Auburn at MSU Game thread .... F*ck them.

[CoachT14]

If Auburn goes down and scores….

Whiskey and BSD: if the defense would’ve done their job Leach and Will would’ve won it.

[R2Dawg]

I truly hope we win. And I want Leach gone immediately.

Both can be true.

[Matt3467]

This win solidified my hatred for this offense. Strange....

A little early to be calling for the win. I got busy and had to stop watching after we were up 24-3 and I come back to this garbage. What is going on?

[CadaverDawg]

A loss would get us closer to the same end result ... a new HC

True....

Good win, Dawgs! This one is in the bag

[Cowbell]

We've lost regardless

Exactly

[Bdawg]

If we win, thank me. I quit watching. Watching real men play football in OT.

[Cowbell]

True....

Good win, Dawgs! This one is in the bag

I would buy you a drink if I could lol

[BeardoMSU]

"Like the salmon of Capistrano."

Hey, the beer is flowing like wine in my house...**

[parabrave]

hope the DD has enough

[BeardoMSU]

LSU just got the 2pt conversion in the 1st OT for the win. Holy cow.

[EdwardDrayton]

Are you begging for a loss?

Ha! At least you guys keep me laughing through the pain.

[R2Dawg]

Down goes Bama again

[CadaverDawg]

I would ask for a turnover, but our O couldn't kill 2 minutes

[R2Dawg]

Here we go

[parabrave]

dam

[R2Dawg]

Probably good TO

[CadaverDawg]

Before you allow yourself to get excited about another game under Leach, think about the fact that we were up 21 at home over a team with a New AD, no head coach, and a new QB.... and we are sitting here sweating it out right now.

Never again. Leach is dead to me. Retire, Pirate

[msstate7]

Thank God Cadillac left 5 points on the field

[parabrave]

defensive holding??? yep

[magrooder]

You can't tell me the D was holding, but the O line was not

[magrooder]

What a crock of shit that holding call was

[BeardoMSU]

Lol, here it comes...

[HoopsDawg]

Thank God Cadillac left 5 points on the field

Don't forget going for it on their own 30 that led to 7 for us

[DownwardDawg]

This is just amazing to watch. We suck so bad.

[BeardoMSU]

Lol, there it is...

[parabrave]

well that run gassed us. FUC you Leach.

[R2Dawg]

That sorry D cost us the game

[maroonmania]

Zac Arnett is just way overrated. His D never makes a play to stop someone

[starkvegasdawg]

Relax. All we need is a FG.

[Statecoachingblows**]

Defense returns the favor the offense

[CadaverDawg]

Get serious about football, or just shut it down altogether.

I'm sick of being embarrassed by this dumpster fire of a football program. ****ing joke

[DownwardDawg]

How embarrassing.

[R2Dawg]

Hire an AD and fire away

[Statecoachingblows**]

Relax. All we need is a FG.

Hahahaha

[maroonmania]

And out of all the 2nd half no holding calls on Auburn.

[Saltydog]

HE NEEDS TO SAIL AWAY. IT'S TIME........

[Dawgology]

Zac Arnett is just way overrated. His D never makes a play to stop someone

Are you saying this because you think Leach and his offense is top notch? I just want to know. Is that really what you think? Do you think THIS is what MSU should be about?

[EdwardDrayton]

How much in NIL pledges gets withdrawn after this game

[BeardoMSU]

I can't wait for the "but our D gave up 33 to Auburn!" takes, lol.

[BhamDawg]

Maybe Cohen really is the smartest man in the room.

[Bdawg]

Wow, who would have thought, a qb run!!

[PMDawg]

Time to scrap this garbage and start over. Again.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

All you had to do was have a QB spy on defense that wasnt a NG or Jett Johnson

[PMDawg]

Every scholarship player should give us a refund.

[BeardoMSU]

Zac Arnett is just way overrated. His D never makes a play to stop someone

Lol...

[EdwardDrayton]

How embarrassing.

We’re especially good at it.

[Matt3467]

I have no faith in Will

[Joebob]

It's panic at the disco at MSU!

[CadaverDawg]

How we feeling about the Air Raid in the SEC?

Can't even beat Cadillac Williams on your home field! Ha! We are a clown show. Bad recruiting got even worse tonight

[DownwardDawg]

Time to scrap this garbage and start over. Again.

Yep. I knew this is what would happen. A lot of people did. We'll be changing everything again soon. Personnel and systems.

[BeardoMSU]

Why are we spiking with 2 timeouts?

[Dawgface]

Hire an AD and fire away

Yup. 6-6 is the best this team can go now. Pretty sad. Maybe Cohen will hire him for AU. Ha

[EdwardDrayton]

Oh yeah. That’s what we want. Send the game to our kicker.

[parabrave]

marks is hurt bad

[CadaverDawg]

Who would have a better chance at reaching the end zone from the 25 yard line?

A. Rogers

B. Our punter

[BeardoMSU]

And now it's 3rd down....wtf? Why did we spike?

[parabrave]

yep lets play for overtime. put the ball in the endzone

[CadaverDawg]

Why are we spiking with 2 timeouts?

Want to make the loss even worse by missing a kick as time expires

[CovertDawg]

I can't believe we spiked on 1st down with our FG kicker situation.

[msstate7]

Who would have a better chance at reaching the end zone from the 25 yard line?

A. Rogers

B. Our punter

Lol,

Be ready for blitz here

[msstate7]

Will tried to lose it, again

[BeardoMSU]

Great 3rd down play, lol.

[CadaverDawg]

Great pass, QB1

[Matt3467]

Wonder if the spike was a Rogers or Leach decision.

[CadaverDawg]

Here comes the miss

[parabrave]

Who would have a better chance at reaching the end zone from the 25 yard line?

A. Rogers

B. Our punter

ouch. wtf we have Caleb for jump ball. at least try/

[HoopsDawg]

Spiking the ball on first down with 2 timeouts?

[EdwardDrayton]

Want to make the loss even worse by missing a kick as time expires

Especially after making the first one

[CadaverDawg]

Cadillac Williams coaching circles around Leach LOLOLOL

We are a mess

[parabrave]

Wonder if the spike was a Rogers or Leach decision.

It's never Leachs fault

[CadaverDawg]

Especially after making the first one

Yep. We will miss it

[msstate7]

It's extremely sad to see Cadillac Williams schooling leach in a coaching contest

[RocketDawg]

Cadillac is the most hyper coach I've ever seen.

[BeardoMSU]

No way we kick 3 in a row, lol.

[Bdawg]

And now it's 3rd down....wtf? Why did we spike?

I have absolutely no f-ing clue

[HoopsDawg]

Will tried to lose it, again

The DB slipped or it was over

[magrooder]

He'll miss left this time.

[Matt3467]

How much rope do we continue to give Rogers? I can't see how some people on here defend him to the death.

[CadaverDawg]

Now he overcompensates and pushes it

[BeardoMSU]

Jesus...we haven't lost yet.

[msstate7]

Nice kicking

[RocketDawg]

Well played by Biscardi.

[R2Dawg]

Kicker got some guts. He gets award. 3 in a row.

[SilentSteel16]

How much rope do we continue to give Rogers? I can't see how some people on here defend him to the death.

You give him all the rope UNTIL somebody proves they are better.

[CadaverDawg]

Holy shit, he cleared it by a foot

[HoopsDawg]

Why are we spiking with 2 timeouts?

The average fan has no idea how bad that was.

[msstate7]

The DB slipped or it was over

That was on the WR - bucky

[DownwardDawg]

Jesus...we haven't lost yet.

We trying though!!! Lol
I can't believe he made 3 in a row.
We need a stop here and win this thing in OT.

[msstate7]

The average fan has no idea how bad that was.

We need that TO... still holding it

[EdwardDrayton]

Biscardi just sold his soul at the Crossroads

[BeardoMSU]

Holy shit, how is that possible?!?!

[parabrave]

great we get to go to OT with a gassed defense. We are going to have to carry Wheat off like Winslow, well crap but a crappy kick helps us

[Matt3467]

You give him all the rope UNTIL somebody proves they are better.

Don't think I've seen another QB throw more than 2 passes the last 2 years.

[DownwardDawg]

Wow!!!!

[magrooder]

Wow. Talk about lucky

[msstate7]

We need that TO... still holding it

Lol, maybe we actually did

[BulldogBear]

Now that's the K and ST nuts we've been dreaming of!

[BeardoMSU]

Nice run, Will.

[parabrave]

Great run will

[msstate7]

Great job, will

[msstate7]

Gotta kick it here right?

[BeardoMSU]

Great redemption moment for Biscardi right here.

[DownwardDawg]

Kick it!!

[Bdawg]

Damn don’t slide!! Dive for 5 more!!!!!

[magrooder]

I don't trust us to run a play and still have time to kick a fg

[R2Dawg]

This is dumb now.

[BeardoMSU]

Great....

[CadaverDawg]

What the F are we doing? I mean, we can't do shit right

[magrooder]

Unreal

[DownwardDawg]

Stupid

[RocketDawg]

I guess that was better than an interception.

[parabrave]

Ok Bus time to make up for those missed ones

[magrooder]

Not. Even. Close.

[parabrave]

hope the D got rested up.

[PMDawg]

Only fitting we lose bc of yet another penalty. Lol

[Statecoachingblows**]

Jesus our kicking game SUCKS

[R2Dawg]

That just shows we don't have a clue on the sidelines

[CadaverDawg]

What has Leach improved?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

So why didnt Rayburn try the long FG?

[CoachT14]

There’s no way Raybon shouldn’t have been ready to go there

[maroonmania]

We are a team of screwups though. Can't even snap the ball on a huge 3rd down. And then the kick barely makes it to the endzone.

[Bdawg]

Will slides and the penalty may have cost us close to 10 yards

[Bothrops]

Well we tried, well, sort of. OT favors the running game

[Lord McBuckethead]

No 17n idea. Massimo didn?t get it there from the 35.

[BeardoMSU]

What has Leach improved?

He gives quirky postgame interviews***

[State82]

What has Leach improved?

Absolutely nothing. This is a complete shit show of magnanimous proportions.

[maroonmania]

Will slides and the penalty may have cost us close to 10 yards

Its always something. We never have a team fundamentally sound enough to win a game at the end like that.

[parabrave]

lets go for 2 1st poss.

[CadaverDawg]

If I was a recruit, there would be no NIL worth going to this shit show

[Bdawg]

Its always something. We never have a team fundamentally sound enough to win a game at the end like that.

Once again our mental prowess shows up again

[Bothrops]

I dont think we've beaten Auburn in a real close game since 1999

[dawgday166]

I'm over Will as a good QB. He gets up quick in a game and then gets real lazy mentally and physically. Starts looking over at Leach for 20 secs before running each play, then down at the plays on his wrist, and slows down the tempo. Like a deer in headlights.

Also gets sloppy with footwork and starts throwing behind receivers, or sailing balls high etc. Can't count how many times RBs had to spin around to catch flare outs, killing their momentum and letting D catch up to them. Throw to Austin was damn near in the dirt. Sailed some balls high including the pick he threw.

I'm real tired of seeing us sprint out of the gates only to end 1st half fumbling and stumbling around and then carrying that over into 2nd half too. And I also have no idea what Will and the O do between series cause it don't look like they even think about football between each offensive series. Will's got enough experience now that he should be figuring out how the D adjusted and how he can attack it, but you can tell that don't happen between each series.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

We are a team of screwups though. Can't even snap the ball on a huge 3rd down. And then the kick barely makes it to the endzone.

Apparently the Leach system is so simple that a backup coach and GA's can solve it by halftime and shut it down with good athletes.

[Bdawg]

Just win the damn game! Let’s go!

[CoachT14]

Apparently the Leach system is so simple that a backup coach and GA's can solve it by halftime and shut it down with good athletes.

But our highly talented QB’s can’t.

[magrooder]

NO GOOD!!!!!!!

[msstate7]

Lol, we are the champions!

[parabrave]

Dam the kicking God looks upon us.

[BeardoMSU]

We really don't deserve this type of luck, lol...

[civildawg]

How did that not get flagged for running into kicker?

[parabrave]

No matter the outcome Leached got outcoached by cadilac williams.

[BeardoMSU]

That flag was ****in' gift, lol. Thanks stripes.

[BeardoMSU]

How did that not get flagged for running into kicker?

bowl season payments**

[magrooder]

What a dang PI call. We'll take it

[civildawg]

How was that PI? Jesus did we switch to Alabama helmets?

[parabrave]

See what happens when you put the ball in the endzone

[msstate7]

That flag was ****in' gift, lol. Thanks stripes.

I agree

[BeardoMSU]

Thank God this shit show of a game is over....

[DownwardDawg]

Thank GOD!!!!!!!

[magrooder]

Marks with the TD!!

[parabrave]

good run by marks

[CadaverDawg]

Well, they out-sucked us. Congrats.

Retire, Mike.

[mparkerfd20]

Whew

[PMDawg]

Hard to even care. This is just bad. This is like 2018 again. Enough talent to be really good, but scheme and QB make us average.

[Bdawg]

Holy crap! Was that interference?

[HancockCountyDog]

I am glad we won.

[Bothrops]

Yeaaaaaaaaaa

[msstate7]

Take that auburn!
Take that Cadillac!
We are BAs!

Winning is always better than losing, but we suck. OM might end the leach era, and I won't cry

[HoopsDawg]

Yay

[DownwardDawg]

Take that auburn!
Take that Cadillac!
We are BAs!

Winning is always better than losing, but we suck. OM might end the leach era, and I won't cry

Best post in this thread.

[EdwardDrayton]

It?s so Mississippi State to zap all our joy first and then win

[BeardoMSU]

We did it!!!**

https://media.tenor.com/l4znydhBmqIAAAAM/jim-carrey-look.gif

[TopDawg]

We win twice. They've got Cohen, that's going to hurt them much more than this game.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I told y?all that we are a 7-5 or maybe 8-4 team. Too many of y?all fell for coach34 telling you that there was no way we don?t go at least 9-3.

[Joebob]

It's funny to read all these comments. Y'all are entertaining!

Can't say I totally disagree with you though LOL

[BeardoMSU]

We win twice. They've got Cohen

I actually forgot all about Cohen during this shit show.

I hope he has extra piss in his breakfast cereal tomorrow morning.

[bulldawg28]

Take that auburn!
Take that Cadillac!
We are BAs!

Winning is always better than losing, but we suck. OM might end the leach era, and I won't cry

Ole Miss is going to beat our brains in.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Well, ya know 50% of the teams lost today. *

[dawgday166]

It?s so Mississippi State to zap all our joy first and then win

It doesn't even feel like a win ... that's for sure LOL.

[Bamboo]

Gotta give credit when it's due. Auburn came out with passion and determination. We couldn't stop their QB run and the odds were against us. Our guys didn't fold but instead showed some heart and pride to bring home the win. I truly thought we'd mstate this but glad I was wrong.

[CoachT14]

We couldn't stop their QB run. .

Only because of our inept QB and his inability to keep the offense on the field and give the defense bad field position.

[BeardoMSU]

Ole Miss is going to beat our brains in.

No...Georgia will beat our brains in....OM will sodomize what's left, and Lane will troll the ever living shit out of us afterwards...

[EdwardDrayton]

Ole Miss is going to beat our brains in.

Yep

[EdwardDrayton]

No...Georgia will beat our brains in....OM will sodomize what's left, and Lane will troll the ever living shit out of us afterwards...

Yep. LOL!!

[msstate7]

No...Georgia will beat our brains in....OM will sodomize what's left, and Lane will troll the ever living shit out of us afterwards...

OM May beat us worse. Kirby just wants to win the game... lane and OM wanna embarrass us.

[memsu06]

The Egg Bowl may be what ensures Ole Miss doesn't make it to the SEC Championship game if LSU has a hiccup along the way.

At least play for ruining Ole Miss's plans, then it will be announced Auburn hires Kiffin.

[CaptainObvious]

OM May beat us worse. Kirby just wants to win the game... lane and OM wanna embarrass us.

Lane will have to stand in line behind Leach and our players if he wants to embarrass us. They are doing a hell of job themselves!!!

[dawgday166]

The Egg Bowl may be what ensures Ole Miss doesn't make it to the SEC Championship game if LSU has a hiccup along the way.

At least play for ruining Ole Miss's plans, then it will be announced Auburn hires Kiffin.

Bama will smoke OM. LSU will have to lose twice.

[BeardoMSU]

Little brother shit...

https://twitter.com/HailState/status/1589105229261606912?s=20&t=DQpva6E0jgTijKZHJ-LiIQ

[EdwardDrayton]

The Egg Bowl may be what ensures Ole Miss doesn't make it to the SEC Championship game if LSU has a hiccup along the way.

At least play for ruining Ole Miss's plans, then it will be announced Auburn hires Kiffin.

We are going to get boat raced in the Egg Bowl.

[EdwardDrayton]

Lane will have to stand in line behind Leach and our players if he wants to embarrass us. They are doing a hell of job themselves!!!

Word

[msstate7]

Bama will smoke OM. LSU will have to lose twice.

Idk, bama has nothing to play for now. I think OM gets em

[dawgday166]

Idk, bama has nothing to play for now. I think OM gets em

You getting too cocky from today's picks LOL. Bama ain't THAT much down this year. Saban still hates Lane and OM can't throw much at all. OM did get 2 weeks to prepare for them tho but still ... Bama got too many dudes for OM to handle.

[BeardoMSU]

Idk, bama has nothing to play for now. I think OM gets em

Could definitely see it. Wouldn't be shocked if Bryce shuts down for the League, either, not to mention others.

[WhiskeyPirate]

I don’t see how bcs includes Bama with two losses now. Maybe a deal was cut and the torch has been,passed. I’m glad to see Nick suffer.

[msstate7]

You getting too cocky from today's picks LOL. Bama ain't THAT much down this year. Saban still hates Lane and OM can't throw much at all. OM did get 2 weeks to prepare for them tho but still ... Bama got too many dudes for OM to handle.

I just don't know how bama responds. They don't go to bama to play in the capital one bowl. When playoffs is out, do they even give a sheet?

[TrapGame]

I just don't know how bama responds. They don't go to bama to play in the capital one bowl. When playoffs is out, do they even give a sheet?

Maybe Nick will do some soul searching and realize it's time to retire.

[dawgday166]

I just don't know how bama responds. They don't go to bama to play in the capital one bowl. When playoffs is out, do they even give a sheet?

Well .. that could be but I don't see Saban letting that happen against Kiffin. Maybe against IC Cadillac but not Kiffin.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Bama will destroy ole miss

[maroonmania]

Gotta give credit when it's due. Auburn came out with passion and determination. We couldn't stop their QB run and the odds were against us. Our guys didn't fold but instead showed some heart and pride to bring home the win. I truly thought we'd mstate this but glad I was wrong.

Very glad we won but that game had nothing to do with Auburn passion and determination. Auburn looked like total crap the entire first half and didn't have any life until our QB turnovers and punting screwups injected life into their veins. Basically we did everything possible to give that game away to Auburn until we finally woke up toward the end of the 4th Q. Auburn's defense is mediocre at best and their offense can't pass the ball to save their lives.

[msstate7]

Very glad we won but that game had nothing to do with Auburn passion and determination. Auburn looked like total crap the entire first half and didn't have any life until our QB turnovers and punting screwups injected life into their veins. Basically we did everything possible to give that game away to Auburn until we finally woke up toward the end of the 4th Q. Auburn's defense is mediocre at best and their offense can't pass the ball to save their lives.

That was the sequel to 3-2... 2 bad teams embarrassing themselves

[EdwardDrayton]

Little brother shit...

https://twitter.com/HailState/status/1589105229261606912?s=20&t=DQpva6E0jgTijKZHJ-LiIQ

We?re going to the Dixie Bowl in Meridian.

https://i.postimg.cc/CxLHzqRt/D21-BA05-E-8126-42-C0-9169-3801499-BC99-C.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[ScoobaDawg]

Before you allow yourself to get excited about another game under Leach, think about the fact that we were up 21 at home over a team with a New AD, no head coach, and a new QB.... and we are sitting here sweating it out right now.

Never again. Leach is dead to me. Retire, Pirate

Exactly.... Just embarrassing

[CadaverDawg]

Little brother shit...

https://twitter.com/HailState/status/1589105229261606912?s=20&t=DQpva6E0jgTijKZHJ-LiIQ

My goodness, make the embarrassment stop

[ScoobaDawg]

Did that run get us in positive yardage??? ***

[ScoobaDawg]

Take that auburn!
Take that Cadillac!
We are BAs!

Winning is always better than losing, but we suck. OM might end the leach era, and I won't cry

Last time I cheered for them was Croom
I don't know.. Even 3 loses to um might not make a new AD act.

[ScoobaDawg]

We win twice. They've got Cohen, that's going to hurt them much more than this game.

I disagree right now.
This game is going to hurt the momentum for NLI... Which he was right about. Ugh

[ScoobaDawg]

It doesn't even feel like a win ... that's for sure LOL.

I'll admit. I changed it at halftime to watch Bama - lsu and then the Astros win. Not because I thought we would carry on and win.. Just because I wouldn't let this crap ruin my evening
Just finished watching. Just stupid how that 2nd half went. So done with leach.

[ScoobaDawg]

Little brother shit...

https://twitter.com/HailState/status/1589105229261606912?s=20&t=DQpva6E0jgTijKZHJ-LiIQ

Amazing how in the Croom days this would be unthinkable.
Funny even more how we yawn over it now.

We expect more with a upper class heavy team.
And am tired of Birmingham and Memphis bowls.

[parabrave]

Amazing how in the Croom days this would be unthinkable.
Funny even more how we yawn over it now.

We expect more with a upper class heavy team.
And am tired of Birmingham and Memphis bowls.

Scoob you are right with the Upper class team/ We get a chance to go to a dam good bowl every 4-5 year. 2018 was the last because of the talent we had. This year because it's Leachs 3rd year. We have a 3rd year QB with an experienced receiving Corps and Defense. Plus the SEC is down this year. We had a chance to beat LSU but got outcoached in the 2nd half, screwed the pooch against an inferior KY game Lost to BAMa and now got UGA and OM to go. Some of us expected 10-2 or 9-3 and these were reasonable expectations. We will be lucky to get to 7-5. So yes we do have a right to be pissed.

[BeardoMSU]

Amazing how in the Croom days this would be unthinkable.
Funny even more how we yawn over it now.

We expect more with a upper class heavy team.
And am tired of Birmingham and Memphis bowls.

The pill is more painful to swallow when your in-state rival is looking at back-to-back access bowls, in a "rebuilding year", no less.

[ScoobaDawg]

The pill is more painful to swallow when your in-state rival is looking at back-to-back access bowls, in a "rebuilding year", no less.

Yep. And we can only hope they loose their head coach.

Pretty pathetic feeling.
I don't believe.
I don't hope.

We NEED change.

[PikeDawg15]

The pill is more painful to swallow when your in-state rival is looking at back-to-back access bowls, in a "rebuilding year", no less.

Yep.

[Tater]

Yep. And we can only hope they loose their head coach.

Pretty pathetic feeling.
I don't believe.
I don't hope.

We NEED change.

I'm annoyed that our shit started working in the fourth quarter when our QB stopped being a ***** (yes Bucky, Will played scared for a solid 2 hours real time) and looking to his left side. Pathetic showing by Rogers and if he doesn't magically start making the 15 yard out on a rope then he doesn't need to be the QB.

This Leach offense design can work, but he needs to stop tying himself to Will unfortunately. Last night should have been a record setting 700 or so passing yards. But Will was too scared to read to his left unless it was an auto throw that way. Auburn running single high safety that much was a ****ing joke.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Well we have to take our 1 to 2.25 quarters off every single game. This game we took off 3 quarters.

[Lord McBuckethead]

UM had like 300 rushing against them, didn?t they?

[Goldendawg]

I woke up this morning feeling like we lost. Maybe it's just me, unfortunately not, I'm afraid. We fired JoMo after two winning seasons and two Egg wins. Unless we beat UM, Leach and his little sheet of paper, draw it up in the dirt, kids' backyard offense has lost me.

[Bamboo]

Very glad we won but that game had nothing to do with Auburn passion and determination. Auburn looked like total crap the entire first half and didn't have any life until our QB turnovers and punting screwups injected life into their veins. Basically we did everything possible to give that game away to Auburn until we finally woke up toward the end of the 4th Q. Auburn's defense is mediocre at best and their offense can't pass the ball to save their lives.

Auburn came out in the second half with passion and intensity. Their coach showed the same. It caught us off guard but we didn't lay down and quit. Yes we got lucky on the pi, but they got off with flagrant hold on their last TD. I'm not quitting on this team and I do think we beat the rednecks.

Btw...I'm not a huge Leach fan by any stretch, but with a smaller recruiting budget we will have to rely on gimmick type offense to compete especially as the player "salary" demands increase.