Some of you fans are so ignorant its comical here is our football record for last 22y

[99jc]

The last 22 years We have had 4 years with a record of better than 8-5 which is most likely where we are this season. (maybe 9-4) you all are butt hurt because of ole miss record this season get over it.



Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
1 2022 SEC 6 4 0 .600 3 4 0 .429 10.80 6.30 16 Mike Leach (6-4)
2 2021 SEC 7 6 0 .538 4 4 0 .500 5.01 3.48 Mike Leach (7-6) Liberty Bowl-L
3 2020 SEC 4 7 0 .364 3 7 0 .300 3.94 8.67 16 Mike Leach (4-7) Armed Forces Bowl-W
4 2019 SEC 6 7 0 .462 3 5 0 .375 4.87 5.95 Joe Moorhead (6-7) Music City Bowl-L
5 2018 SEC 8 5 0 .615 4 4 0 .500 13.24 5.93 18 14 Joe Moorhead (8-5) Outback Bowl-L
6 2017 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 11.85 3.85 16 19 Dan Mullen (8-4), Greg Knox (1-0) TaxSlayer Bowl-W
7 2016 SEC 6 7 0 .462 3 5 0 .375 1.68 2.76 Dan Mullen (6-7) St. Petersburg Bowl-W
8 2015 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 13.59 4.74 20 Dan Mullen (9-4) Belk Bowl-W
9 2014 SEC 10 3 0 .769 6 2 0 .750 15.04 4.81 1 11 Dan Mullen (10-3) Orange Bowl-L
10 2013 SEC 7 6 0 .538 3 5 0 .375 7.72 6.95 Dan Mullen (7-6) Liberty Bowl-W
11 2012 SEC 8 5 0 .615 4 4 0 .500 6.15 2.99 13 Dan Mullen (8-5) Gator Bowl-L
12 2011 SEC 7 6 0 .538 2 6 0 .250 5.13 2.52 20 16 Dan Mullen (7-6) Music City Bowl-W
13 2010 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 9.11 2.96 15 15 Dan Mullen (9-4) Gator Bowl-W
14 2009 SEC 5 7 0 .417 3 5 0 .375 5.76 7.93 Dan Mullen (5-7)
15 2008 SEC 4 8 0 .333 2 6 0 .250 -5.00 1.75 Sylvester Croom (4-8)
16 2007 SEC 8 5 0 .615 4 4 0 .500 4.84 4.22 Sylvester Croom (8-5) Liberty Bowl-W
17 2006 SEC 3 9 0 .250 1 7 0 .125 -2.64 4.86 Sylvester Croom (3-9)
18 2005 SEC 3 8 0 .273 1 7 0 .125 -7.03 1.43 Sylvester Croom (3-8)
19 2004 SEC 3 8 0 .273 2 6 0 .250 -6.97 0.67 Sylvester Croom (3-8)
20 2003 SEC 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -9.53 4.88 Jackie Sherrill (2-10)
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
21 2002 SEC 3 9 0 .250 0 8 0 .000 -7.28 2.55 Jackie Sherrill (3-9)
22 2001 SEC 3 8 0 .273 2 6 0 .250 1.65 7.10 20 17 Jackie Sherrill (3-8)

[msstate7]

Where you see 8 wins?

[99jc]

so you think we lose both egg bowl and bowl game?

[Offshore Dawg]

so you think we lose both egg bowl and bowl game?

I think that is as of today, with two regular season games to go.

[msstate7]

so you think we lose both egg bowl and bowl game?

We will be a 7-8 pt dog at OM. Who knows who we play in bowl? We've been horrible the last 2 bowl games under leach, but maybe we get another tulsa that's even worse

[Coach34]

so you think we lose both egg bowl and bowl game?

Yes. Thanks to Kentucky losing we may end up in the damn Music City now playing another P5. Also, dont forget about the opt-outs. Forbes will likely sit as will a couple others.

[Maroonthirteen]

Yep. You're right. People see a school in state with similar resources doing more. So they want to do more.

However what's ironic. You say "OM is winning so what. State can't win more because of history." Ooookay.

[Leroy Jenkins]

The last 22 years We have had 4 years with a record of better than 8-5 which is most likely where we are this season. (maybe 9-4) you all are butt hurt because of ole miss record this season get over it.

The money we are spending now is not comparable to 22 years ago, the results shouldn't be either.

[Cooterpoot]

Damn, just damn. Only a State fan wants to settle for the past. And people wonder why we've got a problem.

[Really Clark?]

The last 22 years We have had 4 years with a record of better than 8-5 which is most likely where we are this season. (maybe 9-4) you all are butt hurt because of ole miss record this season get over it.



Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
1 2022 SEC 6 4 0 .600 3 4 0 .429 10.80 6.30 16 Mike Leach (6-4)
2 2021 SEC 7 6 0 .538 4 4 0 .500 5.01 3.48 Mike Leach (7-6) Liberty Bowl-L
3 2020 SEC 4 7 0 .364 3 7 0 .300 3.94 8.67 16 Mike Leach (4-7) Armed Forces Bowl-W
4 2019 SEC 6 7 0 .462 3 5 0 .375 4.87 5.95 Joe Moorhead (6-7) Music City Bowl-L
5 2018 SEC 8 5 0 .615 4 4 0 .500 13.24 5.93 18 14 Joe Moorhead (8-5) Outback Bowl-L
6 2017 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 11.85 3.85 16 19 Dan Mullen (8-4), Greg Knox (1-0) TaxSlayer Bowl-W
7 2016 SEC 6 7 0 .462 3 5 0 .375 1.68 2.76 Dan Mullen (6-7) St. Petersburg Bowl-W
8 2015 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 13.59 4.74 20 Dan Mullen (9-4) Belk Bowl-W
9 2014 SEC 10 3 0 .769 6 2 0 .750 15.04 4.81 1 11 Dan Mullen (10-3) Orange Bowl-L
10 2013 SEC 7 6 0 .538 3 5 0 .375 7.72 6.95 Dan Mullen (7-6) Liberty Bowl-W
11 2012 SEC 8 5 0 .615 4 4 0 .500 6.15 2.99 13 Dan Mullen (8-5) Gator Bowl-L
12 2011 SEC 7 6 0 .538 2 6 0 .250 5.13 2.52 20 16 Dan Mullen (7-6) Music City Bowl-W
13 2010 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 9.11 2.96 15 15 Dan Mullen (9-4) Gator Bowl-W
14 2009 SEC 5 7 0 .417 3 5 0 .375 5.76 7.93 Dan Mullen (5-7)
15 2008 SEC 4 8 0 .333 2 6 0 .250 -5.00 1.75 Sylvester Croom (4-8)
16 2007 SEC 8 5 0 .615 4 4 0 .500 4.84 4.22 Sylvester Croom (8-5) Liberty Bowl-W
17 2006 SEC 3 9 0 .250 1 7 0 .125 -2.64 4.86 Sylvester Croom (3-9)
18 2005 SEC 3 8 0 .273 1 7 0 .125 -7.03 1.43 Sylvester Croom (3-8)
19 2004 SEC 3 8 0 .273 2 6 0 .250 -6.97 0.67 Sylvester Croom (3-8)
20 2003 SEC 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -9.53 4.88 Jackie Sherrill (2-10)
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
21 2002 SEC 3 9 0 .250 0 8 0 .000 -7.28 2.55 Jackie Sherrill (3-9)
22 2001 SEC 3 8 0 .273 2 6 0 .250 1.65 7.10 20 17 Jackie Sherrill (3-8)

I think it has to do with those 4 times happened in 9 years under Mullen.

[dawgman15]

I think people are mad because our defense has been holding us in games. Our offense is putrid especially over our last 4 games. My fire for the season is gone now so I won't look but I want to know how many points our offense averages since SEC play I dont want the defensive touchdowns or special teams touchdowns included.

[Coach34]

Damn, just damn. Only a State fan wants to settle for the past. And people wonder why we've got a problem.

We didnt win an Egg Bowl from 1947 to 1963 so we cant win it this year

[Coach34]

I think people are mad because our defense has been holding us in games. Our offense is putrid especially over our last 4 games. My fire for the season is gone now so I won't look but I want to know how many points our offense averages since SEC play I dont want the defensive touchdowns or special teams touchdowns included.

With defense and ST TD's- 8th in the SEC at 25.6
Without defense and ST TD's- 22.5 PPG in conference

[msstate7]

With defense and ST TD's- 8th in the SEC at 25.6
Without defense and ST TD's- 22.5 PPG in conference

Our defense/ST account for 12.1% of our sec scoring? Lmao

[Coach34]

Our defense/ST account for 12.1% of our sec scoring? Lmao

9th in the SEC in Total Offense conference only with Mississippi left and in potential bad weather.

[DownwardDawg]

Sigh......

How about some of us want to be better? I wouldn't be as successful in life if I just looked at the leadership before me and said "Hey, I can perform that well".

[DownwardDawg]

Damn, just damn. Only a State fan wants to settle for the past. And people wonder why we've got a problem.

Exactly

[Leeshouldveflanked]

The money we are spending now is not comparable to 22 years ago, the results shouldn't be either.
With the new SEC deal, there is no reason we cant be a consistent top 20-25 program with a top 10 possible occasionally. We need Leadership at AD and a coach that can get the fans/students behind him.

[Commercecomet24]

ED has become like watching congress, extremists on both sides with the truth somewhere in the middle.

[Quaoarsking]

We will be a 7-8 pt dog at OM. Who knows who we play in bowl? We've been horrible the last 2 bowl games under leach, but maybe we get another tulsa that's even worse

This is a great example of how I'm a Leach Centrist, but I just seem to be super-pro because so many people here will do anything they can to revise history and belittle Leach. We were widely expected to lose to that ranked Tulsa team, and it was a good win for us. But any time Leach has a good game, even day 1 when he beat the defending national champions on the road, people will be looking to downplay it.

Beat a big name team who's a little down? Doesn't count! But if you beat a team without a big name who was better than usual that year, it also doesn't count because only big name wins are good!

[Commercecomet24]

This is a great example of how I'm a Leach Centrist, but I just seem to be super-pro because so many people here will do anything they can to revise history and belittle Leach. We were widely expected to lose to that ranked Tulsa team, and it was a good win for us. But any time Leach has a good game, even day 1 when he beat the defending national champions on the road, people will be looking to downplay it.

Beat a big name team who's a little down? Doesn't count! But if you beat a team without a big name who was better than usual that year, it also doesn't count because only big name wins are good!

Accurate post but this goes back as long as I remember. When State beats a good team it's only because they were down not because we were just better. Heck i remember people saying after we beat bama in 1980 it was only because they were having a "down " year. We just can't seem to enjoy wins, no matter who its against ( personally I enjoy every win because I know how hard it is to win and the work it takes).

[DownwardDawg]

ED has become like watching congress, extremists on both sides with the truth somewhere in the middle.

Lol. Awesome!!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Commercecomet24 again

[msstate7]

This is a great example of how I'm a Leach Centrist, but I just seem to be super-pro because so many people here will do anything they can to revise history and belittle Leach. We were widely expected to lose to that ranked Tulsa team, and it was a good win for us. But any time Leach has a good game, even day 1 when he beat the defending national champions on the road, people will be looking to downplay it.

Beat a big name team who's a little down? Doesn't count! But if you beat a team without a big name who was better than usual that year, it also doesn't count because only big name wins are good!

Both those teams were terrible. That game was awful

ETA...
State total offense - 271 yds
Penalties - 11 for 102 yds

And we won. That should tell you everything you need to know about the quality of our opponent

[DownwardDawg]

This is a great example of how I'm a Leach Centrist, but I just seem to be super-pro because so many people here will do anything they can to revise history and belittle Leach. We were widely expected to lose to that ranked Tulsa team, and it was a good win for us. But any time Leach has a good game, even day 1 when he beat the defending national champions on the road, people will be looking to downplay it.

Beat a big name team who's a little down? Doesn't count! But if you beat a team without a big name who was better than usual that year, it also doesn't count because only big name wins are good!

Great post!! I hate that crap too. When we beat LSU, Florida, etc.... I hate hearing State fans downplay it. Hell I have family that commented how Florida must suck when we beat them. That drives me crazy. Ole Miss hangs banners for that same accomplishment and sings it to the rooftops! When we win games like that, even Arkansas and aTm this year I enjoy the hail out of it.
The Kentucky loss is the game that's killing me on leach. That and how bad our offense sucks against good defenses.

[BiscuitEater]

The money we are spending now is not comparable to 22 years ago, the results shouldn't be either.

Look at what the 'other 13' teams in the SEC are spending NOW! Compare that too.

[SailingDawg]

Damn, just damn. Only a State fan wants to settle for the past. And people wonder why we've got a problem.

It?s not just the past, it?s where we are in relation to other SEC schools each year. Student population, athletic budget, and alumni support are the three factors that, compared to top tier SEC schools, will always keep us where we are in football: mid to low tier.

[mparkerfd20]

Here's Ole Miss for comparison. They have had 8 in that same time period and only 9 losing seasons where we've had 11. So stop calling them little brother. WE are the definition of little brother in every sense of the word.

Overall Conference SRS Polls
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
1 2022 SEC 8 2 0 .800 4 2 0 .667 11.20 1.70 21 7 Lane Kiffin (8-2)
2 2021 SEC 10 3 0 .769 6 2 0 .750 11.43 4.05 8 11 Lane Kiffin (10-3) Sugar Bowl-L
3 2020 SEC 5 5 0 .500 4 5 0 .444 8.07 7.57 Lane Kiffin (5-5) Outback Bowl-W
4 2019 SEC 4 8 0 .333 2 6 0 .250 2.24 3.82 Matt Luke (4-8)
5 2018 SEC 5 7 0 .417 1 7 0 .125 2.81 4.39 Matt Luke (5-7)
6 2017 SEC 6 6 0 .500 3 5 0 .375 2.78 1.44 Matt Luke (6-6)
7 2016 SEC 5 7 0 .417 2 6 0 .250 4.74 5.83 11 11 Hugh Freeze (5-7) record adjusted to 0-7-0 by NCAA
8 2015 SEC 10 3 0 .769 6 2 0 .750 14.42 4.42 17 3 10 Hugh Freeze (10-3) Sugar Bowl-W
9 2014 SEC 9 4 0 .692 5 3 0 .625 16.80 8.11 18 3 17 Hugh Freeze (9-4) Peach Bowl-L record adjusted to 1-4-0 by NCAA
10 2013 SEC 8 5 0 .615 3 5 0 .375 10.42 5.89 21 Hugh Freeze (8-5) Music City Bowl-W record adjusted to 1-5-0 by NCAA
11 2012 SEC 7 6 0 .538 3 5 0 .375 8.43 5.20 Hugh Freeze (7-6) BBVA Compass Bowl-W record adjusted to 0-6-0 by NCAA
12 2011 SEC 2 10 0 .167 0 8 0 .000 -6.71 5.79 Houston Nutt (2-10) record adjusted to 0-10-0 by NCAA
13 2010 SEC 4 8 0 .333 1 7 0 .125 -1.83 2.09 Houston Nutt (4-8) record adjusted to 0-8-0 by NCAA
14 2009 SEC 9 4 0 .692 4 4 0 .500 11.50 2.50 8 4 20 Houston Nutt (9-4) Cotton Bowl-W
15 2008 SEC 9 4 0 .692 5 3 0 .625 12.11 3.18 14 14 Houston Nutt (9-4) Cotton Bowl-W
16 2007 SEC 3 9 0 .250 0 8 0 .000 -1.31 6.11 Ed Orgeron (3-9)
17 2006 SEC 4 8 0 .333 2 6 0 .250 -1.74 4.59 Ed Orgeron (4-8)
18 2005 SEC 3 8 0 .273 1 7 0 .125 -7.48 0.52 Ed Orgeron (3-8)
19 2004 SEC 4 7 0 .364 3 5 0 .375 -2.17 2.93 David Cutcliffe (4-7)
20 2003 SEC 10 3 0 .769 7 1 0 .875 10.99 2.53 13 13 David Cutcliffe (10-3) Cotton Bowl-W
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
21 2002 SEC 7 6 0 .538 3 5 0 .375 4.44 3.13 21 David Cutcliffe (7-6) Independence Bowl-W
22 2001 SEC 7 4 0 .636 4 4 0 .500 5.64 -0.18 David Cutcliffe (7-4)

[DownwardDawg]

It?s not just the past, it?s where we are in relation to other SEC schools each year. Student population, athletic budget, and alumni support are the three factors that, compared to top tier SEC schools, will always keep us where we are in football: mid to low tier.

We have to get passed this mindset. How much do we get from the SEC now? We had the money to build the nations nicest baseball stadium. We have plenty of money. It has to be managed correctly. We suck at advertising. We suck at NIL. We can do better at transfer portal. We can hire coaches that actually "fit" Mississippi State.
We have plenty of money and resources to do so much better than we do now. It's called leadership.

[99jc]

look i am all for winning i thought we would win 9-10 games this year but realistically that's a long shot every year. i do think we are a running qb and a great WR from being really good

[confucius say]

9th in the SEC in Total Offense conference only with Mississippi left and in potential bad weather.

Is our defense top 9?

[confucius say]

Sigh......

How about some of us want to be better? I wouldn't be as successful in life if I just looked at the leadership before me and said "Hey, I can perform that well".

It's an easy concept. We don't have as good of players as the better schools. Doesn't matter the coach as long as he's competent. When we have a nfl qb we went 10-2 and 8-4. Other than that Dan was below a 7-5 coach. Now leach is a 7-5 coach.

I wonder how many people complaining on here are giving at least 50-100 bucks a month to NIL to get those players. If you're not, you have no right to complain, because if 5,000 of us did that we'd have 3 million a year and more talent.

[confucius say]

Both those teams were terrible. That game was awful

ETA...
State total offense - 271 yds
Penalties - 11 for 102 yds

And we won. That should tell you everything you need to know about the quality of our opponent

It was 30 degrees with 15 mph winds and sleeting. It was a defensive game and we won.

[KOdawg1]

I didn't read all that.

[Percho]

look i am all for winning i thought we would win 9-10 games this year but realistically that's a long shot every year. i do think we are a running qb and a great WR from being really good

Where I am different from most on here, I believe one of the Texas boys will beat oiut Will as starter next year and I also did not expect that to happen this year as a freshman/redshirt freshman.

If anyone does not believe Leach wants to win here, I do not know what to tell you. Coach is building a team and that takes time, more so at MSU. We are getting better skill players IMHO than in the past.

[msstate7]

It was 30 degrees with 15 mph winds and sleeting. It was a defensive game and we won.

They had 484 total yards in the cold

[Coach34]

It's an easy concept. We don't have as good of players as the better schools. Doesn't matter the coach as long as he's competent. When we have a nfl qb we went 10-2 and 8-4. Other than that Dan was below a 7-5 coach. Now leach is a 7-5 coach.

.

Chris Ralph and Tyler "wounded Giraffe" Russell went 8-4 under Mullen

[Homedawg]

The money we are spending now is not comparable to 22 years ago, the results shouldn't be either.

While this is correct, problem is our competition is spending more money too. Everyone in the league spends a ton of money. WE have the second lowest budget.

[Homedawg]

We have to get passed this mindset. How much do we get from the SEC now? We had the money to build the nations nicest baseball stadium. We have plenty of money. It has to be managed correctly. We suck at advertising. We suck at NIL. We can do better at transfer portal. We can hire coaches that actually "fit" Mississippi State.
We have plenty of money and resources to do so much better than we do now. It's called leadership.

And so does every other team in the league. That's the point. EVerybody wants to win at every place.

[confucius say]

They had 484 total yards in the cold

Yep. And 26 points. Two less than us.

[msstate7]

Yep. And 26 points. Two less than us.

One of our all time greatest wins for sure. That Tulsa team minus their best player was a monster

[confucius say]

Chris Ralph and Tyler "wounded Giraffe" Russell went 8-4 under Mullen

Yep. They both went 6-6 too in 2011 and 2013. And it took Dak helping Russell in 2013 or we don't get to 6-6.
Even so, 7-5 average with those two.

[Quaoarsking]

Yep. And 26 points. Two less than us.

Points are all that matters unless other stats help your case. (And I can admit I'm a little but guilty of this myself.)

[confucius say]

One of our all time greatest wins for sure. That Tulsa team minus their best player was a monster

Ha. No they were meh. We just weren't good either.

[confucius say]

Points are all that matters unless other stats help your case. (And I can admit I'm a little but guilty of this myself.)

Ha. Same.

[msstate7]

Points are all that matters unless other stats help your case. (And I can admit I'm a little but guilty of this myself.)

If you talking 1 game samples, sure points are all that matter. You can't count on winning games where you have 100 yds of penalties and less than 300 yds of offense (200 less than the opp)... that's not sustainable

[Coach34]

Is our defense top 9?

7th in Total D

[Coach34]

Yep. They both went 6-6 too in 2011 and 2013. And it took Dak helping Russell in 2013 or we don't get to 6-6.
Even so, 7-5 average with those two.

We went 6-6 in 2011 and 6-6 in 2013 due to losing a large amount of starters from 2010 and 2012. We led the SEC in returning starters this season. Huge difference

[msstate7]

We went 6-6 in 2011 and 6-6 in 2013 due to losing a large amount of starters from 2010 and 2012. We led the SEC in returning starters this season. Huge difference

Who leads sec in returning starters this season?

[R2Dawg]

ED has become like watching congress, extremists on both sides with the truth somewhere in the middle.

The truth is in the middle but it ain't the 50% middle. It ain't in congress either.

Some make getting along the highest standard but that ain't the standard. Some things are wrong and some are right. That may be extreme to some but truth is true whether anyone believes it or not. I'm talking other stuff now mostly but some folks can't handle a little truth either.

[confucius say]

7th in Total D

Not horrible. Of course points is what matters. Scoring?

[SilentSteel16]

Just going to put this out there for everyone wanting CML gone one way or the other.

You can kiss Robertson, whoever that 4 star last year was, and Parson GOODBYE, might even lose one of them to Ole Miss or TAM. Because they sure aren’t going to UTexas.

So not only does your cupboard become bare, you get to play against them. Not to mention losing several of your other commits ( whom most of you say are not SEC level to begin with.)

More than likely with CML gone UNLESS you hire Arnett to replace him as HC, he is gone along with you guessed it his players.

Some of you can’t see the forest for the trees and can’t see past yesterday. Give it a rest…

[confucius say]

We went 6-6 in 2011 and 6-6 in 2013 due to losing a large amount of starters from 2010 and 2012. We led the SEC in returning starters this season. Huge difference

What? We returned 16 starters in 2011 and were preseason top 20.

[confucius say]

Who leads sec in returning starters this season?

The worst recruiter in the west and bottom 3 in the league.

[msu15]

Got to love when someone with a low iQ tries to call other people ignorant. Thanks for the laugh!

[KentuckyDawg13]

This limited perspective (your 2001-present chart) is so flawed, it signifies complacency and defeatism.

[CadaverDawg]

Damn, just damn. Only a State fan wants to settle for the past. And people wonder why we've got a problem.

This. What a loser mentality by 99jc. My family was poor growing up, so I shouldn't expect to be anything other than poor too.

This thread is EXACTLY what's wrong at State.

[Coach34]

What? We returned 16 starters in 2011 and were preseason top 20.

We lost lineman because we had Clausell and Dillon Day starting on the OL
We lost White and Wright at LB...no McPhee

[CadaverDawg]

Just going to put this out there for everyone wanting CML gone one way or the other.

You can kiss Robertson, whoever that 4 star last year was, and Parson GOODBYE, might even lose one of them to Ole Miss or TAM. Because they sure aren’t going to UTexas.

So not only does your cupboard become bare, you get to play against them. Not to mention losing several of your other commits ( whom most of you say are not SEC level to begin with.)

More than likely with CML gone UNLESS you hire Arnett to replace him as HC, he is gone along with you guessed it his players.

Some of you can’t see the forest for the trees and can’t see past yesterday. Give it a rest…

Who cares? The portal giveth, the portal taketh away. Plus, we clearly aren't going to see any of those "studs" anyway bc Rogers will be our starter for 10 years. They'll likely end up starting for another program anyway.

You don't use a single recruit or a recruiting class as a reason to keep a coach that can't get you to your goals.

[confucius say]

We lost lineman because we had Clausell and Dillon Day starting on the OL
We lost White and Wright at LB...no McPhee

We returned 3 OL and all DL except McPhee, including Cox and Boyd. 16 starters. One site I found said 15. Including our qb. And went 6-6 thanks to getting a 2-10 Mississippi.

[Commercecomet24]

The truth is in the middle but it ain't the 50% middle. It ain't in congress either.

Some make getting along the highest standard but that ain't the standard. Some things are wrong and some are right. That may be extreme to some but truth is true whether anyone believes it or not. I'm talking other stuff now mostly but some folks can't handle a little truth either.

Theres a lot of people can't handle the truth, however if you can't step back and look at someone else's perspective, you leave yourself no room for growth or learning

[HancockCountyDog]

I think it needs to be taken into consideration how much our OOC opponents have gone in the tank the last 5-6 years. Now this is a good thing, but every MSU coach the last 5-6 years starts with 4 wins every season, unless they do something extremely stupid.

My concern is that we lose some war daddies on the line after this year, Wheat especially. He is very underrated. The guy is a damn monster.

[Ranchdawg]

This. What a loser mentality by 99jc. My family was poor growing up, so I shouldn't expect to be anything other than poor too.

This thread is EXACTLY what's wrong at State.

Exactly, ^^^^^^^^^This a million times It drives me crazy that we MSU are so deadgum worried about wanting better. For God Sakes what if we had this attitude in baseball. Would we ever won a Natty?

And every reason NIL money number of fans facilities water boys aren?t tall enough are excuses and just that excuses. Devise a plan stick to it get a coach that is hard nosed that puts a product on the field that at least gives you a chance to win against the haves of this conference a coach that will rally the fan base and endure himself to the students

[Quaoarsking]

Devise a plan stick to it get a coach that is hard nosed that puts a product on the field that at least gives you a chance to win against the haves of this conference a coach that will rally the fan base and endure himself to the students

Leach has already done that, and it's still not enough for a lot of our fans. Same story with Mullen. If we make a good hire, it will be the same story with the next guy, or else it will be someone worse.

[confucius say]

I think it needs to be taken into consideration how much our OOC opponents have gone in the tank the last 5-6 years. Now this is a good thing, but every MSU coach the last 5-6 years starts with 4 wins every season, unless they do something extremely stupid.

My concern is that we lose some war daddies on the line after this year, Wheat especially. He is very underrated. The guy is a damn monster.

Nc state was 9-3 last year. We'll see if AZ makes a bowl.

[BrunswickDawg]

Nc state was 9-3 last year. We'll see if AZ makes a bowl.

They may not make a bowl - but they knocked off a top 10 ranked UCLA Saturday.

[DownwardDawg]

This. What a loser mentality by 99jc. My family was poor growing up, so I shouldn't expect to be anything other than poor too.

This thread is EXACTLY what's wrong at State.

This

[Liverpooldawg]

The money we are spending now is not comparable to 22 years ago, the results shouldn't be either.

The level of money we spend compared to the other SEC schools is still about where it was then. We spend a lot more, but they do too. The level is higher, but the gap is about the same.

[Turfdawg67]

Where you see 8 wins?

2022... possibly. Especially if Laney is negotiating all week long prior to EB. Then 9 wins possible with a bowl win.

[msstate7]

2022... possibly. Especially if Laney is negotiating all week long prior to EB. Then 9 wins possible with a bowl win.

Hopefully he is doing a mullen impression

[TrapGame]

Hopefully he is doing a mullen impression

There's a rumor going around some boards that Sexton is lobbying A&M hard to can Jimbo for Lane. Just a rumor but mighty interesting.

[msstate7]

There's a rumor going around some boards that Sexton is lobbying A&M hard to can Jimbo for Lane. Just a rumor but mighty interesting.

Lane with their money would be a problem

[dawgday166]

Lane with their money would be a problem

Naw, he sucks.

[Turfdawg67]

Jimbo and their money was gonna be dangerous too. For most it's hard to get motivated when you are making $10M / yr and guaranteed $100M. Not that many Saban's out there... uber-rich and motivated.

[SailingDawg]

We have to get passed this mindset. How much do we get from the SEC now? We had the money to build the nations nicest baseball stadium. We have plenty of money. It has to be managed correctly. We suck at advertising. We suck at NIL. We can do better at transfer portal. We can hire coaches that actually "fit" Mississippi State.
We have plenty of money and resources to do so much better than we do now. It's called leadership.

Name one team with comparable budget and student population that has won a National Championship in football.

It?s not a loser mentality, it?s just facts.

[yjnkdawg]

There's a rumor going around some boards that Sexton is lobbying A&M hard to can Jimbo for Lane. Just a rumor but mighty interesting.

That's weird that Sexton would be looking to can one of his own clients. Unless there was some way that Jimbo would get the buyout money and then Sexton get him another gig and Jimbo be able to keep most or all of the buyout money. Whoever gets Kiffin is going to have to pay $11 million or more per year with a 8 to 9 year contract (which OM can't do on the 8 to 9 years). Kiffin doesn't like MS' law that won't allow over a 4 year contract.

[msstate7]

I don't what happened to jimbo. I thought he was getting it cranked up in 2020 - top 5 finish. He has since crash and burned. I think he gets next year bc of his contract, but he deserves to be fired

[dawgman15]

Name one team with comparable budget and student population that has won a National Championship in football.

It?s not a loser mentality, it?s just facts.

I think Clemson is close to us in size. Not sure on how much of budget they have

[msstate7]

Name one team with comparable budget and student population that has won a National Championship in football.

It?s not a loser mentality, it?s just facts.

I think our fanbase would be happy somewhere less than a natty. OM isn't getting close to a natty, but every state fan in the world would be thrilled with their results under lane

[Quaoarsking]

I think our fanbase would be happy somewhere less than a natty. OM isn't getting close to a natty, but every state fan in the world would be thrilled with their results under lane

Not if Leach were the coach doing it. He would be more popular than now, but still not particularly close to 100% approval.

[yjnkdawg]

I don't what happened to jimbo. I thought he was getting it cranked up in 2020 - top 5 finish. He has since crash and burned. I think he gets next year bc of his contract, but he deserves to be fired

Apparently TAMU actually did FSU a favor when they offered Jimbo the job. Word was that Jimbo didn't want to change (modernize) his program which wasn't working and he ticked off a few influential people and they wanted Taggart. UF wanted FSU to keep Jimbo because they were afraid Taggart would affect their recruiting.

[TrapGame]

That's weird that Sexton would be looking to can one of his own clients. Unless there was some way that Jimbo would get the buyout money and then Sexton get him another gig and Jimbo be able to keep most or all of the buyout money. Whoever gets Kiffin is going to have to pay $11 million or more per year with a 8 to 9 year contract (which OM can't do on the 8 to 9 years). Kiffin doesn't like MS' law that won't allow over a 4 year contract.

Sexton makes his money either way.

[msstate7]

Not if Leach were the coach doing it. He would be more popular than now, but still not particularly close to 100% approval.

Completely ridiculous

Lane 23-10 (14-9)
Leach 17-17 (10-15)

Lane is winning sec games at a higher winning % than mullen won overall here. We would all be thrilled

[yjnkdawg]

Sexton makes his money either way.

If Sexton wasn't going to do what was best for all of his clients that negative word would travel quickly. But as you said, Sexton will make his money.

[Quaoarsking]

Completely ridiculous

Lane 23-10 (14-9)
Leach 17-17 (10-15)

Lane is winning sec games at a higher winning % than mullen won overall here. We would all be thrilled

You and I would, sure, but the "fans" who were dismissive after we beat LSU on day 1 were never going to come around.

[EdwardDrayton]

That thread title in the corporate world would get you a week?s worth of remedial communications training and a stern performance evaluation warning for ?vexatious and obtrusive? behavior.

[confucius say]

I think our fanbase would be happy somewhere less than a natty. OM isn't getting close to a natty, but every state fan in the world would be thrilled with their results under lane

I would think you're right. But Dan went 10-2 and then 8-4 (we will see where lane finishes this year after his 10-2 last year) and we wanted Dan gone. I pressed C34 and told him we could not fire Dan and he said he would prefer Dan just leave on his own.

[Catfish]

I would think you're right. But Dan went 10-2 and then 8-4 (we will see where lane finishes this year after his 10-2 last year) and we wanted Dan gone. I pressed C34 and told him we could not fire Dan and he said he would prefer Dan just leave on his own.

LOL, wait a minute!! C34 wanted Dan the Man fired? And then said he would prefer Dan would leave on his own. Isn't that what he's doing with Leach now?

[yjnkdawg]

LOL, wait a minute!! C34 wanted Dan the Man fired? And then said he would prefer Dan would leave on his own. Isn't that what he's doing with Leach now?

Dan wanted to leave way before he actually did. So I guess Dan and C34 agreed on the latter. lol

[confucius say]

Dan wanted to leave way before he actually did. So I guess Dan and C34 agreed on the latter. lol

And lane has been trying to leave since he got to Oxford. He begged for the Miami job last year. No difference. But they would be fools to want him to leave.

[confucius say]

LOL, wait a minute!! C34 wanted Dan the Man fired? And then said he would prefer Dan would leave on his own. Isn't that what he's doing with Leach now?

Yep. And again, leach is flawed and wasn't my choice. But he has us as a 7-5 program without a playmaker at qb. He could have us as an 8-4 if he gets the qb position right.
People forget will was never intended to be the guy. He's a stop gap. One of the highly rated guys has to take over soon.

[KOdawg1]

Yep. And again, leach is flawed and wasn't my choice. But he has us as a 7-5 program without a playmaker at qb. He could have us as an 8-4 if he gets the qb position right.
People forget will was never intended to be the guy. He's a stop gap. One of the highly rated guys has to take over soon.

Well Leach needs to hurry and go with a different QB next year because another mediocre season with a 4th egg bowl loss probably ends it for him.

[Homedawg]

Well Leach needs to hurry and go with a different QB next year because another mediocre season with a 4th egg bowl loss probably ends it for him.

Well, sawyer and Locke better improve a hell of a lot then. Otherwise # 2 will be the qb

[yjnkdawg]

Well Leach needs to hurry and go with a different QB next year because another mediocre season with a 4th egg bowl loss probably ends it for him.

CML is going to go with the QB, who has the best pass accuracy and who he thinks understands and can run his offense the best.

[dawgday166]

LOL, wait a minute!! C34 wanted Dan the Man fired? And then said he would prefer Dan would leave on his own. Isn't that what he's doing with Leach now?

Lol ... I think you know, or should know by now, that's what he does with every coach.

[BrunswickDawg]

I think Clemson is close to us in size. Not sure on how much of budget they have

Clemson has 26,000 students - so slightly larger.
IPTAY has over 18,000 donors which dwarfs the Bulldog Club.
The athletic dept has a $123m budget (ours is $112m)

Football spends $48m(we spend $22.9n)

[msstate7]

Clemson has 26,000 students - so slightly larger.
IPTAY has over 18,000 donors which dwarfs the Bulldog Club.
The athletic dept has a $123m budget (ours is $112m)

Football spends $48m(we spend $22.9n)

I'm sure all those numbers have gone up the last 5 years. It would be interesting to see though numbers before they hit it big.

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm sure all those numbers have gone up the last 5 years. It would be interesting to see though numbers before they hit it big.

Clemson started IPTAY in 1934. They have traditionally had a well funded program

https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/acc/clemson-university

[Coach34]

LOL, wait a minute!! C34 wanted Dan the Man fired? And then said he would prefer Dan would leave on his own. Isn't that what he's doing with Leach now?

No. Not once did I ever say we should fire Mullen.

[Goldendawg]

One of our all time greatest wins for sure. That Tulsa team minus their best player was a monster

And don't forget, "Kung Foo Heath" not only won the post game brawl by himself, but also won a Grammy for his video of the event from the safety of our locker room. A point of MSU pride for all involved with our program.******

[msstate7]

And don't forget, "Kung Foo Heath" not only won the post game brawl by himself, but also won a Grammy for his video of the event from the safety of our locker room. A point of MSU pride for all involved with our program.******

That Heath kick shoulda been the exact moment we all knew he was truly a rebel deep down

[Goldendawg]

That Heath kick shoulda been the exact moment we all knew he was truly a rebel deep down

Looking back, we should have tried him at punter or kicker after that in 2021. Might have solved our ST woes!****

[confucius say]

No. Not once did I ever say we should fire Mullen.

You wanted him gone. I told you we couldn't because we would be the laughing stock of cfb. You argued for a while and said you would prefer he left and was no longer our coach. You did this after multiple years, including 2015.

[lastmajordog]

del

[Coach34]

You wanted him gone. I told you we couldn't because we would be the laughing stock of cfb. You argued for a while and said you would prefer he left and was no longer our coach. You did this after multiple years, including 2015.

I always said we could not fire him. His coaching was never the issue with me. I defended the hell out of him in 2013 when people around here were calling for his head. But I was ready for him to go after 2015 and his ordeal with Miami. The constant shopping during Egg Bowl week got old. But repeat- not once did I ever say he should be fired.

[HoopsDawg]

Looking at the post title......should the “DOGS” just accept not wanting better?

I don't feel like reading this thread but we are somewhere around 30th in the country as far as athetic budget, value, etc. With our fertile recruiting territory and the new SEC deal coming soon, you could make a strong case we are a Top 25 program. That's night and day from 20-30 years ago. So any analysis of who we are has to start with that. It's very easy to go 6-6 at MSU these days. In Rocky Felker or Jackie's day, it was hard as hell to go 6-5. We weren't much different than USM.

So anytime some idiot poster talks about our past, I immediately tune out. It's not that relevant.

[confucius say]

I always said we could not fire him. His coaching was never the issue with me. I defended the hell out of him in 2013 when people around here were calling for his head. But I was ready for him to go after 2015 and his ordeal with Miami. The constant shopping during Egg Bowl week got old. But repeat- not once did I ever say he should be fired.

I know it was his job shopping that irked you the most.
But my point was contrast that with lane and OM fans. Lane wanted Miami last year and is looking to get out now, but OM fans dont want him to go. Nor should they.

[CadaverDawg]

Not if Leach were the coach doing it. He would be more popular than now, but still not particularly close to 100% approval.

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

[Quaoarsking]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

When has "every single fan" ever agreed on anything?

[BrunswickDawg]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

Lemonis got us that Natty in your footnote and people wanted him gone this season.

[msstate7]

Lemonis got us that Natty in your footnote and people wanted him gone this season.

Has lane had a flop season like that at OM? If OM went 4-8 under lane next season, there would be OM fans calling for him to be fired.

[BrunswickDawg]

Has lane had a flop season like that at OM? If OM went 4-8 under lane next season, there would be OM fans calling for him to be fired.

First, 26-30 in baseball is more like 5-7.

Second, if Dart, Altmeyer, the FR RB, and Mingo all got injured and they went 4-8 or 5-7 OM would hang a banner and proclaim themselves the winningest most injured team ever, and that their coach was still a genius because they ran the Wild Rebel offense to adapt. That is how they are wired.

[BeardoMSU]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results.

Its not just Kiffin results, but rather some semblance of upward trajectory. Realistically, I think we all knew Kiffin was set up for much quicker success than Mike was just due to scheme/roster. I was excited to see Mike's offense here and was hopeful it would work; even after the ups and downs of 2020 and '21. The best option for all involved was for it to work. However, now in year 3, the offense is clearly regressing in several areas, most notably WR and QB. And it's the inconsistencies and seemingly total lack of adjustments that are especially frustrating. The OL play this year has mostly been a pleasant surprise, but the entire gimmick of this offense is pretty much void if we can't move the ****ing ball.

And obviously it's not just against teams like Bama and Georgia, but just how pitiful we always look week to week. Again: consistency. Clearly KY was a BAAAAAD loss. At the time, LSU was an ugly loss, and at worst a game we pissed away...bc the offense was anemic, as it often is; a trademark for Leach at MSU. That 11 possession stretch against Auburn was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

It's also a sign of things hearing how ****ing tone-deaf Mike is when he bitches about players and "their fat little girlfriends", how the team is scared of Bama's uniform (not a problem for the D, apparently, according to Arnett), how some players aren't hungry, etc....as if he isn't the one putting them on the field and calling the plays.

[Cooterpoot]

Lemonis got us that Natty in your footnote and people wanted him gone this season.

Nobody but less than a handful of idiots who probably aren't even State fans wanted Lemonis fired. There's a huge difference. Your take is silly.

[basedog]

Its not just Kiffin results, but rather some semblance of upward trajectory. Realistically, I think we all knew Kiffin was set up for much quicker success than Mike was just due to scheme/roster. I was excited to see Mike's offense here and was hopeful it would work; even after the ups and downs of 2020 and '21. The best option for all involved was for it to work. However, now in year 3, the offense is clearly regressing in several areas, most notably WR and QB. And it's the inconsistencies and seemingly total lack of adjustments that are especially frustrating. The OL play this year has mostly been a pleasant surprise, but the entire gimmick of this offense is pretty much void if we can't move the ****ing ball.

And obviously it's not just against teams like Bama and Georgia, but just how pitiful we always look week to week. Again: consistency. Clearly KY was a BAAAAAD loss. At the time, LSU was an ugly loss, and at worst a game we pissed away...bc the offense was anemic, as it often is; a trademark for Leach at MSU. That 11 possession stretch against Auburn was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

It's also a sign of things hearing how ****ing tone-deaf Mike is when he bitches about players and "their fat little girlfriends", how the team is scared of Bama's uniform (not a problem for the D, apparently, according to Arnett), how some players aren't hungry, etc....as if he isn't the one putting them on the field and calling the plays.

You win! I totally agree. He has yet to make adjustments especially at Lsu and Ky game.

[confucius say]

The real question is whether we want to scrap a 7-5 program and start over or give the guy a chance to tweak things. Like getting a playmaker at qb.

Leach = Dan in a lot of ways. It took Dan until year 5/6 to get a playmaker at qb.

[Coach34]

The real question is whether we want to scrap a 7-5 program and start over or give the guy a chance to tweak things. Like getting a playmaker at qb.

Leach = Dan in a lot of ways. It took Dan until year 5/6 to get a playmaker at qb.

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

[confucius say]

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

In 2012 we went 8-4. The best win was against 5-7 TN. This team easily goes 8-4 against that schedule. KY was 2-10 in 2012.

Dan went 8-4 in 2010. That roster had 15 guys who played in the nfl. But I'm not taking anything away from Dan there. It was a good team, even if we only beat one team with a winning record (FLA).

Leach has shown he can go 7-5. We will see about 8-4.

I fully agree he needs to adapt a little. I hope recruiting playmakers at the qb position is a sign of that.

[TrapGame]

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

This is where I have landed now. I like Leach and think some of the offensive problems are on Will's shoulders. His decisions and reactions are holding the offense back. However, it's on Leach to make adjustments. Make a concerted effort to run the ball more which includes some designed QB runs for short yardage 1st downs and red zone visits.

[Coach34]

However, it's on Leach to make adjustments. Make a concerted effort to run the ball more which includes some designed QB runs for short yardage 1st downs and red zone visits.

Yeah this is something I forgot to include in Sunday Morning QB. We threw the ball both times on 4th and 1 and got neither one. The 2nd one tho was just terrible. We came out of the huddle after a timeout expecting man coverage so we threw the ball to Woody on a swing out of the backfield. Problem was Georgia was in zone and blew it the **** up. Leach is just awful in short yardage with this offense.

[99jc]

Yeah this is something I forgot to include in Sunday Morning QB. We threw the ball both times on 4th and 1 and got neither one. The 2nd one tho was just terrible. We came out of the huddle after a timeout expecting man coverage so we threw the ball to Woody on a swing out of the backfield. Problem was Georgia was in zone and blew it the **** up. Leach is just awful in short yardage with this offense.

This I totally agree with.

[basedog]

Yeah this is something I forgot to include in Sunday Morning QB. We threw the ball both times on 4th and 1 and got neither one. The 2nd one tho was just terrible. We came out of the huddle after a timeout expecting man coverage so we threw the ball to Woody on a swing out of the backfield. Problem was Georgia was in zone and blew it the **** up. Leach is just awful in short yardage with this offense.

Amazing, I was like "wut the .... was that"!

[R2Dawg]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

Hammer meet nail.

[CadaverDawg]

Its not just Kiffin results, but rather some semblance of upward trajectory. Realistically, I think we all knew Kiffin was set up for much quicker success than Mike was just due to scheme/roster. I was excited to see Mike's offense here and was hopeful it would work; even after the ups and downs of 2020 and '21. The best option for all involved was for it to work. However, now in year 3, the offense is clearly regressing in several areas, most notably WR and QB. And it's the inconsistencies and seemingly total lack of adjustments that are especially frustrating. The OL play this year has mostly been a pleasant surprise, but the entire gimmick of this offense is pretty much void if we can't move the ****ing ball.

And obviously it's not just against teams like Bama and Georgia, but just how pitiful we always look week to week. Again: consistency. Clearly KY was a BAAAAAD loss. At the time, LSU was an ugly loss, and at worst a game we pissed away...bc the offense was anemic, as it often is; a trademark for Leach at MSU. That 11 possession stretch against Auburn was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

It's also a sign of things hearing how ****ing tone-deaf Mike is when he bitches about players and "their fat little girlfriends", how the team is scared of Bama's uniform (not a problem for the D, apparently, according to Arnett), how some players aren't hungry, etc....as if he isn't the one putting them on the field and calling the plays.

Bingo

[CadaverDawg]

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

This