Next 3 games

[KOdawg1]

Have to figure out a way to go 2-1.

1-2 or God forbid 0-3 and we'll know Leach will never win here.

Win 2 and we can still win 8 games. Win all 3 and we have a shot at 9. Get it done Leach.

[Maverick91]

We come out and execute and play disciplined football. We win the next three games.

[PikeDawg15]

We have a really good shot to win all 3 games . But I also thought we had a good shot to beat LSU.

I will go ahead and say I think we lose Saturday but I?m not confident in saying that.

[lastmajordog]

Sitting here suffering through the video of the om game last year. Honest question guys......no matter the rest of the year.....what if CML's “DOGS” lose to Kiffin’s rebs this year?. ...Three years in a row, no impressive outings......what are your thought’s ????

[Bothrops]

If we lose Saturday it's going to be ugly around here. Better get this one because Arkansas will be coming off two losses when they face us next week. They will be really desperate for a win.

[DownwardDawg]

I believe this coming Saturday is the beginning of the end for leach at State. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be watching and pulling hard for the dogs but I have no confidence in leach.

[Maverick91]

I believe this coming Saturday is the beginning of the end for leach at State. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be watching and pulling hard for the dogs but I have no confidence in leach.

Why? Is it just his system or is it more?

[Goldendawg]

Why? Is it just his system or is it more?

Playing 10 on 11 with the D having no fear the QB will run doesn't help. I doubt any remaining SEC opponent fears playing us on D. When I watch our O trying to make a 10 to 12 play drive on mainly short and intermediate passes and not make a mistake against good SEC DE's and CB's, I am drawn up more than Dan calling 3rd down plays against bama. I hope I eat my words on this post starting Saturday.

[Maverick91]

Playing 10 on 11 with the D having no fear the QB will run doesn't help. I doubt any remaining SEC opponent fears playing us on D. When I watch our O trying to make a 10 to 12 play drive on mainly short and intermediate passes and not make a mistake against good SEC DE's and CB's, I am drawn up more than Dan calling 3rd down plays against bama. I hope I eat my words on this post starting Saturday.

So it?s just the system you have worries about? Not his ability to manage the team?

[Goldendawg]

So it?s just the system you have worries about? Not his ability to manage the team?

Yes, have heard nothing about an inability to manage team. I think they like him and play hard. The last 3 years I have heard how young we are. If some of or O and D line don't want to hang around for year 5, if eligible, we will truly be young next year. It just seems like the offense has to play perfect to succeed against SEC opponents. JMO.

[Maverick91]

Yes, have heard nothing about an inability to manage team. I think they like him and play hard. The last 3 years I have heard how young we are. If some of or O and D line don't want to hang around for year 5, if eligible, we will truly be young next year. It just seems like the offense has to play perfect to succeed against SEC opponents. JMO.

I?m worried about about consistency and not making stupid plays like we did verse LSU. His system works just like all the others, every system outside of Jimbos usually doesnt sputter when they have elite athletes. Ours sputters every now and then again due to not having top end talent. I think we just need to play clean ball and not drop passes, we would ave won LSU if we just caught the balls we were supposed too.

[FISHDAWG]

I'm far from a Sunshine Pumper but I have a feeling we go 3-0 .... I KNOW we are capable and that doesn't always translate but face it - we screwed ourselves with LSU ... Most folks here would have thought at the end of the third qtr we would win that game ... and we should have. Now it's time to nut up and play the way we are capable ... and I just have a feeling that's what we do

[chef dixon]

I could see it going every single combination of results. It feels like we are good, but not good enough to really stomp good teams out or overcome many mistakes.

[DownwardDawg]

Why? Is it just his system or is it more?

I agree with goldendawg. It's the system that I'm not sold on. I don't think Leach has a problem with losing a team. He's pretty strong in his leadership it seems. I think SEC teams that have equal to better talent than us (which is 90% of sec teams) will be able to keep this offense from scoring many points. I even think back to the egg bowl last year. We were so much better than ole miss but we couldn't overcome mistakes. We should have beaten them badly but since we dropped a couple of easy TD passes, those killed the drives. And we can't strike quickly.

[Maverick91]

I agree with goldendawg. It's the system that I'm not sold on. I don't think Leach has a problem with losing a team. He's pretty strong in his leadership it seems. I think SEC teams that have equal to better talent than us (which is 90% of sec teams) will be able to keep this offense from scoring many points. I even think back to the egg bowl last year. We were so much better than ole miss but we couldn't overcome mistakes. We should have beaten them badly but since we dropped a couple of easy TD passes, those killed the drives. And we can't strike quickly.

Point made. I follow. I chalk that one up to more so players not executing than the system not winning. I think back to how many drive were killed with humpback due to a false start. His offense was hard enough to get a first down but then you start at a 1st and 15 that killed so many drives before they even started with him.

One thing that gives me hope is games like auburn last year. I cannot think of an offense we have ran outside of leaches that would have allowed us to accomplish what we did that day.

[Coach34]

One thing that gives me hope is games like auburn last year. I cannot think of an offense we have ran outside of leaches that would have allowed us to accomplish what we did that day.

What- score 40 points? Mullen's offense did that every season at least once and scored 50 or more a couple of times. Some of you guys memories are pretty bad. Mullen's last 5 of 6 offenses averaged 30 plus a game. Leach has yet to do that for a season. We'll see if he maintains it this year

[Goldendawg]

What- score 40 points? Mullen's offense did that every season at least once and scored 50 or more a couple of times. Some of you guys memories are pretty bad. Mullen's last 5 of 6 offenses averaged 30 plus a game. Leach has yet to do that for a season. We'll see if he maintains it this year

Ok, I'll admit it. When this O plods along down the field with too many check downs to the backs trying to execute without making a mistake and sustain the drive with very few running plays, I find it as boring as "three yards and a cloud of dust". I can see why you call it the "airbone". Part of that perception is my fault, as I was expecting the air raid to feature long passes, stretch the field, and be more exciting. I, unlike many of you had never watched Leach's teams in the the past. I didn't know it was a ball control O through short and intermediate passes.

[Quaoarsking]

I believe this coming Saturday is the beginning of the end for leach at State. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be watching and pulling hard for the dogs but I have no confidence in leach.

Good thing Kentucky, Clemson, and Wake Forest fans didn't gave a loser, give-up mindset like this.

[Maverick91]

What- score 40 points? Mullen's offense did that every season at least once and scored 50 or more a couple of times. Some of you guys memories are pretty bad. Mullen's last 5 of 6 offenses averaged 30 plus a game. Leach has yet to do that for a season. We'll see if he maintains it this year

You are conveniently overlooking the point I was making. Name me a game where Mullen came from behind by more than 20+ to win? Also, mullen only scored more than 30 twice on auburn in ?11 and ?14.

Go a step further compare ******* first two years against leaches first two (against sec)
Mullen ?09 scored 180 points ?10 151 points
Leach (only 8 games used) 2020 156 points ?21 228 points.

I don?t buy into the fact that this offense will not work in this league. As many have stated it actually does give us a better chance at coming from behind.

[PikeDawg15]

Sitting here suffering through the video of the om game last year. Honest question guys......no matter the rest of the year.....what if CML's “DOGS” lose to Kiffin’s rebs this year?. ...Three years in a row, no impressive outings......what are your thought’s ????

If Leach Loses to Kiffin for the 3rd time in a row. The only way to counter that would be having a win over Alabama or Georgia this year.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Have to figure out a way to go 2-1.

1-2 or God forbid 0-3 and we'll know Leach will never win here.

Win 2 and we can still win 8 games. Win all 3 and we have a shot at 9. Get it done Leach.

Not really. Again, every coach listed here for future has been given 5 plus years to build a program.

[Quaoarsking]

A whole lot of people here and on SPS wanted to fire Mullen after 2013, and it's even worse today. People demand instant results on unrealistic timeframes, and when they do have examples of results, they contrive a reason for why it's actually not good enough.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Good thing Kentucky, Clemson, and Wake Forest fans didn't gave a loser, give-up mindset like this.

Yep. It took Clawson 5 years to build a team that could compete. It took Stoops even longer! Rotating coaches out every 3 years is program killing.

[BlackSailsDawg]

A whole lot of people here and on SPS wanted to fire Mullen after 2013, and it's even worse today. People demand instant results on unrealistic timeframes, and when they do have examples of results, they contrive a reason for why it's actually not good enough.

Yep. And it almost always never works out. Can you imagine where Wake Forrest would be right now had they fired Clawson after year 3?

[PikeDawg15]

So it?s just the system you have worries about? Not his ability to manage the team?

Ill pitch my opinion in here.

At a School like Mississippi State. No matter The system, you will have to have a Mobile QB in your offense unless you are on a team that has 5 star offensive Line like Georgia or another big boy that can block

You can not expect the 3 star right tackle who was recruited by western Kentucky, southern Miss, and tulane to block the 5 star defensive end who was highly recruited by Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Clemson...

Almost every other middle of the pack Power 5 team knows that and has a mobile QB in their offense. We have a QB that is a statue in the pocket who if 10 yards is free in front of him cant get there and get the 1st down when everyone else has a QB who will and can do that.

Will is not a bad QB but his complete lack of mobility will kill us in the SEC at a program like us.

Will would have 0 Problems if he had 5 star offensive lineman or NFL lineman. You started seeing it during the 2000's with lower tier power 5's using Mobile QB's in their offense to add another element to their offense that the defense will have to account for.

It sucks because I really Like Will Rogers and pray he succeeds its just the fact his Offensive line isn't talented enough to go up against the big boys and he doesn't have the legs to roll out of the pocket.

[PikeDawg15]

Leach wont even have a slightly warm seat if he just kicks ole miss's ass. At the end of the day everyone knows we wouldn't be so hard on Leach if Lane Kiffin didn't just go 10-2 at Ole Miss and we look like the 2nd team in the state..... that's the truth.

Leach hasn't been bad accounting for our programs history its just that lane kiffin got so good so quick at Ole Miss

[BlackSailsDawg]

Leach wont even have a slightly warm seat if he just kicks ole miss's ass. At the end of the day everyone knows we wouldn't be so hard on Leach if Lane Kiffin didn't just go 10-2 at Ole Miss and we look like the 2nd team in the state..... that's the truth.

Leach hasn't been bad accounting for our programs history its just that lane kiffin got so good so quick at Ole Miss


Lane walked into that. Leach walked into a team that Mullen had stopped recruiting in his last 2 years, followed by a guy who allowed players to control the team. There is no comparison to who inherited what and who inherited what they needed for their system. Had we hired Leach at the beginning of this season, it would be more comparable.

[KOdawg1]

Not really. Again, every coach listed here for future has been given 5 plus years to build a program.

Yes really. 3 years is long enough to show what he is.

In todays college football, you can't give a guy 5 years to produce. That's just insane.

[PikeDawg15]

Lane walked into that. Leach walked into a team that Mullen had stopped recruiting in his last 2 years, followed by a guy who allowed players to control the team. There is no comparison to who inherited what and who inherited what they needed for their system. Had we hired Leach at the beginning of this season, it would be more comparable.

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

[PikeDawg15]

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

And don't get me wrong. We should not be considering firing a coach in his 3rd year after firing one after 2 years.

Im just saying that Lane Kiffin is a great coach.

[DownwardDawg]

Good thing Kentucky, Clemson, and Wake Forest fans didn't gave a loser, give-up mindset like this.

So watching the game and pulling hard for my team is a loser and give up mindset? Man your post sucks.

[Goldendawg]

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

They have a cupcake schedule so far compared to us, but if he wins 9 to 10 with another NYD bowl after bringing in 19 new players, he is indeed a very good coach. Tulsa showed that again they can't stop the run. Let's see how their year plays out, but a third straight loss to them would be a very bitter pill to swallow!

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yes really. 3 years is long enough to show what he is.

In todays college football, you can't give a guy 5 years to produce. That's just insane.

No it's not. And yes you can and history shows it.


Look at Clawson. Look at Stoops. Look at Utah's HC. It's called building a program.

[BlackSailsDawg]

State was not in a good position at all but.... You don't think Ole Miss wasn't a Dumpster Fire in 2019???

Ole Miss had just come off all those sanctions and had just went 4-8.

They also had a garbage culture too in the locker room with players hiking legs like dogs to lose football games...

I think it is comparable.

Only difference is Lane Kiffin had Matt Corrall on the roster and a few good wide receivers.

He had a ton of experience on that team and that team was built around a similar system. It was an easier transition. We had years of not being able to pass and moved to an air raid.

Their culture was not as bad as our. Hiking a leg is not walking off practice fields simply because you wanted to. It's not that same as breaking the starting QB's eye socket putting him out of the bowl game.

[Goldendawg]

So watching the game and pulling hard for my team is a loser and give up mindset? Man your post sucks.

100%. It is a tough gig to be a State fan and takes a lot of love and loyalty, not counting hard earned $. Look at our overall history and many of us have stuck it out no matter what, "waiting till next year". Don't expect to win the conference and certainly not a NC anytime soon, but expect better than 6-6 with 4 OOC wins and an unexciting low tier bowl. I've seen some good years. Tyler until OM helping lead us to NCAA probation, Bellard's good years, Jackie's best years with my only trip to Atlanta, and Dan taking us to #1 for 4 or so weeks. State fans are not losers! We are long suffering, always hope for the best, and deserve much better than we often get! Hail State!

[KOdawg1]

No it's not. And yes you can and history shows it.


Look at Clawson. Look at Stoops. Look at Utah's HC. It's called building a program.

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

[Goldendawg]

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

Getting paid $5 mil or more a year also factors into this, whether you like it or not. Heck, if we beat aTm, you might can add Jimbo to your list. Your list is short. You can add Herm at AZ, Dan at FL, Collins at GT, and many more. It wouldn't have mattered if we had given "I didn't see that coming", 48-0 loss to OM Croom 10 years to put in his "Less Coast Offense". The game has changed. You can't recruit in the very bottom of the SEC, find diamonds in the rough, have a developmental program and expect to win 9 or more games in the NIL, transfer portal SEC anymore. JMO.

[KOdawg1]

Getting paid $5 mil or more a year also factors into this, whether you like it or not.
Correct. He's getting paid 450K per game. Half of those have been losses. 450K for a loss is not a good return on investment if you ask me

[BlackSailsDawg]

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

Who said JoMo should have been given 5 year? Not me. He lost control of the football team. Players were walking out of practice because they wanted to. Players fighting. The QB was put out of the bowl game by our own LB and the LB still played. You are over the top extreme on this. If any coach allows that, it don't matter in what year, they should be fired. Would not care if it was Saban.

The Portal and NIL change nothing about building a program and a mentality to the team.

I can list example after example. I already listed 3. Stoops, Clawson (at each stop), and the Utah coach. here is another, Mizzou.

Pinkel took 7 years to build that program to a 12 win season. Once he got there (2007) this was his record. 81-38 with five seasons of 10 plus wins in a season and two of those were 12 wins. One 11 win.

History is not on your side with this.

[TrapGame]

So Joe Moorhead should've been given 5 years? Matt Luke should've been given 5 years? Jeremy Pruitt? Chad Morris? Willie Taggart? With the portal and NIL, it doesn't take 5 years to build a program. Back in the day, sure. But you're wrong.

Moorhead would have been given 5 years if he maintained discipline and a top notch S&C program. That was his ultimate downfall.

[DownwardDawg]

100%. It is a tough gig to be a State fan and takes a lot of love and loyalty, not counting hard earned $. Look at our overall history and many of us have stuck it out no matter what, "waiting till next year". Don't expect to win the conference and certainly not a NC anytime soon, but expect better than 6-6 with 4 OOC wins and an unexciting low tier bowl. I've seen some good years. Tyler until OM helping lead us to NCAA probation, Bellard's good years, Jackie's best years with my only trip to Atlanta, and Dan taking us to #1 for 4 or so weeks. State fans are not losers! We are long suffering, always hope for the best, and deserve much better than we often get! Hail State!

100% brother!!!!!!

[Goldendawg]

Moorhead would have been given 5 years if he maintained discipline and a top notch S&C program. That was his ultimate downfall.

Disagree. His standing on the sidelines "studying" SEC defenses that he arrogantly thought he could outsmart as he finally got his play in with 3 seconds left on the clock would never have worked. His version of the RPO reminded me of Croom's West Coast Offense. His lack of people skills with fans was also a disaster. He gained fool's gold having Barkley and McSorley (?) at Penn State.

[KOdawg1]

Who said JoMo should have been given 5 year? Not me. He lost control of the football team. Players were walking out of practice because they wanted to. Players fighting. The QB was put out of the bowl game by our own LB and the LB still played. You are over the top extreme on this. If any coach allows that, it don't matter in what year, they should be fired. Would not care if it was Saban.

The Portal and NIL change nothing about building a program and a mentality to the team.

I can list example after example. I already listed 3. Stoops, Clawson (at each stop), and the Utah coach. here is another, Mizzou.

Pinkel took 7 years to build that program to a 12 win season. Once he got there (2007) this was his record. 81-38 with five seasons of 10 plus wins in a season and two of those were 12 wins. One 11 win.

History is not on your side with this.

And history is irrelevant in the current landscape of college football. That's what you're not getting.

[KOdawg1]

Moorhead would have been given 5 years if he maintained discipline and a top notch S&C program. That was his ultimate downfall.

Uhh no

[DawgFromOxford]

It feels like we are good, but not good enough to really stomp good teams out.

That's been my struggle with the team this year. For such a veteran team, we show no ability to put the nail in the coffin and close out a game when we have the chance. Look at our first 2 games. Sure we won by a couple of scores, but we could've (should've) put the game away by the 3rd quarter. Instead we drug it out into the 4th and didn't completely close the other team out of the game. LSU game, get a stop before half and come out and score and the home team is staring at a 20-0 scoreboard. Instead, we let them back in the game to say the least. I don't know if its a player thing or staff thing, but there's not killer instinct in this group.

[Goldendawg]

That's been my struggle with the team this year. For such a veteran team, we show no ability to put the nail in the coffin and close out a game when we have the chance. Look at our first 2 games. Sure we won by a couple of scores, but we could've (should've) put the game away by the 3rd quarter. Instead we drug it out into the 4th and didn't completely close the other team out of the game. LSU game, get a stop before half and come out and score and the home team is staring at a 20-0 scoreboard. Instead, we let them back in the game to say the least. I don't know if its a player thing or staff thing, but there's not killer instinct in this group.

Until they play 4 quarters in one game, cut down on mistakes, and win said games to prove me wrong, I'm afraid our experienced team is just a year older and not much better.

[TrapGame]

Disagree. His standing on the sidelines "studying" SEC defenses that he arrogantly thought he could outsmart as he finally got his play in with 3 seconds left on the clock would never have worked. His version of the RPO reminded me of Croom's West Coast Offense. His lack of people skills with fans was also a disaster. He gained fool's gold having Barkley and McSorley (?) at Penn State.


Uhh no

I know. And I agree.

BUT... it was a colossal shit show getting this guy fired with OBVIOUS problems with team discipline. If he was just a bad Xs and Os coach but maintained culture and discipline Keenum would have given him 5 years. Y'all know we do this shit all the time.

[BlackSailsDawg]

And history is irrelevant in the current landscape of college football. That's what you're not getting.

No, I get what you are saying. Nil is here. The portal has been here 4 years. Our recruiting remains at the same levels. But none of that changes program building. In fact, it gives a greater need than ever. Stability is what it takes to build the recruiting landscape that we need. You keep changing out coaches and and you keep getting bumped down because players do not know what to expect out of the new coach and they know they only have 4 years to play. Case after case after case in this current environment can show that.

It takes time to build a program. The identity. Changes in the system. Building up the recruiting base to meet your needs. Building long term success is stability. Rotating coaches is nothing more than trying to catch lightening in a bottle.

In this case, we are at the base of what we can be. We did a major overhaul and are now pulling in recruits that have our QB rroom, RB room, WR room at a higher level than ever. Give the man time to continue to build those and the OL to go with it.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Quote Originally Posted by chef dixon View Post
It feels like we are good, but not good enough to really stomp good teams out.




That's been my struggle with the team this year. For such a veteran team, we show no ability to put the nail in the coffin and close out a game when we have the chance. Look at our first 2 games. Sure we won by a couple of scores, but we could've (should've) put the game away by the 3rd quarter. Instead we drug it out into the 4th and didn't completely close the other team out of the game. LSU game, get a stop before half and come out and score and the home team is staring at a 20-0 scoreboard. Instead, we let them back in the game to say the least. I don't know if its a player thing or staff thing, but there's not killer instinct in this group.

But isn't it great to know that we are looking in the review mirror of not even being able to compete? We just have to learn to take that next step.

[Coach34]

Look at Clawson. Look at Stoops. Look at Utah's HC. It's called building a program.

It's not 2010 anymore. Portal and free transfers rule the day

[Goldendawg]

I know. And I agree.

BUT... it was a colossal shit show getting this guy fired with OBVIOUS problems with team discipline. If he was just a bad Xs and Os coach but maintained culture and discipline Keenum would have given him 5 years. Y'all know we do this shit all the time.

His career bounce back as the OC at Oregon shows that is were his ceiling needs to be, just like Croom was basically a career NFL RB coach and really how hard is that with NFL RB's? I know JoMo is now head coach at Akron and that also speaks for itself. People who are promoted above their real abilities seldom works out. Now about our AD.

[BlackSailsDawg]

It's not 2010 anymore. Portal and free transfers rule the day

And it has not changed any of what I said.

[Goldendawg]

But isn't it great to know that we are looking in the review mirror of not even being able to compete? We just have to learn to take that next step.

We competed under Dan for the most part and no I don't want that late season annual job searching guy back. The JoMo hire gutted the program. I know the hire looked good at the time on paper but look where he is now, Akron. His interview with Cohen must have been similar to the Ogre at OM.

[TrapGame]

We competed under Dan for the most part and no I don't want that late season annual job searching guy back. The JoMo hire gutted the program. I know the hire looked good at the time on paper but look where he is now, Akron. His interview with Cohen must have been similar to the Ogre at OM.

At least Moorhead can string together multiple syllable words.

He won't last 5 years at Akron either.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We competed under Dan for the most part and no I don't want that late season annual job searching guy back. The JoMo hire gutted the program. I know the hire looked good at the time on paper but look where he is now, Akron. His interview with Cohen must have been similar to the Ogre at OM.

Was not saying we were not competing under Mullen. I'm saying that we have left the Jomo years behind .


Let's really put it into focus for a minute. When is the last time a MSU team was the favorite on the road at LSU? to TAMU at home? etc.. When have we been picked as favorites in this many SEC games in a year? 69% over TAMU.. 73% over Ark... Favored over UK on the Road. Auburn.. a 93% chance

The people with the books are seeing it. Our fans need to be patient and let the man continue to build.

[Goldendawg]

No, I get what you are saying. Nil is here. The portal has been here 4 years. Our recruiting remains at the same levels. But none of that changes program building. In fact, it gives a greater need than ever. Stability is what it takes to build the recruiting landscape that we need. You keep changing out coaches and and you keep getting bumped down because players do not know what to expect out of the new coach and they know they only have 4 years to play. Case after case after case in this current environment can show that.

It takes time to build a program. The identity. Changes in the system. Building up the recruiting base to meet your needs. Building long term success is stability. Rotating coaches is nothing more than trying to catch lightening in a bottle.

In this case, we are at the base of what we can be. We did a major overhaul and are now pulling in recruits that have our QB rroom, RB room, WR room at a higher level than ever. Give the man time to continue to build those and the OL to go with it.

Players don't have to stay loyal to the coach, system, or school with the portal. One of our young running backs announced for the portal last week during the season but changed his mind for now. Players won't wait 3 or 4 years to develop if they are any good or think they are. They can leave after one year and as many times as they want. Developmental programs will go the way of the dodo bird. BTW, we are currently #42 in recruiting with no commits ranked .90 or better and our recruiting thread is dead on this site. Hope we have something on the back burners and finish stronger than it looks.

[Goldendawg]

Was not saying we were not competing under Mullen. I'm saying that we have left the Jomo years behind .


Let's really put it into focus for a minute. When is the last time a MSU team was the favorite on the road at LSU? to TAMU at home? etc.. When have we been picked as favorites in this many SEC games in a year? 69% over TAMU.. 73% over Ark... Favored over UK on the Road. Auburn.. a 93% chance

The people with the books are seeing it. Our fans need to be patient and let the man continue to build.

And how did that LSU game workout? Will be glad to discuss us being favored over a bunch of remaining ranked SEC teams if/when we win.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Players don't have to stay loyal to the coach, system, or school with the portal. One of our young running backs announced for the portal last week during the season but changed his mind for now. Players won't wait 3 or 4 years to develop if they are any good or think they are. They can leave after one year and as many times as they want. Developmental programs will go the way of the dodo bird. BTW, we are currently #42 in recruiting with no commits ranked .90 or better and our recruiting thread is dead on this site. Hope we have something on the back burners and finish stronger than it looks.

Never said that they have to, but they do everywhere you look. As being pointed out on a regular basis, a lot of these end up nowhere. But, we will just disagree here. Changing out coaches is program killing. You are not going to get the money from the fans because they are not going to want to until they see results. Every 2 to 3 years will kill that. But leave a good coach in place to build it, and the whole aspect of the program stabilizes. After 5 to 6 years, part ways if needs be.

This sends several messages. Next coach, unless you are just horrible or lose control of the team, we will give you time. As a coach that's wanted by many, what job are you going to take? The one that's in the dumpster because in 6 years time you have fired 3 coaches or the one that gave the time to build and he simplly failed? MSU in the dumpster over UT, LSU, TAMU, AU..... is always going to win out if it's a MSU in the dumpster because of recruiting. See what I mean?

We may never agree, but HAILSTATE!

[Coach34]

Let's really put it into focus for a minute. When is the last time a MSU team was the favorite on the road at LSU? to TAMU at home? etc.. When have we been picked as favorites in this many SEC games in a year? 69% over TAMU.. 73% over Ark... Favored over UK on the Road. Auburn.. a 93% chance .

2018 State was favored over A&M, Fla, Kentucky, and UPig...as well as Mississippi

[BlackSailsDawg]

And how did that LSU game workout? Will be glad to discuss us being favored over a bunch of remaining ranked SEC teams if/when we win.


That's not the point at all. The point is the people who put the lines out see it. Mullen was picked once as a favorite over TAMU. Never over LSU. The perception is changing on MSU.

[BlackSailsDawg]

2018 State was favored over A&M, Fla, Kentucky, and UPig...as well as Mississippi

2018 -1 vs TAMU

+10 vs UK

+ vs Au


We were favored over FL and Ark.

[Coach34]

2018 -1 vs TAMU

+10 vs UK

+ vs Au


We were favored over FL and Ark.

-1 against A&M is favored

We were also favored against UPig, Kentucky, and Mississippi as I mentioned. Here is an article talking about us being favored by 11 in Lexington:

https://maroonandwhitenation.com/2018/09/16/mississippi-state-football-point-spread-versus-kentucky-announced/

[BlackSailsDawg]

-1 against A&M is favored

We were also favored against UPig, Kentucky, and Mississippi as I mentioned. Here is an article talking about us being favored by 11 in Lexington:

https://maroonandwhitenation.com/2018/09/16/mississippi-state-football-point-spread-versus-kentucky-announced/

I understand what a -1 mean.


https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/database

Date Away Score Home Score Result Home Spread
Sep 22, 2018 MIS.ST 7 KENTUC 28 L +10.0


Ole Miss was a 12.5 favorite

Nov 22, 2018 MIS.ST 35 O-MISS 3 W +12.5


Maybe I don't understand the lines...........

[Goldendawg]

I understand what a -1 mean.


https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/database

Date Away Score Home Score Result Home Spread
Sep 22, 2018 MIS.ST 7 KENTUC 28 L +10.0


Ole Miss was a 12.5 favorite

Nov 22, 2018 MIS.ST 35 O-MISS 3 W +12.5


Maybe I don't understand the lines...........

I know better than to bet on State, but keep in mind they move the line up & down to keep the bet$ balanced for the bookies/vegas to make $. I am happy when we win. Don't care how much we were or were not favored.

[FISHDAWG]

Ok, I'll admit it. When this O plods along down the field with too many check downs to the backs trying to execute without making a mistake and sustain the drive with very few running plays, I find it as boring as "three yards and a cloud of dust". I can see why you call it the "airbone". Part of that perception is my fault, as I was expecting the air raid to feature long passes, stretch the field, and be more exciting. I, unlike many of you had never watched Leach's teams in the the past. I didn't know it was a ball control O through short and intermediate passes.

Time of possession is a good thing for us against good opponents... sure it's not easy to go 80 yards in 12-15 plays but even if we don't get in the end zone then it's not considered a total loss and does help us to an extent... not refuting you - just pointing out a different perspective that has some small value

[Coach34]

I understand what a -1 mean.


https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/database

Date Away Score Home Score Result Home Spread
Sep 22, 2018 MIS.ST 7 KENTUC 28 L +10.0


Ole Miss was a 12.5 favorite

Nov 22, 2018 MIS.ST 35 O-MISS 3 W +12.5


Maybe I don't understand the lines...........

����*♂️ You obviously don’t. That’s telling you Kentucky was +10 at kickoff and Mississippi was +12.5 at Kickoff. We were favored in both

[Quaoarsking]

So watching the game and pulling hard for my team is a loser and give up mindset? Man your post sucks.

If you give up on Leach no matter what happens on Saturday, you have a loser mindset.