Dogs vs Dogs!!!

[Lord McBuckethead]

Then took a sack because he didn?t step up. Good overall possession. Looks like we absolutely refuse to do anything new.

[HoopsDawg]

LOL, we got a call.

[TrapGame]

Leach has his drawbacks but Will ain't helping this offense. He's extremely limited when we face good defenses.

[Matt3467]

I really don't care who they trot out there at QB but please don't let it be Will. I've seen enough in 3 years. His stats are smoke and mirrors.

[vindastra]

LOL

[memsu06]

I don't think there's been a QB I've been more aggravated at in MSU history than Rogers.

He could have run for a first down on that play.

[KOdawg1]

Leach has his drawbacks but Will ain't helping this offense. He's extremely limited when we face defenses with any pulse whatsoever.

FIFY

[EdwardDrayton]

And the Academy goes to ……….

[lastmajordog]

i guess my three DOG offenses that make me want to throw up....
1. Triple option handing off to fullback on on every 1st down for 0-2 yards.
2. Running a 150 lb. tailback ( not name D. Miller) up the middle for no gain.
3. This crap.....
JMHO

[Matt3467]

He could have run for a first down on that play.

I don't know. When he runs it looks like slow motion. Peyton Manning would leave him in the dust.

[vindastra]

Neymar will be proud of that...

[msstate7]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

[HoopsDawg]

Then took a sack because he didn?t step up. Good overall possession. Looks like we absolutely refuse to do anything new.

There's nothing new. There will never be anything new. There is no more room on the napkin. Leach has been running the same stuff since 1992. It was was once revolutionary. Much like Blockbuster video or the Blackberry.

[TrapGame]

Pushed Rufus in the back.

[Matt3467]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

It's just weird we haven't seen anyone at all

[Hambone]

And the Academy goes to ……….

Watch the replay. Landed on #9’s leg. Yea, it’s acting when the opposing player is telling everyone he messed up. But sure bro

[vindastra]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

That's on the coach too.

[Matt3467]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

Not even when we're ahead. We don't see anybody else.

[HoopsDawg]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

Will is definitely the best QB for this offense on the roster. Anyone who complains about Will is really complaining about Leach...they just don't realize it.

[Turfdawg67]

We went a lot of years running 3 times up the middle. We don't want that back.

But we've had so much success with the blue collar approach.****

[TrapGame]

Good play by Rufus.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Harvey just got thrown by his 17n helmet. No flag.

[HoopsDawg]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

You down with Klineman?

[vindastra]

Bucky's name is Wyatt?

[KOdawg1]

Will is definitely the best QB for this offense on the roster. Anyone who complains about Will is really complaining about Leach...they just don't realize it.

No I'm complaining about Will. He takes 30% of the blame for me. Leach takes 70%

[HoopsDawg]

But we've had so much success with the blue collar approach.****

We won the SEC West with it under Jackie. We got to number 1 in the country with it under Mullen. How did the gimmick's work under Moorhead and Leach.

[vindastra]

OMG

[KOdawg1]

Take your time guys, we have plenty of time

[BeardoMSU]

Helluva drop

[HoopsDawg]

No I'm complaining about Will. He takes 30% of the blame for me. Leach takes 70%

That's fine as long as you realize he's the best we've got.

[Matt3467]

Freaking Will

[starkvegasdawg]

Helluva drop

Leach needs to go WWE with one of those chairs for a TD drop like that.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He's done more for this team than ya boy Will. And he doesn't touch the ball every play.

No. No he hasnt.

[KOdawg1]

That's fine as long as you realize he's the best we've got.

I acknowledge that. Which is also an indictment on Leach

[Matt3467]

We're in danger of losing our arms.

[Apoplectic]

How does a scholar ship receiver miss that ball

[BuckyIsAB****]

Please snap the damn ball Will for the love of God its not the first quarter. RaRa catch the ball.

[KOdawg1]

No. No he hasnt.

Lol Forbes will be playing on Sunday next year. Will will be a grad assistant holding a clip board in two years.

[HoopsDawg]

Take your time guys, we have plenty of time

You just can't waste timeouts on offense when you trail. Late movement by the defense really jacks us up. AU did it a lot last week.

[MBDawg601]

I tune in for the first time in an hour to see the RaRa drop.

My God. Whoever thinks any receiver we have would start for anyone in the conference other than Vanderbilt is delusional.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Will is definitely the best QB for this offense on the roster. Anyone who complains about Will is really complaining about Leach...they just don't realize it.

Oh no. I am directly saying Will Rogers can not do it. He has proven he cannot step up to the line and deliver against a good defense. He is Kellen Mond, with less upside. And that is saying something because Mond sucked.

[Turfdawg67]

We won the SEC West with it under Jackie. We got to number 1 in the country with it under Mullen. How did the gimmick's work under Moorhead and Leach.

Wow, you are right! I forgot about our rich history! Lolz.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bucky's name is Wyatt?

Naw. Is your name vindASStra?

[EdwardDrayton]

I can't imagine leach would play will over guys that are better, so we really have a poor qb room

Exactly

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lol Forbes will be playing on Sunday next year. Will will be a grad assistant holding a clip board in two years.

Does not change my point at all

[KOdawg1]

And that's it. Ballgame

[Lord McBuckethead]

That is what we dialed up? Again Will. Bad decision.

[HoopsDawg]

decided to go with the swing pass. bold move cotton.

[BeardoMSU]

We won the SEC West with it under Jackie. We got to number 1 in the country with it under Mullen. How did the gimmick's work under Moorhead and Leach.

98 we lost 4 games. 2014 and 15 were more Dak than Dan, IMO. Sure, it was fun, but havecsome perspective. And our ascent to #1 included beating 3 straight overrated teams followed by Dan tucking his dick between his legs against Bama and a wounded OM.

And I hate this offense, btw. But this Mullen revisionism needs to ****ing stop. As does this "we're blue-collar" shite.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Stupid play call

[Matt3467]

I try to be lenient on our RBs but Marks has no business getting stopped short there.

[Percho]

Amen to that Bro Lee

[PGHBulldogBG]

We won the SEC West with it under Jackie. We got to number 1 in the country with it under Mullen. How did the gimmick's work under Moorhead and Leach.

Jackie and Mullen were the 2 best coaches we have had. I think a lot of our fanbase is just angry Mullen left so it creates a spin to try and pump up other coaches we hire

[lastmajordog]

I?m impressed, how does one get a full college scholarship for catching footballs when you can?t catch footballs......amazining.....I?m envious....

[HoopsDawg]

And I hate this offense,

Glad we agree.

[Matt3467]

Interesting no one ever asks Leach about our other QBs. Every game we go into the announcers talk about Rogers like he's a legend with this perfect accuracy. Do these people not watch our games?

[msstate7]

98 we lost 4 games. 2014 and 15 were more Dak than Dan, IMO. Sure, it was fun, but havecsome perspective. And our ascent to #1 included beating 3 straight overrated teams followed by Dan tucking his dick between his legs against Bama and a wounded OM.

And I hate this offense, btw. But this Mullen revisionism needs to ****ing stop. As does this "we're blue-collar" shite.

Ok, mullen wasn't great. Leach is 17-17 here in about 30 mins. Mullen wasn't great, but we was superior to leach

[BeardoMSU]

Glad we agree.

Hey, I'm all about celebrating our common ground rather than harboring on the negative**

[HoopsDawg]

Jackie and Mullen were the 2 best coaches we have had. I think a lot of our fanbase is just angry Mullen left so it creates a spin to try and pump up other coaches we hire

absolutely. Jackie went down in flames and couldn't recruit a QB. Mullen tightend up in big games, couldn't recruit a difference maker at WR and went job hunting every November. But both of those coaches showed us what we need to be and what we can be every so often. This shit Leach runs needs to go back to the Pac 12.

[HancockCountyDog]

We are going to miss Cameron Young, Charlton, Watson and Wheat. Those guys never leave the field and have put it all on the line tonight.

[Matt3467]

People say sarcastically we would be a great offense with a stud QB but I really think we'd be dangerous with even an average QB. Can anyone here honestly say that Rogers is an average QB?

[memsu06]

Ok, mullen wasn't great. Leach is 17-17 here in about 30 mins. Mullen wasn't great, but we was superior to leach

He was so awesome we lost to South Alabama.

Leach hasn't had any game remotely close to that.

[Bothrops]

I'm beginning to think Will Rogers will be the last qb Leach coaches.

[DownwardDawg]

Ok, mullen wasn't great. Leach is 17-17 here in about 30 mins. Mullen wasn't great, but we was superior to leach

Yes. And Mullen could have been much better if he wasn't job searching all the time and if he actually tried recruiting. Point being, his style of play was much better than this shit. A little more effort and that style would have produced even more. Malzahn offense and play calling would beat the shit out of this team.

[BeardoMSU]

Ok, mullen wasn't great. Leach is 17-17 here in about 30 mins. Mullen wasn't great, but we was superior to leach

Don't disagree. But Mullen was also never getting us over the hump. For various reasons, particularly job hunting, staff stubborness, and recruiting.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'm beginning to think Will Rogers will be the last qb Leach coaches.

He will be the last one he starts yes. That is probably a true statement

[DownwardDawg]

I'm beginning to think Will Rogers will be the last qb Leach coaches.

Yep. Come on new AD!!!!

[msstate7]

He was so awesome we lost to South Alabama.

Leach hasn't had any game remotely close to that.

USA in 2016 was 6-6
Memphis in 2021 was 6-6

[CoachT14]

Yes. And Mullen could have been much better if he wasn't job searching all the time and if he actually tried recruiting. Point being, his style of play was much better than this shit. A little more effort and that style would have produced even more. Malzahn offense and play calling would beat the shit out of this team.

I’m warming to Malzahn.

[HoopsDawg]

He was so awesome we lost to South Alabama.

Leach hasn't had any game remotely close to that.

Memphis last year was really bad. Definitely "remotely close"

[Matt3467]

USA in 2016 was 6-6
Memphis in 2021 was 6-6

And we finished the regular season 5-7 with a charity bowl game.

[Apoplectic]

Dammit put another qb in - it?s over. What are you afraid of?

[msstate7]

And we finished the regular season 5-7 with a charity bowl game.

So you were wrong. Glad you can admit it

[KOdawg1]

He was so awesome we lost to South Alabama.

Leach hasn't had any game remotely close to that.

Umm Memphis last year?

[memsu06]

USA in 2016 was 6-6
Memphis in 2021 was 6-6

USA - Actually played well enough to win the game.

Memphis - SEC officiating screw us over.

[Bothrops]

People say sarcastically we would be a great offense with a stud QB but I really think we'd be dangerous with even an average QB. Can anyone here honestly say that Rogers is an average QB?

I wish we had another qb on our roster. That would be cool.

[Matt3467]

So you were wrong. Glad you can admit it

About?

[BuckyIsAB****]

That drop is a perfect summary and nobody realizes it or wants to admit it. We have 2 WRs with real mental toughness. The rest are mental midgets. When Leach is saying we are scared of Bama or we dont use our hands? He is talking about them. Its pathetic. But we wanna worry about NIL and portal and blame the OL Leach and Will for everything?

[BuckyIsAB****]

And he just dropped another.

[Apoplectic]

Find a 17n chair for Thomas and leave his ass on it

[Matt3467]

So you were wrong. Glad you can admit it

Btw isn't that the same year Samford and UMass gave us a hard time?

[Lord McBuckethead]

We do realize we are down 19 right?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Two 17n drops. In 3 plays.

[Matt3467]

That drop is a perfect summary and nobody realizes it or wants to admit it. We have 2 WRs with real mental toughness. The rest are mental midgets. When Leach is saying we are scared of Bama or we dont use our hands? He is talking about them. Its pathetic. But we wanna worry about NIL and portal and blame the OL Leach and Will for everything?

Rogers is also a problem. WRs are bad but Will has a problem getting it to them. Oline has been decent.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And again. Maybe yall will wake up

[HoopsDawg]

Btw isn't that the same year Samford and UMass gave us a hard time?

what point are you trying to make?

[WhiskeyPirate]

People say sarcastically we would be a great offense with a stud QB but I really think we'd be dangerous with even an average QB. Can anyone here honestly say that Rogers is an average QB?

He?s not. He does not have even division two level of college athleticism. He?s awful

[BuckyIsAB****]

Rogers is also a problem. WRs are bad but Will has a problem getting it to them. Oline has been decent.

That is like saying you have a 3 foot hole in your boat but worrying about the plug not being in.

[Bothrops]

That drop is a perfect summary and nobody realizes it or wants to admit it. We have 2 WRs with real mental toughness. The rest are mental midgets. When Leach is saying we are scared of Bama or we dont use our hands? He is talking about them. Its pathetic. But we wanna worry about NIL and portal and blame the OL Leach and Will for everything?

Will is a problem though. He's handicapped. Leach would play Will over any qb in the country, including NFL.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Mullen with this staff, we would be better.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Rogers is also a problem. WRs are bad but Will has a problem getting it to them. Oline has been decent.

He?s a big problem

[Matt3467]

what point are you trying to make?

Dan Mullen with better teams always disappointed. What else?

[msstate7]

Mullen overall at state .600 winning %. Sec - .458

Leach overal - .500
Sec - .400

[lastmajordog]

del

[bulldawg28]

That drop is a perfect summary and nobody realizes it or wants to admit it. We have 2 WRs with real mental toughness. The rest are mental midgets. When Leach is saying we are scared of Bama or we dont use our hands? He is talking about them. Its pathetic. But we wanna worry about NIL and portal and blame the OL Leach and Will for everything?

Leach shouldn't have them in the game if they keep dropping passes.

[dawgday166]

And again. Maybe yall will wake up

So that's on the coaching staff then??

[Matt3467]

That is like saying you have a 3 foot hole in your boat but worrying about the plug not being in.

Have you not seen Will skipping the ball, overthrowing, running backwards before he's even under real duress? Yea I agree WRs have been horrid but Will is an issue too. With perfect receivers we'd still be losing.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I just want yall to pause for a second and realize the kid who has literally shattered every passing record in our history, has the egg bowl passing yards record, has won just as much as any other QB in our history save one, has multiple comeback wins and has won at Auburn and at A&M which is something many many starting QBs at this school has never done.I could go on and on. All while watching his WRs literally drop pass after pass..We are trying to say that he is awful and couldnt play at a D2. Take a deep breath.

[CJDAWG85]

We will never compete with the big boys with Leach. Too easy to defend

[DownwardDawg]

after om drum rolls the DOGS.......can we please get a different offense that actually scores points when it matters......not yards when it doesn’t.

When we get a new coach. Until then.....NO.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Have you not seen Will skipping the ball, overthrowing, running backwards before he's even under real duress? Yea I agree WRs have been horrid but Will is an issue too. With perfect receivers we'd still be losing.

Yeah he does not complete every pass he ever throws. Sure. Neither does Dart and yall slobber over him and every other QB besides our own who battles for us every game

[vindastra]

Nick or Shraeder running this offense would have shredded Nick's "records"

[Matt3467]

I just want yall to pause for a second and realize the kid who has literally shattered every passing record in our history, has the egg bowl passing yards record, has won just as much as any other QB in our history save one, has multiple comeback wins and has won at Auburn and at A&M which is something many many starting QBs at this school has never done.I could go on and on. All while watching his WRs literally drop pass after pass..We are trying to say that he is awful and couldnt play at a D2. Take a deep breath.

Costello shattered the SEC passing yard record but what do you think of him? Has Will won an egg bowl? That's why I mentioned earlier Will is smoke and mirrors and people will look at our record books decades down the road and wonder what happened the years he was year.

[HoopsDawg]

I just want yall to pause for a second and realize the kid who has literally shattered every passing record in our history, has the egg bowl passing yards record, has won just as much as any other QB in our history save one, has multiple comeback wins and has won at Auburn and at A&M which is something many many starting QBs at this school has never done.I could go on and on. All while watching his WRs literally drop pass after pass..We are trying to say that he is awful and couldnt play at a D2. Take a deep breath.

Yikes, you brought up the Egg Bowl. 0-2 is all that matters in that game.

[DownwardDawg]

I just want yall to pause for a second and realize the kid who has literally shattered every passing record in our history, has the egg bowl passing yards record, has won just as much as any other QB in our history save one, has multiple comeback wins and has won at Auburn and at A&M which is something many many starting QBs at this school has never done.I could go on and on. All while watching his WRs literally drop pass after pass..We are trying to say that he is awful and couldnt play at a D2. Take a deep breath.

I blame this putrid offense on the actual offense system. Not Will. He could be better, yes. But our receivers suck and this offense will never beat any of the good SEC defenses.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Again, that last TD is on the offense. The defense played damn good tonight. 17n waste.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Because the QB cannot throw more than 12 yards down field. It 17s the entire offense.

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah he does not complete every pass he ever throws. Sure. Neither does Dart and yall slobber over him and every other QB besides our own who battles for us every game

I'll give you this, Will Rogers is not the problem. The problem has a chronic cough and spends half the year in Key West. It's time for a change.

[EdwardDrayton]

And that just guaranteed all the Georgia cover money.

[msu15]

Yeah he does not complete every pass he ever throws. Sure. Neither does Dart and yall slobber over him and every other QB besides our own who battles for us every game

You would definitely slob on Will's knob if you were given the chance.

[CJDAWG85]

Arnett has to go.

[HoopsDawg]

I blame this putrid offense on the actual offense system. Not Will. He could be better, yes. But our receivers suck and this offense will never beat any of the good SEC defenses.

That's a bingo.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yikes, you brought up the Egg Bowl. 0-2 is all that matters in that game.

Yeah it was all his fault. I think we dropped those games away too. Literally dropped it away. But go on. Yall crack me up with this.

[msstate7]

Yikes, you brought up the Egg Bowl. 0-2 is all that matters in that game.

You boys on this board find someone to marry that you can love as much as I love mullen and Bucky loves will

[Lord McBuckethead]

Maybe our WRs need to sit down and rest their legs.

[Bothrops]

Leach would try to put Will Rogers on the field even if he had no eligibility left.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You would definitely slob on Will's knob if you were given the chance.

Have a nice drive home

[WhiskeyPirate]

Yikes, you brought up the Egg Bowl. 0-2 is all that matters in that game.

That?s dans record when Ole Miss had 8 wins. 3-4 when they had 5 wins but that was great

[Matt3467]

Will is still in....

[HoopsDawg]

You boys on this board find someone to marry that you can love as much as I love mullen and Bucky loves will

LOL.

[CoachT14]

I just want yall to pause for a second and realize the kid who has literally shattered every passing record in our history, has the egg bowl passing yards record, has won just as much as any other QB in our history save one, has multiple comeback wins and has won at Auburn and at A&M which is something many many starting QBs at this school has never done.I could go on and on. All while watching his WRs literally drop pass after pass..We are trying to say that he is awful and couldnt play at a D2. Take a deep breath.

You telling anyone else to take a deep breath after that post is peak unawareness.

Check down Charlie isn’t good. We know you can’t be objective though. If only you could admit it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I am willing to say, Marks, Rufus, and Walley we?re the only three offensive skill position players that came to make plays.

[HoopsDawg]

That?s dans record when Ole Miss had 8 wins. 3-4 when they had 5 wins but that was great

cool

[Bothrops]

Arnett has to go.

Hell no! We do need a new secondary coach

[HoopsDawg]

Easy money. Can't believe I only bet $500 on this game.

[Percho]

Yeah he does not complete every pass he ever throws. Sure. Neither does Dart and yall slobber over him and every other QB besides our own who battles for us every game

This bunch of fans (little letters) will hate every coach and player who plays for MSU until someone takes us to the land of milk and honey. EVERY Coach and Player.

[Turfdawg67]

He was so awesome we lost to South Alabama.

Leach hasn't had any game remotely close to that.

Don't forget the drubbing from UGA in 2017. 38-3 I believe? That blue collar O was clicking on all cylinders that day.

[DownwardDawg]

Will is still in....

If we're losing or winning by 50 Will plays. And if you question it certain posters on here will tell you to stop bitching.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You telling anyone else to take a deep breath after that post is peak unawareness.

Check down Charlie isn’t good. We know you can’t be objective though. If only you could admit it.

No. Just bc it is facts and yall want to blame him doesnt make it unaware. He is not perfect. But yall have done everything but make up rumors that he is gay. Oh wait, y?all did that to the one of the last QBs we had

[CoachT14]

No. Just bc it is facts and yall want to blame him doesnt make it unaware. He is not perfect. But yall have done everything but make up rumors that he is gay. Oh wait, y?all did that to the one of the last QBs we had

He is statistically the worst QB in the SEC under pressure and pressured less than all but 2 SEC teams. That’s the facts. He is last in the SEC in throwing TDs or 1st downs under pressure.
That’s the facts.

[Matt3467]

No. Just bc it is facts and yall want to blame him doesnt make it unaware. He is not perfect. But yall have done everything but make up rumors that he is gay. Oh wait, y?all did that to the one of the last QBs we had

People wouldn't be so hard on Will if he was good.

[vindastra]

Don't forget the drubbing from UGA in 2017. 38-3 I believe? That blue collar O was clicking on all cylinders that day.

Kirby even started the game with a trick play...

[lastmajordog]

how many DOG dropped passes tonight??

[BuckyIsAB****]

He is statistically the worst QB in the SEC under pressure and pressured less than all but 2 SEC teams. That’s the facts. He is last in the SEC in throwing TDs or 1st downs under pressure.
That’s the facts.

Oh ok. A few minutes ago stats didnt matter. But now they do. I have never seen evidence of those stats but considering the amount of drops and times he gets hit I would say the fact that we havent thrown 90 interceptions is pretty good. Let me know what stats we can use and when

[HoopsDawg]

how many DOG dropped passes tonight??

none until the game was over. then we had 3.

[memsu06]

Dabo Swinney took a few years to get Clemson going.

Some of you want to fire coaches every 3 years and wonder why we never get anywhere.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot unless you know you're getting a proven head coach. Look at the position TAMU got themselves in.

Only a small handful of hires worked out overall.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yall all have a good one. Im not going on and on with this bunch. Yall all better hope and pray that we do lose to OM, bc If we dont the amount of shit yall should eat should feed some of yall for life

[HoopsDawg]

Oh ok. A few minutes ago stats didnt matter. But now they do. I have never seen evidence of those stats but considering the amount of drops and times he gets hit I would say the fact that we havent thrown 90 interceptions is pretty good. Let me know what stats we can use and when

he provided some pretty damning stats there Bucky. I would say Total passing yards is pretty meaningless considering Chance Lovertich would have broken that record.

[HoopsDawg]

Dabo Swinney took a few years to get Clemson going.

Some of you want to fire coaches every 3 years and wonder why we never get anywhere.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot unless you know you're getting a proven head coach. Look at the position TAMU got themselves in.

Only a small handful of hires worked out overall.

Good point. Leach is recruiting like Dabo. He just needs a couple of more years. After all, he is a young up and coming coach.

[BuckyIsAB****]

he provided some pretty damning stats there Bucky. I would say Total passing yards is pretty meaningless considering Chance Lovertich would have broken that record.

We will agree to disagree. You arent fooling anyone btw

[KOdawg1]

I just want yall to pause for a second and realize the kid who has literally shattered every passing record in our history, has the egg bowl passing yards record, has won just as much as any other QB in our history save one, has multiple comeback wins and has won at Auburn and at A&M which is something many many starting QBs at this school has never done.I could go on and on. All while watching his WRs literally drop pass after pass..We are trying to say that he is awful and couldnt play at a D2. Take a deep breath.

The records are absolutely irrelevant. We've never passed the ball this much. Of course he's gonna shatter records. A monkey could break our passing records.

Most Egg Bowl passing yards, huh? Tell me, did we win that game? Has he ever beaten OM? That's right. He'll be 0-3 vs. them in 2 weeks.

He's an average QB that hinders our already average offense. He has no playmaking ability, he has a weak arm, he's slow, he can't survey the field. He knows where he's going pre snap, but if that receiver is covered, he dumps it to the RB or goes into the fetal position for a sack. He's an 84 rated 3 star QB who had G5 offers and he plays like one.

[msu15]

Yall all have a good one. Im not going on and on with this bunch. Yall all better hope and pray that we do lose to OM, bc If we dont the amount of shit yall should eat should feed some of yall for life

Same goes to you if we do lose. You shouldn't be allowed to post anymore because you don't bring anything of substance and clearly have an agenda to pump up your noodle arm QB and our behind the times coach.

[DownwardDawg]

Yall all have a good one. Im not going on and on with this bunch. Yall all better hope and pray that we do lose to OM, bc If we dont the amount of shit yall should eat should feed some of yall for life

I'm holding out hope we somehow beat those bastards.

[CoachT14]

Oh ok. A few minutes ago stats didnt matter. But now they do. I have never seen evidence of those stats but considering the amount of drops and times he gets hit I would say the fact that we havent thrown 90 interceptions is pretty good. Let me know what stats we can use and when

I just now responded to you. Stats matter. But context matters too. We throw it 60 times a game so statically speaking Passing Yards will be high.

But Will is horribly inefficient with those yards. Hence the added context of him being awful under pressure and dead last in the SEC in first downs and touchdowns under pressure. That matters. Cause at some point you have to make plays happen.

Simply put Will doesn’t make plays when they matter by and large.

[msstate7]

Good point. Leach is recruiting like Dabo. He just needs a couple of more years. After all, he is a young up and coming coach.

When we turn this offense over to deshaun watson, watch out

[Dawg_Lover]

Even though common sense said different, I was still hoping for a miracle. Yeah, and I hope to win the lottery, too. Fact is the offense was about as effective as a glass hammer. Oh well, on to the next. Just beat TSUN one more time before I depart this green earth!! Not that I am expecting to depart soon, but I am just about to lose faith I will see it happen again.

[CoachT14]

Dabo Swinney took a few years to get Clemson going.

Some of you want to fire coaches every 3 years and wonder why we never get anywhere.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot unless you know you're getting a proven head coach. Look at the position TAMU got themselves in.

Only a small handful of hires worked out overall.

Lol at comparing Leach with Dabo.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Same goes to you if we do lose. You shouldn't be allowed to post anymore because you don't bring anything of substance and clearly have an agenda to pump up your noodle arm QB and our behind the times coach.

Right. I wont go back and forth over message board substance. Yall clearly provide all of that

[Turfdawg67]

Same goes to you if we do lose. You shouldn't be allowed to post anymore because you don't bring anything of substance and clearly have an agenda to pump up your noodle arm QB and our behind the times coach.

What 17'n substance do you bring? Lolz

[HoopsDawg]

Lol at comparing Leach with Dabo.

There are always going to be some posters that defend whoever the MSU coach is to death. There were many that loved Joe Moorhead and said no way he would be fired. Hell, there were some that defended Croom until the end.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Sonny Dykes has really been something else at TCU this year. Just goes to show how the right coaching can lead to success with a big talent deficit. TCU was picked 8th in the big 12 because he legit had a full team of kids that were laughed at by Texas, OU and other big teams.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I just now responded to you. Stats matter. But context matters too. We throw it 60 times a game so statically speaking Passing Yards will be high.

But Will is horribly inefficient with those yards. Hence the added context of him being awful under pressure and dead last in the SEC in first downs and touchdowns under pressure. That matters. Cause at some point you have to make plays happen.

Simply put Will doesn’t make plays when they matter by and large.

Yeah cant win with him. Hes soft. Look at all
Those hits he takes and not only is he still alive but he keeps fighting. He throws it downfield into coverage to give us a shot? we bitch. He throws it short to the back? We bitch. What a loser. Wes Carroll could do that hell I have seen arguments for Tyson Lee! Lets do it.

[memsu06]

Sonny Dykes has really been something else at TCU this year. Just goes to show how the right coaching can lead to success with a big talent deficit. TCU was picked 8th in the big 12 because he legit had a full team of kids that were laughed at by Texas, OU and other big teams.

How many coaches are you going to hire before you get there. How many years do you give them to succeed?

In today's world they are going to want to know how much NIL money they have to work with.

[KOdawg1]

Rogers had 4 D1 offers coming out of high school. That is who he is. It's not his fault. It's our's for thinking he's something he's not.

[WhiskeyPirate]

How many coaches are you going to hire before you get there. How many years do you give them to succeed?

In today's world they are going to want to know how much NIL money they have to work with.

You’re dealing with morons with an agenda and no skin in the game. Dangerous combo, Sub 100 IQ losers, living on the government cheese making coaching decisions on the internet

[lastmajordog]

When we turn this offense over to deshaun watson, watch out

“Deshaun is the man”!!!! from the movie Silver Linings

[BuckyIsAB****]

Oh and btw show me where I have vehemently defended Leach? There is a lot he does and does not do that I would change. But he is not the worst coach in the country and he should not be fired. If we lose to OM next year he is coaching for his job. I wouldnt be heartbroken if we fired him or if he retired after the Egg if we lose it. But yall have taken this too far. He is a proven winner and has won here.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Rogers had 4 D1 offers coming out of high school. That is who he is. It's not his fault. It's our's for thinking he's something he's not.

Guess how many Minshew had?or Dak?or Fitz.. If we took Minshew right now yall would pitch a bitch about it bc he went from NWCC to Troy to ECU to WSU. That doesnt help your argument

[msstate7]

Oh and btw show me where I have vehemently defended Leach? There is a lot he does and does not do that I would change. But he is not the worst coach in the country and he should not be fired. If we lose to OM next year he is coaching for his job. I wouldnt be heartbroken if we fired him or if he retired after the Egg if we lose it. But yall have taken this too far. He is a proven winner and has won here.

I guess. He's 17-17 (10-15)

[CoachT14]

Yeah cant win with him. Hes soft. Look at all
Those hits he takes and not only is he still alive but he keeps fighting. He throws it downfield into coverage to give us a shot? we bitch. He throws it short to the back? We bitch. What a loser. Wes Carroll could do that hell I have seen arguments for Tyson Lee! Lets do it.

He’s honestly not very tough.

The OL has been really good this year and he still sucks and acts scared even when no one is there.

I guess you just love ignoring stats.

We have allowed less sacks than every team in the SEC except for 2. We allow the least amount of pressure in the SEC besides 2 teams. And that’s with us throwing it 60 times a game giving defenses way more opportunities to rush the QB and put pressure on him.

Despite that we have one of the best OL’s in the SEC after losing a 1st round LT.

And despite all that. Will is the worst passer in the SEC under pressure when it matters. Brady Cook at Missouri is even better than him.

The stats show that all you have to do is sneeze in Will’s direction and he folds like a lawn chair.

You’re way too emotional invested in Will Rogers.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He’s honestly not very tough.

The OL has been really good this year and he still sucks and acts scared even when no one is there.

I guess you just love ignoring stats.

We have allowed less sacks than every team in the SEC except for 2. We allow the least amount of pressure in the SEC besides 2 teams. And that’s with us throwing it 60 times a game giving defenses way more opportunities to rush the QB and put pressure on him.

Despite that we have one of the best OL’s in the SEC after losing a 1st round LT.

And despite all that. Will is the worst passer in the SEC under pressure when it matters. Brady Cook at Missouri is even better than him.

The stats show that all you have to do is sneeze in Will’s direction and he folds like a lawn chair.

You’re way too emotional invested in Will Rogers.

Youre throwing these stats around like its common knowledge or something. Im not even gonna ask you to show me where you are getting that from bc quite frankly I dont care. Anyone who can look out there and watch him play and then read and hear all the shit he hears and then say he aint tough? I will leave you on that one

[CoachT14]

Youre throwing these stats around like its common knowledge or something. Im not even gonna ask you to show me where you are getting that from bc quite frankly I dont care. Anyone who can look out there and watch him play and then read and hear all the shit he hears and then say he aint tough? I will leave you on that one

You brought up toughness not me.

I didn?t just bring them out of thin air. It?s not hard to find if you actually try.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Will,is bad, there is no question

[BuckyIsAB****]

You brought up toughness not me.

I didn?t just bring them out of thin air. It?s not hard to find if you actually try.

Oh ok.

[KOdawg1]

Guess how many Minshew had?or Dak?or Fitz.. If we took Minshew right now yall would pitch a bitch about it bc he went from NWCC to Troy to ECU to WSU. That doesnt help your argument

It'll be okay Mr. Rogers. This will all be over soon.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Will is not good when it matters.

He overthrows people deep. He is less mobile than tyler Russell, with awful pocket movement. He doesn't see the field well when he's worried he wont' have time to throw, even if the OL ultimately protects him well that play.

On the positives, he knows the offense, he's accurate when calm, he sees the field well when calm, and he's a good kid. BUT, he's only calm when we're up big or playing a bad team at home.

He's just not that good. Stetson Bennett was better than him in every way- accuracy, avoiding pressure, running, arm strength, and making clutch plays when needed. Rogers has been a great bridge QB to LEach can install his system but he aint it.

[BuckyIsAB****]

It'll be okay Mr. Rogers. This will all be over soon.

There we go

[Tater]

Will ain't it. I want him to be. Good kid. Miles of heart. But he just doesn't have it.

He can't scramble well. He has 0 arm strength / accuracy on the run. He refuses to throw it outside the hashes more than 5 yards downfield. He just isn't good enough for this system.

This system has shown signs of working, but the Will Rogers experiment needs to be over. He can't do it. Time to let one of these 4-Star talents let it rip.

[dawgday166]

Guess how many Minshew had?or Dak?or Fitz.. If we took Minshew right now yall would pitch a bitch about it bc he went from NWCC to Troy to ECU to WSU. That doesnt help your argument

I'll take Minshew. I usually trust a coach like Leach to know what he is looking for. But Will ain't Minshew. Did you see last TD pass? Will almost threw the RB flare but then caught a wide ass open Harvey out corner of his eye. I think that happens more than it should. And Will don't like any kind of pressure around him .. regardless of what you say. and he either stares down receivers or telegraph passes to much IMO too. That 4th down flare to Marks is an example.

You could have a point about receivers which is on the coaching staff IMO.

Ultimately tho, it's on the coaches and specifically Leach for anything that is amiss. Whether it's Will, receivers, RBs, Online or whatever.

ETA: And I never see Will talking things over with the offense between series, or looking at pics of defensive alignments by other team. That's also on Will IMO.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'll take Minshew. I usually trust a coach like Leach to know what he is looking for. But Will ain't Minshew. Did you see last TD pass? Will almost threw the RB flare but then caught a wide ass open Harvey out corner of his eye. I think that happens more than it should. And Will don't like any kind of pressure around him .. regardless of what you say. and he either stares down receivers or telegraph passes to much IMO too. That 4th down flare to Marks is an example.

You could have a point about receivers which is on the coaching staff IMO.

Ultimately tho, it's on the coaches and specifically Leach for anything that is amiss. Whether it's Will, receivers, RBs, Online or whatever.

To recap. Will throws ball downfield? We bitch. Even tho 75 percent of the time nobody is open. Then when they do actually run a good route they drop it. Will throws it short? We bitch. He has noodle arm. Will throws it away? We bitch. He misses wide open WRs. Will gets sacked? He has stone feet even though we throw it over and over and over.

Did I miss anything? When do we start rumors about his sexual preferences

[WhiskeyPirate]

I'll take Minshew. I usually trust a coach like Leach to know what he is looking for. But Will ain't Minshew. Did you see last TD pass? Will almost threw the RB flare but then caught a wide ass open Harvey out corner of his eye. I think that happens more than it should. And Will don't like any kind of pressure around him .. regardless of what you say. and he either stares down receivers or telegraph passes to much IMO too. That 4th down flare to Marks is an example.

You could have a point about receivers which is on the coaching staff IMO.

Ultimately tho, it's on the coaches and specifically Leach for anything that is amiss. Whether it's Will, receivers, RBs, Online or whatever.

I think leach is stuck because Will know the system and the only alternative is a redshirt freshman. Next year I think leach has to go with Sawyer. Locke is probably the best q b we have but may be a year away. The other alternative is to bring in grad transfer who has played in a spread passing attack, that’s what he did with Minshew.

Will,is severely
L8miting the offense. I saw that last year and it’s taken a year for people to admit it. It’s obvious now.

Next year the schedule is easy enough we can win 9 games with Will but he really limits the offense and the team. He’s the worst q b leach has ever had other Halliday in Leachs first year at WSU. He’s bad

[Goldendawg]

Seriously, did we pull these punters we have randomly off the sidewalk???

No, 88, Georgepolus, is a portal guy from that FB powerhouse UMass.

[dawgday166]

To recap. Will throws ball downfield? We bitch. Even tho 75 percent of the time nobody is open. Then when they do actually run a good route they drop it. Will throws it short? We bitch. He has noodle arm. Will throws it away? We bitch. He misses wide open WRs. Will gets sacked? He has stone feet even though we throw it over and over and over.

Did I miss anything? When do we start rumors about his sexual preferences

To add clarity: I haven't bitched about him throwing downfield. But it ain't gonna be open if he stares down the receiver the whole way down the damn field. On the 25 or so yd pass to Walley, he faked the flare and Walley was wide open. Will's ready to get rid of the ball the second it hits his hands. I do think his arm strength is a liability when he's on the move, but not so much if he's set. And I don't give a shit what his sexual preference is. I just want him to be a good, tough QB.

ETA: And on stone feet, he does like to stand flat footed back there too. He should be more on the balls of his feet otherwise, it's hard to adjust quickly to the width of the field if you're throwing to 3rd or 4th option, which he never gets to anyway.

[WhiskeyPirate]

To add clarity: I haven't bitched about him throwing downfield. But it ain't gonna be open if he stares down the receiver the whole way down the damn field. On the 25 or so yd pass to Walley, he faked the flare and Walley was wide open. Will's ready to get rid of the ball the second it hits his hands. I do think his arm strength is a liability when he's on the move, but not so much if he's set. And I don't give a shit what his sexual preference is. I just want him to be a good, tough QB.

ETA: And on stone feet, he does like to stand flat footed back there too. He should be more on the balls of his feet otherwise, it's hard to adjust quickly to the width of the field if you're throwing to 3rd or 4th option, which he never gets to anyway.

He’s a really poor athlete. Not quick with his feet, not strong physically and a weak,arm....all,of that can be compensated for if he was gritty, fearless and hangs in the pocket to the last second, unfortunately he plays scared.

It’s just a really bad combination.

I don’t think as a third year player any of that can be changed.

Leach needs to move on, will is a security blanket because he knows the system, but my goodness he is holding the offense back. I’ve seen just about every leach q b going back to kings bury and none of them had this bad combination. Halliday was bad but he wasn’t scared. Cumbie was slow but had a good arm and was tough,

We really need to upgrade. This offense is so q b centric, everything runs through the q b. If you brought in a Minshew type player we could come close to 10-11 wins next year. Either will or Sawyer can win nine next year, but sawyers ceiling is so much higher.

[dawgday166]

He’s a really poor athlete. Not quick with his feet, not strong physically and a weak,arm....all,of that can be compensated for if he was gritty, fearless and hangs in the pocket to the last second, unfortunately he plays scared.

It’s just a really bad combination.

I don’t think as a third year player any of that can be changed.

Leach needs to move on, will is a security blanket because he knows the system, but my goodness he is holding the offense back. I’ve seen just about every leach q b going back to kings bury and none of them had this bad combination. Halliday was bad but he wasn’t scared. Cutie was slow but had a good arm and was tough,

We really need to upgrade. This offense is so q b centric, everything runs through the q b. If you brought in a Minshew type player we could come close to 10-11 wins next year. Either will or Sawyer can win nine next year, but sawyers ceiling is so much higher.

I agree especially on QB centric and 3rd year player parts. Defenses only have to defend half the field with Will. From whatever side his presnap read is to the middle of the field. That's why there are so many passes (even completions) with 2 or more D players right there too.

[WhiskeyPirate]

I agree especially on QB centric and 3rd year player parts. Defenses only have to defend half the field with Will. From whatever side his presnap read is to the middle of the field. That's why there are so many passes (even completions) with 2 or more D players right there too.

He can?t stretch the field because he struggles to throw it forty yards down field, can?t throw it to the far hashwith zip and is no threat to run, so that?s easy to defend. He also gets rid of the ball right away, doesn?t progress through his reads if he gets even a hint of pressure, that can be seen on film.

He?s a guy who should have been a career third stringer clip board holder and went into coaching.

I think with the week to week pressure of the sec Leach hasn?t been willing to break in a new q b because you can easily drop,a,game or two like that and with the #2 sos you can?t afford to.

Leach has to be willing to think,long and hard about this in the off season and go a different way, it?s getting too damn apparent.