have to win ugly games if we're gonna win at all........

We are not a good shooting team, but surely to God, we aren't this bad

[Commercecomet24]

I'm a "never tell your guys to stop shooting" believer. It's hard to watch. We're terrible from behind the arc.

That said, this is the most well coached team I've seen at State since the best years of Richard Williams (credit to his assistants as much as him). But we play defense. For real. We're smart. We press when we can set it up and eat up the shot clock, we take open shots, everybody on the floor can handle the ball, we don't take unnecessary risk on defense even though we pressure the ball a lot, we don't allow a lot of transition points, etc... this team is going to win a lot of games.

Not sure how this one will fall, but it's going to be a good season. Y'all get those NIL checkbooks ready and go get Jans a few dudes!

Yes!!!

[parabrave]

Glad Davis is getting hot.

[Political Hack]

Another great sign of a good team... we out shot them 25 to 12 in the first 10 minutes or so of the game. If you take that many more shots than your opponent (defense, rebounding, etc...) you're going to be in a lot of games.

[msstate7]

Great shot

[parabrave]

Tolu with the big shot.

[msstate7]

DJ, I seriously hate you sometimes

[basedog]

Another great sign of a good team... we out shot them 25 to 12 in the first 10 minutes or so of the game. If you take that many more shots than your opponent (defense, rebounding, etc...) you're going to be in a lot of games.

Exactly.

[BeardoMSU]

That was not smart....

[msstate7]

DJ, just eat some clock

[msstate7]

Davis or tolu only

[Thick]

****ing DJ, being ****ing DJ!!!

[RocketDawg]

Really need to make these FTs.

[msstate7]

Please make this FT

[parabrave]

Please T just make one of these. Nope.

[BeardoMSU]

Please make the 1st...

[Cowbell]

I feel like we are much better 3 point team that what we are seeing now. A lot of these shots are in and out or barely missing. They will start falling at some point. We can't win big down the stretch if we don't learn how to make them fall anyway.

[msstate7]

I really love how we play D without a crap load of fouls now

[BeardoMSU]

Ffs..

[RocketDawg]

Why not just foul them?

[msstate7]

Foul?

[msstate7]

Deny inbounds and foul. Take out tolu

[BeardoMSU]

We are ****ing 6-0, lol. I can't believe it.

[RocketDawg]

Woo. We won shooting just 25%.

[parabrave]

Well a win is a win.

[EdwardDrayton]

If that’s not the definition of a gritty win then I don’t know what is. Davis and Tolu brought us home.

6-0. Top 25 here we come.

[msstate7]

I can't believe we won that game. We have work to do on offense, but I love our coach

[mparkerfd20]

Fugly ass win but I'll take it.

[Cloak]

Go Dawgs

[ZedFedder]

If they can even begin to shoot remotely well, WATCH OUT.

[LC Dawg]

6-0 feels good.

[chef dixon]

I like how hard this team plays. But I'll take .500 in the league right now. We can't score and it's only going to get tougher. Nit bid would be good. Ncaa would be a miracle.

A "miracle" is super harsh. We already have solid non conference wins. That's what gets you in come March when you're on the bubble. Something we only did one season under Howland.

[Political Hack]

I feel like we are much better 3 point team that what we are seeing now. A lot of these shots are in and out or barely missing. They will start falling at some point. We can't win big down the stretch if we don't learn how to make them fall anyway.

It's hard to shoot in a big, empty gym. And I'm not sure it can get much worse!

It's crazy we shot that poorly and beat a potential tourney team.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Big time play. Davis and Tolu players of the game. Jeffries played a solid game. His two drives to the paint made a difference in this game. Neither resulted in points, but it got us to the bonus faster and it shows me we can do it if we focus on it, and we will need to get tough on offense from here on out.

Defensively, Mathews is a difference maker yet again.

Good win. We need to work and getting these open looks in the net. I think we will figure it out.

6-0 feels good. Let?s grab this hardware and get set for a fun season.

[Cowbell]

The hump is about to be resurrected

[Lord McBuckethead]

It's hard to shoot in a big, empty gym. And I'm not sure it can get much worse!

It's crazy we shot that poorly and beat a potential tourney team.

Exactly. They basically neutralized Tolu (18pts) and we took away their best player 0-7 on the game.

[RocketDawg]

Think attendance will improve at the Hump now?

[msu15]

HAIL STATE

[PGHBulldogBG]

I am hoping we hired the Tony Bennett of the SEC. His defense is on another level and I love it.

[NCMSTFAN]

We shot 25%, had zero bench points and Shak went 0-10 off the bench but we found a way to win. I'll take it but that will get us beat against better teams. We have to be more consistent on offense

[MetEdDawg]

This game and the last one are games we consistently have lost over the last decade.

This team plays with effort for the full 40 minutes.

We won't be offensive juggernauts this year, but our defense is going to win us some games.

Great job by Jans having the defense looking this good this early in year 1.

[PMDawg]

Helluva win. Not pretty on O, but who cares?

[basedog]

Winning on the road is huge. Shooting will be better at the Hump. We are just now finding out our rotation. Reed was recruited as a shooter, hasn’t happened yet. Moore is a mystery with his shot. For some reason he doesn’t look comfortable with confidence.

[EdwardDrayton]

I mean, c’mon, it was never REALLY in doubt, was it?!!? ****

[MagicDawg]

Six games in, already bowl eligible. Let's go!

[BeardoMSU]

This game and the last one are games we consistently have lost over the last decade.

This team plays with effort for the full 40 minutes.

We won't be offensive juggernauts this year, but our defense is going to win us some games.

Great job by Jans having the defense looking this good this early in year 1.

Word.

[HoopsDawg]

That bank in was huge. Lol.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There is zero doubt in my mind that a Ben Howland coached team would have lost our last two games.

[EdwardDrayton]

For those of us adrenalized after that game, the ETSU replay is on in a few minutes.

[Goldendawg]

It was ugly, but we made them uglier. 6-0. Get to the Hump for the next home game! Hail State!

[Lord McBuckethead]

For those of us adrenalized after that game, the ETSU replay is on in a few minutes.

Why ruin the mood watching us struggle against ETSU?

[EdwardDrayton]

That bank in was huge. Lol.

It’s still hard to believe that went in.

[EdwardDrayton]

Why ruin the mood watching us struggle against ETSU?

LOL

[Goldendawg]

****ing DJ, being ****ing DJ!!!

I do hate it when he runs the point.

[EdwardDrayton]

The upside for us is HUGE if we find some perimeter consistency. Teams will have to abandon the collapse on Tolu and any kind of pack line or sag defense. We will be a handful for anybody. We haven’t seen the best of us yet.

[Bothrops]

We have us a coach, ladies and gentlemen.

[parabrave]

One thing that Coach J said on the postgame show. There will be games like these and its important how you finish games like these. but the next time a player keeps missing wide open 3s he needs to get the Reggie Jackson Treatment. Oh Yeah Vandy having the game with St Marys and Arky had to go to OT against San Diego St.

[Commercecomet24]

This team is doing something that Howlands teams didn't do and that's close out games. Nice to see.

[basedog]

This team is doing something that Howlands teams didn't do and that's close out games. Nice to see.

My kind of Coach also. Love the defensive intensity and rebounding. Shooting will improve especially at the Hump. I would like to see us get out some on the break with turnovers which will come in days ahead. Also we handle the ball pretty well which is another good trait.

Many on ED complaining about our offense and so many 3's, I can tell you Jans will improve in this area as well with too many 3's. Fact is we have a couple of guys capable of being much better shooters but we gotta recruit in this area.

Fun team to watch for me and winning close games!

[msstate7]

Still amazed we won that game...

38 3-pt shots to 29 2-pt shots
25.4% shooting overall, 23.7% 3
-4 rebounds
56.3% FT
We were positive Assists to TO: 10 to 6

[msstate7]

My kind of Coach also. Love the defensive intensity and rebounding. Shooting will improve especially at the Hump. I would like to see us get out some on the break with turnovers which will come in days ahead. Also we handle the ball pretty well which is another good trait.

Many on ED complaining about our offense and so many 3's, I can tell you Jans will improve in this area as well with too many 3's. Fact is we have a couple of guys capable of being much better shooters but we gotta recruit in this area.

Fun team to watch for me and winning close games!

NMSU was 234th in 3-pt shooting % last year. They were a solid 102nd in fg % though. Under Jans, we aren't gonna win games with offense, but we can lose em with offense if we don't chill with all the 3s. Our defense will win games

[basedog]

NMSU was 234th in 3-pt shooting % last year. They were a solid 102nd in fg % though. Under Jans, we aren't gonna win games with offense, but we can lose em with offense if we don't chill with all the 3s. Our defense will win games

I think he will adjust, he is a proven winner. Time will tell moving forward with our shooting. His NMSU team was very competitive, this year team is very competitive as well. You win with what you got, we are an inside team with defense, and rebounding, Jans will coach to his strengths and that is what good Coaches do.

[msstate7]

It's obviously extremely early, but we 11th in RPI.

[RocketDawg]

One thing that Coach J said on the postgame show. There will be games like these and its important how you finish games like these. but the next time a player keeps missing wide open 3s he needs to get the Reggie Jackson Treatment. Oh Yeah Vandy having the game with St Marys and Arky had to go to OT against San Diego St.

Arkansas also lost to Creighton Monday or Tuesday night.

[RocketDawg]

We have us a coach, ladies and gentlemen.

Yes, I think so. He stays with the game until the end and shows a bunch of energy.

[Cowbell]

There is a reason he is letting them shoot the 3 now. These guys are better shooters than we probably realize and he is giving them time to get rhythm and build confidence. When we are even decent at the 3 ball, it will open up the inside more and then this team is on another level.

[MetEdDawg]

There is a reason he is letting them shoot the 3 now. These guys are better shooters than we probably realize and he is giving them time to get rhythm and build confidence. When we are even decent at the 3 ball, it will open up the inside more and then this team is on another level.

Had we made even 3 or 4 more 3 pointers, this game wouldn't have been contested and Tolu would have had more opportunities.

But, until we can make those shots, teams are going to do what Utah and Marquette did and that's double Tolu almost immediately after he touches the ball in the post.

If we can shoot 33% there, teams will have to spread themselves out a little to defend it. Until then, Tolu is going to have to work very hard to get his.

[chef dixon]

I know this is a partly weak excuse, but the rims in that gym were stiff as hell. Pretty much all the teams shot poorly. We aren't great shooting but will be better than last night.

[Cowbell]

Had we made even 3 or 4 more 3 pointers, this game wouldn't have been contested and Tolu would have had more opportunities.

But, until we can make those shots, teams are going to do what Utah and Marquette did and that's double Tolu almost immediately after he touches the ball in the post.

If we can shoot 33% there, teams will have to spread themselves out a little to defend it. Until then, Tolu is going to have to work very hard to get his.

Agreed. Unfortunately we are as inaccurate on midrange jumpers as we are the 3, so might as well spread them out.

[chef dixon]

I know this is a partly weak excuse, but the rims in that gym were stiff as hell. Pretty much all the teams shot poorly. We aren't great shooting but will be better than last night.

Well we've sucked in every game so kind of never mind. Still think it will improve slightly

[msstate7]

There is a reason he is letting them shoot the 3 now. These guys are better shooters than we probably realize and he is giving them time to get rhythm and build confidence. When we are even decent at the 3 ball, it will open up the inside more and then this team is on another level.

We attempted 10 2-pt shots in the 2nd half. Thats way too few

[msstate7]

Well we've sucked in every game so kind of never mind. Still think it will improve slightly

I agree we will most likely improve from 3. If the 3s were from inside passes out, I wouldn't complain near as much. Our 3s last night were almost all perimeter passing until we settled for a 3.

Our defense is so damn good that if we just clean up our offense some, we could be a pretty damn good. Lazy perimeter passing isn't gonna be successful imo.

We are 6-0, so I'm not trying to run down jans. Jans is terrific, and I just want him to tighten up our offense some

[RocketDawg]

I know this is a partly weak excuse, but the rims in that gym were stiff as hell. Pretty much all the teams shot poorly. We aren't great shooting but will be better than last night.

Back in my childhood, before dunks were legal, rims were bolted on firmly without a spring. So they were really stiff, with the only play coming from the steel rim itself. I think it was illegal to even touch the rim, let alone hang on it now after a dunk.

[Commercecomet24]

My kind of Coach also. Love the defensive intensity and rebounding. Shooting will improve especially at the Hump. I would like to see us get out some on the break with turnovers which will come in days ahead. Also we handle the ball pretty well which is another good trait.

Many on ED complaining about our offense and so many 3's, I can tell you Jans will improve in this area as well with too many 3's. Fact is we have a couple of guys capable of being much better shooters but we gotta recruit in this area.

Fun team to watch for me and winning close games!

This! I love watching the intensity and effort we play with. Nobody is ever just standing around offense or defense. The thing on offense is even though we're not shooting well right now is the offense is creating so many open looks just not going down right now. If you can continue getting those open looks they will start to fall. The way we've been closing out games is impressive!

[Schultzy]

Utah was making it difficult to get a shot off any where near the basket so they forced us to settle for so many 3’s. I predict they will make the tournament and possibly advance with their length and shooting ability.

I’d like to see us cut to the basket without the ball more.

Moore is a better 3 ball shooter than he is showing I think. He is sliding right or back on his shot and not toward the rim or straight up & down.

It’s great to see how much Jans demands intensity.

[99jc]

It is truly amazing we are 6-0 with the 2nd winningest active coach in the NCAA and some of you still bitch and act like you know more than the coach. Just let it ride until you have real reason to complain. some of this fanbase is insufferable.! you know who u are.

[msstate7]

It is truly amazing we are 6-0 with the 2nd winningest active coach in the NCAA and some of you still bitch and act like you know more than the coach. Just let it ride until you have real reason to complain. some of this fanbase is insufferable.! you know who u are.

Newsflash: you can be extremely happy with a coach, and at the same time see potential problems.

What's your "lock of the week" this week that always loses?

[parabrave]

Had we made even 3 or 4 more 3 pointers, this game wouldn't have been contested and Tolu would have had more opportunities.

But, until we can make those shots, teams are going to do what Utah and Marquette did and that's double Tolu almost immediately after he touches the ball in the post.

If we can shoot 33% there, teams will have to spread themselves out a little to defend it. Until then, Tolu is going to have to work very hard to get his.

Cam has to help him more in the paint. He did one drive last night where he started at the top of the arc split two defenders and while Tolu had 2 guys on him Cam drove to make the layup. We need more of this when tolu has the doubleteam on him.

[99jc]

Newsflash: you can be extremely happy with a coach, and at the same time see potential problems.

What's your "lock of the week" this week that always loses?

lock of the week MSU

[msstate7]

lock of the week MSU

Change that!!!! Haha, I bet on us myself

[parabrave]

Whens the last time anyone was looking forward to the next game??

[msstate7]

Whens the last time anyone was looking forward to the next game??

I know what you mean, but 3 of our next 4 are resume killers: Omaha, MVSU, and Jackson st. At Minnesota is a good one though

[ZedFedder]

I know what you mean, but 3 of our next 4 are resume killers: Omaha, MVSU, and Jackson st. At Minnesota is a good one though

True, but it may do this team some good to watch the ball go through the hoop a little against weaker comp.

[TrapGame]

I know what you mean, but 3 of our next 4 are resume killers: Omaha, MVSU, and Jackson st. At Minnesota is a good one though

So we probably likely going into Minnesota 9-0 with a shot at 10-0?

Wow.

[parabrave]

I know what you mean, but 3 of our next 4 are resume killers: Omaha, MVSU, and Jackson st. At Minnesota is a good one though

Warmups for conference play. Get to work on getting Tolu out of being doubleteamed and our shooting and other discrepancies that have come out.

[smootness]

We attempted 10 2-pt shots in the 2nd half. Thats way too few

The thing is, as bad as we shot on 3's, and as frustrating as it is when we keep jacking them, we were actually more efficient on 3's than 2's. .55 points per shot on 2's and .71 points per shot on 3's. So you could argue we actually should have taken MORE 3's. Davis' 3's won us that game.

[msstate7]

The thing is, as bad as we shot on 3's, and as frustrating as it is when we keep jacking them, we were actually more efficient on 3's than 2's. .55 points per shot on 2's and .71 points per shot on 3's. So you could argue we actually should have taken MORE 3's. Davis' 3's won us that game.

I suppose. Season sample is...

.90 pts per 3 att
.98 pts per 2 att

[smootness]

I suppose. Season sample is...

.90 pts per 3 att
.98 pts per 2 att

Yeah, you're right. But often shooting 3's, even if you're not making a ton, gives you more space inside the arc as well. It's not as easy as, stop shooting 3's because you're not making many. It can make your offense better and smoother even when they aren't falling.

Our shooting overall is certainly not good and will hurt us this year. But that's true of our entire offense.

[R2Dawg]

This team has things we need to improve on but who doesn't. FT and shooting in general but some of these shots will start to fall. We moved to ball good and got good looks. Our D will make other teams shoot worse and play sloppy too.

I like this team and the Jans hire a lot. We got a chance at a good season and could make some noise.

[Goldendawg]

Be at the Hump Monday Night if you can This team and staff deserve in-person support! Hail State!

[NCMSTFAN]

Be at the Hump Monday Night if you can This team and staff deserve in-person support! Hail State!

Agreed, I've been saying this for years and the excuse I always heard was "Once they start winning the fans will return" well, we are winning now and just beat two Power 5 teams who are both solid teams. Support these guys and our girls also