Sawyer Robertson time

[Tough Dawg]

Lets go.

[trojandawg]

Should be but probably not til the 4th or even last few plays. Got to pad rogers stats.

[VandelayIndustries]

Kneel downs in the 4th

[DEDawg]

There?s no reason he shouldn?t get the rest of the second with starters and all of the 3rd and 4th with backups

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Rogers gets an intentional grounding because he doesnt have enough arm strength to throw it past the LOS. 😂

[RocketDawg]

We're up 4 TDs. It would be nice to see what Sawyer has to offer in a game situation. Never have seen him do anything but hand off in garbage time.

[BayouDawg]

Rogers gets an intentional grounding because he doesnt have enough arm strength to throw it past the LOS. 😂

And hes about as elusive as my great aunt on her rascal scooter.

[BayouDawg]

Rogers getting down field and getting woody a block was good. I?ll give him that.

[Pinto]

Can Sawyer not through a 5 yd check down?

[DEDawg]

This is absurd PUT HIM IN

[msstate7]

Sawyer must suck if he can't get in

[TrapGame]

Sawyer must suck if he can't get in

Here almost two full years and can't even run enough offense that could beat ETSU.

[BayouDawg]

Sawyer must suck if he can't get in

Its certainly less than ideal

[Pinto]

17 Leach. This is stupid. How does he justify this?

[msstate7]

17 Leach. This is stupid. How does he justify this?

Padding stats

[parabrave]

Padding stats

Yep.

[Tough Dawg]

Geeezus. If this is about padding stats then this 17ing sucks.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Its triple option mindset. It?s what we do. I would like to get all the starters out too but that is not what the triple Bible says

[RocketDawg]

Lovertich is in. I'd forgotten that he's on the team. Sawyer must really be bad.

[TrapGame]

Lovertich is in. I'd forgotten that he's on the team. Sawyer must really be bad.

Only thing I can think of is Lovertich is a senior. He's getting his time. Still Sawyer needs this playing time.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lovertich is a winner. Robertson or any other will have a fight on there hands to beat him or Will

[msstate7]

Lovertich is in. I'd forgotten that he's on the team. Sawyer must really be bad.

Sawyer is trash. If he was good, he'd be pushing will

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lovertich gets to play on senior day and we should fire Leach over it.

[Pancho]

who wants sawyer to play more?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

And we see why Sawyer don?t get on the field

[msu15]

Again, he sucks

[CaptainObvious]

And we see why Sawyer don?t get on the field
Yeah. I just saw enough of Sawyer Robertson to last a lifetime.

[Tough Dawg]

No kiddin. Now we know.

[Tough Dawg]

So how was he a 4-star??

[BulldogBear]

Lol at some folks on here. As much as we can criticize WR (and he deserves most of it), there is a reason he is the starter and should be. You're seeing it right now. WR is our best chance to win Egg and its not even remotely close.

[CaptainObvious]

And we see why Sawyer don?t get on the field

He can?t complete the Utah Pass

[Homedawg]

Yet some dumbasses on this thread thought he should start. Smdh

[Homedawg]

Lol at some folks on here. As much as we can criticize WR (and he deserves most of it), there is a reason he is the starter and should be. You're seeing it right now. WR is our best chance to win Egg and its not even remotely close.

Been trying to tell everyone that. It's not remotely close. Glad it can been seen.

[TrapGame]

Been trying to tell everyone that. It's not remotely close. Glad it can been seen.

Almost two years in the system and he's still this bad. Wow. 4* kid that broke records at his high school.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Texas HSFB is not that great. If I was 34 I would tell y?all that I said he was more likely to start at baseball here than he was football. Not fair to quit on the kid after one play but this board wanted to see him vs UGA and Bama. Some wanted him to start today bc our starter cant throw it 10 yds downfield

[SilentSteel16]

But Sawyer pushes the ball down field ….. But Rogers can’t play at USM…. But Rogers handicaps our offense and Sawyer will open it up …. But we should worry about losing Sawyer to the portal… but all Sawyer needs is reps…. I can keep going with the ass hat comments

[SilentSteel16]

Bucky I remember you and I both saying if he was ever going to start at State it would be on diamond and I also remember us both saying that was a stretch as well.

Going to try and dig the thread up but I know both of us said it last year and this spring.

[Leroy Jenkins]

He's playing with the 2s and 3s. I'll reserve judgment until I see him play with the 1s. It's hard to know who's at fault on some of those plays.

[msstate7]

I don't wish illness on Leach, but I want rid of this trash offense. I absolutely hate being a non-physical offense. I have to drink just to watch this garbage offense

[parabrave]

Almost two years in the system and he's still this bad. Wow. 4* kid that broke records at his high school.

Texas FB***.

[SilentSteel16]

Some of y’all get so wrapped up in HS rankings it is downright sad. Give me the 2 and 3 stars that bust their ass and don’t post crap on social media 24/7 everyday. Give me the kids that want to compete and have a chip on their shoulders. Give me the kids that are “slept on” and want to prove everyone right. You can have all the 4 stars and 5 stars you want but deal with the transfer portal with them because they don’t see the field.
Those HS rating companies make millions on propping up college programs and kids. 17 them and let the kids that want it the worst fill your roster and you will win more games with them than some High School dream team.

[Turfdawg67]

I don't wish illness on Leach, but I want rid of this trash offense. I absolutely hate being a non-physical offense. I have to drink just to watch this garbage offense

I recall you drinking during the Mullen years too. Maybe you just looking for a reason? ***

[Turfdawg67]

Some of y’all get so wrapped up in HS rankings it is downright sad. Give me the 2 and 3 stars that bust their ass and don’t post crap on social media 24/7 everyday. Give me the kids that want to compete and have a chip on their shoulders. Give me the kids that are “slept on” and want to prove everyone right. You can have all the 4 stars and 5 stars you want but deal with the transfer portal with them because they don’t see the field.
Those HS rating companies make millions on propping up college programs and kids. 17 them and let the kids that want it the worst fill your roster and you will win more games with them than some High School dream team.

Give me the 5*s that UGA and Bama have...

[QuadrupleOption]

Lets go.

Well, I pray to sweet baby Jesus that the performance we saw today will shut up some of the mouthbreathers we have critiquing one of the most successful QBs we've had at dear ol' State, yet I know it won't.

[vindastra]

Well, I pray to sweet baby Jesus that the performance we saw today will shut up some of the mouthbreathers we have critiquing one of the most successful QBs we've had at dear ol' State, yet I know it won't.

So, 5-yard raid then for the foreseeable future?

[msstate7]

So, 5-yard raid then for the foreseeable future?

For real... the rb dump offs are freaking must see tv

[SPMT]

Clearly Robertson isn?t close to being ready. Should put that to bed.

[Turfdawg67]

Well, I pray to sweet baby Jesus that the performance we saw today will shut up some of the mouthbreathers we have critiquing one of the most successful QBs we've had at dear ol' State, yet I know it won't.

Just because Sawyer isn't the answer, doesn't mean Will is.

[msstate7]

Just because Sawyer isn't the answer, doesn't mean Will is.

Well damn, common ground

[TrapGame]

Just because Sawyer isn't the answer, doesn't mean Will is.

Will is competent but that's it. He still couldn't push the ball down the field on ETSU.

[tcdog70]

For real... the rb dump offs are freaking must see tv

Guess you would rather have Billy Napier? How can you bitch after this game.. or maybe Jimbo.

[Tough Dawg]

I just wanted to see the kid play and see where he stacks up. Question answered.

[Quaoarsking]

I don't care how "exciting" or "boring" our offense is as long as we win games at the Mullen Baseline Level (MBL) or better.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I didn't think it was possible but Mike Leach may know more about quarterbacks than the average ED poster.

[vindastra]

I didn't think it was possible but Mike Leach may know more about quarterbacks than the average ED poster.

Like how to not have any backups ready in ~3 years?

[Homedawg]

Just because Sawyer isn't the answer, doesn't mean Will is.

He's the best we have. That's for sure. And we're aren't getting anyone in the portal that can beat him out either.

[Homedawg]

I just wanted to see the kid play and see where he stacks up. Question answered.

Why did you need to see it? To appease you? Coaches see him everyday in practice.

[Homedawg]

Will is competent but that's it. He still couldn't push the ball down the field on ETSU.

He didn't need to

[Todd4State]

Yet some dumbasses on this thread thought he should start. Smdh

"Fireable offense".

People need to understand that these are freshman and they need time to develop unless they are a phenom like Peyton Manning.

[Todd4State]

Like how to not have any backups ready in ~3 years?

Sawyer has been here a year and a half

[parabrave]

"Fireable offense".

People need to understand that these are freshman and they need time to develop unless they are a phenom like Peyton Manning.

This. He was in with the rest of the 3rd stringers. Do the backups get many reps during practice? Who is the QB coach who is responsible for QB development\?

[msstate7]

I don't care how "exciting" or "boring" our offense is as long as we win games at the Mullen Baseline Level (MBL) or better.

I wouldn't care either if we were winning at a high level, but we aren't. We're right where Moorhead was

Moorhead 14-12 (.538)
Leach 18-17 (.514)
Mullen (.600)

[DownwardDawg]

Almost two years in the system and he's still this bad. Wow. 4* kid that broke records at his high school.

Myles Brennan broke all of Dylan Farvres records. Both were outstanding in college. ****

[msu15]

This. He was in with the rest of the 3rd stringers. Do the backups get many reps during practice? Who is the QB coach who is responsible for QB development\?

3rd stringers get no reps outside of scout team, and Leach is the QB coach.

[msu15]

Myles Brennan broke all of Dylan Farvres records. Both were outstanding in college. ****
Ol' Dylan. I knew he was transferring about 4 months before most everyone else because I had a class with him that fall semester and he showed up a whopping "Zero" times. At least he was consistent lol!

[Turfdawg67]

I wouldn't care either if we were winning at a high level, but we aren't. We're right where Moorhead was

Moorhead 14-12 (.538)
Leach 18-17 (.514)
Mullen (.600)

We are definitely right where DM was in year 3:

Mullen: 21-17 - 9-15
Leach (projected): 18-18 - 10-16
(Throw in a New Mexico, Tulane & Alabama A&M and take out UGA, Vandy for 2020 Covid year and here are your records)

Mullen: 21-17 - 9-15
Leach- 21-18 - 9-15

[CaptainObvious]

And we see why Sawyer don?t get on the field

Will is it. And no doubt that Lovertich is the backup. He looked smoother on his 2 drives behind the 2?s then Robertson did. 1/3 of our special teams still sucks. After today, we now have 6 punts that have traveled less than 20 yards. We never got a kickoff into the end zone today with no wind blowing. And we had 9 kickoffs. Missed a 49 yards field by about 9 yards. The return team is outstanding.

[msu15]

We are definitely right where DM was in year 3:

Mullen: 21-17 - 9-15
Leach (projected): 18-18 - 10-16
(Throw in a New Mexico, Tulane & Alabama A&M and take out UGA, Vandy for 2020 Covid year and here are your records)

Mullen: 21-17 - 9-15
Leach- 21-18 - 9-15

Throw in at NC State as well for 21-19. Conference record would be the same though. I would argue Leach has had a tougher conference schedule because Mullen's first three years were before expansion.

[msstate7]

We are definitely right where DM was in year 3:

Mullen: 21-17 - 9-15
Leach (projected): 18-18 - 10-16
(Throw in a New Mexico, Tulane & Alabama A&M and take out UGA, Vandy for 2020 Covid year and here are your records)

Mullen: 21-17 - 9-15
Leach- 21-18 - 9-15

Did they start at the same point?

3 years prior to mullen: 15-22
3 years prior to leach: 22-16

[msu15]

Did they start at the same point?

3 years prior to mullen: 15-22
3 years prior to leach: 22-16
I won't argue, especially when you consider the fact that Mullen had a grand total of FOUR scholarship receivers in his first spring practice. Had to convert DB's and walk on QB's just to get reps.

[msstate7]

Throw in at NC State as well for 21-19. Conference record would be the same though. I would argue Leach has had a tougher conference schedule because Mullen's first three years were before expansion.

Lol, mullen had the toughest schedule in the country year #1. Year 2, auburn was national champs, lsu #8, bama #10, and ark #12. In year 3, bama #1, lsu #2, and ark #5

[BuckyIsAB****]

He didn't need to

And there is 3 safeties too.

[BiscuitEater]

And there is 3 safeties too.

2 of 6 for 5 yards! Amazing just amazing!

[Quaoarsking]

I wouldn't care either if we were winning at a high level, but we aren't. We're right where Moorhead was

Moorhead 14-12 (.538)
Leach 18-17 (.514)
Mullen (.600)

Moorhead had major off-the-field issues and had squandered a team with 3 first round picks on it. The fact that he won some anyway almost saved his job, but we all knew it was only going to get worse. Leach at least seems like he will keep up the MBL.

[Really Clark?]

Throw in at NC State as well for 21-19. Conference record would be the same though. I would argue Leach has had a tougher conference schedule because Mullen's first three years were before expansion.

That's a losing argument. The SEC West in 2010-2011 was historically the most difficult division ever in college football. Throw in SOS for his first year in 2009...Mullen's first 3 years was a lot more difficult. It's not close.

[Turfdawg67]

Lol, mullen had the toughest schedule in the country year #1. Year 2, auburn was national champs, lsu #8, bama #10, and ark #12. In year 3, bama #1, lsu #2, and ark #5

Not sure what's funny: 2020- Bama#1, TAM#4 & UGA#7; 2021- Bama#2, OM#11, UK#21, Ark#21 & TAM#26; 2022- UGA#1, Bama#6, LSU#8 & OM#14

That's pretty tough too.

[msu15]

Lol, mullen had the toughest schedule in the country year #1. Year 2, auburn was national champs, lsu #8, bama #10, and ark #12. In year 3, bama #1, lsu #2, and ark #5

Lol, Houston and Georgia Tech had a lot to do with his year one schedule, but I shouldn't have jumped in to your debate. Your iQ isn't high enough to carry on a conversation with.

[Turfdawg67]

That's a losing argument. The SEC West in 2010-2011 was historically the most difficult division ever in college football. Throw in SOS for his first year in 2009...Mullen's first 3 years was a lot more difficult. It's not close.

Lol... again, see above. You act like Leach has played a simple schedule compared to Mullen. You only mention the West, Leach has faced a juggernaut in UGA in 2 of 3 years where Dan played horrible UK teams and Vandy.

[Percho]

Guess you would rather have Billy Napier? How can you bitch after this game.. or maybe Jimbo.

They, [B]would have given,[B] their right ----------- a few years ago.

0, zero, naught patience!

[R2Dawg]

I wouldn't care either if we were winning at a high level, but we aren't. We're right where Moorhead was

Moorhead 14-12 (.538)
Leach 18-17 (.514)
Mullen (.600)

Hey, don't bring facts in here.

Well we are better culture wise I think than Moorhead.

[R2Dawg]

Lol... again, see above. You act like Leach has played a simple schedule compared to Mullen. You only mention the West, Leach has faced a juggernaut in UGA in 2 of 3 years where Dan played horrible UK teams and Vandy.

Yeah and CDM played better Bama, Aub, and LSU and TAMU teams. UK is no better this year than most than Dan faced.

[Goldendawg]

Here's you guys a rumor I heard at the game today. Kentucky has already been going through the back channel contacts to encourage Robertson to transfer to them. Guy that told me is pretty knowledgeable, but didn't say if he believed it. BTW, he would be replacing their #1 round NFL draft pick who has a chance to lead them to a 7-5 or 6-6 record this year. Watching GA/KY and I think the announcers said Levis hasn't passed for more than 150 ypg last three games. Has hit a couple of long passes today, last one a dying duck.

[Really Clark?]

Lol... again, see above. You act like Leach has played a simple schedule compared to Mullen. You only mention the West, Leach has faced a juggernaut in UGA in 2 of 3 years where Dan played horrible UK teams and Vandy.

I understand but it's not debatable. 2010-2011 difficulty was historic. We also SEC East champion in 2 of those 3 years. We played Georgia (Georgia was weak in 2010 and #19 in 2011) and Florida (#3 in 2009 and down in 2010) in 2 of those 3 years and #9 South Carolina in 2011. It's not close.

[lastmajordog]

I know personally of a VERY successful HS coach that was notorious for not taking starters out in games totally in the win column. His last year he thought he had the team for one last state championship, well they imploded. He had not injected the younger players in practice besides holding dummies. He left after spring practice and the HS went through the worst two years in their history because he didn’t invest the younger players in the program or practice ...... not playing younger players when possible unless you are Bama is insane on any level.....JMHO

[Tough Dawg]

Damn right.

[Homedawg]

So bama- the most successful program it's ok? And everyone else it's stupid. That makes no sense. Bama didn't play their second team until late in the 4th today. Now they did let the backup qb get a series first w the first string. But back to the point, it's either dumb for bama and us. Or it's not dumb. Can't be both ways. That's bs.
Eta I agree the second team should get action sooner than the 4th w in a game like today. And the defense subbed a lot in the first half.

[tcdog70]

I wouldn't care either if we were winning at a high level, but we aren't. We're right where Moorhead was

Moorhead 14-12 (.538)
Leach 18-17 (.514)
Mullen (.600)

When did Mohead or Dan play an all Sec schedule?asking for a friend

[msstate7]

When did Mohead or Dan play an all Sec schedule?asking for a friend

Sec only...
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)

There you go... apples to apples

ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec

If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec

So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen

[Bothrops]

Lovertech is a slightly more mobile version of Will. Sawyer has played his last snaps in maroon.

[CaptainObvious]

And we see why Sawyer don?t get on the field


Lovertech is a slightly more mobile version of Will. Sawyer has played his last snaps in maroon.

This👆

[Ezsoil]

I wouldn't care either if we were winning at a high level, but we aren't. We're right where Moorhead was

Moorhead 14-12 (.538)
Leach 18-17 (.514)
Mullen (.600)

Well that's a touch deceiving ....neither Mullen or Morehead had to face an all SEC schedule ..and Mullen never had a requirement to play a power 5 OOC .....let's hold judgement on Leach till after next year when he gets an Ole Miss type cupcake schedule with eight home games..

[msstate7]

Well that's a touch deceiving ....neither Mullen or Morehead had to face an all SEC schedule ..and Mullen never had a requirement to play a power 5 OOC .....let's hold judgement on Leach till after next year when he gets an Ole Miss type cupcake schedule with eight home games..

Sec only...
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)

There you go... apples to apples

ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec

If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec

So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen

[Cowbell]

Sec only...
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)

There you go... apples to apples

ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec

If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec

So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen

At this point, I have seen nothing out of Leaxh that makes me think he is better than Joe was. Other than the obvious discipline issues.

[lastmajordog]

So bama- the most successful program it's ok? And everyone else it's stupid. That makes no sense. Bama didn't play their second team until late in the 4th today. Now they did let the backup qb get a series first w the first string. But back to the point, it's either dumb for bama and us. Or it's not dumb. Can't be both ways. That's bs.
Eta I agree the second team should get action sooner than the 4th w in a game like today. And the defense subbed a lot in the first half.

I disagree....HS or college....if you are loaded with the 5 star upper talent, it is not as much of a problem. but HS or the DOGS NEED to train their younger players.....you can not argue that.....you just can't

[Homedawg]

I disagree....HS or college....if you are loaded with the 5 star upper talent, it is not as much of a problem. but HS or the DOGS NEED to train their younger players.....you can not argue that.....you just can't

Clearly you didn't read my post. I agreed that I would put them in sooner than CML does. But the 5 star point make zero sense. And honestly, if the players are worth a crap, and care, they are getting training at practice. Practice is important I don't give a crap what all these morons on a board tell you. Go ask saban!!

[lastmajordog]

Clearly you didn't read my post. I agreed that I would put them in sooner than CML does. But the 5 star point make zero sense. And honestly, if the players are worth a crap, and care, they are getting training at practice. Practice is important I don't give a crap what all these morons on a board tell you. Go ask saban!!

best player plays.... period..... but for lower tier programs or HS IT IS IMPERATIVE to develop players..... if you don’t understand that you don’t know fball....nothing like game experience especially for development players....jmho

[Dawgology]

Sec only...
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)

There you go... apples to apples

ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec

If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec

So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen

If you toss out the Covid year (which I think is fair) he is 14-10 overall and 7-8 in conference. So basically exactly even with JM with the chance at a slight improvement or set back based on the remaining 2 games (including the bowl game).

[Lord McBuckethead]

They have superior talent on the bench. They may share reps more in practice. With Bryce Young missing a game earlier, they already know where the backup stands.

[BayouDawg]

Sec only...
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)

There you go... apples to apples

ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec

If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec

So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen

To be fair Mullen was 10-14 after year 3 in sec only. A touch over 40%. That 2-6 2011 was a real turd. Should have beaten both Carolina and auburn.

[Todd4State]

I know personally of a VERY successful HS coach that was notorious for not taking starters out in games totally in the win column. His last year he thought he had the team for one last state championship, well they imploded. He had not injected the younger players in practice besides holding dummies. He left after spring practice and the HS went through the worst two years in their history because he didn’t invest the younger players in the program or practice ...... not playing younger players when possible unless you are Bama is insane on any level.....JMHO

What high school team plays their second and third string in meaningful playing time?

We played our back ups basically the entire fourth quarter and rotated heavily throughout the game.

[Todd4State]

best player plays.... period..... but for lower tier programs or HS IT IS IMPERATIVE to develop players..... if you don’t understand that you don’t know fball....nothing like game experience especially for development players....jmho

MSU is not a high school football team.

[BayouDawg]

MSU is not a high school football team.

Although we look like it at times. Lol I kid? kind of

[Todd4State]

So bama- the most successful program it's ok? And everyone else it's stupid. That makes no sense. Bama didn't play their second team until late in the 4th today. Now they did let the backup qb get a series first w the first string. But back to the point, it's either dumb for bama and us. Or it's not dumb. Can't be both ways. That's bs.
Eta I agree the second team should get action sooner than the 4th w in a game like today. And the defense subbed a lot in the first half.

Exactly. The thing is if you take out your starting QB to start the second half and the other team gets hot because we're sloppy all of a sudden it's a 35-14 game. And then what? That's a situation that could get very dicey with inexperienced players.

I think the best thing to do is what we did today.
Play your QB for three quarters and rotate heavily at the other positions throughout the game. And then once the game is in hand you play your backups the entire fourth quarter.

[Todd4State]

Although we look like it at times. Lol I kid? kind of

LOL. Right.

[Commercecomet24]

Clearly you didn't read my post. I agreed that I would put them in sooner than CML does. But the 5 star point make zero sense. And honestly, if the players are worth a crap, and care, they are getting training at practice. Practice is important I don't give a crap what all these morons on a board tell you. Go ask saban!!

Well said , My man and completely accurate!

[The Federalist Engineer]

Can Sawyer do baseball now?

85th best player in Texas is not bad. His dad was a 1st rounder for the Expos. Tim Tadlock, a known great evaluator and recruiter wanted him.

https://cdispatch.com/sports/2020-04-01/how-a-baseball-offer-helped-make-four-star-recruit-sawyer-robertson-mississippi-states-highest-rated-quarterback-commit-in-over-15-years/

[Mjoelner34]

He's playing with the 2s and 3s. I'll reserve judgment until I see him play with the 1s. It's hard to know who's at fault on some of those plays.

^^^This^^^ I saw where nobody mentioned that it was the receiver's fault on the int for breaking the wrong way. Doesn't fit the agenda.

[Quaoarsking]

^^^This^^^ I saw where nobody mentioned that it was the receiver's fault on the int for breaking the wrong way. Doesn't fit the agenda.

You can't seriously think that anyone here has an "anti-Sawyer Robertson" agenda.

[Goldendawg]

When comparing records of CML vs. Dan vs. Croom, I don't understand the, "If we throw the Covid year out". All teams played under the same covid conditions and a loss is a loss. Are you saying it fair to throw out for CML because it was all SEC foes?

[Quaoarsking]

When comparing records of CML vs. Dan vs. Croom, I don't understand the, "If we throw the Covid year out". All teams played under the same covid conditions and a loss is a loss. Are you saying it fair to throw out for CML because it was all SEC foes?

If you're just sticking to SEC records, keep them in, but otherwise Leach did not get the chance to win 3 or 4 nonconference games.

[LC Dawg]

When comparing records of CML vs. Dan vs. Croom, I don't understand the, "If we throw the Covid year out". All teams played under the same covid conditions and a loss is a loss. Are you saying it fair to throw out for CML because it was all SEC foes?

Because it's not a comparison between coaches that coaches during Covid it's a comparison between a coach that coaches the Covid year and two coaches that did not. But with or without the Covid year there is really no fair comparison. If you include the Covid year you don't have the OOC games that Croom and Mullen had and don't consider practice and game limitations caused by Covid but if you don't include the Covid year then you leave out a year of experience practicing and playing.
I don't think there is an even way to compare. I do think you can take Croom out of the comparison because he's definitely third on the list.

[Percho]

When comparing records of CML vs. Dan vs. Croom, I don't understand the, "If we throw the Covid year out". All teams played under the same covid conditions and a loss is a loss. Are you saying it fair to throw out for CML because it was all SEC foes?

IMHO throw it out for everyone. However I will add Leach was following the Moorhead era, ever how short, with a 180 degree change of style.

[lastmajordog]

MSU is not a high school football team.
No it?s not, but ask Saban about the wisdom of keeping your starting qb or starters in while beating the crap out of a (non HS)opponent. MSU vs Bama 2019. Besides growing your younger players you risk NEEDLESSLY injuring your starting players......case closed......HS or college.

[Todd4State]

No it?s not, but ask Saban about the wisdom of keeping your starting qb or starters in while beating the crap out of a (non HS)opponent. MSU vs Bama 2019. Besides growing your younger players you risk NEEDLESSLY injuring your starting players......case closed......HS or college.

Alabama was only up 28-0 at the time if I remember correctly.

It's tricky because the reality is the starters also need reps too. An injury can happen in practice or anywhere else. We've had players get injured in car accidents that doesn't mean we should ban them from driving.

Saban typically keeps his starters in for three quarters too.

[lastmajordog]

Alabama was only up 28-0 at the time if I remember correctly.

It's tricky because the reality is the starters also need reps too. An injury can happen in practice or anywhere else. We've had players get injured in car accidents that doesn't mean we should ban them from driving.

Saban typically keeps his starters in for three quarters too.

Agree to disagree, but erring on the side of caution especially later in the year I will always take the negative chance out of it. Only upside is padding stats. Downside is ruining a season or career. I will take the safe side every time.

[Todd4State]

Agree to disagree, but erring on the side of caution especially later in the year I will always take the negative chance out of it. Only upside is padding stats. Downside is ruining a season or career. I will take the safe side every time.

What happened in the fourth quarter of Ole Miss/Arkansas is exactly why you don't take your foot off the gas too soon.

Arkansas is very lucky that they didn't get any closer than 14 points.

My philosophy will continue to be the same as D1 coaches over high school coaches.

Hard to criticize winning 56-7 when everyone still got their reps in. But MSU fans find a way.

[TrapGame]

What happened in the fourth quarter of Ole Miss/Arkansas is exactly why you don't take your foot off the gas too soon.

And Sam Pittman admitted that post game. He said he took his foot off the gas in the second half too early and shouldn't have.

[lastmajordog]

What happened in the fourth quarter of Ole Miss/Arkansas is exactly why you don't take your foot off the gas too soon.

Arkansas is very lucky that they didn't get any closer than 14 points.

My philosophy will continue to be the same as D1 coaches over high school coaches.

Hard to criticize winning 56-7 when everyone still got their reps in. But MSU fans find a way.
So, if Will gets hurt in the second series of the EB first quarter.....YOu have a qb that has not played meaningful snaps.
Again I rest my case. Taking foot off the petal is one thing but there is a line between being smart and being stupid. HS or college. Go DOGS.

[CaptainObvious]

So, if Will gets hurt in the second series of the EB first quarter.....YOu have a qb that has not played meaningful snaps.
Again I rest my case. Taking foot off the petal is one thing but there is a line between being smart and being stupid. HS or college. Go DOGS.

If this were to happen, Chance Lovertich will finish the game. I doubt Robertson sees any more meaningful snaps. He will then meet with Leach and Leach will give him options. Transfer portal if he doesn?t like waiting his turn or 7 days of extra practice during bowl prep and a chance to win the job next March. As it should be.

[Todd4State]

So, if Will gets hurt in the second series of the EB first quarter.....YOu have a qb that has not played meaningful snaps.
Again I rest my case. Taking foot off the petal is one thing but there is a line between being smart and being stupid. HS or college. Go DOGS.

Then I would go with Lovertich who has some SEC experience and started some at South Alabama.

And the reason we know this is because of the meaningful snaps both he and Sawyer took in the fourth quarter of the game against East Tennessee State.

https://www.footballdb.com/college-football/stats/stats.html?mode=P&yr=2022&conf=9

Most teams have back ups that range from 5 attempts to 30 attempts. The ones that have more typically had to play a game for an injured starter. Sawyer has 11 attempts. That doesn't include Lovertich for some reason.

Anyway- we're not abnormal here with what we're doing.

[Homedawg]

So, if Will gets hurt in the second series of the EB first quarter.....YOu have a qb that has not played meaningful snaps.
Again I rest my case. Taking foot off the petal is one thing but there is a line between being smart and being stupid. HS or college. Go DOGS.

If Will gets hurt in the first q it won't matter. We will get dusted.

[confucius say]

Did they start at the same point?

3 years prior to mullen: 15-22
3 years prior to leach: 22-16

I would argue the 2009 team dan inherited had more nfl guys than the 2020 team leach inherited. We will see.

I've long said Leach = Dan as far as what his record will be here.

[msstate7]

I would argue the 2009 team dan inherited had more nfl guys than the 2020 team leach inherited. We will see.

I've long said Leach = Dan as far as what his record will be here.

Does Dan get no credit for signing McPhee, banks, white, bumphis, cox, and Boyd? Even if they didn't all commit to mullen, they signed with him

[confucius say]

When comparing records of CML vs. Dan vs. Croom, I don't understand the, "If we throw the Covid year out". All teams played under the same covid conditions and a loss is a loss. Are you saying it fair to throw out for CML because it was all SEC foes?

No they didn't. First, We played uga with 43 scholarship players and OM with slightly more. Other teams (OM) cancelled their games in that scenario. Second, Playing 10 straight sec games wears on you when have no depth. Playing 10 straight is a lot different for State than it is for bama.

[confucius say]

Does Dan get no credit for signing McPhee, banks, white, bumphis, cox, and Boyd? Even if they didn't all commit to mullen, they signed with him

I think he has to get some credit, yes. Especially for bumphis and to a lesser degree for cox. That may have been one of Dan's best recruiting efforts honestly, ha.

[msstate7]

Oh, and cross went higher than any player that ever played under mullen

[BrunswickDawg]

Does Dan get no credit for signing McPhee, banks, white, bumphis, cox, and Boyd? Even if they didn't all commit to mullen, they signed with him

That doesn't really change the fact that Dan's first team had a whole lot of NFL talent -some from Croom, some from Dan holding together that first class.
Looking at that roster you had 6-7 NFL guys who made rosters (Dixon, Boyd, Mitchell, etc), but you also had arguably 3-4 HOF guys in KJ Wright, Kyle Love, Cox, and McPhee.
It may turn out that the '20 team has 5-6 NFL roster guys - but Cross, Forbes, and Emerson are really the only guys I think will start, and who knows if they will have careers like KJ, Love, Cox or McPhee

[Really Clark?]

No they didn't. First, We played uga with 43 scholarship players and OM with slightly more. Other teams (OM) cancelled their games in that scenario. Second, Playing 10 straight sec games wears on you when have no depth. Playing 10 straight is a lot different for State than it is for bama.

Vandy doesn't count as a pure SEC game. Haha. Half of our G5 OOC opponents are better than that team. And what, only 4 of our opponents were over .500, I think. They had players out as well when we played some of those games. If was a harder than normal schedule, it wasn't by much really.

[confucius say]

Vandy doesn't count as a pure SEC game. Haha. Half of our G5 OOC opponents are better than that team. And what, only 4 of our opponents were over .500, I think. They had players out as well when we played some of those games. If was a harder than normal schedule, it wasn't by much really.

There were only that many over .500 and several others right at .500 because they played all sec teams. Are you seriously arguing that an all sec schedule is not much harder than a schedule with 8 sec teams, a P5, two G5 and a fcs?

[confucius say]

Oh, and cross went higher than any player that ever played under mullen

Fair. But I'd trade inheriting cross for inheriting a DL with 4 nfl guys, 3 who are decade long nfl guys and 1 who may be a hall of famer. Cox, Boyd, McPhee, Love.

[msstate7]

There were only that many over .500 and several others right at .500 because they played all sec teams. Are you seriously arguing that an all sec schedule is not much harder than a schedule with 8 sec teams, a P5, two G5 and a fcs?

If you take away the extra sec games, you take away 1 win and 1 loss considering vandy and Georgia weren't scheduled. His sec record would be 9-14 (.391) entering the egg instead of 10-15 (.400). So while comparing sec only records, it helps him

[Really Clark?]

There were only that many over .500 and several others right at .500 because they played all sec teams. Are you seriously arguing that an all sec schedule is not much harder than a schedule with 8 sec teams, a P5, two G5 and a fcs?

In a normal year yeah but in 2020, not much. We played 10 games but only 9 real games, Vandy was 0-9, horrid team that lost to East Tenn St in 2021. Memphis is a better team than them. Don't forget we didn't play every team at their full strength either. Players opting out, other teams had Covid issues. We lost to 3-7 Ark, they were not a good team. If it was harder playing those 10 games than our normal 12, it's not by much if at all for the 2020 season. In normal years it's no question it would be a tougher year.

[BayouDawg]

If you take away the extra sec games, you take away 1 win and 1 loss considering vandy and Georgia weren't scheduled. His sec record would be 9-14 (.391) entering the egg instead of 10-15 (.400). So while comparing sec only records, it helps him

At year 3 Mike and Dan are both right at 40% sec record wise.
I do miss running the damn ball with Dan though. However I dont miss trotting out CUSA talent level receivers. If Dan could have gotten some higher end receivers we could have been so much more competitive against the elite defenses.

[TrapGame]

At year 3 Mike and Dan are both right at 40% sec record wise.
I do miss running the damn ball with Dan though. However I dont miss trotting out CUSA talent level receivers. If Dan could have gotten some higher end receivers we could have been so much more competitive against the elite defenses.

Well, Billy Gonzales telling the WR recruits the first thing they need to know is how to block didn't really go over too well with most of them. We have better WRs than Dan ever had outside of probably Bear and Fred Ross. We just have a QB that can't get them the ball.

[confucius say]

If you take away the extra sec games, you take away 1 win and 1 loss considering vandy and Georgia weren't scheduled. His sec record would be 9-14 (.391) entering the egg instead of 10-15 (.400). So while comparing sec only records, it helps him

Yea I think it's fair to say 2-6 in 2020. 5-7 overall. Which I think puts Dan and leach with the same conference and overall records through three years.

[msstate7]

Yea I think it's fair to say 2-6 in 2020. 5-7 overall. Which I think puts Dan and leach with the same conference and overall records through three years.

If he wins this week, he'd actually be 1 game better, but...

Losses by years (ranks are bcs, last playoff, and current ap)...

2009: #1 UF, #2 bama, #9 lsu , NR ark and auburn

2010: #4 auburn, #6 lsu, #8 bama, #23 ark

2011: #1 lsu, #2 bama, #9 ark, #20 auburn, #14 SC, NR Georgia

2020*: #1 bama, #5 aTm, NR ark, NR KY, NR OM, NR Kentucky

2021: #1 bama, #8 OM, NR ark, NR lsu

2022: #1 Georgia, #6 lsu, #8 bama, NR Kentucky

*since we excluded Georgia for this comparison, I removed #8 Georgia

Dan lost 3 sec games to unranked opponents in 1st 3 years. Leach has lost to 7 so far

[Quaoarsking]

You double counted 2020 Kentucky

[msstate7]

You double counted 2020 Kentucky

Shoulda been NR auburn, so still 7

[Turfdawg67]

Does Dan get no credit for signing McPhee, banks, white, bumphis, cox, and Boyd? Even if they didn't all commit to mullen, they signed with him

So he inherited a better team... had to do a little work but they were coming here. Defeats your thinly veiled argument.

[Quaoarsking]

Shoulda been NR auburn, so still 7

Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?

[Turfdawg67]

If he wins this week, he'd actually be 1 game better, but...

Losses by years (ranks are bcs, last playoff, and current ap)...

2009: #1 UF, #2 bama, #9 lsu , NR ark and auburn

2010: #4 auburn, #6 lsu, #8 bama, #23 ark

2011: #1 lsu, #2 bama, #9 ark, #20 auburn, #14 SC, NR Georgia

2020*: #1 bama, #5 aTm, NR ark, NR KY, NR OM, NR Kentucky

2021: #1 bama, #8 OM, NR ark, NR lsu

2022: #1 Georgia, #6 lsu, #8 bama, NR Kentucky

*since we excluded Georgia for this comparison, I removed #8 Georgia

Dan lost 3 sec games to unranked opponents in 1st 3 years. Leach has lost to 7 so far

Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.

[msstate7]

Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?

I used this for 2011

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

2021

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2021-polls.html

[Goldendawg]

I used this for 2011

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

2021

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2021-polls.html

Just retired from teaching 7th/8th Social Studies (3rd and last career). Even the students say, "Don't Use Wikipedia!" **** Hail State!

[Turfdawg67]

Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?

I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.

[Turfdawg67]

Anticipation as MS7 tallies the stats...

[Really Clark?]

I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.

We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19th

[Turfdawg67]

We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19th

Gotcha.

Again Clark, I'm glad you are still putting up the good fight. You and I and a handful of ppl on this board were the only ones defending Mullen at times. I'm very guilty of defending our current coaches because... I want to believe!! Lol. That said, looking back and watching old games, blah... A few games we'd look unstoppable and then totally inept, much like Leach.

[msstate7]

Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.

I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessary

[Turfdawg67]

I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessary

Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2010.

[msstate7]

Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2009.

By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year

ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.

[Really Clark?]

Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2009.

That Florida win was in 2010. In 2009 we beat both Kentucky and UM (ranked) with winning records.

I wonder what our record this year would be like if it mirrored Dan's 3rd in 2011. If Will missed as much time and was as hurt as much as Chris Relf was in 2011.

[Really Clark?]

By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year

Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.

[Turfdawg67]

By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year

ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.

I'm saying THEY (DM & ML) are basically the same... as I have from the start. That's all.

[LC Dawg]

I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.

[Turfdawg67]

Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.

Went by my original post a few days ago, but you are correct... 7-6 UK and a 9-4 OM (crazy how the wheels came off that Nutt program after that).

So they both have 3 wins, against SEC teams with winning records, in their first 3 years. And Leach has one more chance to break the tie!! Hope you two are rooting for him to do just so!

ETA: I know both of you are pulling for Leach on Thursday.

[Turfdawg67]

I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.

I agree for the most part, and then came South Alabama in what, year 6? Remember that smirk at the end of the game? Everyone on here lost their ever freaking minds! I defended ole Dan saying he was basically in shock that he'd just lost to that team. And I still believe that, shocked and embarrassed.

[Quaoarsking]

Ultimately there's no need to have a big Mullen vs. Leach argument since they're both very solid coaches who've set a new baseline expectation for Mississippi State, winning at a level that most coaches out there wouldn't be able to do.

[duncflydawg]

I think that we have hit our ceiling without a slight upgrade in recruiting talent.

Also anytime I start to think about Mullen with maroon colored glasses, I think about Holloway being sent up the middle. Awesome running back but didn?t need to be running the ball between the tackles!