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Todd4State
10-09-2022, 11:28 PM
Offense

We look good running the Air Raid. We're averaging 38.5 PPG and that would be way higher if we could make extra points. I consider Dak to be the gold standard of MSU QB development. I think some people may not realize it but Will is the same age as Dak in 2013. So, he is way ahead of where Dak is as a college QB. That's not to say that Will is or is not going to be a great NFL QB. Just speaking strictly on college QB development. What I am saying is he is good now- really good- but I still think that there is another level that he can maybe get to. Even if I'm wrong he's still really good. But if that next level is out there- we're looking at maybe getting 40 points per game with maybe even dare I say it- some 50 point games in there. I think that next level includes more tempo and some different formations and the jet/fly sweep. Part of that is our running backs have also matured and can now break tackles and the vision is better. I'd even like to see Simeon Price more as the change of pace speed guy on some wheel routes. We are deep at WR. Lots of different types of guys. We've got the tall 6'3" and taller guys like Ducking and Robinson. We've got the all around guy in Rara. We've got true slot guys like Rufus and Calvin, we have shifty space guys like Walley and Tulu. And then we have the possession guy in Austin Williams. Most of those guys will be back next year too. And the offensive line has really gelled too with most of those guys coming back next year too. It may be next year that we see that next level but I really think it's out there. Leach has gotten a lot of criticism from our fans since he has been here over his style but the thing about this offense is it works. First and foremost. And we don't need Alabama talent to make it work like Croom's. If we are down by 28 in the third quarter we're not out of it and we can easily convert a 3rd and 20 at anytime with this offense unlike Dan's. This scheme gives us a chance and that's really all I ask for.

Defense

I think our numbers don't really do our defense a lot of favors as to how good they really have been. We're allowing 21 PPG and my hope was 24 so we are pace there. And that's what really matters. However, to be objective some of that is damage that has been done in garbage time. If you take that away we're really probably a 16-18 PPG defense. Also, I think this unit may improve as the year goes along. We struggle with mobile QB's and our next two opponents have QB's coming off of injury- assuming Levis and Young play. If that happens, we're looking at two guys who are going to want to likely minimize their scrambling. Auburn has a dual threat QB, but they have struggled on offense. Georgia and Ole Miss have QB's who are more scramble when necessary guys. Another thing to discuss is Jaden Crumedy eventually returning- possibly by Auburn. That should improve our front against the run some as well and if nothing else improve our depth. And despite the garbage time inflation this number of sacks and interceptions this defense has caused this year are among the lead leaders in the SEC and much improved from last year. Because of injuries and suspensions for targeting we have found some more players like JP Purvis who has played well. And our secondary hasn't been too bad this year as it appears as if Arnett is starting to minimize using Duncan in coverage as much. As far as the future goes my hope is that we hit the portal and focus hard on getting 2-4 elite EDGE rushers and three safeties. This would allow us to use whoever returns from the Crumedy, Pickering, and Young trio to play inside exclusively. We're also going to need a replacement for Tyrus Wheat. And adding two new OLB EDGE rushers would allow us to slide Jett Johnson inside to MLB which would make us more athletic. If Forbes goes pro I'm fine with DeCam and Banks at CB but losing Green and Matthews at S worries me as far as that position group is concerned unless Ellington and Morant step up along with Duncan.

Special teams

Outside of place kicking this group has been very good outside of an Austin Williams muffed punt. I would like to see us get a kicking specialist like we had when Chris Boniol was here. I don't think Leach would be against it as this could be an off the field position. Anyway we're going to need a new kicker next year no matter what. Our punters have been good overall. That punt to the 1 inch line was about as good as you're ever going to see. Tulu is an elite return guy and Xavion is a very good punt return guy. Coverage and all of that has been good. Just need to fix the place kicking.

Let's hope for a second half that is as good or better than the first half!

msu15
10-09-2022, 11:57 PM
You sure that Bookie isn't coming back next year?

Todd4State
10-10-2022, 12:51 AM
You sure that Bookie isn't coming back next year?

I think he's coming back. I know this isn't popular to say but he's pretty slow.

FISHDAWG
10-10-2022, 06:39 AM
Good post Todd ... I'm starting to think that a lot of our place kicking problems begin with the holder... I keep seeing a kicker many times (and misses) having to kick the laces

Santiago
10-10-2022, 07:26 AM
We may have a heck of a team coming back next year. This is also allowing us to develop the younger OL, and positions.
Also - winning games is helping us with the sophomore and juniors in HS

BrunswickDawg
10-10-2022, 07:38 AM
I agree about adding more tempo - which we are actually seeing more and more of. We saw some last year too.
I guess I'll never get the fascination with jet sweeps though. Maybe its because it seems we have never been able to run them well. I just don't find them to be all that effective unless you have a guy like Achane who has world class speed. SEC defenses have become disciplined at containing the edge and sniffing them out you see a lot of things like the jet sweep and the bubble screen getting blown up just as much or more than you see them working.

Commercecomet24
10-10-2022, 08:41 AM
Good post Todd ... I'm starting to think that a lot of our place kicking problems begin with the holder... I keep seeing a kicker many times (and misses) having to kick the laces

This! our problem in the kicking game
Is the holder. I've went back and watched every kick, and every miss by Raybon has been kicking laces. When he gets a good hold his kicks are dead center. That 52 yarder was dead center. The holds have not been good and the miss fg Saturday the ball was still spinning when he kicked it and trafford fumbled a hold on an xp.

PMDawg
10-10-2022, 09:05 AM
This! our problem in the kicking game
Is the holder. I've went back and watched every kick, and every miss by Raybon has been kicking laces. When he gets a good hold his kicks are dead center. That 52 yarder was dead center. The holds have not been good and the miss fg Saturday the ball was still spinning when he kicked it and trafford fumbled a hold on an xp.

Well, Leach said he's about to start kicking some XPs and FGs himself, but maybe we need him to sub in for the holder instead!

Commercecomet24
10-10-2022, 09:09 AM
Well, Leach said he's about to start kicking some XPs and FGs himself, but maybe we need him to sub in for the holder instead!

You know as frustrated as we all are, Leach has got to be ready to strangle someone. Trafford has not been good holding, I look at the hold on every kick now, and I've never done that in the past.

PikeDawg15
10-10-2022, 09:16 AM
You know as frustrated as we all are, Leach has got to be ready to strangle someone. Trafford has not been good holding, I look at the hold on every kick now, and I've never done that in the past.

Could be the Long Snapper also

BlackSailsDawg
10-10-2022, 09:39 AM
Ramble away sir. Ramble away. I will say it again. Isn't it great that this is where we are.


On defense. We are much better due to 2 factors. We are actually getting to QBs. One reason is the LB play. Loved Brule, but he could never finish. Second is an improved Secondary. Yes, we lost a great representative to the NFL, but as a group, we are better!

BrunswickDawg
10-10-2022, 02:14 PM
Just to emphasize again that what we have seen so far is in line with Leach's best teams:

https://twitter.com/langloismsu/status/1579525325515415558?s=46&t=FEZqvxevtFatirKR0D8sqA

Of that 48-5: he was 10-1 in 2008 in games with 350/100.

Leeshouldveflanked
10-10-2022, 02:27 PM
Could be the Long Snapper also
You would think that maybe one of these 6 QBs or 20 WRs might could hold?

Tater
10-10-2022, 06:32 PM
Leach is 8-0 in games when he attempts 35 or more rushes. All against conference opponents.

msu15
10-10-2022, 08:56 PM
You would think that maybe one of these 6 QBs or 20 WRs might could hold?

Archer is the only one currently that can hold lefty.

Leroy Jenkins
10-10-2022, 09:02 PM
The defense is all-around good, but they are situationally great.

Leroy Jenkins
10-10-2022, 09:03 PM
You would think that maybe one of these 6 QBs or 20 WRs might could hold?

I don't know the cure but typically the other specialists hold because everyone else is busy during practice.

Lord McBuckethead
10-10-2022, 11:10 PM
Sweeps are awesome if you can pull a LB out on the fake.

somebodyshotmypaw
10-11-2022, 08:54 AM
I like #18 Justin Robinson. Obviously he has talent, or he wouldn't have signed with Georgia. There is something there for this staff to work with. He is getting more playing time also as he learns this offense.

THE Bruce Dickinson
10-11-2022, 09:04 AM
The defense is all-around good, but they are situationally great.

I agree. We aren't a completely smothering defense. We give up chunks of yards sometimes, but we are very opportunistic and get takeaways. It's been a fun group to watch this year so far

Johnson85
10-11-2022, 10:13 AM
I think he's coming back. I know this isn't popular to say but he's pretty slow.

Yea, he seems like he's a step slow to play professionally, but hard to tell who is willing to come back for a 6th year. Hopefully he is but I wouldn't count on it.

I really hope we have a plan to use some of our NIL money to entice some key players to use their 6th year of eligibility next year.

Commercecomet24
10-11-2022, 10:20 AM
I agree. We aren't a completely smothering defense. We give up chunks of yards sometimes, but we are very opportunistic and get takeaways. It's been a fun group to watch this year so far

Yep, agreed! We are top 20 in nation in red zone defense and third down defense as well as leading the sec in turnovers. All those are signs of a well coached team. Great football teams are always leaders in situational football.

Offshore Dawg
10-11-2022, 12:11 PM
Todd is just warming up for baseball season !!!