Something strange happened last night...

[CadaverDawg]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.

What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

[msstate7]

This season was our shot. Losing to a guy that our whole fanbase has spent the whole offseason saying was gonna be a disaster has to be sobering.

[Pinto]

It?s because we didn?t win a game the other team was trying to lose to us.
For 3 quarters LSU was trying to lose that game and then we gave them life and the old LSU came back and throat stomped us.
It?s one thing to lose a game, it?s another to lose a game that was yours for the taking.

[Activated Alpha]

I think most of us are tired of losing to LSU and feeling like we always have our nuts shrivel up when we play the coonasses. Not sure why that is, but it's our reality. We are the better team and LSU is horrible this year. If they had even a remotely accurate QB the score would have been much much worse. To me this is the same feeling I had when I watched Croom coach us into oblivion for several years and why I became apathetic. That apathy is starting to set in again....

[basedog]

I'm like you CD, I never bought in with the Air Raid, I don't dislike Leach, I just don't think he will win big like so many who drank the kool aid. I do think all the hype about a "veteran team" and winning 8-10 games in pre-season and now with this Lsu loss has most wondering and questioning.

As much as I like Will Rogers, I'm now wanting to see Sawyer get a chance, I just think with our O-Line not being very good, we need someone who can roll out and throw better on the run.

Not sure we see many changes, it's not the Pirates way, obviously we didn't adjust the second half at all. Dang being up 13-0 then betting blown out 31-3 hurts!!!

[PikeDawg15]

Because we lost to a bad LSU team that is most likely going 7-5. We outplayed them in the first half

LSU did nothing special on offense , they played offense like a 13 year old would play madden , scramble with a running quarterback for 10 yards a play.

Daniels was their leading rusher??.

We just lost to a below average team when we had a 13 point lead with 1 minute left in the 2nd quarter and all the momentum ??

I?m not off the leach train just yet but will Rogers played like a low 3 star from Brandon high school. Which he is.

When are we as a program and fan base going to stop letting guys whose offer list looks like

Mississippi state
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Louisiana tech


Be our starters?.. we are an sec team , we shouldn?t accept this.

[Quaoarsking]

I think a lot of our fans convinced ourselves that this would be a special season, and now it's probably not going to be. It could still be an 8-4 type year, but we're not going 10-2 or anything like that anymore.

We just really, really wanted that win, thought we were going to get it, and thought it would be especially sweet to get it on the road at LSU. And what sucks on top of that is that to most LSU fans, we just another name on the schedule that they usually beat and assumed they would again. I don't think many of them were aware of the importance and expectations we were putting on the game. It was just another game for them with the expected outcome. I was at the game and did not get heckled once, because it was just a go-through-the-motions game for their fans, and it sucks so much that they were right.

We'll get over it though. This will dissipate, and we'll see this is nowhere near the level of disappointment as Florida 2018. Or Alabama 2014. Or those Egg Bowls (2015, 2017) that Mullen lost at home that cost us NY6 bids. Or losing the Egg Bowl while ranked #4 in the CFP rankings. Or the 3-2 game. Or losing to Louisiana Tech in 2008 and realizing that Croom's 2007 run was a fluke. Etc. Etc.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm like you CD, I never bought in with the Air Raid, I don't dislike Leach, I just don't think he will win big like so many who drank the kool aid. I do think all the hype about a "veteran team" and winning 8-10 games in pre-season and now with this Lsu loss has most wondering and questioning.

As much as I like Will Rogers, I'm now wanting to see Sawyer get a chance, I just think with our O-Line not being very good, we need someone who can roll out and throw better on the run.

Not sure we see many changes, it's not the Pirates way, obviously we didn't adjust the second half at all. Dang being up 13-0 then betting blown out 31-3 hurts!!!

My thoughts exactly. And yes Give me a look at Sawyer. Will went into a shell last night and became Mr Checkdown. You don't beat the big boys by being scared. Gotta let her rip, and let the chips fall where they may

[Schultzy]

It?s because we didn?t win a game the other team was trying to lose to us.
For 3 quarters LSU was trying to lose that game and then we gave them life and the old LSU came back and throat stomped us.
It?s one thing to lose a game, it?s another to lose a game that was yours for the taking.

This^^

But I expected a 6 win season going in so I’m not as crushed as some of you seem to be.

[Homedawg]

This^^

But I expected a 6 win season going in so I’m not as crushed as some of you seem to be.

The people thinking we were winning 10 had maroon glasses on. That was never ever in play.

[BrunswickDawg]

I think a whole lot of people have convinced themselves that LSU is a train wreck. When it boils down to it, LSU will always have a ton of athletes - especially at WR, DB and DE - and athletes well coached (and for all his faults, Brian Kelly has proven over time that he is a good coach) can take over games and win. And frankly, we don't have the athletes that LSU does. We have some good ones - but not in the volume of LSU. Everyone saw last night why we needed Nabors. Everyone saw last night how a guy like BJ Ojulari can take over a game.

LSU isn't a 12 win team - but they aren't a 6-6 team either.

[Cowbell]

The people thinking we were winning 10 had maroon glasses on. That was never ever in play.

It's fact

[Cowbell]

My thoughts exactly. And yes Give me a look at Sawyer. Will went into a shell last night and became Mr Checkdown. You don't beat the big boys by being scared. Gotta let her rip, and let the chips fall where they may

I agree with this as well. I love Will. But if sawyer knows the offense, you gotta see what he can do. Maybe he's over-hyped and will gets a fire lit under him to move around more. I see it like bringing tua in for that championship game.

[msstate7]

Is Sawyer even close to will? I know last year, word was Sawyer was horribly behind

[IMissJack]

The problem is we have been told year 3 is the year for 3 years. I am now from MO, show me. And I will say again, our entire athletic dept. need a good sports psychologist to help approaching big situations. Usually we melt in those moments.

[Quaoarsking]

The problem is we have been told year 3 is the year for 3 years. I am now from MO, show me. And I will say again, our entire athletic dept. need a good sports psychologist to help approaching big situations. Usually we melt in those moments.

I think this is kind of a myth ... I mean, in the offseason between 2020 and 2021 we all talked about how great "Year 2" is. Year 3 at Washington State was 3-9 for Leach. Maybe in a few month, it will all be about "Year 4."

Remember, I'm the biggest Leach fanboy here, so this isn't an attack. I just think there is an extremely small sample size to be making observations about what happens in what year, and we just shouldn't bother.

[Activated Alpha]

I wonder if other schools experience the same feelings we have. Like does Kentucky ever say, "I wonder if we will find a way to Kentucky this game tonight?" Like we always seem to go into games with that monkey on our shoulder where something strange happens or we can never get in sync and we lose those WTF games

[Quaoarsking]

I wonder if other schools experience the same feelings we have. Like does Kentucky ever say, "I wonder if we will find a way to Kentucky this game tonight?" Like we always seem to go into games with that monkey on our shoulder where something strange happens or we can never get in sync and we lose those WTF games

I know their fans were crushed after our game with them last year. It cost them a NY6 bowl and also their very outside shot at making the CFP. It was one of those games where they kinda expected to win and felt like they were the better team, but new that their program had a knack for not winning those games. Pretty good parallel to last night really.

[TrapGame]

This offense needs a good dual threat QB. Leach is running the ball more but it needs another dimension with a dual threat guy.

I hope Leach gives Sawyer the entire second half of the BG game to find out what he can do.

Sawyer has supposedly really gotten good over spring and fall. It's time to see it.

Dropped passes from his receivers aside Will made some really bad decisions last night. The stage was just too big for him.

[IMissJack]

I think this is kind of a myth ... I mean, in the offseason between 2020 and 2021 we all talked about how great "Year 2" is. Year 3 at Washington State was 3-9 for Leach. Maybe in a few month, it will all be about "Year 4."

Remember, I'm the biggest Leach fanboy here, so this isn't an attack. I just think there is an extremely small sample size to be making observations about what happens in what year, and we just shouldn't bother.

Please review posts from this board and from talking heads for last 3 years. Not attacking you either, just stating facts.

[Lord McBuckethead]

My thoughts exactly. And yes Give me a look at Sawyer. Will went into a shell last night and became Mr Checkdown. You don't beat the big boys by being scared. Gotta let her rip, and let the chips fall where they may

Bingo. There it is. When the game is on the line, it seemed like he didn?t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage for 2.5 quarters. And when he did, the ball was off target. I love Will, but he is not the guy that is going to get us to Atlanta. So let?s give the next guy a look. This season is over in the first SEC game. Well it?s not, but Atlanta is off the table. So, maybe if we play Sawyer now, next year we can do something.

That?s right, I am suggesting we move on from a guy that could throw 4500 yards this year. Why? Cause Winning matters more, and you have to get 350-400 of those 4500 yards in games that matter.

[DEDawg]

For me it?s that I hated the Leach hire so much when it happened but I love this school and wanted to see it work so I can eat crow. Same thing with Will it?s like I knew he wouldn?t ever take us where we need to be but slowly let myself buy into it when he puts up 400 yards against OOC opponents. So I guess this was just a reality check even tho In the back of my mind I always knew it wouldn?t work

[Cowbell]

I wonder if other schools experience the same feelings we have. Like does Kentucky ever say, "I wonder if we will find a way to Kentucky this game tonight?" Like we always seem to go into games with that monkey on our shoulder where something strange happens or we can never get in sync and we lose those WTF games

Arkansas fans are worse than us and for good reason

[Goldendawg]

Leach third year and team is experienced. experienced does not automatically mean better, sometimes just a year older. All these years of being ranked 12 of 14 in the SEC has caught up with us. No time with NIL and portal to succeed with a developmental program anymore. Our offense is playing 10 vs 11 with a QB that can't run and WR's are soft against tough DB's, LB's slow, OT's first year starting there and one not so great at G last year. I could go on. 5-7 tops and going to be a very long year. Hope I am wrong.

[redstickdawg]

Is Sawyer even close to will? I know last year, word was Sawyer was horribly behind

If that's the case that should be a wake up call about leach, he doesn't recruit nor develop, not a good combination and becoming more evident with every embarrassment. Sawyer needs to be our starter at least if shows that he has guts and doesn't play scared. The team fed off of the quitters / scared attitude that was displayed from the fumbled punt to the qb that was playing afraid.

[Mjoelner34]

This offense needs a good dual threat QB.

Agree. We don't necessarily need someone with Dak's or Fitz's running ability but a QB with Will's accuracy and just a little escapability in the backfield along with the ability to pick up 5 or 10 yards when flushed would make us dangerous as hell. In the past my friends and I would say things like "Can you imagine if Tyler Russell could run or if Fitz was a better passer?" then we'd remind ourselves that if those things were true, they probably wouldn't be playing here. Maybe Leach can attract QBs that can do just that. I'm hoping Parson is one of them.

[Goldendawg]

No one except maybe TN State looks at their schedule and fears playing us. Most circle it as a win. In the past, we were a physical, tough team to play even when we lost. We are now soft and one dimensional on O, slow on D, and very poor on ST. We are a bad team.

[redstickdawg]

No one except maybe TN State looks at their schedule and fears playing us. Most circle it as a win. In the past, we were a physical, tough team to play even when we lost. We are now soft and one dimensional on O, slow on D, and very poor on ST. We are a bad team.

1000% agree and the sad part is that we are getting worse and worse every week and only those with maroon welding goggles can't see it.

Football requires physical domination and that is not how this team is built, physically and especially mentally. This is a great scheme for 7 on 7 with no contact, but we don't have the players or the attitude to be competitive in the SEC or anywhere besides the Pac 12.

[Goldendawg]

I know their fans were crushed after our game with them last year. It cost them a NY6 bowl and also their very outside shot at making the CFP. It was one of those games where they kinda expected to win and felt like they were the better team, but new that their program had a knack for not winning those games. Pretty good parallel to last night really.

We lost to them at State last year.

[Quaoarsking]

We lost to them at State last year.

We beat Kentucky 31-17 last year in what was probably Rogers's best game of his career

[HancockCountyDog]

We have a bunch of seniors that won?t be here next here.

This is our year. We are/were better than LSU.

Their QB could not pass the ball most of the game. I don?t want to repeat what has been said, but we simply got outcoached.

[Activated Alpha]

We lost to them at State last year.

Not to Kentucky we didn?t. LSU yes but I referenced Ky in my post

[NCDawg]

It?s because we didn?t win a game the other team was trying to lose to us.
For 3 quarters LSU was trying to lose that game and then we gave them life and the old LSU came back and throat stomped us.
It?s one thing to lose a game, it?s another to lose a game that was yours for the taking.

I think after 3 quarters when it got dark and the crowd was inebriated and got really loud, we got nervous and lost focus. LSU got fired up and our W/Rs dropped some easy passses that could have turned the game in our favor.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Bingo. There it is. When the game is on the line, it seemed like he didn?t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage for 2.5 quarters. And when he did, the ball was off target. I love Will, but he is not the guy that is going to get us to Atlanta. So let?s give the next guy a look. This season is over in the first SEC game. Well it?s not, but Atlanta is off the table. So, maybe if we play Sawyer now, next year we can do something.

That?s right, I am suggesting we move on from a guy that could throw 4500 yards this year. Why? Cause Winning matters more, and you have to get 350-400 of those 4500 yards in games that matter.

If winning matters more, then you need to allow him to build the program right. Not throw players to the wolves for the sake of emotions. You play the person that has more experience while grooming the future and developing the OL through recruiting. Our brightest years was never going to be in his first years. It's going to be when he builds the under classes and they have a steady rotation of ready guys.

[TrapGame]

I think after 3 quarters when it got dark and the crowd was inebriated and got really loud, we got nervous and lost focus. LSU got fired up and our W/Rs dropped some easy passses that could have turned the game in our favor.

Rara dropped a touchdown pass b/c he knew he had it and didn't secure the ball before turning up field. Stupid mistake that could have made it 23-7.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Leach third year and team is experienced. experienced does not automatically mean better, sometimes just a year older. All these years of being ranked 12 of 14 in the SEC has caught up with us. No time with NIL and portal to succeed with a developmental program anymore. Our offense is playing 10 vs 11 with a QB that can't run and WR's are soft against tough DB's, LB's slow, OT's first year starting there and one not so great at G last year. I could go on. 5-7 tops and going to be a very long year. Hope I am wrong.

Good post. I thought the receivers looked really soft especially Duck and Harvey can?t get open. Wills total lack of mobility makes an already shaken O line struggle even more. A third year q b can?t be checking into runs on fourth and one with 8 in the box.

We need Will to start the rest of the year but it?s time to open up the about competition

[WSOPdawg]

I think a lot of our fans convinced ourselves that this would be a special season, and now it's probably not going to be. It could still be an 8-4 type year, but we're not going 10-2 or anything like that anymore.


And I think that's also part of the apathy the fan base is starting to exhibit. 8 wins gets you what -- another trip to the Belk or Music City Bowl? We've been there, done that for 12 years straight. We crave "more" and for the first time in a long time, the national sports media was on our side against LSU and we crapped the bed on what could've been a push for a Jan 1 bowl.

We are so Mississippi State... *** sigh ***

[Offshore Dawg]

LSU and a lot more of the SEC schools have more talent than State does. No more complicated than that.

[WhiskeyPirate]

LSU and a lot more of the SEC schools have more talent than State does. No more complicated than that.

This is why I picked the game as a toss up. LSU has the eighth most talented roster and are playing at home. We have the 29th most talented roster and are on the road.

Against FSU you could see the speed and athleticism they have in their front seven.

They looked bad their first game but came together pretty well in their third game.

[Todd4State]

We have a bunch of seniors that won?t be here next here.
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This is our year. We are/were better than LSU.

Their QB could not pass the ball most of the game. I don?t want to repeat what has been said, but we simply got outcoached.

A lot of those guys have COVID years to use and I have a feeling a lot of them are coming back.

[FISHDAWG]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.



What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

Because people believed the media and C34 .... funny how our fans believe the media when they are promoting us but those same folks call the same media idiots that don't do their homework when they predict us in the cellar..... a lot of us suspected this but wanted to believe- it's still LSU and upper tier SEC competition.... never forget that no matter what you read

[NCDawg]

If winning matters more, then you need to allow him to build the program right. Not throw players to the wolves for the sake of emotions. You play the person that has more experience while grooming the future and developing the OL through recruiting. Our brightest years was never going to be in his first years. It's going to be when he builds the under classes and they have a steady rotation of ready guys.

Agree, that's the way it should be done; or, you can do like Portal U in Oxford- get portal transfers to comprise your team

[Todd4State]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.

What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

It's MSU fans being MSU fans. We played bad and lost a game we shouldn't. But instead of flushing it some of them go off the deep end and just want to blow everything up again. MSU fans always want the complete opposite of whatever it is that MSU is doing. But one loss and "see I told y'all that wouldn't work".

I was maybe one of the few who said that if we turn the ball over we could lose. And that's what happened. We had the lead. Our sixth year senior muffed a punt and we lost momentum and never regained it. We had the lead up until that point. Solution? Don't let Austin catch punts again or put him in a critical situation again.

I've seen us lose to crappy LSU teams before that are worse than this and then go on to have a great season. 1994 and 1998 immediately come to mind. Even when we beat them in 2014 it was basically only by one score and 2020 was by like 10 points I think.

We'll see what happens going forward. In the meantime I'm trying to ignore most of our fans.

[Cooterpoot]

Still seeing the same inconsistency, total lack of recruiting, shitty portal management, and bad player management we've seen for a couple years. A veteran team shitting the bed is pretty damn telling.
We've been dealing with 4+ years of incompetence and an additional 3 or 4 years of don't give a shit from coaches. State fans are tired of John Cohen sucking and the football program being neglected, while we cater to baseball.
There's going to be a reconning at some point.

[WhiskeyPirate]

It's MSU fans being MSU fans. We played bad and lost a game we shouldn't. But instead of flushing it some of them go off the deep end and just want to blow everything up again. MSU fans always want the complete opposite of whatever it is that MSU is doing. But one loss and "see I told y'all that wouldn't work".

I was maybe one of the few who said that if we turn the ball over we could lose. And that's what happened. We had the lead. Our sixth year senior muffed a punt and we lost momentum and never regained it. We had the lead up until that point. Solution? Don't let Austin catch punts again or put him in a critical situation again.

I've seen us lose to crappy LSU teams before that are worse than this and then go on to have a great season. 1994 and 1998 immediately come to mind. Even when we beat them in 2014 it was basically only by one score and 2020 was by like 10 points I think.

We'll see what happens going forward. In the meantime I'm trying to ignore most of our fans.

I would take away Williams job as punt returner and keep Thomas back there. Austin is there for one reason to fair catch. If loses you a game by muffing on the ten yard line then just let Thomas return every punt the rest of the year.....he’s going to give you good returns and will break a couple.

[Cooterpoot]

Agree, that's the way it should be done; or, you can do like Portal U in Oxford- get portal transfers to comprise your team

Ole Miss is running circles around our asses. You guys can make fun of Kiffin, but he's winning. This idea that you build your team the right way is in the past. You go get every good player in the portal and send the bad players packing. It's a business now. It's not the college ball of 1978.

[BulldogBear]

I think a whole lot of people have convinced themselves that LSU is a train wreck. When it boils down to it, LSU will always have a ton of athletes - especially at WR, DB and DE - and athletes well coached (and for all his faults, Brian Kelly has proven over time that he is a good coach) can take over games and win. And frankly, we don't have the athletes that LSU does. We have some good ones - but not in the volume of LSU. Everyone saw last night why we needed Nabors. Everyone saw last night how a guy like BJ Ojulari can take over a game.

LSU isn't a 12 win team - but they aren't a 6-6 team either.
It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.


It's fact
Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.

[Goldendawg]

We beat Kentucky 31-17 last year in what was probably Rogers's best game of his career

My bad, thought you talking about LSU.

[WhiskeyPirate]

It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.


Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.
What you are saying is true but it also varies in degrees or shades........you don’t need Michael Vick or even jalen hurts. You have Will Rogers lack of mobility on one end and J Daniels on the other end of the spectrum. A guy who can avoid a sack, roll out, throw on the run and run ten yards for a first down could be Robertson or Locke and would take a ton of pressure off the O line.

Parsons would be ideal but just having the athleticism of Minshew would be a huge difference. Quick release and a cannon for an arm are also skills that offset lack of mobility. It makes it really tough when you have neither.

[parabrave]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.

What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

Because LSU isn't good. We let a bad version of Relf beat us. We have a coach who will not adapt to game time situations while their coach did. Hey your line is getting beat by 3 guys do you adapt? Nope. LSU did, rolled their QB out. We run for 80 yds in the 1st half then we stopped. We have no deep threat even if we did WR wouldn't have time to get them the ball.

[Cowbell]

Because LSU isn't good. We let a bad version of Relf beat us. We have a coach who will not adapt to game time situations while their coach did. Hey your line is getting beat by 3 guys do you adapt? Nope. LSU did, rolled their QB out. We run for 80 yds in the 1st half then we stopped. We have no deep threat even if we did WR wouldn't have time to get them the ball.

That dude is better than Relf was

[Todd4State]

I would take away Williams job as punt returner and keep Thomas back there. Austin is there for one reason to fair catch. If loses you a game by muffing on the ten yard line then just let Thomas return every punt the rest of the year.....he’s going to give you good returns and will break a couple.

Agree about Xavion.

[Todd4State]

It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.


Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.

We have QB's that are more physically gifted than Will on campus right now. But the thing is- they have to be able to pass the ball and run the offense and lead the team.

Development takes time.

[NCDawg]

That dude is better than Relf was

Matter of opinion. I don't think so.

[civildawg]

My reason is because LSU is not good and I was made to believe that will had gotten past his scared to throw it downfield mode. He played exactly like he did last year against any defense with a pulse

[PikeDawg15]

Ole Miss is running circles around our asses. You guys can make fun of Kiffin, but he's winning. This idea that you build your team the right way is in the past. You go get every good player in the portal and send the bad players packing. It's a business now. It's not the college ball of 1978.

Im in your camp now... I still think Leach's system can work but watching the game last night, you have to have a good mobile QB to beat a team like LSU. Your not gonna swing pass your way to victory against 5 stars.

[PikeDawg15]

What you are saying is true but it also varies in degrees or shades........you don’t need Michael Vick or even jalen hurts. You have Will Rogers lack of mobility on one end and J Daniels on the other end of the spectrum. A guy who can avoid a sack, roll out, throw on the run and run ten yards for a first down could be Robertson or Locke and would take a ton of pressure off the O line.

Parsons would be ideal but just having the athleticism of Minshew would be a huge difference. Quick release and a cannon for an arm are also skills that offset lack of mobility. It makes it really tough when you have neither.

If 2018 Gardner Minshew played last night , we would have won by 3 touchdowns. Ill die on that hill. Will's immobility kills us .

[WhiskeyPirate]

If 2018 Gardner Minshew played last night , we would have won by 3 touchdowns. Ill die on that hill. Will's immobility kills us .

Absolutely

Minshew was 220 and had real quick feet, very tough to sack. He can squat a hell of a lot for a q b, just a different player than Will. He runs for first downs in the nfl frequently if they give it to him.

[Lord McBuckethead]

How hard is it to run block? you know the play. You know what you are supposed to do. The ball is snapped and it looks as if our OL believe pass blocking on a run play is good enough.
These guys need an attitude adjustment.
And what was with Pace stepping on folks? It happened more than once, stepped right in the middle of the LSU's guys back.

[CoachT14]

We have QB's that are more physically gifted than Will on campus right now. But the thing is- they have to be able to pass the ball and run the offense and lead the team.

Development takes time.

Because Will did such a great job last night
- lead the team by acting like a scared little puppy.
- refused to run when he could (see above).
- refused to check out of inside zone run with LSU stacking 8 in the box.
- refused to take shots down the field.

Is our OL great? No. Did we have a few key drops? Yes. Some of those issues get fixed with a QB that can be a little more mobile.

But if Will was the leader some of you and even Will himself make him out to be, why is Mike Leach the one chewing out the offense and not your ?QB1??

[ScooterDog]

They don?t know how to run block I guess. I remember when Emery Ballard got here he said they couldn?t run block because they hadn?t been taught that. We must not be repping that in practice enough. Makes sense to me.

[lastmajordog]

Cav, the reason it seems worse for me is in the back of my head I see 3 straight loses to that other school and much less talent next year and the coming years.......of course I’m still mad at DM for throwing away so many games to that school.

[Coach34]

LSU and a lot more of the SEC schools have more talent than State does. No more complicated than that.

Teams with more talent lose every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

[Coach34]

A lot of those guys have COVID years to use and I have a feeling a lot of them are coming back.

Nope. Alot of those guys are going to try to make an NFL roster, go to Canada, or make an XFL or USFL roster. These guys dont want a 6th year of college. Most of them didnt want a 4th year

[Coach34]

Ole Miss is running circles around our asses. You guys can make fun of Kiffin, but he's winning. This idea that you build your team the right way is in the past. You go get every good player in the portal and send the bad players packing. It's a business now. It's not the college ball of 1978.

Cant be said any better than this. Anybody laughing at Lame at this point is stupid.

Lame is 18-8 at Mississippi
Pirate is 13-14

They made the better hire

[Todd4State]

Nope. Alot of those guys are going to try to make an NFL roster, go to Canada, or make an XFL or USFL roster. These guys dont want a 6th year of college. Most of them didnt want a 4th year

That would go against the "norm" of what we're seeing around college football. Typically they're leaving if they are a legit NFL prospect.